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Middlesbrough MP Sir Stuart Bell says retrospective rules unfair

NOTHING TO REPAY: Sir Stuart Bell NOTHING TO REPAY: Sir Stuart Bell

A NORTH-EAST MP last night urged colleagues not to repay expenses claims under rules imposed retrospectively by an outside auditor.

Middlesbrough MP Sir Stuart Bell said it was unfair that the rules on expenses were being applied retrospectively – despite his own claims not being called into question.

He received a letter late last night, which stated that he was not required to make any repayments.

But earlier, when he believed he was likely to be told to pay back £800 of a cleaning bill, he said: “I will say to the inquiry that these were claims made according to the rules as they were written down and it’s not right to reapply them now.

“I think my constituents will know that every claim I made was proper.”

Asked what other MPs should do, Sir Stuart said: “MPs will be perfectly entitled to say it is not in the interests of fairness or justice, if their claims were made on the basis of the rules that are now being rewritten.”

His stance is a sign of growing mutiny at Westminster, and his rebel views put him at odds with Gordon Brown, who has agreed to pay back £12,415, following the audit of past claims by Sir Thomas Legg.

The Prime Minister was found to have overclaimed £10,716 for cleaning, £302 on gardening and to have put through a £1,396 decorating bill twice.

Meanwhile, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg will repay £910 of gardening claims, while Conservative leader David Cameron agreed to supply paperwork relating to a £218 mortgage overpayment he has already repaid.

On a day when the expenses scandal came back to haunt MPs, former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was forced to apologise to the Commons for breaching second home rules – although she was not required to pay back any further money.

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However, many of the 500 MPs believed to have been sent letters highlighting expenses’ claims of concern – and inviting them to refund the public purse – had not received them by early evening.

Labour MP Sir Stuart, and many other MPs, are furious that Sir Thomas has apparently torn up agreements on reasonable claims to impose a retrospective £2,000 annual limit for cleaning and £1,000 for gardening.

Sir Stuart, who sits on the Commons estimates committee, which will rule on excessive claims, agreed that any MP ordered to repay money in Sir Thomas’ final report – expected in December – would be required to obey.

But he said his colleagues were within their rights to challenge the initial findings.

Some of Sir Stuart’s constituents gave the MP their backing last night.

Community campaigner Eddie Johnson said: “I do support his stance on MPs expenses.

“Some MPs have a had a really hard time off it for small discrepancies and I’m sure that there are bigger problems in the private sector.”

Anne McIntosh, Conservative MP for the Vale of York, spoke for many MPs when she said that she would not be commenting until she had responded to Sir Thomas’ letter.

She said: “Each of us is expecting to receive a letter. If Sir Thomas requests further information, obviously I will be happy to comply fully with his request.”

Last night, Sedgefield MP Phil Wilson became one of the first to reveal the contents of his letter.

He is to repay £224.92 because the Fees Office has mistakenly reimbursed him twice for an electricity bill.

“I’m pleased it’s been pointed out and I will put a cheque in the post straightaway,” he said.

“It wasn’t me claiming twice. It was them paying me twice. I never noticed and neither did they.”

■ Millionaire peer Lord Paul, a friend of the Prime Minister who funded his leadership campaign, is to be investigated over £38,000 allegedly claimed by designating as his main home a flat that he never slept in.

Comments(18)

Super steve says...
9:40am Tue 13 Oct 09

Mr Bell, it is your own colleagues and fellow MPs who wrote the rules that allowed you to line your pockets in such a disgraceful way, It does not take a set of rules for an HONEST person to look at something to know that it is WRONG.

However its perfectly clear to most decent tax payers that most MP's have no concept of honesty, right or wrong, and your comments re-enforce that belief.
Thank god theres an election coming, hopefully followed by some war crime trials for the former Labour govt.

dolanp1 says...
9:46am Tue 13 Oct 09


This corrupt bunch of pocket liners made up a set of rules about how much they could claim with that many cover-ups installed that they think this has made them 'fireproof' against any action being taken against them, even the man who has just carried out this latest investigation into this expense scandal was appointed by them and this committee has Bell on it as a senior member.
I line with how government appointees usually act, Bell , in line with all the other MP's thought that all he would do was get the 'whitewash' bucket out but instead he has turned round and bit them all on the arse and now they are all looking around for all and every excuse to cover their actions, the only thing Bell and his likes care about is the delusionary world that they live in that says they are better than the rest of us and that we should always do and think as they tell us.

Jolly Roger says...
11:01am Tue 13 Oct 09

In my eyes this makes them no better than Benefit Cheats if not worse.

Because they milked the system and I thought they had more knowledge, but no, it means they know how to wiggle out more easily.

