Labour's northern regional conference held in Newton Aycliffe

The Northern Echo: PARTY FAITHFUL: Delegates at Labour's northern regional conference PARTY FAITHFUL: Delegates at Labour's northern regional conference

LABOUR leaders have accused the Government of abandoning the north.

Vice chairman Michael Dugher told the party’s regional conference in Newton Aycliffe, County Durham, on Saturday that David Cameron ‘is giving up on the north’ with unemployment up in the North-East and North-West and people an average of £1,600 worse off a year.

Attacking the Conservatives’ 'One Nation' mantle, Mr Dugher said: “Rather than building one nation he is a divide and rule prime minister.”

He said Mr Cameron has shown ‘complete ambivalence’ to the region and ‘when it comes to the north, Tories have written it off economically but given up politically’.

Mr Dugher said more than 5,000 young people in the North-East would benefit from Labour’s manifesto pledge to guarantee work for all under 25s who have been jobless for a year, by taxing bankers’ bonuses.

Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper told the conference that north councils had been hit by austerity measures much harder than wealthy councils in the south.

“That isn’t ‘we’re in this together’,” she said.

Adding: “I pay tribute to Labour councils, councillors and police leaders doing a tough job, facing huge cuts but working hard to protect services for communities we want to defend.”

She said the Conservatives had ‘ditched the social chapter’ and told delegates ‘it is time to get people back to work, build more affordable homes, stop the exploitation of zero hours contracts and time to get rid of the nasty and deeply unfair bedroom tax’.

The conference gave retiring North-East MEP Stephen Hughes a chance to bid farewell to Labour colleagues.

He said in 30 years representing the region in Europe he had made 3,500 flights - the equivalent of seven and-a-half months at 36,000ft - and his time working overseas equated to living in France for four years and in Brussels for 11.

He said: “It has been a tremendous honour and privilege to represent this great region for all of those years but I won’t miss the travel, it is the one downside and is getting harder.

“Believe it not I’d like to visit Brussels for pleasure.

“My parents stayed in my apartment six of seven summers and would ask if I knew certain museums and I had to say no, I’ve never got to know the city.”

Sedgefield MP Phil Wilson was delighted his constituency hosted the event, at the Xcel Centre on Aycliffe Business Park, Newton Aycliffe.

He said: “It is usually in the big conurbations like Newcastle and Sunderland, but this shows how important Newton Aycliffe is to the Labour family.”

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2:36pm Sun 16 Mar 14

bones26 says...

there has been a north south divide for many a year now ,and the people in the north have always known this and said this to there mps but do they take any notice ,NO. they just go to london sit in the house of overpaid mps eating and drinking cheap booze then claiming travel expenses for first class travel .what do they say ,ere ere ..yerrrr
there has been a north south divide for many a year now ,and the people in the north have always known this and said this to there mps but do they take any notice ,NO. they just go to london sit in the house of overpaid mps eating and drinking cheap booze then claiming travel expenses for first class travel .what do they say ,ere ere ..yerrrr bones26
  • Score: 13

3:13pm Sun 16 Mar 14

jps101 says...

How did the North East benefit when we had a LABOUR Prime Minister?

And if Yvette Cooper read the Northern Echo online comments she would know theres quite a few people not happy with the Labour Councils and Councilors she pays tribute to, as for the Police what about all the bad press lately?
How did the North East benefit when we had a LABOUR Prime Minister? And if Yvette Cooper read the Northern Echo online comments she would know theres quite a few people not happy with the Labour Councils and Councilors she pays tribute to, as for the Police what about all the bad press lately? jps101
  • Score: 20

3:27pm Sun 16 Mar 14

jps101 says...

Also do they not realise it was Labour who caused all the austerity measures we have today.
Whenever they get in power they behave like spend spend spend lottery winners, not really interested about money coming in, then its borrow borrow borrow, but don't worry about that someone else will sort that out when the tories get back in!
But in the meantime Labour get a good name for spending money they haven't got then the tories are hated for having to try and pay off all the borrowing, its a sequence I've seen over and over again!
Also do they not realise it was Labour who caused all the austerity measures we have today. Whenever they get in power they behave like spend spend spend lottery winners, not really interested about money coming in, then its borrow borrow borrow, but don't worry about that someone else will sort that out when the tories get back in! But in the meantime Labour get a good name for spending money they haven't got then the tories are hated for having to try and pay off all the borrowing, its a sequence I've seen over and over again! jps101
  • Score: 14

3:55pm Sun 16 Mar 14

loan_star says...

