Government plan to use austerity measures to fund tax cuts greeted with anger in North-East

SPLASH Prime Minister's plan to use austerity savings to fund tax cuts greeted with anger in North-East

SPLASH Prime Minister's plan to use austerity savings to fund tax cuts greeted with anger in North-East

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DAVID Cameron last night sparked outrage in the North-East after suggesting that savings from austerity measures could be used to fund tax cuts.

The Prime Minister said money from future public spending savings could be given to "hard-pressed families".

But his proposal was greeted with anger by North-East local authority leaders who claim the region has been disproportionately hit by Government cuts.

Senior councillors claimed that using further savings to fund tax cuts would be another example of money being sucked out of the region and handed to wealthier areas in the south.

Councillor Paul Watson, chair of the Association of North East Councils (Anec), said it would be “immoral” if savings from austerity measures were used to fund a reduction in the top rate of tax.

“To say we could use even greater austerity measures to give people tax cuts would be very, very wrong," he added.

“This suggestion is just another demonstration of how the government has transferred the resources from the poorer and more needy regions to the more affluent southern areas.”

Darlington Borough Council leader Bill Dixon, vice chair of Anec, accused the Prime Minister of engaging in the “economics of a madhouse”.

“People may have a few quid in their pocket but they won’t have enough to replace the things that we’ve lost because of government cuts – the libraries, the leisure centres.”

The row has erupted as councils across the region increase council tax bills rather than accept a Government grant to freeze the tax.

According to the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy's (Cipfa), the North-East now has the highest council tax in the country.

Cipfa's annual council tax survey reveals that bills will rise by an average of 0.9 per cent in the North-East and Yorkshire in 2014/15.

This will mean an average bill of £1,549.10 for a Band D property in the North-East and £1,440.55 in Yorkshire and the Humber.

In the face of huge budget cuts, many of the region's local councils have opted to increase the tax by as much as 1.99 per cent - with two per cent rises triggering a local referendum.

The Government has offered councils a grant equivalent to one per cent of their council tax income if they freeze the tax.

In the North-East, several councils including Hartlepool and Sunderland have accepted the grant, although many have not.

One of the latest councils to set a 1.99 per cent increase is Redcar and Cleveland.

Explaining the decision, Norman Pickthall, cabinet member for corporate resources, said: "Even with this modest increase in place the council still has to make 19.8m in savings over the next three years, as a result of Government funding cuts and service demands.

"Accepting a Government grant to freeze council tax would only provide short term relief and would cost the council a further 2.6m by the end of the decade.

"Councillors felt that they had to reach an appropriate position that balances service delivery needs against a council tax increase."

A study released today (Wednesday, March 5) by the York-based Joseph Rowntree Foundation claimed the council tax system was "unfair, unpopular and outdated".

According to the report, After the Council Tax: Impacts of property tax reform on people, places and house prices, policy makers and politicians should start thinking about long-term replacements for council tax.

The charity stated that it was becoming unsustainable for ministers to offer grants to freeze council tax.

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7:30am Wed 5 Mar 14

laboursfoe says...

Perhaps Paul Watson would like to have a look around and realise that some people in the North East actually work, and I don't hear ANYTHING form the PM about the top rate of tax being dropped.

Also, it's now noted that the North East has the highest council tax in thee country, even though Labour councillor and supporters were bleating that it is among the lowest.
Perhaps Paul Watson would like to have a look around and realise that some people in the North East actually work, and I don't hear ANYTHING form the PM about the top rate of tax being dropped. Also, it's now noted that the North East has the highest council tax in thee country, even though Labour councillor and supporters were bleating that it is among the lowest. laboursfoe
  • Score: 16

8:15am Wed 5 Mar 14

Jonn says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Perhaps Paul Watson would like to have a look around and realise that some people in the North East actually work, and I don't hear ANYTHING form the PM about the top rate of tax being dropped.

Also, it's now noted that the North East has the highest council tax in thee country, even though Labour councillor and supporters were bleating that it is among the lowest.
Yes, plenty are in work but are and will suffer disproportionately from ideology, oops sorry, I mean austerity.
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Paul Watson would like to have a look around and realise that some people in the North East actually work, and I don't hear ANYTHING form the PM about the top rate of tax being dropped. Also, it's now noted that the North East has the highest council tax in thee country, even though Labour councillor and supporters were bleating that it is among the lowest.[/p][/quote]Yes, plenty are in work but are and will suffer disproportionately from ideology, oops sorry, I mean austerity. Jonn
  • Score: -16

8:17am Wed 5 Mar 14

tubgut says...

