Labour suspends pit village councillor over Thatcher "bombing'' comment row (From The Northern Echo)
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Labour suspends pit village councillor over Thatcher "bombing'' comment row
3:51pm Friday 17th February 2012 in News
THE Labour Party has suspended a North-East councillor for "liking’’ a website comment that the IRA should blow up the Tory conference Florence Anderson, Sunderland City Council’s Community and Safer City Scrutiny Committee, led the Eppleton Area Miners’ Support Group at Hetton-le-Hole during the bitter 1984-85 Miners’ Strike.
Coun Anderson, who represents Hetton and was Sunderland’s first woman deputy leader in May 2008, signalled her support in July 2010 for the message in the Facebook Group "Margaret Thatcher doesn’t have to be dead before we give her a funeral".
She was discovered by Conservative-leaning bloggers to be among 26 people who indicated they liked the message that the next party conference should be targeted by the Irish terrorists.
A spokesman for the Labour Party said: "These comments are disgraceful. Florence Anderson has been suspended from the Labour Party with immediate effect in light of this information."
Coun Anderson, who could not be contacted for comment, has previously said that she hopes the 86-year-old former Tory leader Margaret Thatcher "burns in hell’’.
One of the organisers of the Durham Miners Gala said that Lady Thatcher still aroused strong feelings because of the effect of her policies on the North-East, particularly its mining communities.
Dave Hopper, general secretary of the Durham Miners Association, said: "Bombing is a little bit severe and I wouldn’t go around agitating for that.
"There wouldn’t be much sympathy if things like that did happen.
"Thatcher did more damage to our communities than the Germans did to us from 1939 to 1945.
"Certainly there will be a lot of people who will be very, very pleased to see the demise of people like Thatcher.
"I think there are very, very strong feelings because of what the woman did.
"When you look at our communities and all the dereliction and unemployment, there is no future and no hope for our youngsters."
"Bombing ios a bit severe but I’ll not be shedding any tears for the demise of any Tories."
Comments(76)
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MSG
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4:29pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Where are all your pits ?? Ha Ha Ha.
billblackwood
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4:34pm Fri 17 Feb 12
linzer
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5:00pm Fri 17 Feb 12
This whole sorry story which is repeated amongst close communities in other parts of Britain needs addressing by those in the communities. Why remain and give your children a life of no future and no hope.
The benefits culture which replaced a culture of hard working men has benefitted no one.
pazman
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5:20pm Fri 17 Feb 12
1: The death of Whitney Houston
2: Arthritis
3: El Nino
4: JLS
5: Cannon & Ball
6: The Austin Allegro
7: Semolina
8: Anything by Barbara Cartland
9: Shaving rash
10: The M6 Toll Road
Dave Hopper - grow up and move on chap. I can assure you, the malaise that many Northern towns find themselves in are as much to do with the benefits culture of your beloved Labour Gvt as they are to do with the miners strikes.
MSG
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5:30pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Also i am a Unionist and despise the IRA, so my comments are to counteract the low life councillors and are not sick.
All eyes now on the Labour Party to see if they kick this scum out of their party!!
linzer
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5:31pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Are there any miners in Durham? If not, who is paying his salary?
BarrySy
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5:31pm Fri 17 Feb 12
As for Dave Hopper, perhaps someone in a responsible position should think before saying "Thatcher did more damage to our communities than the Germans did to us from 1939 to 1945". I would suggest that more people were killed from the communities in those times than under Thatcher.
I despair that he and Florence Anderson are among those who should represent the left and are capable of such sloppy thinking, bile and ignorance. It is embarrassing - raise your game.
linzer
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5:33pm Fri 17 Feb 12
is thesunabovetheyardarm
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5:34pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Mooochas
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5:49pm Fri 17 Feb 12
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This barefaced hatred of the working man and the unpopular introduction of poll tax will forever be her legacy – yet to those wearing ‘blue blinkers’ she could do no wrong. Odd that. One would hope that the sinking of the General Belgrano to save her political career with the loss of about 500 sailors will haunt her to her grave, but having said that, I doubt she has any trouble sleeping in her ivory towers.
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Despite all the austerity, deficits in the UK remain high due to Cameron’s contractionary policy being just that – contractionary. No investment = no return. The writing is on the wall for Cameron, which may explain his wish to see history repeat itself with the dispatch of HMS Dauntless to the Falklands… Shameful.
GeordieB
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6:05pm Fri 17 Feb 12
The Durham coal field has been closed for generations. Giving the people whinging about them the oxygen of publicity just holds the county back.
A much better angle would have been "Cllr Risks Arrest under Terrorism Act 2006 for glorification of terrorism".