Typical labour politicians talking **** as usual, ignoring their hand in the mess we are in and blaming everyone but themselves.
We know from experience the only reason Labour value the north east is that come election time it doesn't matter how badly they have done for their constituents, they will always get voted back in.
Typical labour politicians talking **** as usual, ignoring their hand in the mess we are in and blaming everyone but themselves. We know from experience the only reason Labour value the north east is that come election time it doesn't matter how badly they have done for their constituents, they will always get voted back in. loan_star
  • Score: 10

4:06pm Sun 16 Mar 14

DarloXman says...

Yvette Cooper says " it is time to get people back to work, build more affordable homes, stop the exploitation of zero hours contracts and time to get rid of the nasty and deeply unfair bedroom tax".

What did Labour do in their 13 years in Government to get the North East back to work?? Answer - Nothing. They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance!

How many "affordable homes" did Labour build?? Answer - not many that I can see!

Who created the legislation for companies to exploit zero hour contracts?? Answer - Labour!

How is the "Bedroom Tax" nasty and unfair? Answer - it simply isn't to the Taxpayer. It's simply a re-adjustment of the benefits paid to people to match what they need - not what they would like! It's certainly not unfair to the tax paying family who can't afford an extra bedroom for themselves - yet are expected to pay so that someone else can be provided with one!

The hypocrisy of all politicians has no bounds - I just don't know how she could have said this without bursting out laughing! They're certainly having a good laugh at us - the electorate!!
Yvette Cooper says " it is time to get people back to work, build more affordable homes, stop the exploitation of zero hours contracts and time to get rid of the nasty and deeply unfair bedroom tax". What did Labour do in their 13 years in Government to get the North East back to work?? Answer - Nothing. They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance! How many "affordable homes" did Labour build?? Answer - not many that I can see! Who created the legislation for companies to exploit zero hour contracts?? Answer - Labour! How is the "Bedroom Tax" nasty and unfair? Answer - it simply isn't to the Taxpayer. It's simply a re-adjustment of the benefits paid to people to match what they need - not what they would like! It's certainly not unfair to the tax paying family who can't afford an extra bedroom for themselves - yet are expected to pay so that someone else can be provided with one! The hypocrisy of all politicians has no bounds - I just don't know how she could have said this without bursting out laughing! They're certainly having a good laugh at us - the electorate!! DarloXman
  • Score: 13

4:24pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Bright And Cheerful says...

Well, I do know under the last Labour Government a large area around here allowed to see many district and borough councils dissolved and social housing stock transferred(the Tories did not put that through)and though people will always be critical anecdotally the impression is when it comes up in conversation those most affected by the changes wanted things to remain as they were. So the fear is that we'll get more of the same. Or we'll be choosing to vote in the least nasty of the parties we have to choose from.

We know that should Labour win 2015 many policies will be similar or they'll not repeal/reverse many of the ideas the coalition has passed into law and they'll say "We did not introduce them so don't blame us!"

Doesn't bode well with the main parties being so similar and all leaning right of centre. Many politicians are professional politicians who have a career in Parliament with little or no knowledge of a life away from the Westminster Village, not unlike the so called celebs who took part in the Sport Relief series this past week showing people using food banks and how people often find themselves struggling and often not of their own making.

They experience it for perhaps for a week(if that)and then can walk away where the rest of us are unable to. Lives that seem ok can change in seconds.
Well, I do know under the last Labour Government a large area around here allowed to see many district and borough councils dissolved and social housing stock transferred(the Tories did not put that through)and though people will always be critical anecdotally the impression is when it comes up in conversation those most affected by the changes wanted things to remain as they were. So the fear is that we'll get more of the same. Or we'll be choosing to vote in the least nasty of the parties we have to choose from. We know that should Labour win 2015 many policies will be similar or they'll not repeal/reverse many of the ideas the coalition has passed into law and they'll say "We did not introduce them so don't blame us!" Doesn't bode well with the main parties being so similar and all leaning right of centre. Many politicians are professional politicians who have a career in Parliament with little or no knowledge of a life away from the Westminster Village, not unlike the so called celebs who took part in the Sport Relief series this past week showing people using food banks and how people often find themselves struggling and often not of their own making. They experience it for perhaps for a week(if that)and then can walk away where the rest of us are unable to. Lives that seem ok can change in seconds. Bright And Cheerful
  • Score: 5

5:17pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Smig62 says...

DarloXman,

"They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance!".

You do realise tht DLA has absolutely nothing to do with being unemployed don't you? Even David Cameron received DLA for his late son Ivan.
DarloXman, "They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance!". You do realise tht DLA has absolutely nothing to do with being unemployed don't you? Even David Cameron received DLA for his late son Ivan. Smig62
  • Score: 1

5:20pm Sun 16 Mar 14

laboursfoe says...

