Coalition welfare reforms forcing people into poverty - new Bishop of Durham

The Northern Echo: Bishop Paul Butler Bishop Paul Butler

THE new Bishop of Durham has set himself on a collision course with the Government before he is even installed, condemning the coalition’s welfare reforms as forcing people into food and fuel poverty.

Just days before his Durham Cathedral enthronement, the Right Reverend Paul Butler has put his name to an open letter published in today’s (Thursday, February 20) Daily Mirror saying too many people were having to choose between heating and eating following cutbacks and failures in the benefit system.

The letter, signed by 40 faith leaders including 27 bishops, says politicians have a moral incentive to do more to control food price hikes and to make sure that the welfare system offers the poor an essential safety net from hunger.

In a personal statement, Bishop Butler added: “I am deeply concerned about the growth in need for food banks and how they are now being relied upon in order to combat hunger.

“I have been made well aware of the issues of poverty and specifically the need for food banks and concern about hunger by those working on the ground in our parishes.

“I have been championing this cause for a while now and will continue to do so here in the North-East.”

The letter came after the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, Archbishop of Westminster Vincent Nichols, said it was a disgrace that in such a wealthy country there were people who could not afford to feed themselves.

And it prompted Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg to defend the coalition’s welfare programme, saying it was right to withdraw benefits from claimants who refused to look for work.

Speaking on his weekly radio phone-in on LBC, the Liberal Democrat leader accused Archbishop Nichols of exaggerating the extent to which people had been hit by the changes and he insisted at a time of major public spending cutbacks, the welfare budget could not escape unscathed.

For Labour, shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves said the bishops’ letter should be a wake-up call to David Cameron.

Bishop Butler will be enthroned on Saturday after being welcomed to the Durham Diocese in traditional style tomorrow (Friday, February 21), as he is presented with a falchion at Croft Bridge.

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2:36pm Thu 20 Feb 14

rat man says...

Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy!
Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy! rat man
  • Score: 19

2:54pm Thu 20 Feb 14

sineater says...

How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.
How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing. sineater
  • Score: -14

3:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

st-george1 says...

Archbishops of all people, publicly criticising the Government because they say such austerity measures are a disgrace, leaving people hungry and destitute … BUT much, much more concerning is that we have these holier-then-thou virginal churchmen sworn to a life of chastity, able to violate and sexual abuse many thousands of young children within their evil institution for decades.
Vultures WITH NO integrity people will say, including those who kept schtum about the evil paedophiles amongst them, so obviously unfit for purpose, who are simply hidden from view … much worse than being hungry and destitute I would say !
Archbishops of all people, publicly criticising the Government because they say such austerity measures are a disgrace, leaving people hungry and destitute … BUT much, much more concerning is that we have these holier-then-thou virginal churchmen sworn to a life of chastity, able to violate and sexual abuse many thousands of young children within their evil institution for decades. Vultures WITH NO integrity people will say, including those who kept schtum about the evil paedophiles amongst them, so obviously unfit for purpose, who are simply hidden from view … much worse than being hungry and destitute I would say ! st-george1
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4:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

rat man wrote:
Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy!
Well said rat man. The Church(es) are very good at spending other people's money whilst at the same time stockpilling their own and constantly pleading poverty! I also agree with st-george1 that the Church should put their own house in order before criticising others - the behaviour of some of their "staff" has been evil!

However much money some people are given they will always choose to live in "food and fuel" poverty - by spending the money on non essential items like alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, Sky, pets etc!
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy![/p][/quote]Well said rat man. The Church(es) are very good at spending other people's money whilst at the same time stockpilling their own and constantly pleading poverty! I also agree with st-george1 that the Church should put their own house in order before criticising others - the behaviour of some of their "staff" has been evil! However much money some people are given they will always choose to live in "food and fuel" poverty - by spending the money on non essential items like alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, Sky, pets etc! DarloXman
  • Score: 8

4:16pm Thu 20 Feb 14

David Lacey says...

I said this on an earlier thread
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Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them.
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I was right then and still am.
I said this on an earlier thread . Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them. . I was right then and still am. David Lacey
  • Score: 8

4:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

darloboss says...

David Lacey wrote:
I said this on an earlier thread
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Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them.
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I was right then and still am.
and crazy lacey knows it all again
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: I said this on an earlier thread . Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them. . I was right then and still am.[/p][/quote]and crazy lacey knows it all again darloboss
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5:04pm Thu 20 Feb 14

punkrocker says...

lacey once again sticking up for the rich. no compassion from this man.
lacey once again sticking up for the rich. no compassion from this man. punkrocker
  • Score: -2

5:15pm Thu 20 Feb 14

John Durham says...

David Lacey wrote:
I said this on an earlier thread
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Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them.
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I was right then and still am.
Wonder why you decided to cut the last part of your original post Mr Lacey - the full comment on the earlier thread was :

'Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them. The attitude of those on the left, whose bitter twisted views may yet prevail, sicken me to the stomach. Shame on you all. You truly are disgusting non-humans'.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: I said this on an earlier thread . Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them. . I was right then and still am.[/p][/quote]Wonder why you decided to cut the last part of your original post Mr Lacey - the full comment on the earlier thread was : 'Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them. The attitude of those on the left, whose bitter twisted views may yet prevail, sicken me to the stomach. Shame on you all. You truly are disgusting non-humans'. John Durham
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6:32pm Thu 20 Feb 14

sineater says...

We are non-humans for pointing out the abuse the government visit on poor people,i think it's the government that are non-human the way they treat people who can't fight back. And iff I was George,i wouldn't go in that direction, talking about abuse in the church,they still havn't got to all the politicians who abused kids in care in north wales.
We are non-humans for pointing out the abuse the government visit on poor people,i think it's the government that are non-human the way they treat people who can't fight back. And iff I was George,i wouldn't go in that direction, talking about abuse in the church,they still havn't got to all the politicians who abused kids in care in north wales. sineater
  • Score: -11

8:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Dierdre says...

rat man wrote:
Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy!
Spot on - the Church of England is one of the wealthiest organisations in this country.
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy![/p][/quote]Spot on - the Church of England is one of the wealthiest organisations in this country. Dierdre
  • Score: 10

8:38pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jonn says...

David Lacey wrote:
I said this on an earlier thread
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Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them.
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I was right then and still am.
Those 1% (approx 300,000) hand over 47 billion, contribute 30%, pay less now since the top rate was reduced to 45p.
What about the 3.7million who earned more than £35,000, they hand over even more, £57billion in tax, 34% of the total.
Funny how selective people can be with figures.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: I said this on an earlier thread . Poverty was eliminated in the UK about 50 years ago. Since then nobody has had to starve, live without a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. Yes - I know - some people have fallen on hard times. Some have been let down by the "system". Some have put themselves in harms way through choosing to take drugs and/or drink. But this country is one that provides an umbrella of security for all and that is something of which we should be immensely proud. This is a country where 1% of earners contribute 30% of income tax. Yet there are those who want more from them. . I was right then and still am.[/p][/quote]Those 1% (approx 300,000) hand over 47 billion, contribute 30%, pay less now since the top rate was reduced to 45p. What about the 3.7million who earned more than £35,000, they hand over even more, £57billion in tax, 34% of the total. Funny how selective people can be with figures. Jonn
  • Score: 7

8:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Dierdre says...

sineater wrote:
How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.
Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.[/p][/quote]Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !! Dierdre
  • Score: 5

8:56pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Dierdre wrote:
rat man wrote:
Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy!
Spot on - the Church of England is one of the wealthiest organisations in this country.
Not as wealthy as the Banks, and we gave them hundreds of billions of 'hardworking taxpayers' money. Now they are paying out massive bonuses, I'm not seeing any of it being paid back.
Not as wealthy as the Queen, she owns more land than anyone on earth, I don't see her contributing to her suffering subjects.
[quote][p][bold]Dierdre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy![/p][/quote]Spot on - the Church of England is one of the wealthiest organisations in this country.[/p][/quote]Not as wealthy as the Banks, and we gave them hundreds of billions of 'hardworking taxpayers' money. Now they are paying out massive bonuses, I'm not seeing any of it being paid back. Not as wealthy as the Queen, she owns more land than anyone on earth, I don't see her contributing to her suffering subjects. Jonn
  • Score: -12

8:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Dierdre wrote:
sineater wrote:
How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.
Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !!
Then why don't you go and tell your clergyman you have a problem with him living the high life?
[quote][p][bold]Dierdre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.[/p][/quote]Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !![/p][/quote]Then why don't you go and tell your clergyman you have a problem with him living the high life? Jonn
  • Score: 9

9:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Andyleigh says...

His opinion is irrelevant, just the same as religion in general.
His opinion is irrelevant, just the same as religion in general. Andyleigh
  • Score: 0

10:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

Jonn wrote:
Dierdre wrote:
sineater wrote:
How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.
Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !!
Then why don't you go and tell your clergyman you have a problem with him living the high life?
Jonn - how did you get on telling the Banker's your concerns over their financial prudence?
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dierdre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.[/p][/quote]Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !![/p][/quote]Then why don't you go and tell your clergyman you have a problem with him living the high life?[/p][/quote]Jonn - how did you get on telling the Banker's your concerns over their financial prudence? DarloXman
  • Score: 3

7:30am Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonn says...

DarloXman wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Dierdre wrote:
sineater wrote:
How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.
Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !!
Then why don't you go and tell your clergyman you have a problem with him living the high life?
Jonn - how did you get on telling the Banker's your concerns over their financial prudence?
Great thanks. I feel much better for it too.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dierdre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: How do you know that they are not contributing ?, pity the government do not have the same concern for ordinary people as the church does,then they might people decently ,instead of being made to look like criminals just for existing.[/p][/quote]Well let's put it this way. Christ said it was easier for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. What sort of houses do these people live in and what type of cars do they drive around - the clergy I am referring to of course? Mine is a single man and has a huge expensive 4 wheel drive. The house he lives in (alone) has at least 4 bedrooms and he holidays abroad at least twice a year. If Christ were on earth or if he came back, he would expect this vicar to take in the homeless - catch my drift? Don't get me talking of the Bishop's palace !![/p][/quote]Then why don't you go and tell your clergyman you have a problem with him living the high life?[/p][/quote]Jonn - how did you get on telling the Banker's your concerns over their financial prudence?[/p][/quote]Great thanks. I feel much better for it too. Jonn
  • Score: 1

7:31am Fri 21 Feb 14

Northcroft says...

"26 Bishops criticise PM over Welfare Reforms . . . ."

what on this earth would THEY know about life at the lower levels? They sit in their Ivory Towers cuccooned by wealth and pomposity. I despise these "men?", seen too many mansions where vicars and clergymen live, it disgusts me totally, they should each have a small room in the church they preach in, where they live a spartan existence on a hard bed with maybe a kettle and toaster.