That could have generated a more intelligent discussion about free speech.
Sadly, an opportunity lost.
Back to the lowest command denominator with opiate for the masses.
Eric1957
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8:10pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Then in a stroke of pure Genius hired Mcgregor, so that once she kicked the miners union to oblivion and destroyed our coal mining industry. We could pay inflated prices for coal from Poland.
The Labour Party should have given this councillor a bloody medal.
Dailo300
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9:19pm Fri 17 Feb 12
tomtopper
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11:39pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Mooochas wrote:What a complete plonker you are.. and a typical example of the hypocritical left...
It's a pity that there remain simpletons unsympathetic toward, or perhaps just ignorant of, the damage inflicted on our region by Thatcher's reckless policies which shamelessly put money before people. Her insatiable appetite for appeasing the wealthy and her lack of empathy for the poor were probably her most defining characteristics.
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This barefaced hatred of the working man and the unpopular introduction of poll tax will forever be her legacy – yet to those wearing ‘blue blinkers’ she could do no wrong. Odd that. One would hope that the sinking of the General Belgrano to save her political career with the loss of about 500 sailors will haunt her to her grave, but having said that, I doubt she has any trouble sleeping in her ivory towers.
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Despite all the austerity, deficits in the UK remain high due to Cameron’s contractionary policy being just that – contractionary. No investment = no return. The writing is on the wall for Cameron, which may explain his wish to see history repeat itself with the dispatch of HMS Dauntless to the Falklands… Shameful.
It was Scargills attempt to bring down the goverment...his own agenda, and he used miners to forward that.. The man who went into the strike with a small house and a big union and came out with a small union and a big house..
Thatch did more to mobilise WORKING people than anyone, she give people a chance to buy thier houses and become property owners..making a massive profit in most cases on thier properties..A scheme which was badly mis-managed in later years.. In here eyes, if you were prepared to put the effort in and work hard, you would be rewarded...
The poll tax was a fair system and we'd be paying a lot less than council tax now if we were still under it... A person creates rubbish, requires the police and benefits from street lighting, the same as a house owner..
The Belgrano is the biggest laugh of all..An argentine warship/... err we were at war with Argentina... The 200 mile exclusion zone applied to maritime shipping, not to the Argentine military... The Belgrano was moving into a pincer movement to attack one of our carriers...HMS conquerer had been under for almost a fortnight.. they knew what was happening..she was moving to shallow waters before deviating to eliminate any sub threat...and they've even admitted it themselves... Ridiculous un-informed socialist tory-bashing crap.. Ah the Britain, or should I say England haters come out the woodwork on this one... Thier real views are much like that currently disgraced Sunderland Labour councillor.. The same 'tolerant ' people are most intolerant of opposing views and would even party in someone's demise!... Shows how sympaathetic they really are...
Dean M
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11:48pm Fri 17 Feb 12
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To accuse her of 'barefaced hatred of the working man' is just ridiculous left-wing claptrap. And the 500 sailors on the Belgrano were enemy forces; no mention of the British forces on HMS Sheffield bombed by the Argentinian dictatorship? No one voted for them, but Thatcher was elected 3 times by the British people.
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Wishing Mrs Thatcher dead is just pathetic, typical Labour cr@p. And we've had enough of that in recent years.
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For certain Labour luvvies to constantly end their posts with 'shameful' fools no-one, and is just shameful.
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9:44am Sat 18 Feb 12
I take it the councillor buys his coal bag every week. He gets the horse drawn tram to coucil offices as well I bet.
Yeah I would love to live in a community that my dad, grandad, great grandad all went down the pit and I was soon to join in those footsteps.
Its that all you can think for the next generation that they have to follow the previous one?
Its not about having a go at the workingman or coalminers. I just think there should be other career options to people.
The market for coal went downhill with the introduction of GCH. You cant turnback the clock.
st-george1
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10:38am Sat 18 Feb 12
II wonder, is this Labour councillor really speaking for the mining communities of Hetton and Sunderland OR is she just a dangerous bigot AND IRA sympathiser trying to divert concerns about the Labour Party, while she supports the death sentence of Mrs Thatcher and today’s Conservative political colleagues …
Councillor Anderson, could not be contacted for comment, but let's not forget she has previously said that she hopes the 86-year-old former Tory leader Margaret Thatcher "burns in hell’’ … how murderous and undemocratic, how un-British !
I didn’t support the miners BUT I would NOT tell the world they or their leaders should be burned in hell… there is enough hatred in the world and here in the UK.
