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We won’t damage henges - Tarmac

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A COMPANY that submitted a plan for a controversial quarry extension close to the site of a 5,000-year-old monument has answered its critics.

Tarmac Northern operates at Nosterfield Quarry, near Bedale, North Yorkshire, near the Thornborough Henges.

It wants to extract 1.1million tonnes of sand and gravel from 31 hectares of land at nearby Ladybridge Farm, half a mile from the henges.

Permission was granted in January last year, despite opposition from the Friends of Thornborough Henges (FTH) and heritage group Time- Watch.

In December, FTH challenged the legality of the handling of the application by North Yorkshire County Council on eight counts.

The county council quashed its decision and Tarmac submitted a fresh application with up-to-date archaeology, hydrology and environmental reports.

Yesterday, Tarmac’s district manager for Yorkshire, Alan Coe, spoke to The Northern Echo in a bid to set the record straight.

He said: “We in no way want to demolish anything of interest.

“There is obviously interest because of what we are trying to do here. It’s a case of let’s turn every blade of grass.”

Before Tarmac starts work, investigations will take place.

Topsoil will be removed and archaeologists will look for signs that something of interest lies beneath. Work cannot continue until archaeological efforts have been exhausted.

Mr Coe said Tarmac had no intention – and no right – to quarry anywhere near the henges, which are a scheduled ancient monument, protected by English Heritage.

Critics have suggested the company quarry elsewhere, but Mr Coe said it is not that simple. “There is a shortage of sand and gravel and there is a need for it,” he said.

He also said the positive part the quarry played in the local community was undervalued.

Nosterfield Quarry employs 15 staff, works with haulier Alfred Hymans of Ripon and supplies local businesses.

While quarrying is ongoing at Nosterfield, much of the land has been restored. It now has a lake – Lake Flask – which is home to hundreds of birds including swans and herons.

It has cultivated reed beds and an area of magnesium grass, and created 2,500 metres of paths.

If permission is granted, Tarmac has pledged to do similar work at Ladybridge.

Mr Coe said: “We are very hopeful that we will have a positive decision for the quarry to continue, which will ensure we can supply to the area and provide the employment for the lads who work here.”

Officers are expected to recommend approval of the application, which will be considered on Tuesday.

Comments(22)

sebsed says...
8:24pm Wed 20 Aug 08

Just because there is a need for it does not make it right, sorry should have said a greed for it. Surely less need now with the building downturn anyhows. Cursory exam of topsoil - what's the point at all - odds are finds will be lower down! Employment might be affected, yes, I and my husband have had to re-train, it is quite common nowadays! Maybe if we looked more closely at the past we would gain valuable insight for our future!

Runesmith says...
10:21pm Wed 20 Aug 08

Tarmac have been taking lessons from politicians: don't answer the question you were asked, answer a different one that's easier.

Nobody has said they are going to damage the henges - even spineless English Heritage wouldn't lie down for that. Imagine if Tarmac proposed to dig up your garden and the road past your house, and when you protested, they assured you that they wouldn't touch your house so you had nothing to worry about? That's what they are going to do to Thornborough Henge if they are allowed.

"Turning every blade of grass" is another good line - anyone who has watched "Time Team" at work knows that you don't find archaeology that way. This is frankly admitting that they will take care not to look where they might find anything that would hold up their all-important money-making.

At a time when house building is at an all-time low and road building is in question, where is this shortage of builder's sand? If the Council had the wit to realise what an important historical site they have, they could employ more "lads" in Henges Visitor Centres, bringing tourist money into the region, than Tarmac will ever employ ripping up the landscape.

Gerry Fenge says...
10:50pm Wed 20 Aug 08

Recent research (as shown on Timeteam)has linked Stonehenge with Durrington Walls in a Neolithic super-landscape. Research will no doubt carry on thereabouts for decades and centuries.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a Neolithic super-landscape in the North. Well we do, and it's called Thornborough Henges. Unfortunately, research will not be able to carry on there for decades and centuries, because Tarmac want to quarry much of the remaining landscape for more gravel.
Fear not, though, Tarmac will eventually turn the new quarry into a lake. So there we are: the South gets a world class archaeological landscape, and the North gets a habitat for swans and herons.
How does that make you feel?

Jolly Roger says...
11:02pm Wed 20 Aug 08

I have never understood why the people who are complaining about Tarmac, don't have a got at the archaeologists who do the digs to see what they can find on any site, AS they are destroying the site also, why because once dug the site has been damaged for all time.
So if the protestors want to save the site, no more work should be done by anyone and leave this site well alone.
I love time team who admit to destroying sites, but say there are plenty of other places left for future generations to look at.