I feel 100% confident that if Jesus Christ ever did exist he would be thoroughly disgusted at the way his name is preached, and even he may struggle to be as popular as the pope. . . .what on EARTH is that misguided fanaticism all about. . . .?
"26 Bishops criticise PM over Welfare Reforms . . . ." what on this earth would THEY know about life at the lower levels? They sit in their Ivory Towers cuccooned by wealth and pomposity. I despise these "men?", seen too many mansions where vicars and clergymen live, it disgusts me totally, they should each have a small room in the church they preach in, where they live a spartan existence on a hard bed with maybe a kettle and toaster. I feel 100% confident that if Jesus Christ ever did exist he would be thoroughly disgusted at the way his name is preached, and even he may struggle to be as popular as the pope. . . .what on EARTH is that misguided fanaticism all about. . . .? Northcroft
  • Score: 1

8:18am Fri 21 Feb 14

tubgut says...

The body politic of all colours have failed the North East it was recently described as a waste land. Our youth is continually described as lazy incompetent, well body politics this is your fault you managed to destroy the education system and managed to dumb it down from being third in the table to being twenty seventh well done. Oil revenue should have been used to improve our competitive position and not fund the dole queues. The UK is the worlds third most populated country and still they won't stop immigration until the position is stabilized. Rich are getting richer and the poorer its just tough.
We have a proud industrial history look at Nissan well managed and funded and it's world class manufacturer can we have more of the same. If only our politicians can focus on the important issues of jobs and more jobs instead of the almost daily demonstrations of corruption incompetents and morale bankruptcy.
The body politic of all colours have failed the North East it was recently described as a waste land. Our youth is continually described as lazy incompetent, well body politics this is your fault you managed to destroy the education system and managed to dumb it down from being third in the table to being twenty seventh well done. Oil revenue should have been used to improve our competitive position and not fund the dole queues. The UK is the worlds third most populated country and still they won't stop immigration until the position is stabilized. Rich are getting richer and the poorer its just tough. We have a proud industrial history look at Nissan well managed and funded and it's world class manufacturer can we have more of the same. If only our politicians can focus on the important issues of jobs and more jobs instead of the almost daily demonstrations of corruption incompetents and morale bankruptcy. tubgut
  • Score: 5

8:59am Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Northcroft wrote:
"26 Bishops criticise PM over Welfare Reforms . . . ."

what on this earth would THEY know about life at the lower levels? They sit in their Ivory Towers cuccooned by wealth and pomposity. I despise these "men?", seen too many mansions where vicars and clergymen live, it disgusts me totally, they should each have a small room in the church they preach in, where they live a spartan existence on a hard bed with maybe a kettle and toaster.

I feel 100% confident that if Jesus Christ ever did exist he would be thoroughly disgusted at the way his name is preached, and even he may struggle to be as popular as the pope. . . .what on EARTH is that misguided fanaticism all about. . . .?
If Jesus is watching now, surely he would be thoroughly disgusted with practicing christian Iain Duncan Smith, don't you think?
[quote][p][bold]Northcroft[/bold] wrote: "26 Bishops criticise PM over Welfare Reforms . . . ." what on this earth would THEY know about life at the lower levels? They sit in their Ivory Towers cuccooned by wealth and pomposity. I despise these "men?", seen too many mansions where vicars and clergymen live, it disgusts me totally, they should each have a small room in the church they preach in, where they live a spartan existence on a hard bed with maybe a kettle and toaster. I feel 100% confident that if Jesus Christ ever did exist he would be thoroughly disgusted at the way his name is preached, and even he may struggle to be as popular as the pope. . . .what on EARTH is that misguided fanaticism all about. . . .?[/p][/quote]If Jesus is watching now, surely he would be thoroughly disgusted with practicing christian Iain Duncan Smith, don't you think? Jonn
  • Score: 0

9:29am Fri 21 Feb 14

darloboss says...

Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ????
Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ???? darloboss
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9:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonn says...

darloboss wrote:
Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ????
Yes, a self confessed committed christian no less!
I wonder what Jesus would make of his work so far?
[quote][p][bold]darloboss[/bold] wrote: Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ????[/p][/quote]Yes, a self confessed committed christian no less! I wonder what Jesus would make of his work so far? Jonn
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10:30am Fri 21 Feb 14

sineater says...

All these digs at the church is getting away from the fact that the church is right about the damage the government is doing to poor people. Do you really believe that you have to make yourself destitute before you can comment on poverty ?
All these digs at the church is getting away from the fact that the church is right about the damage the government is doing to poor people. Do you really believe that you have to make yourself destitute before you can comment on poverty ? sineater
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10:33am Fri 21 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

Jonn wrote:
darloboss wrote:
Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ????
Yes, a self confessed committed christian no less!
I wonder what Jesus would make of his work so far?
Do you not think, that, as for example 'The 10 Commandments', the current welfare reforms are an attempt to improve society as a whole, the start of putting incentives in place for people to look for work and to provide for themselves as much as possible? Agree a lot more needs to be done - particularly for the youth and also to address the growing gap between the "top" and the "bottom" in terms of salaries - but reform has to start somewhere.

The incentives over the past couple of decades, particularly over Blair/Browns corrupt regime, was for the opposite - it incentivised many to opt out of society and to live an alternative life - being a drain on the slowly reducing majority of society's contributors.

If you don't agree with the current changes how would you tackle the much needed welfare reform - or would you just leave everything as was?
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]darloboss[/bold] wrote: Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ????[/p][/quote]Yes, a self confessed committed christian no less! I wonder what Jesus would make of his work so far?[/p][/quote]Do you not think, that, as for example 'The 10 Commandments', the current welfare reforms are an attempt to improve society as a whole, the start of putting incentives in place for people to look for work and to provide for themselves as much as possible? Agree a lot more needs to be done - particularly for the youth and also to address the growing gap between the "top" and the "bottom" in terms of salaries - but reform has to start somewhere. The incentives over the past couple of decades, particularly over Blair/Browns corrupt regime, was for the opposite - it incentivised many to opt out of society and to live an alternative life - being a drain on the slowly reducing majority of society's contributors. If you don't agree with the current changes how would you tackle the much needed welfare reform - or would you just leave everything as was? DarloXman
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Fri 21 Feb 14

David Lacey says...

They have no answer. At least not one that stands up to analysis. Full of bile and venom. Hating the rich, applauding the work shy. Against cuts but unable to offer any sensible measures needed to reduce the deficit and debt. They live in a fantasy world.
They have no answer. At least not one that stands up to analysis. Full of bile and venom. Hating the rich, applauding the work shy. Against cuts but unable to offer any sensible measures needed to reduce the deficit and debt. They live in a fantasy world. David Lacey
  • Score: -1

3:43pm Fri 21 Feb 14

sineater says...

Why hate the rich? only those who use their money and power to abuse poor people ,err like IDS ,for E.G.,and just who is applauding the workshy,when has anyone that comments on hear said it is a good thing avoiding work,n ame one please David,and iff you can't shut up generalising about people you don't even know . Not having an answer ,the last government had the answer,by not being so harsh with cuts,so as to giving people a chance to actually put some money into the economy,instead of what the new government did,choking off the ec onomy when it was just starting to recover,throughing thousands onto the dole,where they can't contribute .Osbourne said the job is not done yet,which translates as,all the cut backs they have made ,have been in vain ,and iff re-elected we will get more of the same which will have the same effect,dragging the economy further and further down,with no hope in site.
Why hate the rich? only those who use their money and power to abuse poor people ,err like IDS ,for E.G.,and just who is applauding the workshy,when has anyone that comments on hear said it is a good thing avoiding work,n ame one please David,and iff you can't shut up generalising about people you don't even know . Not having an answer ,the last government had the answer,by not being so harsh with cuts,so as to giving people a chance to actually put some money into the economy,instead of what the new government did,choking off the ec onomy when it was just starting to recover,throughing thousands onto the dole,where they can't contribute .Osbourne said the job is not done yet,which translates as,all the cut backs they have made ,have been in vain ,and iff re-elected we will get more of the same which will have the same effect,dragging the economy further and further down,with no hope in site. sineater
  • Score: -3

5:54pm Fri 21 Feb 14

johnny_p says...

"Coalition welfare reforms forcing people into poverty"?

Sorry Bishop, I thought it was Labour who screwed up the economy and forced people into (relative) poverty.

Oh and Bishop- maybe stick to religion and keep your nose out of politics.
"Coalition welfare reforms forcing people into poverty"? Sorry Bishop, I thought it was Labour who screwed up the economy and forced people into (relative) poverty. Oh and Bishop- maybe stick to religion and keep your nose out of politics. johnny_p
  • Score: -2

5:58pm Fri 21 Feb 14

johnny_p says...

sineater wrote:
Why hate the rich? only those who use their money and power to abuse poor people ,err like IDS ,for E.G.,and just who is applauding the workshy,when has anyone that comments on hear said it is a good thing avoiding work,n ame one please David,and iff you can't shut up generalising about people you don't even know . Not having an answer ,the last government had the answer,by not being so harsh with cuts,so as to giving people a chance to actually put some money into the economy,instead of what the new government did,choking off the ec onomy when it was just starting to recover,throughing thousands onto the dole,where they can't contribute .Osbourne said the job is not done yet,which translates as,all the cut backs they have made ,have been in vain ,and iff re-elected we will get more of the same which will have the same effect,dragging the economy further and further down,with no hope in site.
I wish Tony Blair could practice his true Socialist beliefs and distribute some of his fabulous wealth amongst "the poor".

But he won't. He's got a skilled team making sure he minimises his tax liability.

Funny though isn't it Sineater? You detest all those rich Tory posh boys but conveniently choose to forget that Labour has just as many.

Keep posting your radical left wing nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Why hate the rich? only those who use their money and power to abuse poor people ,err like IDS ,for E.G.,and just who is applauding the workshy,when has anyone that comments on hear said it is a good thing avoiding work,n ame one please David,and iff you can't shut up generalising about people you don't even know . Not having an answer ,the last government had the answer,by not being so harsh with cuts,so as to giving people a chance to actually put some money into the economy,instead of what the new government did,choking off the ec onomy when it was just starting to recover,throughing thousands onto the dole,where they can't contribute .Osbourne said the job is not done yet,which translates as,all the cut backs they have made ,have been in vain ,and iff re-elected we will get more of the same which will have the same effect,dragging the economy further and further down,with no hope in site.[/p][/quote]I wish Tony Blair could practice his true Socialist beliefs and distribute some of his fabulous wealth amongst "the poor". But he won't. He's got a skilled team making sure he minimises his tax liability. Funny though isn't it Sineater? You detest all those rich Tory posh boys but conveniently choose to forget that Labour has just as many. Keep posting your radical left wing nonsense. johnny_p
  • Score: 4

6:22pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonn says...