Smig62 wrote:
DarloXman,

"They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance!".

You do realise tht DLA has absolutely nothing to do with being unemployed don't you? Even David Cameron received DLA for his late son Ivan.
I see your point DarloXman but there can be a logical transition front unemployment to disability.
[quote][p][bold]Smig62[/bold] wrote: DarloXman, "They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance!". You do realise tht DLA has absolutely nothing to do with being unemployed don't you? Even David Cameron received DLA for his late son Ivan.[/p][/quote]I see your point DarloXman but there can be a logical transition front unemployment to disability. laboursfoe
  • Score: 4

5:31pm Sun 16 Mar 14

MSG says...

Milburn, Blair, Mandelsson, Miliband, N Brown, when you were the top dogs in new Labour & government what did you do for the north east = NOWT !!!!
Milburn, Blair, Mandelsson, Miliband, N Brown, when you were the top dogs in new Labour & government what did you do for the north east = NOWT !!!! MSG
  • Score: 12

6:18pm Sun 16 Mar 14

joedarlo45 says...

Once a month there is a new Labour proposal which will be paid for by taxing bankers bonuses....there is not enough to tax to pay for any of these...totally unworkable......
Once a month there is a new Labour proposal which will be paid for by taxing bankers bonuses....there is not enough to tax to pay for any of these...totally unworkable...... joedarlo45
  • Score: 5

7:17pm Sun 16 Mar 14

punkrocker says...

I keep hearing of the £100 million cuts imposed on Durham county council by this govt. No mention of the £5 million plus over spend on the spenny/thinford roundabout scheme or the £19.7 million debt on the councils in house refuse scheme. That's £25 million wasted by Durham council simply due to poor planning and management. Still no bosses jobs lost so lets blame the tories.
what exactly did labour do for the north east when in office for 13 years.
I keep hearing of the £100 million cuts imposed on Durham county council by this govt. No mention of the £5 million plus over spend on the spenny/thinford roundabout scheme or the £19.7 million debt on the councils in house refuse scheme. That's £25 million wasted by Durham council simply due to poor planning and management. Still no bosses jobs lost so lets blame the tories. what exactly did labour do for the north east when in office for 13 years. punkrocker
  • Score: 8

8:10pm Sun 16 Mar 14

spragger says...

What a bunch of ****
Its been a Labour area for years and that is why it is in such a mess
Lowest business start ups in the UK, etc , etc
Lack of aspiration
Mass exodus of the best youth
What a bunch of **** Its been a Labour area for years and that is why it is in such a mess Lowest business start ups in the UK, etc , etc Lack of aspiration Mass exodus of the best youth spragger
  • Score: 10

8:12pm Sun 16 Mar 14

spragger says...

What a bunch of ****
Its been a Labour area for years and that is why it is in such a mess
Lowest business start ups in the UK, etc , etc
Lack of aspiration
Mass exodus of the best youth
What a bunch of **** Its been a Labour area for years and that is why it is in such a mess Lowest business start ups in the UK, etc , etc Lack of aspiration Mass exodus of the best youth spragger
  • Score: 4

10:44pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Darkroom Devil says...

The only way the poor will ever have full stomaches and the unemployed would ever all have work is if there were no governments or politicians. They're all the same in every country. Greedy humans with two goals. Divide and aquire. All all cost.

God help us all.
The only way the poor will ever have full stomaches and the unemployed would ever all have work is if there were no governments or politicians. They're all the same in every country. Greedy humans with two goals. Divide and aquire. All all cost. God help us all. Darkroom Devil
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Darkroom Devil says...

10:44pm Sun 16 Mar 14
Darkroom Devil says...

The only way the poor will ever have full stomaches and the unemployed would ever all have work is if there were no governments or politicians. They're all the same in every country. Greedy humans with two goals. Divide and aquire. At all cost.

God help us all.
10:44pm Sun 16 Mar 14 Darkroom Devil says... The only way the poor will ever have full stomaches and the unemployed would ever all have work is if there were no governments or politicians. They're all the same in every country. Greedy humans with two goals. Divide and aquire. At all cost. God help us all. Darkroom Devil
  • Score: 2

11:34pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Darkroom Devil says...

Actually that should really say "we're all the same in every country" because with the exception of the very few truley altruistic people in the world, we are all the same.