It's depressing the usual labour solution tax the people more and they don't have the guts to ask the public. Their reactive response typical of the body politic is incapable of managing the situation. A proactive approach is required oh poor us don't work they should be out beating the drum of the North East its a great place to do business. Skilled motivated work force use Nissan as a great example of a well funded and managed business. Either step up to the plate or go and get people in place who are prepared to fight for the North East we need fighters not people who are expert of sitting on their hands.
It's depressing the usual labour solution tax the people more and they don't have the guts to ask the public. Their reactive response typical of the body politic is incapable of managing the situation. A proactive approach is required oh poor us don't work they should be out beating the drum of the North East its a great place to do business. Skilled motivated work force use Nissan as a great example of a well funded and managed business. Either step up to the plate or go and get people in place who are prepared to fight for the North East we need fighters not people who are expert of sitting on their hands. tubgut
  • Score: 16

8:29am Wed 5 Mar 14

Mod says...

Most Northeast councils are going for a 1.99% rise. ----- What a pathetic bunch of utter, utter cowards. Surely the good people of the region will back you for a more substantial rise in council tax. What are you afraid of?
Most Northeast councils are going for a 1.99% rise. ----- What a pathetic bunch of utter, utter cowards. Surely the good people of the region will back you for a more substantial rise in council tax. What are you afraid of? Mod
  • Score: 17

8:31am Wed 5 Mar 14

laboursfoe says...

Jonn wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Perhaps Paul Watson would like to have a look around and realise that some people in the North East actually work, and I don't hear ANYTHING form the PM about the top rate of tax being dropped.

Also, it's now noted that the North East has the highest council tax in thee country, even though Labour councillor and supporters were bleating that it is among the lowest.
Yes, plenty are in work but are and will suffer disproportionately from ideology, oops sorry, I mean austerity.
Well then, I think a solution has been found that suits is both, tax cuts on the lower scale would suit.

Who'd have thought that austerity would end up with us both being happy?? We'll find out in a couple of weeks eh!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Paul Watson would like to have a look around and realise that some people in the North East actually work, and I don't hear ANYTHING form the PM about the top rate of tax being dropped. Also, it's now noted that the North East has the highest council tax in thee country, even though Labour councillor and supporters were bleating that it is among the lowest.[/p][/quote]Yes, plenty are in work but are and will suffer disproportionately from ideology, oops sorry, I mean austerity.[/p][/quote]Well then, I think a solution has been found that suits is both, tax cuts on the lower scale would suit. Who'd have thought that austerity would end up with us both being happy?? We'll find out in a couple of weeks eh!!! laboursfoe
  • Score: 6

9:15am Wed 5 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

When I read the headline I couldn't believe it. Then I read the article and was utterly, totally gobsmacked. At least we now know - without a shadow of a doubt - where we stand. ANEC and the Labour run councils think they should spend our money. They don't trust us to spend it ourselves. And did you notice the sly dig by Paul Watson who said it would be immoral if savings from austerity measures were used to fund a reduction in the top rate of tax. But that's not what will happen - the target is the minimum wage and lower tax rate, both of which will be given relief in next month's budget.
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Why can't the Echo tell us how much we are subsidised by the South East? Because we are - heavily. Why can't they tell us that we still get MORE money per head of population than the productive south? All they do is focus on "cuts", which STILL leave us getting more cash per capita. A bit of forensic journalism and the truth will emerge. But it won't be to the liking of the Labour sickos who have dragged us down for generations.
When I read the headline I couldn't believe it. Then I read the article and was utterly, totally gobsmacked. At least we now know - without a shadow of a doubt - where we stand. ANEC and the Labour run councils think they should spend our money. They don't trust us to spend it ourselves. And did you notice the sly dig by Paul Watson who said it would be immoral if savings from austerity measures were used to fund a reduction in the top rate of tax. But that's not what will happen - the target is the minimum wage and lower tax rate, both of which will be given relief in next month's budget. . Why can't the Echo tell us how much we are subsidised by the South East? Because we are - heavily. Why can't they tell us that we still get MORE money per head of population than the productive south? All they do is focus on "cuts", which STILL leave us getting more cash per capita. A bit of forensic journalism and the truth will emerge. But it won't be to the liking of the Labour sickos who have dragged us down for generations. David Lacey
  • Score: 15

10:01am Wed 5 Mar 14

Daveindarlo says...

What's the big deal? Plenty of people work hard in the north east and don't claim anything from the government. As an average earner I paid more tax when Gordon Brown scrapped the lower rate of tax. The coalition then came in and lowered the tax free allowance which needs to keep rising. Labour opposed this. Labour is also for high council tax workers. Labour goes on about cost of living but the biggest payment most of us pay is our taxes, they think it's fair to keep taxing people like mad on salaries under £20k to pay for pet projects in town halls and give to benefits street.
What's the big deal? Plenty of people work hard in the north east and don't claim anything from the government. As an average earner I paid more tax when Gordon Brown scrapped the lower rate of tax. The coalition then came in and lowered the tax free allowance which needs to keep rising. Labour opposed this. Labour is also for high council tax workers. Labour goes on about cost of living but the biggest payment most of us pay is our taxes, they think it's fair to keep taxing people like mad on salaries under £20k to pay for pet projects in town halls and give to benefits street. Daveindarlo
  • Score: 21

11:15am Wed 5 Mar 14

DarloXman says...