LindaK says...
11:13pm Wed 20 Aug 08

Nicola Fenwich - apparently the mouth piece of Tarmac in her uncritical article - quotes Tamac's district manager as saying: We in no way want to demolish anything of interest."
I guess this means that they are not interested in English heritage, because "Anything" in this case consists of a whole landscape thought to be a hitherto unheard of rich source for neolithic cultural excavation and the surroundings for a site no less important and no less impressive than Stonehenge.

As for the Councill who have taken the decision to grant the quarry even before the meeting, one must ask oneself whether they are so "friendly" with Tarmac that they turn the blind eye to the facts, or whether they are just too stupid to see the potential this site can offer the region in terms of attracting turists. In any case they are just about to slaughter the golden goose.

CristinaK says...
7:24am Thu 21 Aug 08

I agree with those who say that Tarmac should be looking elsewhere for their sand and gravel. Why is it imperative that they extend the Ladybridge site, in fact, why did they begin to quarry in the vincinity of an important ancient monument in the first place?
Even more to the point, why have the Council supposedly decided to grant the extension of the quarry, before the meeting?
As Tarmac has more than one site where archaeological remains have been discovered, they must be aware of the likelyhood that the landscape surrounding Thornborough Henges is also likely to be rich in material from the past.

Nigel Swift says...
8:07am Thu 21 Aug 08

Your readers should be aware that Tarmac has claimed it is not going to damage the henges hundreds of times over the past few years. They are quarrying the archaeological setting of a prehistoric monument of world importance and are therefore damaging it just as certainly as if they dug up the landscape surrounding Stonehenge or the Pyramids. Of all the places throughout Britain from which they could obtain gravel this is by far the least appropriate and most disastrous.
Tarmac are not only damaging the henges they are destroying an important part of Mankind's cultural heritage. They should not be allowed to deny itr with cheap PR and spin.

Nigel Swift
Chairman
Heritage Action
www.heritageaction.o
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JohnS says...
8:29am Thu 21 Aug 08

Making planning decisions for short term profit is a disgrace.

These monuments are older than the pyramids. Surely they deserve our respect and care?

An English Heritage spokesperson once described the Thornborough henges as the most important site between Stonehenge and the Orkneys.

Thornborough exists astronomically to a wider set of features across the landscape. To make a decision about the henges in isolation is madness.

See: http://www.megalithi
csites.co.uk/Thornbo
rough.html

Tarmac won't damage the henges but eventually leave them largely surrounded by water, destroying the setting of these unique henges forever.



selkirkwolf says...
9:30am Thu 21 Aug 08

These sites belong to all British people and to the whole world,why does local government get to decide on something that will affect the history of Britain for all time?

coxberr says...
11:49am Thu 21 Aug 08

Not another lake! The existing Ladybridge landscape is an inherent part of Thornborough Henges. Tarmac claims not to want to demolish anything of interest; whilst the Henges themselves are protected, their setting is not. Tarmac's best PR would be to respect the history and withdraw from Thornborough.

Beeblebrox says...
2:29pm Thu 21 Aug 08

We need to preserve the environment around the henges as well as the henges themselves. The people who built these henges would have lives in the area immediately adjacent and there have been a number of finds to confirm this.

If we are to understand more about the people who built these amazing monuments then it is imperative that we preserve as much as we can of the land that will provide this information.

It is to their shame that English Heritage have not made more of a stand to defend what their name suggests they stand for.

Jack Thornborough says...
4:13pm Thu 21 Aug 08

My ancestors came from Yorkshire to the United States in 1814. I grew up hearing stories from my grandfather about the “mounds” near the village of Thornborough – stories he had heard from his grandfather. I guess there has been “progress” in England since my ancestors left, but it doesn’t sound like they would have approved of this most recent bit of progress. I was taught to respect history and our heritage. I would hope the Yorkshire councilors will show similar respect for that heritage and not permit Tarmac to further ravage the surround of the Thornborough Henges.

Pipes says...
12:37pm Fri 22 Aug 08

I'm disappointed that Tarmac have finally succeeded in their appeal to extract building materials from around Thornborough. There are many other sources they might employ, both less damaging and more environment-consciou
s, such as using recycled or off-shore dredged materials.


Some academics have proclaimed the area as significant to Yorkshire and England as certain world-heritage sites in Wiltshire. Imagine the outcry if land around Stonehenge were turned into a lake. And, once the extraction is finished and the site 'landscaped', what guarantee do we have that what remains of the henge won't suffer further damage, as has already happened?