DarloXman wrote:
Jonn wrote:
darloboss wrote:
Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ????
Yes, a self confessed committed christian no less!
I wonder what Jesus would make of his work so far?
Do you not think, that, as for example 'The 10 Commandments', the current welfare reforms are an attempt to improve society as a whole, the start of putting incentives in place for people to look for work and to provide for themselves as much as possible? Agree a lot more needs to be done - particularly for the youth and also to address the growing gap between the "top" and the "bottom" in terms of salaries - but reform has to start somewhere.

The incentives over the past couple of decades, particularly over Blair/Browns corrupt regime, was for the opposite - it incentivised many to opt out of society and to live an alternative life - being a drain on the slowly reducing majority of society's contributors.

If you don't agree with the current changes how would you tackle the much needed welfare reform - or would you just leave everything as was?
If you are going to use the 10 Commandments as a yardstick to measure politics and politicians, then we shall find the biggest hypocrites of all.
Let's take 'Thou shalt not lie' shall we. Head of welfare, Iain Duncan Smith has a well proven history of lieing, from his CV to his misuse of statistics to his misleading of Parliament etc etc... Not a good example to set. In theory, he should have been sacked for misleading Parliament but that's another story.
The welfare reforms are not about an attempt to 'improve society', whatever that means, they are ideological. Furthermore, why should I be dictated to by morally corrupt people and what right do a Government without mandate have to impose such massive social changes on our society?
You are correct, Blair/Browns regime was corrupt, but no more than the previous Government (remember that Blair was really a Tory in Labour clothing). The previous Tory Government deliberately put nearly 1 million people on incapacity benefit to bring the unemployment figures down.
So, we now have 30 odd years of being Governed by liars and cheats who have total disregard and contempt for the mass population.
What changes would I make to welfare? Firstly, I would remove the Cabinet and the majority of MP's from Parliament and replace them with people who actually have some clue as to what they are doing, they should at least have some qualification/experi
ence in their chosen field. They should then listen to the people and carryout their will rather than the will of Corporate sponsors as is the situation now.
It is no coincidence that Corporates and major companies who have lobbied parliament have ended up with welfare contracts worth tens of billions.
What we have now is a Government who want a race to the bottom for wages for the mass workforce in order for business to profiteer further globally. This includes eroding workers basic rights and instilling a fear factor of losing your job, having no safety net gives amazing power to employees. They won't tell you this but that's the idea.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]darloboss[/bold] wrote: Iain Duncan Smith, is a christian ????[/p][/quote]Yes, a self confessed committed christian no less! I wonder what Jesus would make of his work so far?[/p][/quote]Do you not think, that, as for example 'The 10 Commandments', the current welfare reforms are an attempt to improve society as a whole, the start of putting incentives in place for people to look for work and to provide for themselves as much as possible? Agree a lot more needs to be done - particularly for the youth and also to address the growing gap between the "top" and the "bottom" in terms of salaries - but reform has to start somewhere. The incentives over the past couple of decades, particularly over Blair/Browns corrupt regime, was for the opposite - it incentivised many to opt out of society and to live an alternative life - being a drain on the slowly reducing majority of society's contributors. If you don't agree with the current changes how would you tackle the much needed welfare reform - or would you just leave everything as was?[/p][/quote]If you are going to use the 10 Commandments as a yardstick to measure politics and politicians, then we shall find the biggest hypocrites of all. Let's take 'Thou shalt not lie' shall we. Head of welfare, Iain Duncan Smith has a well proven history of lieing, from his CV to his misuse of statistics to his misleading of Parliament etc etc... Not a good example to set. In theory, he should have been sacked for misleading Parliament but that's another story. The welfare reforms are not about an attempt to 'improve society', whatever that means, they are ideological. Furthermore, why should I be dictated to by morally corrupt people and what right do a Government without mandate have to impose such massive social changes on our society? You are correct, Blair/Browns regime was corrupt, but no more than the previous Government (remember that Blair was really a Tory in Labour clothing). The previous Tory Government deliberately put nearly 1 million people on incapacity benefit to bring the unemployment figures down. So, we now have 30 odd years of being Governed by liars and cheats who have total disregard and contempt for the mass population. What changes would I make to welfare? Firstly, I would remove the Cabinet and the majority of MP's from Parliament and replace them with people who actually have some clue as to what they are doing, they should at least have some qualification/experi ence in their chosen field. They should then listen to the people and carryout their will rather than the will of Corporate sponsors as is the situation now. It is no coincidence that Corporates and major companies who have lobbied parliament have ended up with welfare contracts worth tens of billions. What we have now is a Government who want a race to the bottom for wages for the mass workforce in order for business to profiteer further globally. This includes eroding workers basic rights and instilling a fear factor of losing your job, having no safety net gives amazing power to employees. They won't tell you this but that's the idea. Jonn
  • Score: 2

7:28pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Furthermore, if welfare is to be 'reformed', it should be done without Government launching a propaganda campaign to divide sections of society with the aid of media 'friends'. To use downright lies, issue misleading statistics, speak unfounded beliefs, use divisive terminology, defend corrupt medical assessments, threaten Job Centre staff to issue more sanctions, fiddle the employment stats, fiddle the unemployment stats etc etc... just breeds more contempt. Anyone who takes the time to investigate this Governments claims, knows they are lieing out of their back teeth on many welfare issues, it's a fact.
There will never be full employment, the job market demands it, so why demonise all the unemployed?
There will always be people who are genuinely sick or disabled, why demonise them all?
1 million on the work programme, working for free, Government paying IT firms and Corporates thousands per unemployed person to get free labour, taking away genuine jobs, there's only one winner here, crazy, give them a proper job in the first place!
Furthermore, if welfare is to be 'reformed', it should be done without Government launching a propaganda campaign to divide sections of society with the aid of media 'friends'. To use downright lies, issue misleading statistics, speak unfounded beliefs, use divisive terminology, defend corrupt medical assessments, threaten Job Centre staff to issue more sanctions, fiddle the employment stats, fiddle the unemployment stats etc etc... just breeds more contempt. Anyone who takes the time to investigate this Governments claims, knows they are lieing out of their back teeth on many welfare issues, it's a fact. There will never be full employment, the job market demands it, so why demonise all the unemployed? There will always be people who are genuinely sick or disabled, why demonise them all? 1 million on the work programme, working for free, Government paying IT firms and Corporates thousands per unemployed person to get free labour, taking away genuine jobs, there's only one winner here, crazy, give them a proper job in the first place! Jonn
  • Score: 3

7:28pm Fri 21 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

"And it prompted Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg to defend the coalition’s welfare programme, saying it was right to withdraw benefits from claimants who refused to look for work. "

A truer statement has never been spoken. I was brought up to believe that if I wanted something from life I would have to work for it so why should those whom have spent a lifetime on benefits be allowed to continue doing so.

For those of you whom claim the poor are being hard done by take a moment to think about what is still being claimed and where it comes from.

If you live a life relying on charity then at times you will have to learn to survive on very little.

What is very wrong is when those willing to and do work are being forced ever closer to the poverty line whilst being forced to subsidies the welfare system.
"And it prompted Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg to defend the coalition’s welfare programme, saying it was right to withdraw benefits from claimants who refused to look for work. " A truer statement has never been spoken. I was brought up to believe that if I wanted something from life I would have to work for it so why should those whom have spent a lifetime on benefits be allowed to continue doing so. For those of you whom claim the poor are being hard done by take a moment to think about what is still being claimed and where it comes from. If you live a life relying on charity then at times you will have to learn to survive on very little. What is very wrong is when those willing to and do work are being forced ever closer to the poverty line whilst being forced to subsidies the welfare system. MartinMo
  • Score: 2

7:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Daveindarlo says...

Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy.
In Thessalonians the apostle does write
Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy. In Thessalonians the apostle does write Daveindarlo
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Today, a perfect example of this Governments lies, deceit, denial and cover up.
On Wednesday, 144 seperate protests, involving thousands of people outside ATOS centres nationwide, hardly reported by any MSM, or even the BBC.
Today, ATOS want out of their work capability assessment contract. An Atos spokesman said last night: "In its current form it is not working for claimants, for DWP or for Atos Healthcare.
Shouldn't the Government have listened to the people? They've been telling them it wasn't working for 3 or 4 years. Idiot politicians, wasting hundreds of millions, 10,600 dead and counting, all because of ideology, again.
Today, a perfect example of this Governments lies, deceit, denial and cover up. On Wednesday, 144 seperate protests, involving thousands of people outside ATOS centres nationwide, hardly reported by any MSM, or even the BBC. Today, ATOS want out of their work capability assessment contract. An Atos spokesman said last night: "In its current form it is not working for claimants, for DWP or for Atos Healthcare. Shouldn't the Government have listened to the people? They've been telling them it wasn't working for 3 or 4 years. Idiot politicians, wasting hundreds of millions, 10,600 dead and counting, all because of ideology, again. Jonn
  • Score: 3

7:47pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Jonn says...

MartinMo wrote:
"And it prompted Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg to defend the coalition’s welfare programme, saying it was right to withdraw benefits from claimants who refused to look for work. "

A truer statement has never been spoken. I was brought up to believe that if I wanted something from life I would have to work for it so why should those whom have spent a lifetime on benefits be allowed to continue doing so.

For those of you whom claim the poor are being hard done by take a moment to think about what is still being claimed and where it comes from.

If you live a life relying on charity then at times you will have to learn to survive on very little.

What is very wrong is when those willing to and do work are being forced ever closer to the poverty line whilst being forced to subsidies the welfare system.
I seem to remember on previous posts, you claim benefits yourself?
So, it's ok for you but not others?
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: "And it prompted Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg to defend the coalition’s welfare programme, saying it was right to withdraw benefits from claimants who refused to look for work. " A truer statement has never been spoken. I was brought up to believe that if I wanted something from life I would have to work for it so why should those whom have spent a lifetime on benefits be allowed to continue doing so. For those of you whom claim the poor are being hard done by take a moment to think about what is still being claimed and where it comes from. If you live a life relying on charity then at times you will have to learn to survive on very little. What is very wrong is when those willing to and do work are being forced ever closer to the poverty line whilst being forced to subsidies the welfare system.[/p][/quote]I seem to remember on previous posts, you claim benefits yourself? So, it's ok for you but not others? Jonn
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Daveindarlo says...

Daveindarlo wrote:
Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy.
In Thessalonians the apostle does write
That ithose who don't work don't eat.
The system needs reforming so that people are encouraged to work if they can, so we can still afford to support the needy
[quote][p][bold]Daveindarlo[/bold] wrote: Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy. In Thessalonians the apostle does write[/p][/quote]That ithose who don't work don't eat. The system needs reforming so that people are encouraged to work if they can, so we can still afford to support the needy Daveindarlo
  • Score: 1

1:33pm Sat 22 Feb 14

sineater says...