SUSPENSION IS NOT ENOUGH FOR SUCH A BIGOTED, FULL OF HATE WOMAN … Mr Eddie Milliband must demand A public investigtion and A LIFE-TIME BAN FROM POLITICS for what she said and truly believes and for SHAMING the people of HETTON AND SUNDERLAND who voted for her.
mr pickett
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11:53am Sat 18 Feb 12
coal is not just used to heat homes!!
there are 14 coal fired power stations in the uk. A 500mw coal fired power station uses over 3,000 tonnes of coal a day.
Gt britain imported 112million tonnes of coal in 2011.
Experts have estimated a reserve of millions of tonnes of coal still unmined in the uk.
500 million in northumberland and durham alone.
David Lacey
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2:04pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Coal imports to the UK were 26.5 million tonnes, a large decrease (-30.5%) on the previous year's amount. Indigenous production increased by 1.6% to 18.2 million tonnes. (Over the year, 7.2 million tonnes was lifted from stock.)
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So your figures are wildly inaccurate.
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The sources of this coal are numerous and as I'm sure you know the mineral is traded internationally and on the futures market. Ships discharge their cargoes in Tyne Dock and I see the trains hauling coal south to the three big Yorkshire generating stations every day.
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However what we must accept is the fact that most of this coal comes from large open cast or surface mining sites and is not deep mined (as it would be if sourced in the UK). The latter is far more expensive and therefore unmarketable at today's prices. In future all this may change of course.
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With regard to MSG's wishes to see the return of steam engines and open fires, I can only assume that he/she has temporarily lost control of his/her mental capabilities.
David Lacey
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2:07pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Coal imports to the UK were 26.5 million tonnes, a large decrease (-30.5%) on the previous year's amount. Indigenous production increased by 1.6% to 18.2 million tonnes. (Over the year, 7.2 million tonnes was lifted from stock.)
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So your figures are wildly inaccurate.
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The sources of this coal are numerous and as I'm sure you know the mineral is traded internationally and on the futures market. Ships discharge their cargoes in Tyne Dock and I see the trains hauling coal south to the three big Yorkshire generating stations every day.
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However what we must accept is the fact that most of this coal comes from large open cast or surface mining sites and is not deep mined (as it would be if sourced in the UK). The latter is far more expensive and therefore unmarketable at today's prices. In future all this may change of course.
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With regard to MSG's wishes to see the return of steam engines and open fires, I can only assume that he/she has temporarily lost control of his/her mental capabilities.
Epichall
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2:43pm Sat 18 Feb 12
I seem to recall very recently a case where a person in the UK posted a comment somewhere that he would "blow up the airport if he missed his plane" - didn't he receive a prison sentence even if there was no intent in his comment?
Why should all these white-skinned "Christians" in the North-East of England not receive the same treatment? Or is it that hypocrisy rules in the UNited KIngdom these days?
I think we should be told.
MSG
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4:42pm Sat 18 Feb 12
I dont wish to see the return of steam engines, but i don't mind coal fires when the scottish gas runs out!!.
My point is that the IRA supporting Durham Pit Villagers fronted by councillor Florance Anderson let the south Durham / Darlington Railway workers down in the late 1960's.
Has the Hetton scumbag neen expelled from the Labour Party yet ????
Mooochas
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6:46pm Sat 18 Feb 12
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Negotiation skills would have been useful with the Falklands Conflict. Our boys did a fantastic job and the whole nation was very proud of them, but Thatcher wasn’t interested in anything other than glory headlines to improve her dwindling popularity with the British public. She sent our boys there spoiling for a battle having 9 days earlier modified the rules of engagement to include vessels outside of the Exclusion Zone.
A full 12 hours prior to the sinking of the Belgrano the British Government received details of a Peruvian Peace Plan. A plan that would subsequently approved by the UK Government in full, albeit way too late to prevent an all-out conflict.
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Call it poor judgement or call it poor leadership, but many soldiers lost their lives. The war headlines rallied a patriotic nation and on the back of it, Thatcher won a 2nd term of office – a term paid for in British and Argentinian soldier’s blood. Shameful.
Mooochas
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7:03pm Sat 18 Feb 12
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Unable to admit she’d got it wrong she ignorantly pressed on, adding a further 6yrs to Mandela’s imprisonment. Shameful.
Dean M
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9:28pm Sat 18 Feb 12
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More left wing claptrap. Shameful.
Dean M
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9:36pm Sat 18 Feb 12
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But the left-wingers will even try and blame her for this. The death of Whitney Houston, too?
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Shameful.
linzer
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10:19pm Sat 18 Feb 12
In summary, the former mining communitees remain just that. There is still no hope for the young.
