Police force refers itself to IPCC after opting not to prosecute speeding PC

Police force refers itself to IPCC after opting not to prosecute speeding PC

Police force refers itself to IPCC after opting not to prosecute speeding PC

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DURHAM Police last night referred itself to the Independent Police Complaints Commission amid growing criticism of its failure to prosecute a PC reported for speeding at 140mph by the prisoner he was transporting.

The officer's behaviour was yesterday condemned by road safety charities who said officers who break the law should face legal action.

But Durham Police said the unnamed PC escaped prosecution because he was a “highly skilled driver” and the car was “not driven dangerously”.

The Northern Echo revealed on Friday how the 35-year-old constable drove at up to 140mph while transporting a prisoner from Leeds to Darlington along the A1.

The prisoner promptly made a complaint about the officer's speed when the pair arrived at the custody suite at Darlington police station.

But while other highly skilled drivers caught speeding - including ex-Formula One world champion Nigel Mansell - faced prosecution and a driving ban, the Darlington officer escaped with a sanction following internal misconduct proceedings.

Durham's Police and Crime Commissioner last night criticised the decision not to prosecute the traffic officer.

Former police officer Ron Hogg said he could see no reason why the PC was not prosecuted - other than the allegation would not stand up in court.

Road safety charity Brake also spoke out about the driver's actions, saying police officers who break the law should face prosecution like members of the public.

Following The Northern Echo's revelations, Durham Police said that it was referring its handling of the case to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

The IPCC will examine the investigation and decide if the force acted appropriately.

In a statement, Durham Police revealed that the complaint against the 35-year-old was made in December last year.

It said the officer was driving a marked BMW 330 diesel police car, which reached 140mph for “a short period of time”.

This incident happened when the officer was transporting a prisoner from Leeds to Darlington.

The force said the suspect was wanted on suspicion of theft and was being brought to Darlington police station for questioning.

This individual was then charged and remanded in custody.

The force said in a statement that after a “rigorous internal investigation”, the officer was moved permanently from roads policing duties, his police driving licence was suspended and he was subject to an action plan concerning risk management and decision making.

The officer was now performing a limited operational role which did not involve driving and would not return to full operational duties until it was deemed appropriate, the force said.

Asked to explain why the officer was not prosecuted, Superintendent Darren Ellis, head of the force’s professional standards department, said: “This action was deemed the most appropriate due to a number of key factors.

“The officer in question was an advanced and highly skilled police driver and there was no suggestion that the vehicle was driven dangerously at any time.

"The complainant has been made aware and is satisfied with the action taken. This error of judgement on behalf of the officer is as a result of a single incident and there is no evidence to suggest a pattern of behaviour, the officer’s conduct prior to the incident had been exemplary.”

Supt Ellis said he fully accepted that criminal proceedings could have been invoked.

However, he added: “After a full investigation it was felt that a more appropriate professional sanction in this instance would be the misconduct route due to the reasons I’ve outlined.

“Moving forward as a force we have taken the opportunity to reinforce the standards of driving expected from all officers and staff and are keen as an organisation to learn from this incident.

“We have also taken the decision to voluntarily refer this to the Independent Police Complaints Commission for their consideration”

Durham PCC Mr Hogg last night condemned the officer's actions, saying speeds of 140mph should not be reached, even in most pursuit circumstances.

Mr Hogg said had not seen his force's rationale for not prosecuting the officer, but added: “I can't see any reason why he shouldn't have been prosecuted other than it would be the prisoner's word against his.

“I don't think it would stand up in court with only the prisoner to verify what speed he was doing.”

The Northern Echo was also contacted by several serving police officers from the region who expressed concern at the decision not to prosecute the officer.

Assuming a driver had excellent reactions and was driving a car with good brakes the stopping distance, at 70 mph is 79 metres. But a vehicle travelling at 140mph needs 272 metres to come to a halt. Indeed, a car doing 140mph would still be travelling at 128mph when a car braking from  70 mph had stopped. If the road is wet, a car doing 140mph would need 532 metres to stop - nearly a third of a mile.

Joe Burns, spokesman at road safety charity Brake, said driving at very high speeds on public roads posed a “horrendous danger”.

He added: “Anyone caught driving in this reckless way should face appropriately stiff penalties, in light of the terrible harm they can cause, and to encourage respect for the law.