Quote - "Darlington Borough Council leader Bill Dixon, vice chair of Anec, accused the Prime Minister of engaging in the “economics of a madhouse”. “People may have a few quid in their pocket but they won’t have enough to replace the things that we’ve lost because of government cuts – the libraries, the leisure centres.”

Shows Labour's tactics exactly - cut things from the council budgets that will impact the masses and blame the Tories - yet no focus on efficiency savings or reducing the obscene salaries of the Senior Management (e.g. Ada Burn's £186,000 annual salary).

Well Red Bill - I'd rather have MY money in MY pocket - rather than yours - I use it more wisely.

By the way - is that a hint that you're planning to close the Dolphin Centre next? Won't bother me - I actually go to a private gym which is less than a third of the price of the highly subsidised Dolphin Centre - work that one out??
Quote - "Darlington Borough Council leader Bill Dixon, vice chair of Anec, accused the Prime Minister of engaging in the “economics of a madhouse”. “People may have a few quid in their pocket but they won’t have enough to replace the things that we’ve lost because of government cuts – the libraries, the leisure centres.” Shows Labour's tactics exactly - cut things from the council budgets that will impact the masses and blame the Tories - yet no focus on efficiency savings or reducing the obscene salaries of the Senior Management (e.g. Ada Burn's £186,000 annual salary). Well Red Bill - I'd rather have MY money in MY pocket - rather than yours - I use it more wisely. By the way - is that a hint that you're planning to close the Dolphin Centre next? Won't bother me - I actually go to a private gym which is less than a third of the price of the highly subsidised Dolphin Centre - work that one out?? DarloXman
  • Score: 13

11:17am Wed 5 Mar 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Excellent news. At long last the hard pressed workers of this country will get a helping hand. Well done, Cameron.
Excellent news. At long last the hard pressed workers of this country will get a helping hand. Well done, Cameron. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 14

11:26am Wed 5 Mar 14

punkrocker says...

the tories could actually win the next election if they cut taxes for the poor.
raise the minimum wage to £7 per hour.
listen to ukip and give us a europe referendom.
And stop the relentless attack on the sick and poor.
but they wont and will lower the upper tax rate to benefit the rich, bring in no fault dismissal so worker have no rights ,continue to destroy the welfare and nhs services and will never give us a european vote. sad facts of life.
the tories could actually win the next election if they cut taxes for the poor. raise the minimum wage to £7 per hour. listen to ukip and give us a europe referendom. And stop the relentless attack on the sick and poor. but they wont and will lower the upper tax rate to benefit the rich, bring in no fault dismissal so worker have no rights ,continue to destroy the welfare and nhs services and will never give us a european vote. sad facts of life. punkrocker
  • Score: -15

11:40am Wed 5 Mar 14

sineater says...

Subsidised by the south easrt,then why do they get more funding than us? iff the money was distributed more fairly our council wouldn't have to raise the council tax
Subsidised by the south easrt,then why do they get more funding than us? iff the money was distributed more fairly our council wouldn't have to raise the council tax sineater
  • Score: -13

12:07pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Alan Macnab says...

I wholeheartedly agree with David Lacey. Labour Councils are notorious in thinking that they know how to spend people's money better than the people do. It's called a dependency culture. I stand on the principle of putting money back into people's pockets and giving them the freedom to decide to save or to spend as they chose. Taking money out of people's pockets as Labour Council's have been doing for years represses people's spending ability. I support this measure.
I wholeheartedly agree with David Lacey. Labour Councils are notorious in thinking that they know how to spend people's money better than the people do. It's called a dependency culture. I stand on the principle of putting money back into people's pockets and giving them the freedom to decide to save or to spend as they chose. Taking money out of people's pockets as Labour Council's have been doing for years represses people's spending ability. I support this measure. Alan Macnab
  • Score: 14

12:12pm Wed 5 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

I'll try and explain in my first language Loopy - English. In England, spending per capita (outside of London) is highest in the North East followed by the
North West, with the South East region amongst the lowest. The figures can be seen here: http://www.isitfair.
co.uk/Reports/Public
/OE%20UKPublicFinanc
e.pdf
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So - please understand - WE GET MORE FUNDING THAN THE SOUTH. More - not less.
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Of course it's not fair. Not fair on the hard working southerners who prop us up with their taxes. But you are a typical chip-on-the-shoulder Labour supporting North Eastern neanderthal who - instead of saying "thank you" to our countrymen - holds out the begging bowl for more. You have all the credentials to be a Scotsman. Why not move there?
I'll try and explain in my first language Loopy - English. In England, spending per capita (outside of London) is highest in the North East followed by the North West, with the South East region amongst the lowest. The figures can be seen here: http://www.isitfair. co.uk/Reports/Public /OE%20UKPublicFinanc e.pdf . So - please understand - WE GET MORE FUNDING THAN THE SOUTH. More - not less. . Of course it's not fair. Not fair on the hard working southerners who prop us up with their taxes. But you are a typical chip-on-the-shoulder Labour supporting North Eastern neanderthal who - instead of saying "thank you" to our countrymen - holds out the begging bowl for more. You have all the credentials to be a Scotsman. Why not move there? David Lacey
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sineater says...