What now.
Dominic McEwan
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7:20am Sun 19 Feb 12
spragger
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8:58am Sun 19 Feb 12
They would have no compunction in murdering people who did not subscribe to their limited view of life & democracy.
Never forget that Labour will tell you what to do, give you no choice & control your life.
darlo oily
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11:38am Sun 19 Feb 12
David Lacey
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3:03pm Sun 19 Feb 12
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You must try harder.
linzer
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3:12pm Sun 19 Feb 12
It is also probably true that more South Durham pits were closed before Mrs Thatcher became Prime Minister than after as ia suggested by darlo oily.
I don't recall hearing of a public outcry when the Iron Ore Mines of North Yorkshire were closed due to similar economic realities during the sixties and yet these people are not still calling themselves "a mining community" and don't need an organiser of the N. Yorks Miners Gala to cheerlead them in their perpetual self pity.
MrMorden
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3:19pm Sun 19 Feb 12
The Belgrano was not returning to port, an interview with their captain a few years ago debunked that myth.
The plan was he was to attack from the south with his 2 destroyer escorts whilst the Argentine carrier fleet attacked from the north.
Peruvian peace plan, only Chile was the only country in South America supported us. So work out which side Peru would have favoured...
Mooochas
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6:56pm Sun 19 Feb 12
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Nobody is suggesting that Falklands shouldn't have be freed from occupation, but unless you only read ‘red top’ newspapers or are sporting ‘blue blinkers’ you should better know the facts - the Belgrano Inquiry is a good place to start. War was never declared by either country and the Peruvian Peace Plan was actually accept in full by Thatcher however, she denies seeing it before sinking the Belgrano which escalated the conflict that cost hundreds of British and Argentinian soldiers their lives. Shameful.
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At least 12 hours after the British Government had acknowledged receipt of the Peruvian Peace Plan there was no rescinding of the order to sink Argentine shipping outside the Exclusion Zone.
Defence correspondent David Fairhall: ‘The decision to let HMS Conqueror loose on the Belgrano was made by the Prime minister and members of her inner war cabinet, who were lunching at Chequers’
Sundstein
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7:50pm Sun 19 Feb 12
If he were around today he would probably extend this to Facebook groups - whether or not you like the content, these groups have been sanctioned by Facebook, they're legal. Its called free speech. I'm sure if you were to put in the effort you'd be able to dig up a whole host of loony right wing Facebook groups, probably complete with questionable quotes from Tory councillors .
Perhaps what worries me most about this story is that the events took place in JULY 2010 !
I've no idea if there is an official definition of when news becomes history, but anything over 18 months old is not, in my opinion, news. Come to think of, its not even a story - "person who is a legal member of a legal Facebook group indicates she likes a comment". Big deal !
No-one appeared to notice - or care - at the time, and we're told that the subject was resurrected "by Conservative-leaning bloggers " - honestly, are the Tories so desperate they have trawl back through 18-months of Facebook to find something , anything to try to create a story ?
If this was the best they could find...
More to the point, is this part of some kind of Tory Party endorsed policy ? Target certain opposition figures and try to dig up some dirt ?
Now there's a proper story for you - anyone at the Echo going to follow that up ?
Freedom of speech - Cllr Anderson can belong to whatever Facebook groups she likes. The fact that she is a councillor is imaterial.
Mooochas
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7:51pm Sun 19 Feb 12
"Up to the point when the Belgrano was sunk the mood within the Alacrity had been that a massive naval presence plus the diplomatic effort would be successful and the Argentinians would come to some agreement over the islands with the British diplomats involved. After the Belgrano I can honestly say that everyone seemed to feel that the fighting had begun and all diplomatic negotiations, along with the Belgrano, had been sunk…"
Dean M
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9:11pm Sun 19 Feb 12
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The US Secretary of State – Haig – was flying back and forth to Argentina with peace proposals well before the conflict escalated. Argentina rejected them, and this was well before the sinking of the Belgrano. Mooochas seems fond of quoting the ‘Peruvian Peace Plan’. After the British War Cabinet approved this plan, there was a slight problem – Argentina rejected it! And Argentina declared the whole of the South Atlantic a war zone – but the Labour lefties ignore this when it comes to the Belgrano.
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Look at the bigger picture. Argentina was a military dictatorship that was close to being overthrown. Their economy was close to collapse and the only card the Junta could play to get the Argentine people behind them was to invade the Falklands. They rejected peace proposals constantly (including from the UK) and only came round when they knew the war was lost.