Jonny, I have posted elsewhere this week that I am all for ,honest, hard working people being successful,socialism as has been stated many time on this blog is not about jealousy. How do you know Blair does not donate to charity? do you have access to his accounts?and when was Blair ever a true socialist.last week David Lacey in so many words said he was glad your are a tory supporter,but it's a shame you're as thick as f***k
Jonny, I have posted elsewhere this week that I am all for ,honest, hard working people being successful,socialism as has been stated many time on this blog is not about jealousy. How do you know Blair does not donate to charity? do you have access to his accounts?and when was Blair ever a true socialist.last week David Lacey in so many words said he was glad your are a tory supporter,but it's a shame you're as thick as f***k sineater
  • Score: -5

1:36pm Sat 22 Feb 14

sineater says...

DAVEINDARLO, bIT OF A CONTRADICTION ISN'T IT THOSE THAT WON'T WORK WON'T EAT,THEY ARE MAKING SURE THOSE WHO CAN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THEIR HEALTH CAN'T EAT,THEY ARE STARVING THE NEEDY,WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALISE THAT.
DAVEINDARLO, bIT OF A CONTRADICTION ISN'T IT THOSE THAT WON'T WORK WON'T EAT,THEY ARE MAKING SURE THOSE WHO CAN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THEIR HEALTH CAN'T EAT,THEY ARE STARVING THE NEEDY,WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALISE THAT. sineater
  • Score: -4

2:46pm Sat 22 Feb 14

spragger says...

The CofE has billions of pounds in cash, shares & assets, so why not use it directly to help the poor.
It would do oh so much more than all their pontificating.
No, they would rather that poor taxpayers fund the bill
Anyone but them.
What a bunch of hypocrites they are there Bishops, et al ..
The CofE has billions of pounds in cash, shares & assets, so why not use it directly to help the poor. It would do oh so much more than all their pontificating. No, they would rather that poor taxpayers fund the bill Anyone but them. What a bunch of hypocrites they are there Bishops, et al .. spragger
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Daveindarlo wrote:
Daveindarlo wrote:
Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy.
In Thessalonians the apostle does write
That ithose who don't work don't eat.
The system needs reforming so that people are encouraged to work if they can, so we can still afford to support the needy
What about those who are too ill to work but are told by a corrupted medical assessor that they can work. ATOS finally admitted their assessments weren't working 2 days ago. Bit late for the hundreds of thousands of lives they have messed up.
[quote][p][bold]Daveindarlo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daveindarlo[/bold] wrote: Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy. In Thessalonians the apostle does write[/p][/quote]That ithose who don't work don't eat. The system needs reforming so that people are encouraged to work if they can, so we can still afford to support the needy[/p][/quote]What about those who are too ill to work but are told by a corrupted medical assessor that they can work. ATOS finally admitted their assessments weren't working 2 days ago. Bit late for the hundreds of thousands of lives they have messed up. Jonn
  • Score: 1

7:36pm Sat 22 Feb 14

sineater says...

The church has been helping charities for years,who do you think helps run food banks. And the same old tired answer when the chuch is involved,yes they could dissolve their assets and do a lot of good with that money,then who would maintain all the churches,e.t.c,why doesn't the people causing all the poverty in the banking industry pay for all the hardship they have caused,and why doesn't that pious christian IDS PUT HIS HAND IN HIS POCKET (OR SHOULD THAT BE HIS IN-LAWS POCKETS) AND HELP OUT!!!
The church has been helping charities for years,who do you think helps run food banks. And the same old tired answer when the chuch is involved,yes they could dissolve their assets and do a lot of good with that money,then who would maintain all the churches,e.t.c,why doesn't the people causing all the poverty in the banking industry pay for all the hardship they have caused,and why doesn't that pious christian IDS PUT HIS HAND IN HIS POCKET (OR SHOULD THAT BE HIS IN-LAWS POCKETS) AND HELP OUT!!! sineater
  • Score: -1

7:47pm Sat 22 Feb 14

sineater says...

Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government.
Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government. sineater
  • Score: -4

7:47pm Sat 22 Feb 14

sineater says...

Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government.
Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government. sineater
  • Score: -4

12:14am Sun 23 Feb 14

theWorkerScum says...

rat man wrote:
Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy!
Ohh but they do, they own stakes in various institutions such as wonga who help out the needy all the time.
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Pity the Bishop's social conscience doesn't stretch far enough to make him persuade the Church of England to donate some of their wealth to the needy![/p][/quote]Ohh but they do, they own stakes in various institutions such as wonga who help out the needy all the time. theWorkerScum
  • Score: 2

2:06pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Shafto Way says...

Atos healthcare has confirmed it is seeking an early end to its government contract check out the bbc website for confirmation http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-26
287199 I wonder how many jobs will go and how many more people will be unemployed
Atos healthcare has confirmed it is seeking an early end to its government contract check out the bbc website for confirmation http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-26 287199 I wonder how many jobs will go and how many more people will be unemployed Shafto Way
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Sun 23 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

Jonn wrote:
MartinMo wrote:
"And it prompted Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg to defend the coalition’s welfare programme, saying it was right to withdraw benefits from claimants who refused to look for work. "

A truer statement has never been spoken. I was brought up to believe that if I wanted something from life I would have to work for it so why should those whom have spent a lifetime on benefits be allowed to continue doing so.

For those of you whom claim the poor are being hard done by take a moment to think about what is still being claimed and where it comes from.

If you live a life relying on charity then at times you will have to learn to survive on very little.

What is very wrong is when those willing to and do work are being forced ever closer to the poverty line whilst being forced to subsidies the welfare system.
I seem to remember on previous posts, you claim benefits yourself?
So, it's ok for you but not others?
That is nearly amusing so lets do the maths.

As I work full time I am in receipt of benefits for the following:

Standard child support = £32 pound a week (£128 per standard 4 week month)
Working tax/child tax credit = £30 a month
Wife receives DLA =£18 per week (£72 a month)

Total = average £230 a month

To answer your question, yes I do receive benefits (as do many working families), my point, I would love to see all benefits abolished if I got to keep £500 taken off my monthly from my wages in tax/income to compensate the benefit system.

Am I so wrong wanting to keep what's mine and standing on my own 2 feet, I am so wrong for not wanting to pay into a system supposedly designed to help others when the greater % of those are not willing to help themselves, happy to life on the hard work of others.

So before you try to pick me up, I pay more in taxation than I have ever received from the benefit system.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: "And it prompted Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg to defend the coalition’s welfare programme, saying it was right to withdraw benefits from claimants who refused to look for work. " A truer statement has never been spoken. I was brought up to believe that if I wanted something from life I would have to work for it so why should those whom have spent a lifetime on benefits be allowed to continue doing so. For those of you whom claim the poor are being hard done by take a moment to think about what is still being claimed and where it comes from. If you live a life relying on charity then at times you will have to learn to survive on very little. What is very wrong is when those willing to and do work are being forced ever closer to the poverty line whilst being forced to subsidies the welfare system.[/p][/quote]I seem to remember on previous posts, you claim benefits yourself? So, it's ok for you but not others?[/p][/quote]That is nearly amusing so lets do the maths. As I work full time I am in receipt of benefits for the following: Standard child support = £32 pound a week (£128 per standard 4 week month) Working tax/child tax credit = £30 a month Wife receives DLA =£18 per week (£72 a month) Total = average £230 a month To answer your question, yes I do receive benefits (as do many working families), my point, I would love to see all benefits abolished if I got to keep £500 taken off my monthly from my wages in tax/income to compensate the benefit system. Am I so wrong wanting to keep what's mine and standing on my own 2 feet, I am so wrong for not wanting to pay into a system supposedly designed to help others when the greater % of those are not willing to help themselves, happy to life on the hard work of others. So before you try to pick me up, I pay more in taxation than I have ever received from the benefit system. MartinMo
  • Score: 2

4:26pm Sun 23 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government.
Could you please stop rounding up those claiming benefits are sick/elderly. The disabled, sick and elderly make up only a small % of the money drained from the benefit system. All those other workshy and lazy gits too idle to turn their lives around and happy to survive within the benefit culture are the main cause of this countries problems. I have seen it all too often, people going out their way not to work but claiming JSA, it's a joke to the system.

The system should help those in actual need but not those who are too idle to help themselves.

The benefit culture has been around a long time before the banks screwed up.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government.[/p][/quote]Could you please stop rounding up those claiming benefits are sick/elderly. The disabled, sick and elderly make up only a small % of the money drained from the benefit system. All those other workshy and lazy gits too idle to turn their lives around and happy to survive within the benefit culture are the main cause of this countries problems. I have seen it all too often, people going out their way not to work but claiming JSA, it's a joke to the system. The system should help those in actual need but not those who are too idle to help themselves. The benefit culture has been around a long time before the banks screwed up. MartinMo
  • Score: 4

5:49pm Sun 23 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

Daveindarlo wrote:
Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy.
In Thessalonians the apostle does write
Nice.....

If am to be judged as greedy by a the longest selling fictional story book for wanting to keep more if not all of what I earn then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]Daveindarlo[/bold] wrote: Ok the bible commands us to look after the poor and needy and says god will judge those who are greedy. In Thessalonians the apostle does write[/p][/quote]Nice..... If am to be judged as greedy by a the longest selling fictional story book for wanting to keep more if not all of what I earn then so be it. MartinMo
  • Score: 1

6:11pm Sun 23 Feb 14

sineater says...

Martinmo So we should forget the people hit the hardest by benefit cuts ? sorry but i'm not as selfish as you and will continue to defend the vunerable members of society The b enefit culture has been around for a long time ,yes and it was started in the eighties by the tories when they created invalidity benefit,and a lot of the people put on that benefit weren't disabled they were put there to doctor the unemployment figures so iff you need to blame someone look to the tories.
Martinmo So we should forget the people hit the hardest by benefit cuts ? sorry but i'm not as selfish as you and will continue to defend the vunerable members of society The b enefit culture has been around for a long time ,yes and it was started in the eighties by the tories when they created invalidity benefit,and a lot of the people put on that benefit weren't disabled they were put there to doctor the unemployment figures so iff you need to blame someone look to the tories. sineater
  • Score: -5

6:32pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Jonn says...

MartinMo wrote:
sineater wrote:
Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government.
Could you please stop rounding up those claiming benefits are sick/elderly. The disabled, sick and elderly make up only a small % of the money drained from the benefit system. All those other workshy and lazy gits too idle to turn their lives around and happy to survive within the benefit culture are the main cause of this countries problems. I have seen it all too often, people going out their way not to work but claiming JSA, it's a joke to the system.

The system should help those in actual need but not those who are too idle to help themselves.