It also seems somewhat naive or hypocritical of Tarmac to continue with this action, after funding high-profile Archaeological events such as the Buried Treasure exhibition in 2006. Chances are that whatever they build won't last anything like 5000 years, should the building industry recover after the 'Credit Crunch'.

Some things we treasure are worth more than their financial value, and once they're gone, they're gone for-ever.

pagani says...
10:58am Sat 23 Aug 08

I went to thornborough henges a few times before i became disabled and i love this site. I cannot understand why there has to be any excavation by Tarmac at all. They are a massive company and surely could go elsewhere. The henges need to be protected by whatever means! You never see Stonehenge being dug up do you! Tarmac saying they will not damage the henges-what rot!- once on site no telling what damage will be done and as the henges are so old why havent we had protection from british heratige? It seems to me that when big businessess are involved they get there own way in the end regardless of the protests, its called as my mum used to put it 'feathering your own nests' and we all know what that means dont we! We need massive worldwide media attention to help protect thornborough and i for one hope we get it.

shenamcgrath says...
11:54am Sat 23 Aug 08

Isn't this another case of short-termism? Gravel and sand are finite resources, tourism is renewable. I don't think tourists would come to see Stonehenge so often if it was surrounded by a gravel pit. Developing it as a tourism site would be an investment for the future - as well as not contributing to the uglification of the area.

Lilith Moon says...
12:20pm Sat 23 Aug 08

I believe that the way the legal status of the land is set up, that it will actually cost tarmac a lot of money if they dont quarry it, which is what really behind their keeness to distroy the site further.

Something of interest? Who is deciding what is of interest? There are a majority of people out there that find the whole landscape of great interest, either for its enviromental/histori
cal significance or its relevency as a modern spiritual centre. The blinkered, short term profit-centred attitude of Tarmac and its supporters in the political arena has already done irepairable damage to the heritage of this region and to allow the envioromental/acheol
ogical and spiritual rape of this site to continue further is apauling.

karendownham says...
3:56pm Sun 24 Aug 08

I feel we need to protect the land surrounding the henges as well as the henges themselves - not to do so would put the monuments out of context - they are part of a HISTORICAL landscape!

Mariane says...
6:00pm Sun 24 Aug 08

More roads simply mean more traffic, which in turn means faster global warming. So Tarmac wants to trash a part of the world in order to contribute to the destruction of the whole world. And why? Only for short term profits.

What makes this particular case worse than average is that they've picked a beautiful natural place, near England's oldest henges.

Such ancient sacred places can only be understood in context. We have the technological means to transplant Stonehenge to London, so we could do it to decorate Hide Park and give easier access for the tourists. But it simply would not be Stonehenge any more. Stonehenge is not restricted to the stone circle, every explanation I have ever read about it takes into account other features of the landscape, some of which are miles away.

In order to enable similar future explanations of Thornborough Henges, the surrounding area must be left untouched.

JohnS says...
10:25pm Sun 24 Aug 08

Whichever way you look at it, it will be a disgrace comparable to the suggestion that Stonehenge be used for target practice, as was mooted at one time during WWII.

DON'T DO IT.

There is plenty of gravel elsewhere, don't get it from here, it's madness.

Wightdruid says...
11:33pm Sun 24 Aug 08

Such an important historical site is about so much more than just what is immediately obvious on the ground. The landscape as a whole, the setting, is critical. Which is why Stonehenge, for example, will never be fully appreciated until the road and the traffic are finally gone.
What is proposed here is utterly sickening to anyone with even the slightest attachment to our ancient landscape, our heritage and our legacy of a sense of history and of 'belonging' for our children, and their children.

singe says...
6:06pm Tue 26 Aug 08

Given that Tarmac is having so much trouble with this and getting a lot of negative publicity you would have thought that they would have gone elsewhere. Obviously the need to make money despite the cost to our heritage is a more motivating factor.

rainbow john says...
1:22pm Mon 15 Sep 08

I live in Thornborough. I spoke to the man who sold the right to quarry at ladybridge.(I was collecting signatures against it - he didn't sign!) We both agree that what they are doing is ridiculous. Taking the gravel, he said, out of Yorkshire, so presumably the gravel used here in yorkshire is driven in from elsewhere. All to keep the cycle of money going around.
But worse, the lakes they leave behind are not supposed to be there! We will never again be able to walk on the ancient land we used to. Tarmac are trying to finish what the Romans began - destroying the truth of our Country's origins.

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