There in exists the worlds biggest problem.
Actually that should really say "we're all the same in every country" because with the exception of the very few truley altruistic people in the world, we are all the same. There in exists the worlds biggest problem. Darkroom Devil
  • Score: 1

12:02pm Tue 18 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Congratulations to the above folks like Punky, Spragger, Joe, MSG and others. You have told the truth. 13 years when Labour did sweet b*gger all for this impoverished region. Even when the PM came from here and many cabinet members were NE MPs. So much COULD be done to give us a leg up but nothing happened because we vote Labour. The answer is obvious.
Congratulations to the above folks like Punky, Spragger, Joe, MSG and others. You have told the truth. 13 years when Labour did sweet b*gger all for this impoverished region. Even when the PM came from here and many cabinet members were NE MPs. So much COULD be done to give us a leg up but nothing happened because we vote Labour. The answer is obvious. David Lacey
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Longbowman666 says...

So, remind me, exactly what did the last Labour administration do for this area?

Oh, yes - nothing...and as usual, their councillors keep getting voted back in to do exactly the same, because' dear old granddad were a miner an' ed turn in 'is grave if we did owt else'

No wonder so little gets done for this area.
So, remind me, exactly what did the last Labour administration do for this area? Oh, yes - nothing...and as usual, their councillors keep getting voted back in to do exactly the same, because' dear old granddad were a miner an' ed turn in 'is grave if we did owt else' No wonder so little gets done for this area. Longbowman666
  • Score: 8

4:24pm Fri 21 Mar 14

punkrocker says...

i am no fan of the tories but can anyone explain to labour who brought Nissan to the north, who is bringing hitachi to aycliffe (even though no trains actually built there) and who helped bring back steel making to redcar. not labour.
i am no fan of the tories but can anyone explain to labour who brought Nissan to the north, who is bringing hitachi to aycliffe (even though no trains actually built there) and who helped bring back steel making to redcar. not labour. punkrocker
  • Score: 2

4:46pm Fri 21 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

This idea that the Hitachi factory won't build trains is incorrect. Dozens of firms across the region and the rest of the country are supplying parts. They include Romag who will be making the windows. Now we have the fantastic news that Hitachi is relocating its entire world wide train business to the UK and placing the HQ in London. There is a huge market for new rolling stock across Europe and the Aycliffe plant will be perfectly placed to capture some of this business. When Nissan first came here they were assembling kits made in Japan. Now look at the factory! We need to celebrate the Hitachi venture, not run it down.
This idea that the Hitachi factory won't build trains is incorrect. Dozens of firms across the region and the rest of the country are supplying parts. They include Romag who will be making the windows. Now we have the fantastic news that Hitachi is relocating its entire world wide train business to the UK and placing the HQ in London. There is a huge market for new rolling stock across Europe and the Aycliffe plant will be perfectly placed to capture some of this business. When Nissan first came here they were assembling kits made in Japan. Now look at the factory! We need to celebrate the Hitachi venture, not run it down. David Lacey
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Fri 21 Mar 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

I know one thing. LABOUR are not the answer. Things were no different at all when they were in power. And just take a look at the Labour councils up here. They are without doubt the worst in the entire country. Experts at waste and inneficiency. The North South divide will always exist because the North is stuck in a pit village time warp, run by Labour Councils. And it's the people up here who ultimately are to blame. You reap what you sew as they say.
I know one thing. LABOUR are not the answer. Things were no different at all when they were in power. And just take a look at the Labour councils up here. They are without doubt the worst in the entire country. Experts at waste and inneficiency. The North South divide will always exist because the North is stuck in a pit village time warp, run by Labour Councils. And it's the people up here who ultimately are to blame. You reap what you sew as they say. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 6

9:41pm Fri 21 Mar 14

tomtopper says...

DarloXman wrote:
Yvette Cooper says " it is time to get people back to work, build more affordable homes, stop the exploitation of zero hours contracts and time to get rid of the nasty and deeply unfair bedroom tax".

What did Labour do in their 13 years in Government to get the North East back to work?? Answer - Nothing. They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance!

How many "affordable homes" did Labour build?? Answer - not many that I can see!

Who created the legislation for companies to exploit zero hour contracts?? Answer - Labour!

How is the "Bedroom Tax" nasty and unfair? Answer - it simply isn't to the Taxpayer. It's simply a re-adjustment of the benefits paid to people to match what they need - not what they would like! It's certainly not unfair to the tax paying family who can't afford an extra bedroom for themselves - yet are expected to pay so that someone else can be provided with one!