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And Mr Morden and others are not ‘missing the point’ when they criticise this left-wing claptrap from Mooochas. The comment that the loss of about 500 Argentine forces (just over 300 is the true figure, but let the lefties exaggerate that too) from the Belgrano should haunt Maggie to her grave, is utter rubbish. It is reported that the Belgrano had been ordered well into the exclusion zone at the time it was attacked. So who’s right? We were at war, it was in the South Atlantic, and that was a war zone – Argentina said so.
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The biggest laugh is quoting ‘Defence Correspondent David Fairhall’. A lefty Guardian journalist. Hardly likely to be a supporter of Maggie in any circumstances, is he?
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Shame on you Mooochas. Shameful.
Mooochas
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10:06pm Sun 19 Feb 12
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Dean says “After the British War Cabinet approved this plan, there was a slight problem – Argentina rejected it!” – yes, it was rejected Dean, but you should have ‘Googled it’ a bit more (or was it just another manipulative lie?) as it was only rejected by Argentina after the sinking of the Belgrano. We were not at war when the Belgrano was sunk. The Queen did not declare war at any stage. Tell yourself whatever you like, but it still won’t be true ;o) "You're wrong" again.
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Nobody actually knows the correct number of dead from the Belgrano, but if you think 300 dead makes it any easier to swallow then go ahead and tell yourself that – perhaps you’d prefer to ignore the injured (some with horrific burns) and stick to the official UK death toll of 649 Argentine, 255 British military and three Falkland Islanders too, huh? Shameful.
Mooochas
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9:28am Mon 20 Feb 12
- it’s cringe worthy and simply doesn't work ;o)
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I'll let someone else explain to you the difference between military engagements (such as the Falklands conflict) and formal declarations of war which only the Queen can perform.
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Despite your pathetic attempt to rewrite history, the sequence of events was as follows, although you'll no doubt you'll try to manipulate it, as usual;
1. The Peruvian Peace Plan was sent to the UK having been
pre-approved by Argentina.
2. The UK government acknowledged receipt.
3. In the 12 hours between its arrival and the sinking of the
Belgrano Thatcher claims that she was not made aware of it and the orders to engage Argentinian vessels were thus not rescinded.
4. After the sinking of the Belgrano, all-out conflict commences
claiming the lives and limbs of British and Argentinian soldiers and Argentina declares refusal to sign any proposed peace plan with the UK over the Falklands.
Shameful.
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Any journalist that disapproves of the Conservative Party or it’s Politicians is a ‘lefty’ in your blue blinkered eyes, Dean. This is exactly why you will always lack objectivity. Fact ;o)
Mooochas
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9:54am Mon 20 Feb 12
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The effects of her policies in the North-East will never be forgotten and our region will never forget.
Mooochas
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10:00am Mon 20 Feb 12
CTRILEY
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11:49am Mon 20 Feb 12
Dean M wrote:No what is shameful is that people are gullible enough to believe what is puerile, sixth form sarcasm, or that people no matter their political views will belief anything which is said against those to whom the remark was made, even when there is no proof to support this or any such claim.
Obviously, Maggie did not imprison Mandela or decide how long he stayed inside. . But the left-wingers will even try and blame her for this. The death of Whitney Houston, too? . Shameful.
Those who repeat and treat such claims if they have creditibility, do themselves no favours.
Dierdre
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12:27pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Dean M
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2:10pm Mon 20 Feb 12
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The difference between military engagements and formal declarations of war is of no relevance here, except to lefties like you who desperately clutch at any straw to attack Maggie over the Belgrano affair, or anything else. The fact is that, with Parliament’s approval, British forces were deployed to war, or military conflict, or a little disagreement, or whatever you want to call it. Bleating on about the Queen not formally declaring war is utterly ridiculous.
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And I believe Maggie did not ask the Queen to do this, for political reasons. Maggie was happy to carry the can for the conflict and tried to limit the formal involvement of the Queen. In the same way Maggie did not bomb Argentina, as she was asked not to inflict too heavy a defeat on them, and she complied.
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It’s quite pathetic to start the sequence of events from your beloved ‘Peruvian Peace Plan’. The military dictatorship rejected all diplomatic efforts, UN Resolutions and peace proposals put forward in the weeks leading up to the Belgrano, including Haig’s proposals just 3 days before it was sunk. Because the UK received a latest proposal just a few hours before the attack, this means the UK should stop all military action in the hope that the nice dictators might just agree to this latest one? Ridiculous. And Peru supported Argentina and supplied them with fighter aircraft.
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There was another ‘Defence Correspondent’ that came up with the headline ‘Gotcha!’ which was very supportive of Maggie’s action. Why did you choose to selectively quote a leftie, Guardian journalist? Just to attack Maggie, no matter what, that’s why. Shameful.