Sorry David but you are lying again,thats a nasty habit in any language tut tut they cut over £220 million from Durhams budget ,now iff you don't want a rise in council tax ,tell them to give the funding back -comprende senor Lacey !!
Sorry David but you are lying again,thats a nasty habit in any language tut tut they cut over £220 million from Durhams budget ,now iff you don't want a rise in council tax ,tell them to give the funding back -comprende senor Lacey !! sineater
  • Score: -6

12:42pm Wed 5 Mar 14

loan_star says...

Typical Bill Dixon thinking he can spend my money better than I can. What a self righteous ****.
Typical Bill Dixon thinking he can spend my money better than I can. What a self righteous ****. loan_star
  • Score: 11

12:45pm Wed 5 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

I give up. I've shown you the official figures. WE GET MORE. I understand that the funding has been cut. BUT WE STILL GET MORE. All it shows is how grossly overfunded we were.
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Usted idiota cabeza gruesa
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My second language. My third is French.
I give up. I've shown you the official figures. WE GET MORE. I understand that the funding has been cut. BUT WE STILL GET MORE. All it shows is how grossly overfunded we were. . Usted idiota cabeza gruesa . My second language. My third is French. David Lacey
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Wed 5 Mar 14

behonest says...

"DAVID Cameron last night sparked outrage in the North-East..." No he didn't. He sparked outrage amongst a few Labour council leaders in the North East last night, who are outraged that they can't just hit their local people with as high a council tax increase as they want to, without even bothering to ask them.

"According to the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy (Cipfa), the North-East now has the highest council tax in the country."
I pointed this out last week, when the Labour lot were trying to say Darlington's council tax was low!

"The Prime Minister said money from future public spending savings could be given to "hard-pressed families". but Labour's response: "Councillor Paul Watson said it would be “immoral” if savings from austerity measures were used to fund a reduction in the top rate of tax."
Come on Labour, we may be stupid, high council tax-paying North Easterners, but we're not so stupid as to miss that blatant con trick of yours. The vast majority (99%) of local hard pressed families are not on the top rate of tax - we all know that! Tax cuts for hard-pressed families should surely be welcomed.

The reason why Bill Dixon thinks the council tax system is flawed, is because of the 2% cap before a referendum is needed, when VAT and other tax increases are not subject to a referendum. In other words, he thinks Darlington Labour council should be able to increase council tax by as much as they want, whenever they want. God help us if Labour win the next election and remove this cap!

If anything, it's time for Mr Pickles to reduce the cap to 1.5%
"DAVID Cameron last night sparked outrage in the North-East..." No he didn't. He sparked outrage amongst a few Labour council leaders in the North East last night, who are outraged that they can't just hit their local people with as high a council tax increase as they want to, without even bothering to ask them. "According to the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy (Cipfa), the North-East now has the highest council tax in the country." I pointed this out last week, when the Labour lot were trying to say Darlington's council tax was low! "The Prime Minister said money from future public spending savings could be given to "hard-pressed families". but Labour's response: "Councillor Paul Watson said it would be “immoral” if savings from austerity measures were used to fund a reduction in the top rate of tax." Come on Labour, we may be stupid, high council tax-paying North Easterners, but we're not so stupid as to miss that blatant con trick of yours. The vast majority (99%) of local hard pressed families are not on the top rate of tax - we all know that! Tax cuts for hard-pressed families should surely be welcomed. The reason why Bill Dixon thinks the council tax system is flawed, is because of the 2% cap before a referendum is needed, when VAT and other tax increases are not subject to a referendum. In other words, he thinks Darlington Labour council should be able to increase council tax by as much as they want, whenever they want. God help us if Labour win the next election and remove this cap! If anything, it's time for Mr Pickles to reduce the cap to 1.5% behonest
  • Score: 12

1:22pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sineater says...

The system they used for funding the regions was based on population,that does not mean it is fair. The population in the south east has a higher % of high earners ,so they don't need as much help,as people of the north east ,and other regions which are suffering from lack of investment. All hs2 will do is make a larger commuter belt for London,it will again be no help for us in this area.And by the way your first languafe is right wing lying .
The system they used for funding the regions was based on population,that does not mean it is fair. The population in the south east has a higher % of high earners ,so they don't need as much help,as people of the north east ,and other regions which are suffering from lack of investment. All hs2 will do is make a larger commuter belt for London,it will again be no help for us in this area.And by the way your first languafe is right wing lying . sineater
  • Score: -8

1:26pm Wed 5 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

They should be forced to cut by 5% per annum until we get back to the 1997 figure plus a modest amount to account for some (not all) inflation. Every business in the private sector understands the need for efficiency savings and lower costs. They do so in order to survive. Sadly in the grossly inefficient public sector anything goes when the poor tax payer can be r*ped with impunity.
They should be forced to cut by 5% per annum until we get back to the 1997 figure plus a modest amount to account for some (not all) inflation. Every business in the private sector understands the need for efficiency savings and lower costs. They do so in order to survive. Sadly in the grossly inefficient public sector anything goes when the poor tax payer can be r*ped with impunity. David Lacey
  • Score: 9

2:31pm Wed 5 Mar 14

DarloXman says...