“We believe police drivers should be prosecuted if they have broken laws and endangered the public, and forces should be held to account in upholding strict safety standards.”

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9:32am Sat 25 Jan 14

joedarlo45 says...

A highly skilled driver???? so thats all right then...we all know what defence to use.....although if it didnt work for Nigel Mansell !!!!
The officer was driving and breaking the law....an ordinary motorist would face an immediate driving ban...and so should he....
If the police want respect...make this (and any future cases ) an example..
A highly skilled driver???? so thats all right then...we all know what defence to use.....although if it didnt work for Nigel Mansell !!!! The officer was driving and breaking the law....an ordinary motorist would face an immediate driving ban...and so should he.... If the police want respect...make this (and any future cases ) an example.. joedarlo45
  • Score: 43

10:27am Sat 25 Jan 14

hippyjohn says...

do as we say not as we do!
do as we say not as we do! hippyjohn
  • Score: 22

10:32am Sat 25 Jan 14

billyboy60 says...

how do they know it wasnt driven driven dangerously did they see it or they must have believed the complainent so why wouldnt the court believe him also anybody who drives at that speed for no legitamate reason apart from showing off is a pure retarded moron and wants sacking ,jailing and banning till they retake an extended test
how do they know it wasnt driven driven dangerously did they see it or they must have believed the complainent so why wouldnt the court believe him also anybody who drives at that speed for no legitamate reason apart from showing off is a pure retarded moron and wants sacking ,jailing and banning till they retake an extended test billyboy60
  • Score: 21

11:37am Sat 25 Jan 14

Darkroom Devil says...

"Because I've never broken the speed limit ever", said every lying driver.....
"Because I've never broken the speed limit ever", said every lying driver..... Darkroom Devil
  • Score: 14

11:47am Sat 25 Jan 14

maur1 says...

police officer was maybe foolish his prisoner has deliberately set him up , if its proved he was doing those speeds he should face up to it like we all do.
police officer was maybe foolish his prisoner has deliberately set him up , if its proved he was doing those speeds he should face up to it like we all do. maur1
  • Score: 16

11:50am Sat 25 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

So what's the point in asking to "Have your say" then remove a comment, you plebs!!!
So what's the point in asking to "Have your say" then remove a comment, you plebs!!! Jackaranda
  • Score: 19

12:05pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Edmondsley says...

If he goes to court what evidence, unless he was caught on speed cameras,could be produced to prove the offence?
If he goes to court what evidence, unless he was caught on speed cameras,could be produced to prove the offence? Edmondsley
  • Score: 6

12:10pm Sat 25 Jan 14

stevegg says...

"Mr Hogg said had not seen his force's rationale for not prosecuting the officer, but added: “I can't see any reason why he shouldn't have been prosecuted other than it would be the prisoner's word against his" - I was under the impression ALL police vehicles had a black box which recorded telemetry data, especially traffic vehicles? Sounds like a cover up. The public reaction is why this has been referrred; If a member of the public had been doing the same speed they would have been prosecuted for dangerous or careless driving and banned for a year at the very least. Doube standards. Fair enough if the police officer was in a pursuit but transporting a prisoner??
"Mr Hogg said had not seen his force's rationale for not prosecuting the officer, but added: “I can't see any reason why he shouldn't have been prosecuted other than it would be the prisoner's word against his" - I was under the impression ALL police vehicles had a black box which recorded telemetry data, especially traffic vehicles? Sounds like a cover up. The public reaction is why this has been referrred; If a member of the public had been doing the same speed they would have been prosecuted for dangerous or careless driving and banned for a year at the very least. Doube standards. Fair enough if the police officer was in a pursuit but transporting a prisoner?? stevegg
  • Score: 29

12:45pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Pete Sakes says...

Waste of time referring the case to the IPCC. It is mainly staffed by ex or retired cops. We need a truly independent police complaints body, and someone on the roads to police the police.
Waste of time referring the case to the IPCC. It is mainly staffed by ex or retired cops. We need a truly independent police complaints body, and someone on the roads to police the police. Pete Sakes
  • Score: 21

12:59pm Sat 25 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

How many times? The police are institutionally corrupt. It is in their DNA. From the highest to the lowest rank we have endless examples of dodgy dealing, double standards and fabrication of evidence. The bodies appointed to oversee them are no better. We need a complete clear out of any force member found to have broken the rules and/or the law, but after a reprimand they slide back into their jobs. That includes the men who stitched up Andrew Mitchell.
How many times? The police are institutionally corrupt. It is in their DNA. From the highest to the lowest rank we have endless examples of dodgy dealing, double standards and fabrication of evidence. The bodies appointed to oversee them are no better. We need a complete clear out of any force member found to have broken the rules and/or the law, but after a reprimand they slide back into their jobs. That includes the men who stitched up Andrew Mitchell. David Lacey
  • Score: 5

1:16pm Sat 25 Jan 14

tomtopper says...