The hypocrisy of all politicians has no bounds - I just don't know how she could have said this without bursting out laughing! They're certainly having a good laugh at us - the electorate!!
Here here..quality post..
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: Yvette Cooper says " it is time to get people back to work, build more affordable homes, stop the exploitation of zero hours contracts and time to get rid of the nasty and deeply unfair bedroom tax". What did Labour do in their 13 years in Government to get the North East back to work?? Answer - Nothing. They did of course reduce the number unemployed by moving mass numbers onto Disability Living Allowance! How many "affordable homes" did Labour build?? Answer - not many that I can see! Who created the legislation for companies to exploit zero hour contracts?? Answer - Labour! How is the "Bedroom Tax" nasty and unfair? Answer - it simply isn't to the Taxpayer. It's simply a re-adjustment of the benefits paid to people to match what they need - not what they would like! It's certainly not unfair to the tax paying family who can't afford an extra bedroom for themselves - yet are expected to pay so that someone else can be provided with one! The hypocrisy of all politicians has no bounds - I just don't know how she could have said this without bursting out laughing! They're certainly having a good laugh at us - the electorate!![/p][/quote]Here here..quality post.. tomtopper
  • Score: 1

10:03am Sat 22 Mar 14

truggggg says...

Labour did NOWT for me when I needed help the most. They did NOWT for others when they needed help the most. They did NOWT for this area even though they had a PM and ministers from round here. They brought in zero hour contracts, food banks and very few jobs. They introduced a toothless minimum wage legislation but very few firms have been prosecuted for not paying it.
In other words they did NOWT for this area.
Guess what they will get from me- NOWT
Labour did NOWT for me when I needed help the most. They did NOWT for others when they needed help the most. They did NOWT for this area even though they had a PM and ministers from round here. They brought in zero hour contracts, food banks and very few jobs. They introduced a toothless minimum wage legislation but very few firms have been prosecuted for not paying it. In other words they did NOWT for this area. Guess what they will get from me- NOWT truggggg
  • Score: 2

10:14am Sat 22 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

We all know about Labour's track record. But the folks here still vote them back in. It will always be so.
We all know about Labour's track record. But the folks here still vote them back in. It will always be so. David Lacey
  • Score: 2

11:06am Sat 22 Mar 14

John Durham says...

I'm all for a little bit of bias in my politics but the majority of the comments above have taken it to a new and totally unrealistic level.
You all may believe the words you've written but it certainly doesn't bear any relation to the facts.
I can only assume one of two things - either some of you weren't old enough to remember what the North East or indeed the country looked like by 1997 or if you do you simply choose to ignore what is in plain sight.
It is a perversion of history to ignore the facts whatever your political bias - as much as some of you hate Labour a more balanced review of good things done as well as bad should still be possible.
And over time governments decay - the Tories did in the 1990s and Labour did from 2005. It was probably right for Labour to lose in 2010 just as it was necessary for them to win in 1997. But to ignore the whole record of either party's period in office with its pluses and minuses is simply dogmatic to the nth degree.
Some on this site I know could do a lot better.
I'm all for a little bit of bias in my politics but the majority of the comments above have taken it to a new and totally unrealistic level. You all may believe the words you've written but it certainly doesn't bear any relation to the facts. I can only assume one of two things - either some of you weren't old enough to remember what the North East or indeed the country looked like by 1997 or if you do you simply choose to ignore what is in plain sight. It is a perversion of history to ignore the facts whatever your political bias - as much as some of you hate Labour a more balanced review of good things done as well as bad should still be possible. And over time governments decay - the Tories did in the 1990s and Labour did from 2005. It was probably right for Labour to lose in 2010 just as it was necessary for them to win in 1997. But to ignore the whole record of either party's period in office with its pluses and minuses is simply dogmatic to the nth degree. Some on this site I know could do a lot better. John Durham
  • Score: -3

11:58am Sat 22 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

If you believe what you've written Mr D please give us ONE initiative that Labour delivered in 13 miserable years that was exclusively aimed at leveling the playing field for the North East versus the rest of the UK. Just one will do. But you will find it impossible to do so. the fact is that Labour was content to let us languish at the bottom of every economic, social, education and health league table. I can remember 1997 very well. The economy of the UK was doing so well that the Tory spending plans were adopted by the Blair government for 2 years until the Brown madness was unleashed. I also remember 1979 when the country was on the verge of civil war courtesy of a hopeless Labour government and uncontrollable trades unions.
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So once again - give us a single example of Labour doing something for the impoverished North East. Where the Prime Minister resided and a fair slice of his cabinet had their constituences. The facts are the facts. It is YOU who chooses to ignore them - but you would as you pin on your red rosette in advance of the 22nd May elections.
If you believe what you've written Mr D please give us ONE initiative that Labour delivered in 13 miserable years that was exclusively aimed at leveling the playing field for the North East versus the rest of the UK. Just one will do. But you will find it impossible to do so. the fact is that Labour was content to let us languish at the bottom of every economic, social, education and health league table. I can remember 1997 very well. The economy of the UK was doing so well that the Tory spending plans were adopted by the Blair government for 2 years until the Brown madness was unleashed. I also remember 1979 when the country was on the verge of civil war courtesy of a hopeless Labour government and uncontrollable trades unions. . So once again - give us a single example of Labour doing something for the impoverished North East. Where the Prime Minister resided and a fair slice of his cabinet had their constituences. The facts are the facts. It is YOU who chooses to ignore them - but you would as you pin on your red rosette in advance of the 22nd May elections. David Lacey
  • Score: 2