Alan Macnab wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with David Lacey. Labour Councils are notorious in thinking that they know how to spend people's money better than the people do. It's called a dependency culture. I stand on the principle of putting money back into people's pockets and giving them the freedom to decide to save or to spend as they chose. Taking money out of people's pockets as Labour Council's have been doing for years represses people's spending ability. I support this measure.
Respect Alan for posting under your own name.

Wholeheartedly agree with you on this.
[quote][p][bold]Alan Macnab[/bold] wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with David Lacey. Labour Councils are notorious in thinking that they know how to spend people's money better than the people do. It's called a dependency culture. I stand on the principle of putting money back into people's pockets and giving them the freedom to decide to save or to spend as they chose. Taking money out of people's pockets as Labour Council's have been doing for years represses people's spending ability. I support this measure.[/p][/quote]Respect Alan for posting under your own name. Wholeheartedly agree with you on this. DarloXman
  • Score: 11

2:32pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sineater says...

They've had over £221 million worth of cuts already,but when you read comments from people like Durham city,some people expect exactly the same amount of work to be done.The government preach moderation in spending ,but when it gets down to local level, people expect local councils to carry on as iff the recession never happened,Osbourne says cuts are needed after the election,but those people I have mentioned just don't take that in .
They've had over £221 million worth of cuts already,but when you read comments from people like Durham city,some people expect exactly the same amount of work to be done.The government preach moderation in spending ,but when it gets down to local level, people expect local councils to carry on as iff the recession never happened,Osbourne says cuts are needed after the election,but those people I have mentioned just don't take that in . sineater
  • Score: -8

3:24pm Wed 5 Mar 14

DURHAM CITY says...

sineater wrote:
Subsidised by the south easrt,then why do they get more funding than us? iff the money was distributed more fairly our council wouldn't have to raise the council tax
you really really need to wake up my god same old dribble honestly
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Subsidised by the south easrt,then why do they get more funding than us? iff the money was distributed more fairly our council wouldn't have to raise the council tax[/p][/quote]you really really need to wake up my god same old dribble honestly DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 4

6:00pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Jonn says...

Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.
Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it. Jonn
  • Score: 0

6:39pm Wed 5 Mar 14

behonest says...

Jonn wrote:
Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.
Is it me? I thought we all used banks, not just people who live in the South East.

Labour had to use hundreds of billions of our money to clear up their banking mess, but it was the whole country that faced ruin.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.[/p][/quote]Is it me? I thought we all used banks, not just people who live in the South East. Labour had to use hundreds of billions of our money to clear up their banking mess, but it was the whole country that faced ruin. behonest
  • Score: 6

8:21pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Jonn says...

behonest wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.
Is it me? I thought we all used banks, not just people who live in the South East.

Labour had to use hundreds of billions of our money to clear up their banking mess, but it was the whole country that faced ruin.
Mr Joe Public with his current account is nothing to the banks. The financial sector and the South East economy is a different world to the rest of UK. It is subsidised and we all pay the price.
I think you need your memory jogging, it was a western world banking mess, whoever was in power in 2008 would have had to bail them out.
Now the banks are paying out massive bonuses, maybe this Government can ask for the bail out money back?
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.[/p][/quote]Is it me? I thought we all used banks, not just people who live in the South East. Labour had to use hundreds of billions of our money to clear up their banking mess, but it was the whole country that faced ruin.[/p][/quote]Mr Joe Public with his current account is nothing to the banks. The financial sector and the South East economy is a different world to the rest of UK. It is subsidised and we all pay the price. I think you need your memory jogging, it was a western world banking mess, whoever was in power in 2008 would have had to bail them out. Now the banks are paying out massive bonuses, maybe this Government can ask for the bail out money back? Jonn
  • Score: -4

8:31pm Wed 5 Mar 14

laboursfoe says...

Jonn wrote:
behonest wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.
Is it me? I thought we all used banks, not just people who live in the South East.

Labour had to use hundreds of billions of our money to clear up their banking mess, but it was the whole country that faced ruin.
Mr Joe Public with his current account is nothing to the banks. The financial sector and the South East economy is a different world to the rest of UK. It is subsidised and we all pay the price.
I think you need your memory jogging, it was a western world banking mess, whoever was in power in 2008 would have had to bail them out.
Now the banks are paying out massive bonuses, maybe this Government can ask for the bail out money back?
Well you obviously don't understand the world of Banking then. You dismiss Manchester and the financial belt in Scotland.