The benefit culture has been around a long time before the banks screwed up.
Actually, the disabled, sick and elderly make up a far greater % of the benefits bill than those on JSA so you are entirely wrong. Look at a breakdown cost of the benefits bill sometime.
47% of UK benefit spending goes on state pensions, that's £74.22bn a year.
Next is housing benefit of £16.94bn then Disability living allowance of £12.57bn. Jobseekers' allowance is actually one of the smaller benefits - £4.91bn.
So, just out of interest, can you tell me how many of those 1.22 million on JSA are workshy idle lazy gits?
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jonny what is radical about wanting fairness in society,it is radical right-wing policies that are putting poor people into debt,what makes these sort of policies right and left wing ones wrong? It's very easy to push disabled and elderly people about,they can't fight back,they can't do the same to bankers because the banks tell the tories what to do, and if you approve of putting the sick and disabled ,and elderly into destitution you are as sick minded as the government.[/p][/quote]Could you please stop rounding up those claiming benefits are sick/elderly. The disabled, sick and elderly make up only a small % of the money drained from the benefit system. All those other workshy and lazy gits too idle to turn their lives around and happy to survive within the benefit culture are the main cause of this countries problems. I have seen it all too often, people going out their way not to work but claiming JSA, it's a joke to the system. The system should help those in actual need but not those who are too idle to help themselves. The benefit culture has been around a long time before the banks screwed up.[/p][/quote]Actually, the disabled, sick and elderly make up a far greater % of the benefits bill than those on JSA so you are entirely wrong. Look at a breakdown cost of the benefits bill sometime. 47% of UK benefit spending goes on state pensions, that's £74.22bn a year. Next is housing benefit of £16.94bn then Disability living allowance of £12.57bn. Jobseekers' allowance is actually one of the smaller benefits - £4.91bn. So, just out of interest, can you tell me how many of those 1.22 million on JSA are workshy idle lazy gits? Jonn
  • Score: 0

11:41pm Sun 23 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

sineater wrote:
Martinmo So we should forget the people hit the hardest by benefit cuts ? sorry but i'm not as selfish as you and will continue to defend the vunerable members of society The b enefit culture has been around for a long time ,yes and it was started in the eighties by the tories when they created invalidity benefit,and a lot of the people put on that benefit weren't disabled they were put there to doctor the unemployment figures so iff you need to blame someone look to the tories.
what utter dribble
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Martinmo So we should forget the people hit the hardest by benefit cuts ? sorry but i'm not as selfish as you and will continue to defend the vunerable members of society The b enefit culture has been around for a long time ,yes and it was started in the eighties by the tories when they created invalidity benefit,and a lot of the people put on that benefit weren't disabled they were put there to doctor the unemployment figures so iff you need to blame someone look to the tories.[/p][/quote]what utter dribble DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 0

8:45am Mon 24 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

John

You seem to have missed out multiple benefits from your list so your figures are rather pointless.

In general, you often find individuals claiming multiple benefits-housing+JSA
+child+CTC and in many cases DLA (fraudulently). This stemmed from Sineaters last comment which for DC, is not dribble but fact. A lot of unemployed (not job seekers) where put onto DLA just to lower the unemployment figure and too this day remain claimimg the higher level whilst those actually in need find it hard in the current system to be accepted for the apprpiate DLA.

There are many families happy to live in the benefit culture because they have a higher household income than many full time workers. This is what is wrong with this country and it's this that needs seriously addressed and rectified.
John You seem to have missed out multiple benefits from your list so your figures are rather pointless. In general, you often find individuals claiming multiple benefits-housing+JSA +child+CTC and in many cases DLA (fraudulently). This stemmed from Sineaters last comment which for DC, is not dribble but fact. A lot of unemployed (not job seekers) where put onto DLA just to lower the unemployment figure and too this day remain claimimg the higher level whilst those actually in need find it hard in the current system to be accepted for the apprpiate DLA. There are many families happy to live in the benefit culture because they have a higher household income than many full time workers. This is what is wrong with this country and it's this that needs seriously addressed and rectified. MartinMo
  • Score: 3

10:39am Mon 24 Feb 14

Jonn says...

MartinMo wrote:
John

You seem to have missed out multiple benefits from your list so your figures are rather pointless.

In general, you often find individuals claiming multiple benefits-housing+JSA

+child+CTC and in many cases DLA (fraudulently). This stemmed from Sineaters last comment which for DC, is not dribble but fact. A lot of unemployed (not job seekers) where put onto DLA just to lower the unemployment figure and too this day remain claimimg the higher level whilst those actually in need find it hard in the current system to be accepted for the apprpiate DLA.

There are many families happy to live in the benefit culture because they have a higher household income than many full time workers. This is what is wrong with this country and it's this that needs seriously addressed and rectified.
You said the sick, disabled and elderly only use a small % of the benefits bill, did you not?
That is entirely incorrect. 47% of the benefits bill alone goes on just pensions. That is not a small %, it's the biggest of all. That is fact. Do you disagree with that?
You then say people go out of their way not to work and claim JSA and call them lazy gits. Can you tell me how many people of the 1.22 million on JSA are 'lazy gits'? Bearing in mind JSA is a constantly revolving door system, thousands claim and stop claiming everyday. There aren't the same 1.22 million people constantly sat on JSA for years.
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: John You seem to have missed out multiple benefits from your list so your figures are rather pointless. In general, you often find individuals claiming multiple benefits-housing+JSA +child+CTC and in many cases DLA (fraudulently). This stemmed from Sineaters last comment which for DC, is not dribble but fact. A lot of unemployed (not job seekers) where put onto DLA just to lower the unemployment figure and too this day remain claimimg the higher level whilst those actually in need find it hard in the current system to be accepted for the apprpiate DLA. There are many families happy to live in the benefit culture because they have a higher household income than many full time workers. This is what is wrong with this country and it's this that needs seriously addressed and rectified.[/p][/quote]You said the sick, disabled and elderly only use a small % of the benefits bill, did you not? That is entirely incorrect. 47% of the benefits bill alone goes on just pensions. That is not a small %, it's the biggest of all. That is fact. Do you disagree with that? You then say people go out of their way not to work and claim JSA and call them lazy gits. Can you tell me how many people of the 1.22 million on JSA are 'lazy gits'? Bearing in mind JSA is a constantly revolving door system, thousands claim and stop claiming everyday. There aren't the same 1.22 million people constantly sat on JSA for years. Jonn
  • Score: -2

12:00pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sineater says...

Sorry Durham city, I know you can't accept that ,but it's true,it suited the tories to keep people on the dole then,now because it suits them they have turned on the same people who they conditioned into claiming benefits. They don't care for you ,or me it's what suits their agenda,at a certain point in time. They feed people like you with their propaganda,to justify their plans,and get groups of people arguing amongst themselves, it's been in the papers ,for the last two days about tories that make a fortune out of benefit payments as private landlords,and at least one prominent member of ukip, do you really think they care about you,iff you do your fooling your self.
Sorry Durham city, I know you can't accept that ,but it's true,it suited the tories to keep people on the dole then,now because it suits them they have turned on the same people who they conditioned into claiming benefits. They don't care for you ,or me it's what suits their agenda,at a certain point in time. They feed people like you with their propaganda,to justify their plans,and get groups of people arguing amongst themselves, it's been in the papers ,for the last two days about tories that make a fortune out of benefit payments as private landlords,and at least one prominent member of ukip, do you really think they care about you,iff you do your fooling your self. sineater
  • Score: -1

12:47pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Jonn says...

sineater wrote:
Sorry Durham city, I know you can't accept that ,but it's true,it suited the tories to keep people on the dole then,now because it suits them they have turned on the same people who they conditioned into claiming benefits. They don't care for you ,or me it's what suits their agenda,at a certain point in time. They feed people like you with their propaganda,to justify their plans,and get groups of people arguing amongst themselves, it's been in the papers ,for the last two days about tories that make a fortune out of benefit payments as private landlords,and at least one prominent member of ukip, do you really think they care about you,iff you do your fooling your self.
Are you referring to Richard Benyon, Tory MP worth £110million collecting £625,000 a year in housing benefit for the houses he rents out? He recently said “Labour want benefits to go up more than the earnings of people in work. It isn’t fair and we will not let them bring back their something for nothing culture.”
Oh the irony!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Sorry Durham city, I know you can't accept that ,but it's true,it suited the tories to keep people on the dole then,now because it suits them they have turned on the same people who they conditioned into claiming benefits. They don't care for you ,or me it's what suits their agenda,at a certain point in time. They feed people like you with their propaganda,to justify their plans,and get groups of people arguing amongst themselves, it's been in the papers ,for the last two days about tories that make a fortune out of benefit payments as private landlords,and at least one prominent member of ukip, do you really think they care about you,iff you do your fooling your self.[/p][/quote]Are you referring to Richard Benyon, Tory MP worth £110million collecting £625,000 a year in housing benefit for the houses he rents out? He recently said “Labour want benefits to go up more than the earnings of people in work. It isn’t fair and we will not let them bring back their something for nothing culture.” Oh the irony!! Jonn
  • Score: 1

1:38pm Mon 24 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

John

Since you like stating figures so much, can you tell me, out of the 47% going to pensions, whats the split (approx) of those claiming these pensions as to those who worked and paid taxes and those who did not.

Given most elderly came from the era of working for your keep it would be fair to say they have earned benefits payouts, more so than the mid thirties couple with 5 kids and never worked a day in their lives.

The something for nothing culture is what is bringing this country down.....we all need something, I need a life style which reflects the work I do but instead am forced to live on the poverty line due to excessive taxation.
John Since you like stating figures so much, can you tell me, out of the 47% going to pensions, whats the split (approx) of those claiming these pensions as to those who worked and paid taxes and those who did not. Given most elderly came from the era of working for your keep it would be fair to say they have earned benefits payouts, more so than the mid thirties couple with 5 kids and never worked a day in their lives. The something for nothing culture is what is bringing this country down.....we all need something, I need a life style which reflects the work I do but instead am forced to live on the poverty line due to excessive taxation. MartinMo
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Mon 24 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

To most I may come over as a complete donkey's rear end on this topic whilst others only gleam certain bits from what I post, this is mainly due to the fact they have a one set mind. When I say things like abolish all benefits and the whole system needs sorted.

I know there is in fact actual need for benefits but these should be paid to people whom find themselves in hardship through no fault of their own and not because you made specific life choices.

1. Elderly - pensions, a must, given for most they were probably tax payers until the day they retired.
2. Sick/disabled - a must but levels awarded to individual circumstances and extent of disability affecting ability to work.
3. Working Tax credit - scrap it, just lower the tax rate on salaries
4. Child tax credit/child support - scrap it, having children is a life choice, the culture of having kids in order to milk money from the benfit system needs to be brought to an end.
5. Housing benefit - although I feel no one should be homeless, this benefit should capped to prevent claimants increasing family size just for bigger houses. This would also stop private landlords getting wealthy at the expense of the tax payer. More communial shared accomodation rather than houses.
6. JSA/unemployment benefit - short term awards only to help those inbetween employment. Payouts should cease a year after individual finds themselve out of work unless they take up voluntary communial work.