So come on police take them to court, all of them, for fiddling money like others, because it laundering money from us the tax payers.

taxpayers says...
12:13pm Tue 13 Oct 09

stuart bell you are a total disgrace,please get a haircut and your teeth done,for some one in public office what a scruff.When will people in the north-east stop voting labour in and realise that they have done nothing for the region ,even when we had blair as PM nothing was done to cut the north-south divide,john cummings is my MP another leech who can't speak properly and therefore remains one of a few MP's not to have ever said anything in a debate in the common's,they have done nothing for the north-east-VOTE THEM OUT!

Super steve says...
5:15pm Tue 13 Oct 09

OK Mr Bell I asume that you also believe that iof someone is overpaid benefits or gets a tax rebate by error they should not have to repay it ? Yes, OK so lets look at the money we pay in road fund licence, some 400 billion in the last decade, most of which has not been spent on the roads so are we going to get that back?

Britain needs Labour like I need lung cancer

Dante says...
5:30pm Tue 13 Oct 09

For once I am in agreement with der uber recht, hang um an flog um brigade...........WI
TH ONE EXCEPTION..........L
ABOUR/TORIES....THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. It wasn't a Labout MP who had his moat cleared nor bought a house for his ducks noe paid his son who was at Uni at the time, 40 grand as a researcher.
They are all corrupt.
What the country needs is a complete change, neither Labour nor Tories, but whom? that is the jackpot question.

Not always right says...
7:52pm Tue 13 Oct 09

Super T if your mentioning war crimes then don't forget Maggie. Red or blue they are all the same. Line our pockets get a directorship here and there and do nowt. True the Wurzel Bell needs a haircut and a dentist, but what matters to him he's led the high life off us for years like the rest of them can just laugh at us, come the revolution........bu
t I dont think so some how because we are too content/fat/stupid and lazy.

Dierdre says...
9:18pm Tue 13 Oct 09

I for one feel it's high time we gave the Independent candidates a chance - they could not do any wore that the main parties. Bell claimed almost £50 a week for a cleaner - it's a small flat in London - how often were they there? Not only that, how do we know he paid a clenaer - no receitps an be found on the Internet. Also no receipts are asked for for food - Bell was claiming £250 per month! My salary pays for my food - I don't expect other tax payers to feed me.

MrMorden says...
1:07pm Wed 14 Oct 09

And the winner for "Being out of touch with the voters" award goes to Stuart Bell.

Stuart later thanked the panel for the award and then asked could he have the cash equivilant for it.

colinburns says...
8:42am Thu 15 Oct 09

MrMorden wrote:
And the winner for "Being out of touch with the voters" award goes to Stuart Bell. Stuart later thanked the panel for the award and then asked could he have the cash equivilant for it.
Think Tory muppett David Wilshire deserves that award more, love the arrogance which is so typical of the Tories!

melwilson says...
3:40pm Thu 15 Oct 09

I understand the point Stuart Bell is trying to make here, he's saying that why should they pay back expenses from years ago when they were, effictively, just claiming what they were (wrongly) entitled to, I think if my employer tried to make me pay back expenses I'd have a fit! HOWEVER, the fact that these greedy morons even dared to claim for the most ridiculous things is just beyond comprehension. If I go away with work, I'm entitled to claim up to £25 per night for a meal - never, in all my trips away, have I ever claimed that much - I just wouldn't dare - a standard meal is what, up to a tenner?! It just beggars belief that they got away with it for so long, made worse by the fact that none of them appear to have a conscience

Homshaw says...
3:40pm Thu 15 Oct 09

Many of these MPs should be serving jail sentences.

In China they shoot corrupt politicians. They are correct to do so.

We vote for these people based on their opinions. They know what is right or wrong. They are crooked.

Dierdre says...
5:12pm Thu 15 Oct 09

Since we are talking about a lot on money, going back a lot of years here - how about some interest payments too?

stevegg says...
9:38pm Thu 15 Oct 09

Stuart Bell - You are a disgrace. You obviously are out touch with public opinion, believe you have a right to con the taxpayer and have no morals. Pay the money back and resign now with a smallpeice of dignity intact.

Dierdre says...
9:47pm Thu 15 Oct 09

Dante - what about giving the Independent candidates a chance - you have nothing to lose have you?

melwilson says...
10:59am Fri 16 Oct 09

Nick Scott wrote:
Homshaw wrote:
Many of these MPs should be serving jail sentences. In China they shoot corrupt politicians. They are correct to do so. We vote for these people based on their opinions. They know what is right or wrong. They are crooked.
This is the most incisive commentary on the whole debacle to date. Across parties, they all knew what they were doing, I agree, they should be jailed, the lot of them.
Is there enough room in jails for them??

melwilson says...
6:45pm Fri 16 Oct 09

oh its definitely criminal - I bet nothing happens with them though.

colinburns says...
8:51am Sat 17 Oct 09

Nick Scott wrote:
Personally I'd like to see the lot of them without exception skinned alive and their pelts draped over the statue of Lonsdale as a prelude to the Durham culture bid. I mean this without exception, and as an example.
Too soft, its a good kick up the ar*e they need :)

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