In actual fact it is the North East that is a different world to the rest of the UK, and not always for the better. Not all roads lead south, although we forgive you for believing all you read in the Echo and Mirror.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.[/p][/quote]Is it me? I thought we all used banks, not just people who live in the South East. Labour had to use hundreds of billions of our money to clear up their banking mess, but it was the whole country that faced ruin.[/p][/quote]Mr Joe Public with his current account is nothing to the banks. The financial sector and the South East economy is a different world to the rest of UK. It is subsidised and we all pay the price. I think you need your memory jogging, it was a western world banking mess, whoever was in power in 2008 would have had to bail them out. Now the banks are paying out massive bonuses, maybe this Government can ask for the bail out money back?[/p][/quote]Well you obviously don't understand the world of Banking then. You dismiss Manchester and the financial belt in Scotland. In actual fact it is the North East that is a different world to the rest of the UK, and not always for the better. Not all roads lead south, although we forgive you for believing all you read in the Echo and Mirror. laboursfoe
  • Score: 8

8:52pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sineater says...

Behonest it was the bankers mess , caused by the tories deregulating the banking industry,how many more times !!
Behonest it was the bankers mess , caused by the tories deregulating the banking industry,how many more times !! sineater
  • Score: -11

8:55pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sineater says...

Durham city , It's you that needs to wake up , the whole of the recession passed you by didn't it ?
Durham city , It's you that needs to wake up , the whole of the recession passed you by didn't it ? sineater
  • Score: -11

9:07pm Wed 5 Mar 14

DURHAM CITY says...

sineater wrote:
Durham city , It's you that needs to wake up , the whole of the recession passed you by didn't it ?
keep living your dream haha my god what a laugh a minute you are
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Durham city , It's you that needs to wake up , the whole of the recession passed you by didn't it ?[/p][/quote]keep living your dream haha my god what a laugh a minute you are DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 9

9:34pm Wed 5 Mar 14

behonest says...

sineater wrote:
Behonest it was the bankers mess , caused by the tories deregulating the banking industry,how many more times !!
No matter how many times you state this ridiculous nonsense, it is still ridiculous nonsense. Mrs T left office in 1990, Labour's banking disaster occurred in 2008, after 11 years of a Labour government. You can lie, cheat and squirm all you like but it won't change the facts.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Behonest it was the bankers mess , caused by the tories deregulating the banking industry,how many more times !![/p][/quote]No matter how many times you state this ridiculous nonsense, it is still ridiculous nonsense. Mrs T left office in 1990, Labour's banking disaster occurred in 2008, after 11 years of a Labour government. You can lie, cheat and squirm all you like but it won't change the facts. behonest
  • Score: 10

9:07am Thu 6 Mar 14

DURHAM CITY says...

behonest wrote:
sineater wrote:
Behonest it was the bankers mess , caused by the tories deregulating the banking industry,how many more times !!
No matter how many times you state this ridiculous nonsense, it is still ridiculous nonsense. Mrs T left office in 1990, Labour's banking disaster occurred in 2008, after 11 years of a Labour government. You can lie, cheat and squirm all you like but it won't change the facts.
here here well said
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Behonest it was the bankers mess , caused by the tories deregulating the banking industry,how many more times !![/p][/quote]No matter how many times you state this ridiculous nonsense, it is still ridiculous nonsense. Mrs T left office in 1990, Labour's banking disaster occurred in 2008, after 11 years of a Labour government. You can lie, cheat and squirm all you like but it won't change the facts.[/p][/quote]here here well said DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 9

4:16pm Thu 6 Mar 14

BMD says...

DarloXman wrote:
Alan Macnab wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with David Lacey. Labour Councils are notorious in thinking that they know how to spend people's money better than the people do. It's called a dependency culture. I stand on the principle of putting money back into people's pockets and giving them the freedom to decide to save or to spend as they chose. Taking money out of people's pockets as Labour Council's have been doing for years represses people's spending ability. I support this measure.
Respect Alan for posting under your own name. Wholeheartedly agree with you on this.
Thank you Cllr Macnab - It’s a shame your Labour council colleagues refuse to debate on such comment boards.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan Macnab[/bold] wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with David Lacey. Labour Councils are notorious in thinking that they know how to spend people's money better than the people do. It's called a dependency culture. I stand on the principle of putting money back into people's pockets and giving them the freedom to decide to save or to spend as they chose. Taking money out of people's pockets as Labour Council's have been doing for years represses people's spending ability. I support this measure.[/p][/quote]Respect Alan for posting under your own name. Wholeheartedly agree with you on this.[/p][/quote]Thank you Cllr Macnab - It’s a shame your Labour council colleagues refuse to debate on such comment boards. BMD
  • Score: 2

10:35pm Thu 6 Mar 14

spragger says...