Mooochas
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3:13pm Mon 20 Feb 12
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The UK agreed to a proposal for peace from Peru. Fact.
The same proposal was already agreed to by Argentina. Fact.
The UK government acknowledged receipt of this proposal 12 hours before sinking the Belgrano. Fact.
Thatcher denies seeing the proposal prior to the sinking despite it being acknowledged 12 hours earlier. Fact.
Many British & Argentinian soldiers lost their lives during the conflict. Fact.
Thatcher’s glory headlines saved her political career. Fact.
Dean’s unsubstantiated speculation and denial of the facts. Shameful.
CTRILEY
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3:24pm Mon 20 Feb 12
All governments no matter what political view point they represent do things which are either bad or good. Often they take credit or get blamed for things in which they played no part. Few politicians ever speak the truth, whilst as is shown by this Coun Anderson woman there are councillors who are immature. But time and time again we all get conned into fighting their pathetic little battles of divide and conquer, long enough to vote them back into power.
Mooochas
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3:34pm Mon 20 Feb 12
linzer
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5:05pm Mon 20 Feb 12
What I do know is that councillors for the pit villages which lost there pits at the same time are still slagging off an old geriatric woman instead of proposing solutions to the problems of here and now.
linzer
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5:25pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Ahoy Tiny Crisp
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6:48pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Dean M wrote:"click"
That's one of main points I'm making, linzer. The dictatorship invaded as a last, desperate tactic to hang on to power and it didn't work. So the bigger picture (which Mooochas can never see) is that Maggie actually did the Argentine people a favour.
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And yes, wishing an 80-plus year old woman dead, who has been out of power for over 20 years is just pathetic.
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Mooochas, whilst the Argie dictators rejected the Peru peace plan because of the Belgrano, Maggie was of course man enough to accept it, the very day after the sinking of HMS Sheffield.
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Anyway, it seems we can agree on one thing, Maggie had not agreed to this latest peace plan prior to the sinking of the Belgrano.
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And the Argies had not already agreed to it as proposed, they insisted on changes. So this is another one of your 'facts' which is not a fact.
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Are you sure many soldiers lives were lost? I thought there were no casualties at all. Oh I see, you're selectively highlighting the bad news again, even though it's bleeding obvious to everyone, just to keep up your Thatcher-hatred. Shameful.
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CTR - fair enough!
spragger
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6:51pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Their petty retrospective points always pick them out in such forums. They are lost for words and any valid contribution.
Never forget, given a free hand they will spend & waste your money. Never allow you a choice.
Spend money they have not got and blame any group who comes into their vindictive sight
Ahoy Tiny Crisp
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7:05pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Mooochas wrote:DEAN MASTERS thinks he's a law unto himself...he should take the hint!
CTR is absolutely correct ...except for the Tories and all Tory politicians. They have never done anything wrong or bad. Ask Dean if you're in any doubt ;o) lol
Mooochas
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7:32pm Mon 20 Feb 12
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We can certainly agree that in the 12 hours before the sinking of the Belgrano the UK government either did not inform their PM that a peace proposal was on the table or alternatively, that they overlooked bringing it to Thatcher’s attention. Fact.
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You can read the true timeline of events by following the link below; alternatively you can satisfy yourselves with the fictional gibbering of an insignificant ‘blue blinkered’ peacock from Darlo with a biased opinion on absolutely everything.
http://www.falklands
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line.html
Mooochas
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7:35pm Mon 20 Feb 12
spragger wrote:Lol! - Yet another gibbering idiot. Where do they all come from? ;o)
I would not bite, the left is in retreat right across the civilised world, after being caught out again. Their petty retrospective points always pick them out in such forums. They are lost for words and any valid contribution. Never forget, given a free hand they will spend & waste your money. Never allow you a choice. Spend money they have not got and blame any group who comes into their vindictive sight
Mooochas
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8:22pm Mon 20 Feb 12
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A very costly but sererendipitous error that would ultimately lead to a 'U'-turn in the dwindling popularity of her and the Conservative party with the voting British public.
spragger
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9:17pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Are you going to reopen an investigation into the 2ww or the Battle of Trafalgar?
None of which excuses this murdering Labour terrorist
Sundstein
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9:40pm Mon 20 Feb 12
spragger wrote:There's a murdering Labour terrorist now ? Sorry, I've not been keeping up with the news.
Now why don't you go and do a bit more research in the Atlantic, preferably at the bottom of the sea
Are you going to reopen an investigation into the 2ww or the Battle of Trafalgar?