"The officer in question was an advanced and highly skilled police driver and there was no suggestion that the vehicle was driven dangerously at any time."

That will indeed be correct as the officer will be class 1 advanced/pursuit trained (although this training is a little easier than it used to be, to accommodate a higher female quota )

I doubt the officer's driving would have been overly dangerous as it would've been conditions based..

Having said that, had it been some non serving person with the same degree of skill/training, and putforward such points, they would've had the book thrown at them
"The officer in question was an advanced and highly skilled police driver and there was no suggestion that the vehicle was driven dangerously at any time." That will indeed be correct as the officer will be class 1 advanced/pursuit trained (although this training is a little easier than it used to be, to accommodate a higher female quota ) I doubt the officer's driving would have been overly dangerous as it would've been conditions based.. Having said that, had it been some non serving person with the same degree of skill/training, and putforward such points, they would've had the book thrown at them tomtopper
  • Score: 12

1:38pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Butafly says...

was not driving dangerously??? what would u call 140mph then? a usual everyday cruise?

had he not been a police office it would be instant ban
was not driving dangerously??? what would u call 140mph then? a usual everyday cruise? had he not been a police office it would be instant ban Butafly
  • Score: 22

2:02pm Sat 25 Jan 14

bishop1 says...

the fact that he was travelling at 140mph doesn't mean it was dangerous as it all depends on conditions .
travelling at 140mph on a straight empty stretch of motorway with no junctions in the area & in good weather conditions isn't really dangerous as such .( people travel a lot faster on the german autobahns when permitted )
travelling at 70 mph on a busy stretch of motorway in wet weather etc could be far more dangerous , road conditions is the key .
yes it is illegal & for that he should be dealt with as anyone else would be .
the fact that he was travelling at 140mph doesn't mean it was dangerous as it all depends on conditions . travelling at 140mph on a straight empty stretch of motorway with no junctions in the area & in good weather conditions isn't really dangerous as such .( people travel a lot faster on the german autobahns when permitted ) travelling at 70 mph on a busy stretch of motorway in wet weather etc could be far more dangerous , road conditions is the key . yes it is illegal & for that he should be dealt with as anyone else would be . bishop1
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

GeordieB says...

It's not one prisoner's word against one cop though is it?

Time when prisoner booked in at Darlington - Time prisoner booked out at Leeds = Travel Time.

Straight forward calculation to work out average speed.

That's before you even begin to look at the on board telemetry mentioned above.

Surely they cannot expect the public to believe anything other than the IPCC is being called in to rubber stamp their 'process'?
It's not one prisoner's word against one cop though is it? Time when prisoner booked in at Darlington - Time prisoner booked out at Leeds = Travel Time. Straight forward calculation to work out average speed. That's before you even begin to look at the on board telemetry mentioned above. Surely they cannot expect the public to believe anything other than the IPCC is being called in to rubber stamp their 'process'? GeordieB
  • Score: 20

3:59pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

Supt Ellis said he fully accepted that criminal proceedings could have been invoked.
However, he added: “After a full investigation it was felt that a more appropriate professional sanction in this instance would be the misconduct route due to the reasons I’ve outlined.
“Moving forward as a force we have taken the opportunity to reinforce the standards of driving expected from all officers and staff and are keen as an organisation to learn from this incident.