12:29pm Sat 22 Mar 14

John Durham says...

David - would it matter what I said - you would claim it meant nothing. For example, if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it?
If the North East had extra spending per head on new hospitals, universities, colleges, schools and infrastructure as it did would you class that as helping the North East or wasting money.
Sometimes national policies are made which are designed to support areas like the North - eg community regeneration, assistance to universities eg Teesside Digital City etc - policies which are designed specifically to assist those parts of the country which need more help.
Its easy to ask me to give examples but I know you are more than capable to find these things out for yourself if you wanted to - for your own reasons, which I fully understand, you choose not to admit to them - but you and I know these arguments are not as straightforward as some would like to portray.
But what of the future David? Will you be voting for UKIP in 2015 who can give you nothing that you want or the Tories who can give you all you claim you want?
You say I will have my red rosette on - you may or not be right about that - but I will at least be making my vote count. What about yourself?
David - would it matter what I said - you would claim it meant nothing. For example, if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it? If the North East had extra spending per head on new hospitals, universities, colleges, schools and infrastructure as it did would you class that as helping the North East or wasting money. Sometimes national policies are made which are designed to support areas like the North - eg community regeneration, assistance to universities eg Teesside Digital City etc - policies which are designed specifically to assist those parts of the country which need more help. Its easy to ask me to give examples but I know you are more than capable to find these things out for yourself if you wanted to - for your own reasons, which I fully understand, you choose not to admit to them - but you and I know these arguments are not as straightforward as some would like to portray. But what of the future David? Will you be voting for UKIP in 2015 who can give you nothing that you want or the Tories who can give you all you claim you want? You say I will have my red rosette on - you may or not be right about that - but I will at least be making my vote count. What about yourself? John Durham
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Sat 22 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

" if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it?" - of course not because it isn't true! Your comment about universities etc is also a complete fallacy. I understand your desperation to justify voting Labour as their infection runs deep in your veins.
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But you have completely failed to show a single initiative. That is because they did NOTHING for us. Absolutely NOTHING. You know it. I know it. The above commentators know it.
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" if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it?" - of course not because it isn't true! Your comment about universities etc is also a complete fallacy. I understand your desperation to justify voting Labour as their infection runs deep in your veins. . But you have completely failed to show a single initiative. That is because they did NOTHING for us. Absolutely NOTHING. You know it. I know it. The above commentators know it. . David Lacey
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Sat 22 Mar 14

John Durham says...

PS David I recall you live in Durham and to be fair (which I try to be) Labour policies to the regions have admittedly been city-centric (in the North East concentrating very much on Tyne & Wear and Teesside). I think this meant that Durham did lose out under that policy.
You will no doubt have noticed that this government has followed very much the same policy - though making less funding available in the process.
PS David I recall you live in Durham and to be fair (which I try to be) Labour policies to the regions have admittedly been city-centric (in the North East concentrating very much on Tyne & Wear and Teesside). I think this meant that Durham did lose out under that policy. You will no doubt have noticed that this government has followed very much the same policy - though making less funding available in the process. John Durham
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Sat 22 Mar 14

John Durham says...