Only Labour think you can tax your way to Growth. Its working really well in France .. .
Only Labour think you can tax your way to Growth. Its working really well in France .. . spragger
  • Score: 5

10:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

spragger says...

sineater wrote:
Sorry David but you are lying again,thats a nasty habit in any language tut tut they cut over £220 million from Durhams budget ,now iff you don't want a rise in council tax ,tell them to give the funding back -comprende senor Lacey !!
Try some facts Eater of Sin it may help your case
- Surprise us all . .
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Sorry David but you are lying again,thats a nasty habit in any language tut tut they cut over £220 million from Durhams budget ,now iff you don't want a rise in council tax ,tell them to give the funding back -comprende senor Lacey !![/p][/quote]Try some facts Eater of Sin it may help your case - Surprise us all . . spragger
  • Score: 5

10:41pm Thu 6 Mar 14

spragger says...

Jonn wrote:
Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.
So how would the NE have avoided this scenario? Can you explain?
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Don't forget who has had the biggest subsidy of all time and who are still being subsidised to this very day with QE. Hundreds of billions, gone, forever. The South East would have crashed and burned without it.[/p][/quote]So how would the NE have avoided this scenario? Can you explain? spragger
  • Score: 3

9:40am Fri 7 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

Loving this! The support for the Labour hardly flooding in here. The Echo must be hating this!
Loving this! The support for the Labour hardly flooding in here. The Echo must be hating this! johnny_p
  • Score: 2

10:21am Fri 7 Mar 14

Daveindarlo says...

Think the headline here should of been "north east hardworking families welcome taxcuts". I've not heard anyone complain about this, I was expecting the town centres to be full of protests with placards saying "no tax cuts for us!" on reading the above headline.
Think the headline here should of been "north east hardworking families welcome taxcuts". I've not heard anyone complain about this, I was expecting the town centres to be full of protests with placards saying "no tax cuts for us!" on reading the above headline. Daveindarlo
  • Score: 4

4:34pm Fri 7 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

....and CLEGG and his LIBERAL PARTY have just given a pledge to INCREASE 'British Free Nanny State Benefits to ALL Asylum Seekers and immigrants. ALL to be paid for by the poor abused. down -trodden and oppressed British 'WORKING' Taxpayer. The Liberal party as much use to Britain as a 'chocolate-fireguard
'. Clear the way...... yet another new stampede of pig sick voters to 'UKIP'........CLEGG and the Liberals, takes NO NOTICE of 'decent working class people and treats us all with contempt.
....and CLEGG and his LIBERAL PARTY have just given a pledge to INCREASE 'British Free Nanny State Benefits to ALL Asylum Seekers and immigrants. ALL to be paid for by the poor abused. down -trodden and oppressed British 'WORKING' Taxpayer. The Liberal party as much use to Britain as a 'chocolate-fireguard '. Clear the way...... yet another new stampede of pig sick voters to 'UKIP'........CLEGG and the Liberals, takes NO NOTICE of 'decent working class people and treats us all with contempt. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Fri 7 Mar 14

MartinMo says...

I am all for tax cuts, puts more of my earnings back where it belongs, in my hands.

As for the rise in council tax, I am sure councils members could find the shortfall of cash they stste they need from other sources that that of the everyday worker. Some of them could in fasct take a 50%+ annual pay cut and still be left with more cash than the average hard working family.
I am all for tax cuts, puts more of my earnings back where it belongs, in my hands. As for the rise in council tax, I am sure councils members could find the shortfall of cash they stste they need from other sources that that of the everyday worker. Some of them could in fasct take a 50%+ annual pay cut and still be left with more cash than the average hard working family. MartinMo
  • Score: 7

10:37pm Fri 7 Mar 14

spragger says...

Anyone heard from Tolpuddle aka Loiuse of Stockton?
Anyone heard from Tolpuddle aka Loiuse of Stockton? spragger
  • Score: 2

9:31am Sat 8 Mar 14

Longbowman666 says...

MartinMo wrote:
I am all for tax cuts, puts more of my earnings back where it belongs, in my hands.

As for the rise in council tax, I am sure councils members could find the shortfall of cash they stste they need from other sources that that of the everyday worker. Some of them could in fasct take a 50%+ annual pay cut and still be left with more cash than the average hard working family.
Couldn't agree more - About time that working people saw more of their own hard won cash, not giving it all to those who can be seen to squander it, who, unlike them, get 20% off this and free that's (including a free school blazer for their kids, free school meals, free prescriptions and free access to courses etc)

Time for the working people to be able to enjoy the benefits of their labours, not for those who don't to enjoy benefits paid for by those who work for a living!