None of which excuses this murdering Labour terrorist
Last I heard, a British citizen exercising their right to free-speech by contributing to a legal website was "outed" by a right-wing blog for a comment made in 2010...no, not even a comment, just pressing the "like" button concerning a topic. Now they're a murderer ?
Is no-one else worried by the 1984-style "thoughtcrime" approach used by a government-supportin
g self-styled arbiter of public morals ?
Frankly guys, I'd stop worrying about the Falklands War. Its distracting you from what appears to be some pretty dubious activities going on right now.
Dean M
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10:23pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Mooochas wrote:Mooochas. The Belgrano was a costly error that would lead to the dwindling popularity of her and her party? Are you for real sweetheart?
"We can certainly agree that if Thatcher is telling the truth, in the 12 hours before the sinking of the Belgrano the UK government either did not inform their PM that a peace proposal was on the table or alternatively, that they overlooked bringing it to Thatcher’s attention." * A very costly but sererendipitous error that would ultimately lead to a 'U'-turn in the dwindling popularity of her and the Conservative party with the voting British public.
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She won in 83 and again in 87 and Major won in 92. So, don’t tell me, the voting public in 1997 thought ‘Hang on, on second thoughts that Belgrano incident 15 years ago was questionable, Peruvian peace proposals and all that, so I don’t like the Tories any more and I’m voting Labour.’
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That has to be your most ridiculous one yet, or you’re deliberately taking the p1ss.
Dean M
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10:26pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Ahoy Tiny Crisp wrote:Ah, the return of ahoy slimy snitch Colin Burns. He doesn’t return with any sensible comment on the thread, he just returns to gloat about his grassing up of a fellow contributor to the site moderator. What a person you are, eh Burnsy? You like to dish it out, but can't take it back.
Mooochas wrote: CTR is absolutely correct ...except for the Tories and all Tory politicians. They have never done anything wrong or bad. Ask Dean if you're in any doubt ;o) lolDEAN MASTERS thinks he's a law unto himself...he should take the hint!
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I can’t use the word ‘man’ obviously. Not in relation to Colin Burns.
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Now run along Colin. Go on, grass me up again. It’s all you’re good for.
tomtopper
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11:03pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Mooochas wrote:For the second time...What an idiot you are..
"We can certainly agree that if Thatcher is telling the truth, in the 12 hours before the sinking of the Belgrano the UK government either did not inform their PM that a peace proposal was on the table or alternatively, that they overlooked bringing it to Thatcher’s attention."
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A very costly but sererendipitous error that would ultimately lead to a 'U'-turn in the dwindling popularity of her and the Conservative party with the voting British public.
Have you ever been to the Falklands? Met the Islanders? Had family who have served there? I have and I can tell you, (to save your continuous trawling of the net and wikipedia etc for snippets of information to validate your argument) That the Peruvian goverment were Argentinas only military ally and were planning a joint war on thier neighbour Chile... The last minute 'peace' proposal was simply something that was designed to delay the war until winter made any chance of landings impossible.. Something you can well appreciate if you've been there..
It was also a very politically high risk option to go to war when other safer options were available.. There was a real possibility of losing (due to logistics) Hardly a thing to do for re-election...
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11:57pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Belgrano though. Before you go any further, study the conflict, as I have, and you will see why it was sunk. Look at times, dates and events. It's not hard, especially when you can Google all the info these days. I'm not giving you any more clues. Work it out for yourselves.
Everyone thinks Thatcher is to be praised for sending a task force, when in reality if she'd sent a frigate and a sub and replaced the Endurance there would have been no conflict at all and a thousand lives would have been saved. Tory defence cuts were with us then and are with us now. Those lives are on her conscience and no one elses. They kept her in power for too long. If she'd gone we could have had John Smith as a PM and I think he may just have ben the man for the job. We'd be in better circumstances if this had happened.
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8:40am Tue 21 Feb 12
Senor
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8:44am Tue 21 Feb 12
Most likely the same price of copper.
Scargill didn't think about the miners, he thought about himself only.
Old miners on pension credits etc and is Scargill on the same???
No he has it quite cushy with money from where???
Mooochas
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10:07am Tue 21 Feb 12
Dean M wrote:Learn to read, Dean - or have you simply been reduced to misquoting me? lol!