David Lacey wrote:
" if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it?" - of course not because it isn't true! Your comment about universities etc is also a complete fallacy. I understand your desperation to justify voting Labour as their infection runs deep in your veins.
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But you have completely failed to show a single initiative. That is because they did NOTHING for us. Absolutely NOTHING. You know it. I know it. The above commentators know it.
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Commentors surely - not commentators! Do they know the score?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: " if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it?" - of course not because it isn't true! Your comment about universities etc is also a complete fallacy. I understand your desperation to justify voting Labour as their infection runs deep in your veins. . But you have completely failed to show a single initiative. That is because they did NOTHING for us. Absolutely NOTHING. You know it. I know it. The above commentators know it. .[/p][/quote]Commentors surely - not commentators! Do they know the score? John Durham
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12:58pm Sat 22 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Poor attempt. Still trying to justify the pathetic attempts of Labour. Where was our version of the Barnett Formula? Why didn't we get parity with the Scots - the RICHER Scots? Your loyalty to Labour is visible to all. Why not admit it? Embarrassed?
Poor attempt. Still trying to justify the pathetic attempts of Labour. Where was our version of the Barnett Formula? Why didn't we get parity with the Scots - the RICHER Scots? Your loyalty to Labour is visible to all. Why not admit it? Embarrassed? David Lacey
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1:26pm Sat 22 Mar 14

John Durham says...

David Lacey wrote:
Poor attempt. Still trying to justify the pathetic attempts of Labour. Where was our version of the Barnett Formula? Why didn't we get parity with the Scots - the RICHER Scots? Your loyalty to Labour is visible to all. Why not admit it? Embarrassed?
David - you are trying to make it a left-right issue with me personally but I have put the case in an honest way as I see it. You don't accept what I say but that's OK - no doubt you will get lots of support on this thread over the weekend too.
But if you believe that calling me a Labour supporter somehow is sufficient to make your argument the correct one then I'm puzzled. Surely you have something more to offer than that?
But in the end I am not really interested in the usual 'I'm right - you're wrong - no, I'm right you're wrong' type of nonsense that is usual on these threads.
So I would suggest you go pick a fight with someone else.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Poor attempt. Still trying to justify the pathetic attempts of Labour. Where was our version of the Barnett Formula? Why didn't we get parity with the Scots - the RICHER Scots? Your loyalty to Labour is visible to all. Why not admit it? Embarrassed?[/p][/quote]David - you are trying to make it a left-right issue with me personally but I have put the case in an honest way as I see it. You don't accept what I say but that's OK - no doubt you will get lots of support on this thread over the weekend too. But if you believe that calling me a Labour supporter somehow is sufficient to make your argument the correct one then I'm puzzled. Surely you have something more to offer than that? But in the end I am not really interested in the usual 'I'm right - you're wrong - no, I'm right you're wrong' type of nonsense that is usual on these threads. So I would suggest you go pick a fight with someone else. John Durham
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1:49pm Sat 22 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Defeated. When facts are traded you have lost. It isn't left versus right, it is facts versus fallacies. Your currency is the latter. Mine the former.
Defeated. When facts are traded you have lost. It isn't left versus right, it is facts versus fallacies. Your currency is the latter. Mine the former. David Lacey
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3:18pm Sat 22 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

BONES26 You comments are totally out of context, yes many 'working class people' from the North East ***choose***(not all) to go to London to **Work and better themselves. I know many who have and do work dammed hard and *****EARN******* BIG MONEY, getting up as early as 5.OOa.m. to go to WORK.. On the other hand you have a growing minority of pure 'sit on their butt workshy' in the 'north-east' who have never done , or intend to do, 'one day graft' (work) in their 'sad lazy narrow lives' and probably have difficulty getting out of bed at 2.OOp.m. in the afternoon. So they 'drink cheap booze in London ?. some may well do that (quite legal of course) but nothing in comparison with the 'booze, alcohol anti-social disorder frenzy North-east'' where they 'drink like fishes and 'litter their streets and Council estates with literally tons of discarded lager cans', left to be cleaned up by 'poor-mug' Council Workers..
BONES26 You comments are totally out of context, yes many 'working class people' from the North East ***choose***(not all) to go to London to **Work and better themselves. I know many who have and do work dammed hard and *****EARN******* BIG MONEY, getting up as early as 5.OOa.m. to go to WORK.. On the other hand you have a growing minority of pure 'sit on their butt workshy' in the 'north-east' who have never done , or intend to do, 'one day graft' (work) in their 'sad lazy narrow lives' and probably have difficulty getting out of bed at 2.OOp.m. in the afternoon. So they 'drink cheap booze in London ?. some may well do that (quite legal of course) but nothing in comparison with the 'booze, alcohol anti-social disorder frenzy North-east'' where they 'drink like fishes and 'litter their streets and Council estates with literally tons of discarded lager cans', left to be cleaned up by 'poor-mug' Council Workers.. cushybutterfield
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3:27pm Sat 22 Mar 14

LUSTARD says...

cidi hughes in darlington tells us as the member with portfolio for children that we dont need an engineering college in darlington its better we teach them to read andwrite, todays paper,, **** off
cidi hughes in darlington tells us as the member with portfolio for children that we dont need an engineering college in darlington its better we teach them to read andwrite, todays paper,, **** off LUSTARD
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3:42pm Sat 22 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