(And before anyone says it, yes I am aware that there are many people who are attempting to get a job and who are trying hard, but you only have to look around you to see that a great deal aren't and are content to have their dubious 'lifestyle' paid for by the state, which in turn derives that money from our taxes, and, as I work and always have done, this is a thing which I, and no doubt many others bitterly resent)
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: I am all for tax cuts, puts more of my earnings back where it belongs, in my hands. As for the rise in council tax, I am sure councils members could find the shortfall of cash they stste they need from other sources that that of the everyday worker. Some of them could in fasct take a 50%+ annual pay cut and still be left with more cash than the average hard working family.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more - About time that working people saw more of their own hard won cash, not giving it all to those who can be seen to squander it, who, unlike them, get 20% off this and free that's (including a free school blazer for their kids, free school meals, free prescriptions and free access to courses etc) Time for the working people to be able to enjoy the benefits of their labours, not for those who don't to enjoy benefits paid for by those who work for a living! (And before anyone says it, yes I am aware that there are many people who are attempting to get a job and who are trying hard, but you only have to look around you to see that a great deal aren't and are content to have their dubious 'lifestyle' paid for by the state, which in turn derives that money from our taxes, and, as I work and always have done, this is a thing which I, and no doubt many others bitterly resent) Longbowman666
  • Score: 2

9:36am Sat 8 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Hi Spragger. Maybe Polly is away on holiday. Mr JD has also evaporated - please send a message if you are still around.
Hi Spragger. Maybe Polly is away on holiday. Mr JD has also evaporated - please send a message if you are still around. David Lacey
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Sat 8 Mar 14

DURHAM CITY says...

spragger wrote:
sineater wrote:
Sorry David but you are lying again,thats a nasty habit in any language tut tut they cut over £220 million from Durhams budget ,now iff you don't want a rise in council tax ,tell them to give the funding back -comprende senor Lacey !!
Try some facts Eater of Sin it may help your case
- Surprise us all . .
You have no chance spragger haha
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Sorry David but you are lying again,thats a nasty habit in any language tut tut they cut over £220 million from Durhams budget ,now iff you don't want a rise in council tax ,tell them to give the funding back -comprende senor Lacey !![/p][/quote]Try some facts Eater of Sin it may help your case - Surprise us all . .[/p][/quote]You have no chance spragger haha DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 3

8:19pm Sat 8 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

***CLEGG and the Liberal Party' have just announced that they * intend to ensure that every criminal released from Jail is offered a COUNCIL HOUSE. Shocking and disgusting 'stinking liberal politics'. That's 'Clegg and Co' for you, all for the 'idle criminal workshy and free benefit state layabouts'. They are now also canvassing for INCREASED FREE STATE BENEFITS for all 'Asylum Seekers and immigrants'. Now how's that for political priorities NOTHING for decent working class, ****working*** people. 'CLEGG and his inept Liberals' , as much use to Britain and the 'British people as a chocolate Fireguard'. Yet another stampede to 'UKIP'. .
***CLEGG and the Liberal Party' have just announced that they * intend to ensure that every criminal released from Jail is offered a COUNCIL HOUSE. Shocking and disgusting 'stinking liberal politics'. That's 'Clegg and Co' for you, all for the 'idle criminal workshy and free benefit state layabouts'. They are now also canvassing for INCREASED FREE STATE BENEFITS for all 'Asylum Seekers and immigrants'. Now how's that for political priorities NOTHING for decent working class, ****working*** people. 'CLEGG and his inept Liberals' , as much use to Britain and the 'British people as a chocolate Fireguard'. Yet another stampede to 'UKIP'. . cushybutterfield
  • Score: -1

7:22am Sun 9 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Only 73 days to go and we will smash UK politics wide open.
.
UKIP for Britain and British patriots.
Only 73 days to go and we will smash UK politics wide open. . UKIP for Britain and British patriots. David Lacey
  • Score: -1

11:46am Sun 9 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

Re wasted TAXES. FACT. There are 752 illegal immigrants in Britain, currently on the run and ******avoiding British legal deportation and wanted by the Police.. Most have been convicted of very serious crime (which begs the question. How did they arrive in Britain in the first place. ?. Further FACT. During 2012,...............
. 4589 immigrants convicted of serious Crime and were deported from Britain which again begs the *further question. How did the majority of these also arrive in Britain in the first place.?. Therefore how many MILLIONS has the 'Mug' Working British Taxpayer forked out for this lot, Yes I am all for CUTTING TAXES. Yet another stampede David to 'UKIP', I cannot get there quick enough..
Re wasted TAXES. FACT. There are 752 illegal immigrants in Britain, currently on the run and ******avoiding British legal deportation and wanted by the Police.. Most have been convicted of very serious crime (which begs the question. How did they arrive in Britain in the first place. ?. Further FACT. During 2012,............... . 4589 immigrants convicted of serious Crime and were deported from Britain which again begs the *further question. How did the majority of these also arrive in Britain in the first place.?. Therefore how many MILLIONS has the 'Mug' Working British Taxpayer forked out for this lot, Yes I am all for CUTTING TAXES. Yet another stampede David to 'UKIP', I cannot get there quick enough.. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -1

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