Nobody should receive something for nothing.
To most I may come over as a complete donkey's rear end on this topic whilst others only gleam certain bits from what I post, this is mainly due to the fact they have a one set mind. When I say things like abolish all benefits and the whole system needs sorted. I know there is in fact actual need for benefits but these should be paid to people whom find themselves in hardship through no fault of their own and not because you made specific life choices. 1. Elderly - pensions, a must, given for most they were probably tax payers until the day they retired. 2. Sick/disabled - a must but levels awarded to individual circumstances and extent of disability affecting ability to work. 3. Working Tax credit - scrap it, just lower the tax rate on salaries 4. Child tax credit/child support - scrap it, having children is a life choice, the culture of having kids in order to milk money from the benfit system needs to be brought to an end. 5. Housing benefit - although I feel no one should be homeless, this benefit should capped to prevent claimants increasing family size just for bigger houses. This would also stop private landlords getting wealthy at the expense of the tax payer. More communial shared accomodation rather than houses. 6. JSA/unemployment benefit - short term awards only to help those inbetween employment. Payouts should cease a year after individual finds themselve out of work unless they take up voluntary communial work. Nobody should receive something for nothing. MartinMo
  • Score: 4

2:30pm Mon 24 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

How about ?,......some of these 'Churches' renting out part of some (not all) of their huge owned .......***.4 5 6 7 8 bedroomed (the biggest house in many British Villages and Towns), namely 'Manses and Vicarages' to the 'genuine poor elderly' in Britain.. Christ was born in a 'Manger' and not in a 'huge spacious house with grounds or 'Upper class ('Anti-Fracking') 'very well shod' country British Village. Also how about selling off a small percentage of private 'Church Land' some worth 'untold Millions'. Now if that happened I would call it real...... 'Christian work in action'.
How about ?,......some of these 'Churches' renting out part of some (not all) of their huge owned .......***.4 5 6 7 8 bedroomed (the biggest house in many British Villages and Towns), namely 'Manses and Vicarages' to the 'genuine poor elderly' in Britain.. Christ was born in a 'Manger' and not in a 'huge spacious house with grounds or 'Upper class ('Anti-Fracking') 'very well shod' country British Village. Also how about selling off a small percentage of private 'Church Land' some worth 'untold Millions'. Now if that happened I would call it real...... 'Christian work in action'. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Mon 24 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

The church did not make it's millions by donating to the needy. Church members are all for help to the needy, as long as it's coming from elsewhere.
The church did not make it's millions by donating to the needy. Church members are all for help to the needy, as long as it's coming from elsewhere. MartinMo
  • Score: 6

3:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sineater says...

Martinmo, I agree with some of your points,the trouble is as I and several others keep banging on about ,they are not making exceptions for those who are disabled,or in genuine need. Nobody gets something for nothing,people pay taxes to cover the n.h.s.,and benefits.
Martinmo, I agree with some of your points,the trouble is as I and several others keep banging on about ,they are not making exceptions for those who are disabled,or in genuine need. Nobody gets something for nothing,people pay taxes to cover the n.h.s.,and benefits. sineater
  • Score: -8

3:32pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sineater says...

Jon , Yes I was referring to him,also did you read over the weekend about the ukip spokesperson for housing,who is making a fortune housing immigrants , maybe you could do some research on him,for our disbelieving ukip supporters ?
Jon , Yes I was referring to him,also did you read over the weekend about the ukip spokesperson for housing,who is making a fortune housing immigrants , maybe you could do some research on him,for our disbelieving ukip supporters ? sineater
  • Score: -5

4:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sineater says...

Martinmo, You are forced to live in excessive taxation ,err I thought the tories brought taxation down ? down to 45% for the high earners ,and stating at 10,000 for the low -paid,both rates which are nothing to do with benefits .
Martinmo, You are forced to live in excessive taxation ,err I thought the tories brought taxation down ? down to 45% for the high earners ,and stating at 10,000 for the low -paid,both rates which are nothing to do with benefits . sineater
  • Score: -7

7:25pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Jonn says...

sineater wrote:
Jon , Yes I was referring to him,also did you read over the weekend about the ukip spokesperson for housing,who is making a fortune housing immigrants , maybe you could do some research on him,for our disbelieving ukip supporters ?
Ok. Just for laugh!
UKIP'S housing spokesman, multi-millionaire landlord Andrew Charalambous collected £745,351 last year in housing benefit from occupants, who he admits include immigrants.
He said: “We operate in an area that is largely a migrant population. From a commercial point of view and a human point of view, we are not concerned about what the ethnic origin of the tenants is.”
Asked whether he was profiting from immigration, he said: “Immigration has not only fuelled demand but has fuelled price. I think that’s true.”
More irony!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jon , Yes I was referring to him,also did you read over the weekend about the ukip spokesperson for housing,who is making a fortune housing immigrants , maybe you could do some research on him,for our disbelieving ukip supporters ?[/p][/quote]Ok. Just for laugh! UKIP'S housing spokesman, multi-millionaire landlord Andrew Charalambous collected £745,351 last year in housing benefit from occupants, who he admits include immigrants. He said: “We operate in an area that is largely a migrant population. From a commercial point of view and a human point of view, we are not concerned about what the ethnic origin of the tenants is.” Asked whether he was profiting from immigration, he said: “Immigration has not only fuelled demand but has fuelled price. I think that’s true.” More irony!! Jonn
  • Score: 1

8:28am Tue 25 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
Martinmo, I agree with some of your points,the trouble is as I and several others keep banging on about ,they are not making exceptions for those who are disabled,or in genuine need. Nobody gets something for nothing,people pay taxes to cover the n.h.s.,and benefits.
This goes towards previous posts on previous threads.

Yes, taxes cover nhs and benefits so there is no such thing as free health care for the working tax payer and there fore that it's fair to say that as a tax payer you do not get something for nothing. On the other hand, those on benefits whom have never paid a day in taxes do infact live a lifestyle based on getting something for nothing as the cost is paid by others.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Martinmo, I agree with some of your points,the trouble is as I and several others keep banging on about ,they are not making exceptions for those who are disabled,or in genuine need. Nobody gets something for nothing,people pay taxes to cover the n.h.s.,and benefits.[/p][/quote]This goes towards previous posts on previous threads. Yes, taxes cover nhs and benefits so there is no such thing as free health care for the working tax payer and there fore that it's fair to say that as a tax payer you do not get something for nothing. On the other hand, those on benefits whom have never paid a day in taxes do infact live a lifestyle based on getting something for nothing as the cost is paid by others. MartinMo
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Tue 25 Feb 14

sineater says...

But everyone pays vat,benfits are subject to taxation ,but hey just for the greedy people lets stop benefits for everyone.We will never have full employment,still lets let people starve,and you can volunteer to bury all the bodies,then you will be content that no scroungers are not getting their grubby little hands on your hard earned money ,then will you be happy ?
But everyone pays vat,benfits are subject to taxation ,but hey just for the greedy people lets stop benefits for everyone.We will never have full employment,still lets let people starve,and you can volunteer to bury all the bodies,then you will be content that no scroungers are not getting their grubby little hands on your hard earned money ,then will you be happy ? sineater
  • Score: -5

4:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
But everyone pays vat,benfits are subject to taxation ,but hey just for the greedy people lets stop benefits for everyone.We will never have full employment,still lets let people starve,and you can volunteer to bury all the bodies,then you will be content that no scroungers are not getting their grubby little hands on your hard earned money ,then will you be happy ?
You do seriously miss the point but I will play along...........ever
yone does indeed pay vat on all purchases, the vat I pay comes from my salary, the vat paid by someone on benefits comes from the money they freely received so they still in fact getting something for nothing.

Why would I volunteer to carry that task out, they could create that as job so giving work oppertunities to someone in need of earning a living (EARN A LIVING). Gone are the days when that saying actually meant something.

Now if the last part of your post requires a yes or no answer then....Yes.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: But everyone pays vat,benfits are subject to taxation ,but hey just for the greedy people lets stop benefits for everyone.We will never have full employment,still lets let people starve,and you can volunteer to bury all the bodies,then you will be content that no scroungers are not getting their grubby little hands on your hard earned money ,then will you be happy ?[/p][/quote]You do seriously miss the point but I will play along...........ever yone does indeed pay vat on all purchases, the vat I pay comes from my salary, the vat paid by someone on benefits comes from the money they freely received so they still in fact getting something for nothing. Why would I volunteer to carry that task out, they could create that as job so giving work oppertunities to someone in need of earning a living (EARN A LIVING). Gone are the days when that saying actually meant something. Now if the last part of your post requires a yes or no answer then....Yes. MartinMo
  • Score: 4

4:35pm Tue 25 Feb 14

sineater says...

As I said you begrudge unemployed people existing ,and seeing as how we have never had full employment ,you must wish people dead,get over yourself, there are people avoiding millions in tax but no you have it in for unemployed people. You put unemployed down so why should anyone feel sorry for you just pay your taxes like the law demands ,you greedy little creep ,all you do is moan about you, you, you,it must be something to do with you packing in smoking ,go and be a misery somewhere else !!!
As I said you begrudge unemployed people existing ,and seeing as how we have never had full employment ,you must wish people dead,get over yourself, there are people avoiding millions in tax but no you have it in for unemployed people. You put unemployed down so why should anyone feel sorry for you just pay your taxes like the law demands ,you greedy little creep ,all you do is moan about you, you, you,it must be something to do with you packing in smoking ,go and be a misery somewhere else !!! sineater
  • Score: -11

5:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

I have never seen a poor **Bishop or Senior Member of the Clergy, most appear very well fed and shod. Many (not all vicars clergy etc) live in 'very big to huge Manses', Vicarages etc, especially in or adjacent to 'Upper middle class and 'Upper-class' England Villages. Most have new or newish cars etc, etc, Yes many do a good job but there are a fair few I bet who would struggle doing a hard days manual labour. On the other hand re POVERTY I went into a North East Car park at a Supermarket the other day it was jamme packed with cars and I recognised a few long term umemployed parking their own cars. Poverty nothing compared with REAL POVERTY during the second world war when many people who help protect Britain were near STARVING due to severe food shortages. Poverty now, as Jimmy Nail once quoted, ***Its in its infancy in Britain, nearly half the population are now overweight and hundreds of thousands of TONS of good food gets thrown out. The 'Burger Outlets' are 'top heavy ever'y weekend with long term unemployed, many feeding their large nanny state benefit families.
I have never seen a poor **Bishop or Senior Member of the Clergy, most appear very well fed and shod. Many (not all vicars clergy etc) live in 'very big to huge Manses', Vicarages etc, especially in or adjacent to 'Upper middle class and 'Upper-class' England Villages. Most have new or newish cars etc, etc, Yes many do a good job but there are a fair few I bet who would struggle doing a hard days manual labour. On the other hand re POVERTY I went into a North East Car park at a Supermarket the other day it was jamme packed with cars and I recognised a few long term umemployed parking their own cars. Poverty nothing compared with REAL POVERTY during the second world war when many people who help protect Britain were near STARVING due to severe food shortages. Poverty now, as Jimmy Nail once quoted, ***Its in its infancy in Britain, nearly half the population are now overweight and hundreds of thousands of TONS of good food gets thrown out. The 'Burger Outlets' are 'top heavy ever'y weekend with long term unemployed, many feeding their large nanny state benefit families. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 4

7:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

sineater says...

ha ha ha
ha ha ha sineater
  • Score: -3

9:49am Wed 26 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Even **Friar TUCK was well feed and there was **no free nanny benefit state' in Sherwood Forest. ..... You see unwashed mainly fit, young workshy sitting on 'their butts' begging in British Town Centres. Now you cannot tell me that they cannot afford a 'bar of soap'. They could EARN a living instead of begging, by carry out paid......*. 'Shoe-Shine Stand Pedestrian Work'**** ....is a prime example., do something worthwhile to EARN a living. Many do 'Shoe-Shine Pedestrian work' both in America and Europe and also in in many cities across the world, apart from these 'bone idle' beggers in Britain who do nothing.. This is the shocking result of a 'free for nothing begging' nanny-state British Street Culture' which has both evolved and been hijacked by many workshy over the years, they will beg and do anything to avoid any type of work...
Even **Friar TUCK was well feed and there was **no free nanny benefit state' in Sherwood Forest. ..... You see unwashed mainly fit, young workshy sitting on 'their butts' begging in British Town Centres. Now you cannot tell me that they cannot afford a 'bar of soap'. They could EARN a living instead of begging, by carry out paid......*. 'Shoe-Shine Stand Pedestrian Work'**** ....is a prime example., do something worthwhile to EARN a living. Many do 'Shoe-Shine Pedestrian work' both in America and Europe and also in in many cities across the world, apart from these 'bone idle' beggers in Britain who do nothing.. This is the shocking result of a 'free for nothing begging' nanny-state British Street Culture' which has both evolved and been hijacked by many workshy over the years, they will beg and do anything to avoid any type of work... cushybutterfield
  • Score: 3

10:22am Wed 26 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
As I said you begrudge unemployed people existing ,and seeing as how we have never had full employment ,you must wish people dead,get over yourself, there are people avoiding millions in tax but no you have it in for unemployed people. You put unemployed down so why should anyone feel sorry for you just pay your taxes like the law demands ,you greedy little creep ,all you do is moan about you, you, you,it must be something to do with you packing in smoking ,go and be a misery somewhere else !!!
There is a difference between existing and living the way a lot of these benefit families do. Benefits these days seems to pay for all the luxuries most have to work hard to afford as well as feeding smoking, drinking and drug addiction habits.

The law demands........exact
ly, tax payers are being forced to pay for services they may never use and benefit systems which help the needy and line the pockets of the lazy whilst they themselves receive nothing.

I pay more taxes because I am made to do so and forced to accept that fact, those whom manage to avoid paying taxes I say well done, why should they be expected (not asked or given a choice) to pay into a system to make life better for the likes of you.

Plus you're one to talk about moaning, it's none stop from the likes of yourself when governments mention benefit cuts in an attempt to get the lazy off their butts and back into work.

I do like the fact you resort to immature pathetic name calling when your arguements fail to hold any point, obviously I touched a nerve. Don't worry, your benefit payment will be in soon and the local will be open shortly.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: As I said you begrudge unemployed people existing ,and seeing as how we have never had full employment ,you must wish people dead,get over yourself, there are people avoiding millions in tax but no you have it in for unemployed people. You put unemployed down so why should anyone feel sorry for you just pay your taxes like the law demands ,you greedy little creep ,all you do is moan about you, you, you,it must be something to do with you packing in smoking ,go and be a misery somewhere else !!![/p][/quote]There is a difference between existing and living the way a lot of these benefit families do. Benefits these days seems to pay for all the luxuries most have to work hard to afford as well as feeding smoking, drinking and drug addiction habits. The law demands........exact ly, tax payers are being forced to pay for services they may never use and benefit systems which help the needy and line the pockets of the lazy whilst they themselves receive nothing. I pay more taxes because I am made to do so and forced to accept that fact, those whom manage to avoid paying taxes I say well done, why should they be expected (not asked or given a choice) to pay into a system to make life better for the likes of you. Plus you're one to talk about moaning, it's none stop from the likes of yourself when governments mention benefit cuts in an attempt to get the lazy off their butts and back into work. I do like the fact you resort to immature pathetic name calling when your arguements fail to hold any point, obviously I touched a nerve. Don't worry, your benefit payment will be in soon and the local will be open shortly. MartinMo
  • Score: 4

11:06am Wed 26 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

MartinMo wrote:
sineater wrote:
As I said you begrudge unemployed people existing ,and seeing as how we have never had full employment ,you must wish people dead,get over yourself, there are people avoiding millions in tax but no you have it in for unemployed people. You put unemployed down so why should anyone feel sorry for you just pay your taxes like the law demands ,you greedy little creep ,all you do is moan about you, you, you,it must be something to do with you packing in smoking ,go and be a misery somewhere else !!!
There is a difference between existing and living the way a lot of these benefit families do. Benefits these days seems to pay for all the luxuries most have to work hard to afford as well as feeding smoking, drinking and drug addiction habits.

The law demands........exact

ly, tax payers are being forced to pay for services they may never use and benefit systems which help the needy and line the pockets of the lazy whilst they themselves receive nothing.

I pay more taxes because I am made to do so and forced to accept that fact, those whom manage to avoid paying taxes I say well done, why should they be expected (not asked or given a choice) to pay into a system to make life better for the likes of you.

Plus you're one to talk about moaning, it's none stop from the likes of yourself when governments mention benefit cuts in an attempt to get the lazy off their butts and back into work.

I do like the fact you resort to immature pathetic name calling when your arguements fail to hold any point, obviously I touched a nerve. Don't worry, your benefit payment will be in soon and the local will be open shortly.
Don't let him wind you up he does this often when people pick on his labour chums he even changed his name from loonyleft to try and disguise his utter rubbish and swearing at people
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: As I said you begrudge unemployed people existing ,and seeing as how we have never had full employment ,you must wish people dead,get over yourself, there are people avoiding millions in tax but no you have it in for unemployed people. You put unemployed down so why should anyone feel sorry for you just pay your taxes like the law demands ,you greedy little creep ,all you do is moan about you, you, you,it must be something to do with you packing in smoking ,go and be a misery somewhere else !!![/p][/quote]There is a difference between existing and living the way a lot of these benefit families do. Benefits these days seems to pay for all the luxuries most have to work hard to afford as well as feeding smoking, drinking and drug addiction habits. The law demands........exact ly, tax payers are being forced to pay for services they may never use and benefit systems which help the needy and line the pockets of the lazy whilst they themselves receive nothing. I pay more taxes because I am made to do so and forced to accept that fact, those whom manage to avoid paying taxes I say well done, why should they be expected (not asked or given a choice) to pay into a system to make life better for the likes of you. Plus you're one to talk about moaning, it's none stop from the likes of yourself when governments mention benefit cuts in an attempt to get the lazy off their butts and back into work. I do like the fact you resort to immature pathetic name calling when your arguements fail to hold any point, obviously I touched a nerve. Don't worry, your benefit payment will be in soon and the local will be open shortly.[/p][/quote]Don't let him wind you up he does this often when people pick on his labour chums he even changed his name from loonyleft to try and disguise his utter rubbish and swearing at people DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 4

11:24am Wed 26 Feb 14

sineater says...

All the luxuries,where have you been the last 4 years,why do you think food b anks exist? People making new claims to benefits have to wait 6 weeks,disabled people ,with genuine medical conditions ,have to wait up to a year to regain what is rightfully theirs You yourself do not ev en have the sense to claim what is rightfully what your wife should be claiming,god help you iff you lose your job,seeing as how you don't believe in claiming whats yours by right. O and by the way wether in employment or not I don't drink,and I don't smoke.
All the luxuries,where have you been the last 4 years,why do you think food b anks exist? People making new claims to benefits have to wait 6 weeks,disabled people ,with genuine medical conditions ,have to wait up to a year to regain what is rightfully theirs You yourself do not ev en have the sense to claim what is rightfully what your wife should be claiming,god help you iff you lose your job,seeing as how you don't believe in claiming whats yours by right. O and by the way wether in employment or not I don't drink,and I don't smoke. sineater
  • Score: -5

12:31pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
All the luxuries,where have you been the last 4 years,why do you think food b anks exist? People making new claims to benefits have to wait 6 weeks,disabled people ,with genuine medical conditions ,have to wait up to a year to regain what is rightfully theirs You yourself do not ev en have the sense to claim what is rightfully what your wife should be claiming,god help you iff you lose your job,seeing as how you don't believe in claiming whats yours by right. O and by the way wether in employment or not I don't drink,and I don't smoke.
Its not yours by right, omg, what a misguided belief you have. Benefits are not an entitlement, they are charity. If this benefits are rights then everybody should receive them just for breathing regardless of employment citcumstances. I don't push the issue for my wife for that very reason and although I am in full time employment I am always searching for that better paid position, does that not make me a job seeker......going by your belief I should be entitled to JSA. Why the hell am I paying a mortgage, with a wife and 2 kids I should be receiving housing benefits for 3 bed home as my right for a home........

The wife does not work, does she get all the benefits which are apparently an entitlement.........
...NO SHE DOES NOT.

Get over yourself, benefits are charity, made available at the expense of the nations workers by removing their god given right of freedom of choice. Entitlement should be having the choice as to whether to donate into the help the needy charity or not.

Again with the sick and disabled suffering comments, it's not tax evaders or banking errors to blame, it the sheer number of benefit fraudsters and cheats corrupting the system designed to help those in actual need and you wonder why the likes of myself have had enough of it.

After years of punishing the worker class through annually increased taxes it's about time for a change, the sheer numbers of different benefits and amounts paid out need cut.

And anyone caught commiting benefit fraud should be punished accordingly.

Punishment for puposely commiting tax evasion - 5 years jail with excessive moneytary fines.