I know of some decent young people who have saved up, 'got off their butt's and ON THEIR BIKE, off to London and who have bettered themselves and have done really well through sheer HARD WORK (GRAFT). Some like this who have been successful are then targeted by some people (not all of course) in the North East who have nothing to say but jealous criticism. The same forever winging, moaning north-easterners, 'Oh what a hard life........ hypocrites' remain on long term Dole benefits BY CHOICE but they continue with their torrid verbal negativity, 'The DOLE and WORLD OWES me a living and the same historical labour Jarrow-March Whinging Concerto', that everyone else in Britain by now, knows off by heart and is sick and tired of hearing 'pathetic self-pity left wing political rhetoric rubbish'. ****Answer and ***Suggestion, particularly aimed at 'workshy whinging bone-idle punters'.. There are plenty of other ..............WORK-S
EEKING Bikes in the Workshop , so get on one and ride away and get a Job..its called SELF-HELP....it beats continual whinging. Do something ****Positive and FIND WORK...
I know of some decent young people who have saved up, 'got off their butt's and ON THEIR BIKE, off to London and who have bettered themselves and have done really well through sheer HARD WORK (GRAFT). Some like this who have been successful are then targeted by some people (not all of course) in the North East who have nothing to say but jealous criticism. The same forever winging, moaning north-easterners, 'Oh what a hard life........ hypocrites' remain on long term Dole benefits BY CHOICE but they continue with their torrid verbal negativity, 'The DOLE and WORLD OWES me a living and the same historical labour Jarrow-March Whinging Concerto', that everyone else in Britain by now, knows off by heart and is sick and tired of hearing 'pathetic self-pity left wing political rhetoric rubbish'. ****Answer and ***Suggestion, particularly aimed at 'workshy whinging bone-idle punters'.. There are plenty of other ..............WORK-S EEKING Bikes in the Workshop , so get on one and ride away and get a Job..its called SELF-HELP....it beats continual whinging. Do something ****Positive and FIND WORK... cushybutterfield
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5:56pm Sat 22 Mar 14

spragger says...

John Durham wrote:
David - would it matter what I said - you would claim it meant nothing. For example, if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it?
If the North East had extra spending per head on new hospitals, universities, colleges, schools and infrastructure as it did would you class that as helping the North East or wasting money.
Sometimes national policies are made which are designed to support areas like the North - eg community regeneration, assistance to universities eg Teesside Digital City etc - policies which are designed specifically to assist those parts of the country which need more help.
Its easy to ask me to give examples but I know you are more than capable to find these things out for yourself if you wanted to - for your own reasons, which I fully understand, you choose not to admit to them - but you and I know these arguments are not as straightforward as some would like to portray.
But what of the future David? Will you be voting for UKIP in 2015 who can give you nothing that you want or the Tories who can give you all you claim you want?
You say I will have my red rosette on - you may or not be right about that - but I will at least be making my vote count. What about yourself?
Would you believe people if they said it was not all a money problem?
We have lost too many aspirational people to the SE & other parts of the world. We have ended up with people like those that lead DCC and Darlington Council.
One trick ponies that are completely lost when it comes to spending other peoples money wisely
It comes down to a competence issue
[quote][p][bold]John Durham[/bold] wrote: David - would it matter what I said - you would claim it meant nothing. For example, if I say that Blair and Byers gave Nissan a subsidy to keep them here after they had decided to quit the region would you believe it? If the North East had extra spending per head on new hospitals, universities, colleges, schools and infrastructure as it did would you class that as helping the North East or wasting money. Sometimes national policies are made which are designed to support areas like the North - eg community regeneration, assistance to universities eg Teesside Digital City etc - policies which are designed specifically to assist those parts of the country which need more help. Its easy to ask me to give examples but I know you are more than capable to find these things out for yourself if you wanted to - for your own reasons, which I fully understand, you choose not to admit to them - but you and I know these arguments are not as straightforward as some would like to portray. But what of the future David? Will you be voting for UKIP in 2015 who can give you nothing that you want or the Tories who can give you all you claim you want? You say I will have my red rosette on - you may or not be right about that - but I will at least be making my vote count. What about yourself?[/p][/quote]Would you believe people if they said it was not all a money problem? We have lost too many aspirational people to the SE & other parts of the world. We have ended up with people like those that lead DCC and Darlington Council. One trick ponies that are completely lost when it comes to spending other peoples money wisely It comes down to a competence issue spragger
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