Mooochas wrote: "We can certainly agree that if Thatcher is telling the truth, in the 12 hours before the sinking of the Belgrano the UK government either did not inform their PM that a peace proposal was on the table or alternatively, that they overlooked bringing it to Thatcher’s attention." * A very costly but sererendipitous error that would ultimately lead to a 'U'-turn in the dwindling popularity of her and the Conservative party with the voting British public.Mooochas. The Belgrano was a costly error that would lead to the dwindling popularity of her and her party? Are you for real sweetheart? . She won in 83 and again in 87 and Major won in 92. So, don’t tell me, the voting public in 1997 thought ‘Hang on, on second thoughts that Belgrano incident 15 years ago was questionable, Peruvian peace proposals and all that, so I don’t like the Tories any more and I’m voting Labour.’ . That has to be your most ridiculous one yet, or you’re deliberately taking the p1ss.
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The ‘mistake’, that is claimed by Thatcher to have been made her Conservative Government, was that she was not made aware of a peace proposal that was on the table for 12 hours prior to the sinking of the Belgrano.
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Try and misread that, you clown ;o)
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10:16am Tue 21 Feb 12
spragger wrote:Are you referring to Blair? or Thatcher?
Now why don't you go and do a bit more research in the Atlantic, preferably at the bottom of the sea Are you going to reopen an investigation into the 2ww or the Battle of Trafalgar? None of which excuses this murdering Labour terrorist
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According to Dean you need to look at the bigger picture. Blair, like Thatcher before him, actually did the Afghan and Iraqi people a favour as his actions brought about regime change. Comprendo?
Mooochas
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10:28am Tue 21 Feb 12
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"Thatcher's popularity waned amid recession and high unemployment, until economic recovery and the 1982 Falklands War brought a resurgence of support resulting in her re-election in 1983."
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10:35am Tue 21 Feb 12
Sundstein
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12:08pm Tue 21 Feb 12
Sundstein wrote:Hello ? Anyone out there living in 2012 ?
spragger wrote:There's a murdering Labour terrorist now ? Sorry, I've not been keeping up with the news.
Now why don't you go and do a bit more research in the Atlantic, preferably at the bottom of the sea
Are you going to reopen an investigation into the 2ww or the Battle of Trafalgar?
None of which excuses this murdering Labour terrorist
Last I heard, a British citizen exercising their right to free-speech by contributing to a legal website was "outed" by a right-wing blog for a comment made in 2010...no, not even a comment, just pressing the "like" button concerning a topic. Now they're a murderer ?
Is no-one else worried by the 1984-style "thoughtcrime" approach used by a government-supportin
g self-styled arbiter of public morals ?
Frankly guys, I'd stop worrying about the Falklands War. Its distracting you from what appears to be some pretty dubious activities going on right now.
Perhaps the bald men would like to stop arguing over the comb and adress the present story which, by the way, didn't mention the Falklands War AT ALL.
Get off your hobby-horses and give mine a chance :)
At least its in the right story.
spragger
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1:53pm Tue 21 Feb 12
Sounds like a hate crime, or incitement to violence.
Might even find she funded the IRA?
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1:56pm Tue 21 Feb 12
Dean M wrote:More Social Notworking DEAN MASTERS
Mooochas wrote:It doesn’t work, Mooochas, your attempts to mislead are so easy to spot.
I'm done trying to educate you, Dean. Your blinkered opinions will always be worthless because they are simply that - blinkered. If you can't recognise the obvious effect (courtesy of the tabloids) that the Falklands Conflict had on the country's opinion of Thatcher and her government, you must be even more limited than I had previously thought (if that's possible) ;o) lol! * http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Margaret_Th atcher "Thatcher's popularity waned amid recession and high unemployment, until economic recovery and the 1982 Falklands War brought a resurgence of support resulting in her re-election in 1983."
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First your little gem about there being casualties in the Falklands (really, are you sure?) and now this comment about Maggie gaining electoral support from a ‘Falklands Factor’. Yes, we all know this, sweetheart. This fact has not been disputed at all on this thread, but you’re now chucking it in to try and disguise your lefty fixation with the Belgrano affair and to promote your personal hatred of Thatcher. Our ‘debate’ here has been about the relevance of a peace proposal from an Argentine ally to the whole issue of the Belgrano and the conflict.
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I admit to misreading your ‘costly error’ sentence, but I believe it was Maggie’s handling of the whole crisis that increased her popularity with the electorate, not this one ‘costly error’ as you put it. In any event, who are you to pronounce it a ‘costly error’? If the Belgrano, as is now reported, had received orders to head for the exclusion zone then if Maggie had stalled and it had not been sunk how do we know how the military action (and casualties) would have then panned out? It may well have been far more costly, to both British and Argentinian forces. It's easy for you to sit behind a keyboard and pontificate, well after the event.
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Bleat on about the Belgrano all you like, but throwing a few statements of the bleeding obvious into the mix doesn’t disguise your Leftie hatred.
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