Benefit fraud - (recent case) slap on wrist, order to pay back money stolen over 85 year period...........ben
eifts should be completely stopped until full amount is paid back and immediate jail sentencing to be carried out.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: All the luxuries,where have you been the last 4 years,why do you think food b anks exist? People making new claims to benefits have to wait 6 weeks,disabled people ,with genuine medical conditions ,have to wait up to a year to regain what is rightfully theirs You yourself do not ev en have the sense to claim what is rightfully what your wife should be claiming,god help you iff you lose your job,seeing as how you don't believe in claiming whats yours by right. O and by the way wether in employment or not I don't drink,and I don't smoke.[/p][/quote]Its not yours by right, omg, what a misguided belief you have. Benefits are not an entitlement, they are charity. If this benefits are rights then everybody should receive them just for breathing regardless of employment citcumstances. I don't push the issue for my wife for that very reason and although I am in full time employment I am always searching for that better paid position, does that not make me a job seeker......going by your belief I should be entitled to JSA. Why the hell am I paying a mortgage, with a wife and 2 kids I should be receiving housing benefits for 3 bed home as my right for a home........ The wife does not work, does she get all the benefits which are apparently an entitlement......... ...NO SHE DOES NOT. Get over yourself, benefits are charity, made available at the expense of the nations workers by removing their god given right of freedom of choice. Entitlement should be having the choice as to whether to donate into the help the needy charity or not. Again with the sick and disabled suffering comments, it's not tax evaders or banking errors to blame, it the sheer number of benefit fraudsters and cheats corrupting the system designed to help those in actual need and you wonder why the likes of myself have had enough of it. After years of punishing the worker class through annually increased taxes it's about time for a change, the sheer numbers of different benefits and amounts paid out need cut. And anyone caught commiting benefit fraud should be punished accordingly. Punishment for puposely commiting tax evasion - 5 years jail with excessive moneytary fines. Benefit fraud - (recent case) slap on wrist, order to pay back money stolen over 85 year period...........ben eifts should be completely stopped until full amount is paid back and immediate jail sentencing to be carried out. MartinMo
  • Score: 5

1:27pm Wed 26 Feb 14

sineater says...

I've told you taxes except for vat are not going up the've b een cut,and b enefits are not charity ,they are paid for out of the taxation people pay when they are workingYes it's not tax evaders to b lame for disabled people getting their b enefits cut ,it's the government ,and you have been told time and again that is so but it doesn't sink in. Why do you think there are so many comments about benefits, people who don't deserve to b e sanctioned ,are having them cut ,they c an't help because of your personal problems,that you make your self short of c ash,the fact that you lab led your own parents as wasters ,shows what sort of son you were,no please don't send me any more comments ,it's hard trying to explain things to a twisted idiot like you !!
I've told you taxes except for vat are not going up the've b een cut,and b enefits are not charity ,they are paid for out of the taxation people pay when they are workingYes it's not tax evaders to b lame for disabled people getting their b enefits cut ,it's the government ,and you have been told time and again that is so but it doesn't sink in. Why do you think there are so many comments about benefits, people who don't deserve to b e sanctioned ,are having them cut ,they c an't help because of your personal problems,that you make your self short of c ash,the fact that you lab led your own parents as wasters ,shows what sort of son you were,no please don't send me any more comments ,it's hard trying to explain things to a twisted idiot like you !! sineater
  • Score: -8

4:00pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
I've told you taxes except for vat are not going up the've b een cut,and b enefits are not charity ,they are paid for out of the taxation people pay when they are workingYes it's not tax evaders to b lame for disabled people getting their b enefits cut ,it's the government ,and you have been told time and again that is so but it doesn't sink in. Why do you think there are so many comments about benefits, people who don't deserve to b e sanctioned ,are having them cut ,they c an't help because of your personal problems,that you make your self short of c ash,the fact that you lab led your own parents as wasters ,shows what sort of son you were,no please don't send me any more comments ,it's hard trying to explain things to a twisted idiot like you !!
Lol

I am the twisted idiot with many professional qualifications and have worked since leaving school..............
....in fact maybe your right, in this day and age anyone in full time employment (with the exception of those on high salaries) are idiots. All we need to do is learn how to milk the benefit the benefit system (having kids is a good start) and we can sit on our back sides for the rest of our lives.

One problem with your debate is not everyone claiming benefits did in fact work at some point. Before commenting you need to look at the broader spectrum of those claiming benefits and not just fixate yourself on one group.

Yes my wife is disabled, she gets the lowest possible award from DLA but she is thankfull for it as we don't see this as an entitlement. She wants to work and would willing give up that benefit for a position of employment.

Fair enough though, DLA and pensions should be the last benefits to face any form of cuts. The governing body could save a lot more money by making cuts to housing, jsa, ctc and child allowance payments.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: I've told you taxes except for vat are not going up the've b een cut,and b enefits are not charity ,they are paid for out of the taxation people pay when they are workingYes it's not tax evaders to b lame for disabled people getting their b enefits cut ,it's the government ,and you have been told time and again that is so but it doesn't sink in. Why do you think there are so many comments about benefits, people who don't deserve to b e sanctioned ,are having them cut ,they c an't help because of your personal problems,that you make your self short of c ash,the fact that you lab led your own parents as wasters ,shows what sort of son you were,no please don't send me any more comments ,it's hard trying to explain things to a twisted idiot like you !![/p][/quote]Lol I am the twisted idiot with many professional qualifications and have worked since leaving school.............. ....in fact maybe your right, in this day and age anyone in full time employment (with the exception of those on high salaries) are idiots. All we need to do is learn how to milk the benefit the benefit system (having kids is a good start) and we can sit on our back sides for the rest of our lives. One problem with your debate is not everyone claiming benefits did in fact work at some point. Before commenting you need to look at the broader spectrum of those claiming benefits and not just fixate yourself on one group. Yes my wife is disabled, she gets the lowest possible award from DLA but she is thankfull for it as we don't see this as an entitlement. She wants to work and would willing give up that benefit for a position of employment. Fair enough though, DLA and pensions should be the last benefits to face any form of cuts. The governing body could save a lot more money by making cuts to housing, jsa, ctc and child allowance payments. MartinMo
  • Score: 5

4:08pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
Martinmo, You are forced to live in excessive taxation ,err I thought the tories brought taxation down ? down to 45% for the high earners ,and stating at 10,000 for the low -paid,both rates which are nothing to do with benefits .
They have not in fact brought taxation down, they are allowing those willing to get of their backside and earn a living (those words again) to keep a little more of their salary (not much over a year tbh) by letting us earn that bit more before taxation strips a big chunk from the rest.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Martinmo, You are forced to live in excessive taxation ,err I thought the tories brought taxation down ? down to 45% for the high earners ,and stating at 10,000 for the low -paid,both rates which are nothing to do with benefits .[/p][/quote]They have not in fact brought taxation down, they are allowing those willing to get of their backside and earn a living (those words again) to keep a little more of their salary (not much over a year tbh) by letting us earn that bit more before taxation strips a big chunk from the rest. MartinMo
  • Score: 3

8:45pm Wed 26 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Most of the British Clergy are very, very well shod and extremely well housed, some (not a in their very spacious Manses, Vicarages etc, they the Clergy can all spought off about 'so called poverty' but its a sound, sound, bet few have EVER experienced any of it (Real Poverty).
Most of the British Clergy are very, very well shod and extremely well housed, some (not a in their very spacious Manses, Vicarages etc, they the Clergy can all spought off about 'so called poverty' but its a sound, sound, bet few have EVER experienced any of it (Real Poverty). cushybutterfield
  • Score: 3

8:20am Thu 27 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

Martinmo says " Why the hell am I paying a mortgage, with a wife and 2 kids I should be receiving housing benefits for 3 bed home as my right for a home........"

Don't be "daft" - sineater has you down to be entitled to a 4 or 5 bedroom house fully funded by the tax payer as in his/her upside down world there would be no "bedroom tax"!!

Many good points made Martinmo!
Martinmo says " Why the hell am I paying a mortgage, with a wife and 2 kids I should be receiving housing benefits for 3 bed home as my right for a home........" Don't be "daft" - sineater has you down to be entitled to a 4 or 5 bedroom house fully funded by the tax payer as in his/her upside down world there would be no "bedroom tax"!! Many good points made Martinmo! DarloXman
  • Score: 4

11:17am Thu 27 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Martin Mo is 'Spot on............' 99 per cent of these hundreds of Thousands of Benefit Fraudsters pay a PITTANCE back (if that). Many of these manipilating criminal workshy have stolen from the state and decent ****working taxpayer over 5O,OOO to One Million Pounds a year by BENEFIT FRAUD ALONE.
Martin Mo is 'Spot on............' 99 per cent of these hundreds of Thousands of Benefit Fraudsters pay a PITTANCE back (if that). Many of these manipilating criminal workshy have stolen from the state and decent ****working taxpayer over 5O,OOO to One Million Pounds a year by BENEFIT FRAUD ALONE. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sineater says...

A million,and how much is evaded from tax,about £35 b illion ,you really have any idea do you ? and Martin mo is to thick to claim what is rightfully his,and then moans about being short of money,someone nedds therapy I think,don't you Martin .
A million,and how much is evaded from tax,about £35 b illion ,you really have any idea do you ? and Martin mo is to thick to claim what is rightfully his,and then moans about being short of money,someone nedds therapy I think,don't you Martin . sineater
  • Score: 0

2:03pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sineater says...

Many good points,except for the fact they have already cut housing benefit,council tax benefit,tax credits,disab ility benefits e,t,c, and yes for many people it is not worth working,and that is not the fault of unemployed people ,it is the tories who privatised the power companies and the like which is making living so expensive,not unemployed people. And Darloman, I don't know what you are rambling about ,all I said was iff you are due to some financial help ,you should take it,it's no use refusing help and then moaning about being short of cash,thats just dumb .
Many good points,except for the fact they have already cut housing benefit,council tax benefit,tax credits,disab ility benefits e,t,c, and yes for many people it is not worth working,and that is not the fault of unemployed people ,it is the tories who privatised the power companies and the like which is making living so expensive,not unemployed people. And Darloman, I don't know what you are rambling about ,all I said was iff you are due to some financial help ,you should take it,it's no use refusing help and then moaning about being short of cash,thats just dumb . sineater
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Thu 27 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Poverty rubbish, nearly 'half of Britain' is overweight. Thousands of TONS of food is thrown out. I walked past a well known 'Dole Office', the other day, the same bunch of 'bone idle workshy benefit scroungers, parking their same **cars, drawing their same ***workshy 'long term state benefits'. Most carrying **mobile phones, all heavily tatooed, **smoking their heads off and later I noticed they were all sitting in a well known public house, downing beer and lager, ' pint after pint' .. and some have the ordasity to call it 'Poverty' Real poverty in Britain is minute..
Poverty rubbish, nearly 'half of Britain' is overweight. Thousands of TONS of food is thrown out. I walked past a well known 'Dole Office', the other day, the same bunch of 'bone idle workshy benefit scroungers, parking their same **cars, drawing their same ***workshy 'long term state benefits'. Most carrying **mobile phones, all heavily tatooed, **smoking their heads off and later I noticed they were all sitting in a well known public house, downing beer and lager, ' pint after pint' .. and some have the ordasity to call it 'Poverty' Real poverty in Britain is minute.. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Povety whos kidding who ?,...... you are a considered a 'Hero' or 'Herorine' on this siet by many if you are 'Workshy and/or receiving frauduelent benefits'.
Povety whos kidding who ?,...... you are a considered a 'Hero' or 'Herorine' on this siet by many if you are 'Workshy and/or receiving frauduelent benefits'. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

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