If the above statement isn't bent, then Crippen's innocent!!
Supt Ellis said he fully accepted that criminal proceedings could have been invoked. However, he added: “After a full investigation it was felt that a more appropriate professional sanction in this instance would be the misconduct route due to the reasons I’ve outlined. “Moving forward as a force we have taken the opportunity to reinforce the standards of driving expected from all officers and staff and are keen as an organisation to learn from this incident. If the above statement isn't bent, then Crippen's innocent!! Jackaranda
  • Score: 11

5:35pm Sat 25 Jan 14

loan_star says...

bishop1 wrote:
the fact that he was travelling at 140mph doesn't mean it was dangerous as it all depends on conditions .
travelling at 140mph on a straight empty stretch of motorway with no junctions in the area & in good weather conditions isn't really dangerous as such .( people travel a lot faster on the german autobahns when permitted )
travelling at 70 mph on a busy stretch of motorway in wet weather etc could be far more dangerous , road conditions is the key .
yes it is illegal & for that he should be dealt with as anyone else would be .
A mate of mine got done for doing 80mph on the M180 in broad day light and the weather conditions were as good as perfect.
Was he being a danger to other road users? Maybe! After all there was only him and the police car in sight at the time.
[quote][p][bold]bishop1[/bold] wrote: the fact that he was travelling at 140mph doesn't mean it was dangerous as it all depends on conditions . travelling at 140mph on a straight empty stretch of motorway with no junctions in the area & in good weather conditions isn't really dangerous as such .( people travel a lot faster on the german autobahns when permitted ) travelling at 70 mph on a busy stretch of motorway in wet weather etc could be far more dangerous , road conditions is the key . yes it is illegal & for that he should be dealt with as anyone else would be .[/p][/quote]A mate of mine got done for doing 80mph on the M180 in broad day light and the weather conditions were as good as perfect. Was he being a danger to other road users? Maybe! After all there was only him and the police car in sight at the time. loan_star
  • Score: 8

5:58pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Edmondsley says...

Lonestar was your mate done for speeding or dangerous driving?
Lonestar was your mate done for speeding or dangerous driving? Edmondsley
  • Score: 4

7:32pm Sat 25 Jan 14

behonest says...

Anyone caught driving at 140mph would face an immediate ban and probably a jail sentence.

Anyone except a cop, that is. Who get away with it. Yet again.
Anyone caught driving at 140mph would face an immediate ban and probably a jail sentence. Anyone except a cop, that is. Who get away with it. Yet again. behonest
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

behonest says...

"But Durham Police said the unnamed PC escaped prosecution because he was a “highly skilled driver” and the car was “not driven dangerously”.

Will Durham Police make it clear that this principle applies to everyone? If I am caught driving at 140mph, but produce evidence of being a highly skilled driver and that my car was not driven dangerously, will Durham Police confirm that I will not be prosecuted?

If they refuse to do so, then whoever authorised the statement above should be sacked. The public should not have to accept double standards from an unelected, unaccountable police force.
"But Durham Police said the unnamed PC escaped prosecution because he was a “highly skilled driver” and the car was “not driven dangerously”. Will Durham Police make it clear that this principle applies to everyone? If I am caught driving at 140mph, but produce evidence of being a highly skilled driver and that my car was not driven dangerously, will Durham Police confirm that I will not be prosecuted? If they refuse to do so, then whoever authorised the statement above should be sacked. The public should not have to accept double standards from an unelected, unaccountable police force. behonest
  • Score: 5

10:57pm Sat 25 Jan 14

chronograph says...

“I don't think it would stand up in court with only the prisoner to verify what speed he was doing.” - PCC Mr HOGG stated.

Is PCC Mr HOGG implying that should court proceedings commence, then a serving police officer is going to stand up in court, and under oath state that he was not exceeding the speed limit?

As Superintended Ellis points out, he has undertaken a “rigorous internal investigation”. No doubt during this investigation the officer responsible has fully admitted to the offence, under caution!

Furthermore, are the speedometers of such police vehicles not calibrated and certified to a standard acceptable to a court ?

Was the police officer single crewed? I would think that policy would dictate that two officers should be present for a prisoner escort, therefor further corroborating evidence.

Mr HOGG, your comment, in my opinion is a cheap comment. There is more than a reasonable chance of a successful conviction in this case.
“I don't think it would stand up in court with only the prisoner to verify what speed he was doing.” - PCC Mr HOGG stated. Is PCC Mr HOGG implying that should court proceedings commence, then a serving police officer is going to stand up in court, and under oath state that he was not exceeding the speed limit? As Superintended Ellis points out, he has undertaken a “rigorous internal investigation”. No doubt during this investigation the officer responsible has fully admitted to the offence, under caution! Furthermore, are the speedometers of such police vehicles not calibrated and certified to a standard acceptable to a court ? Was the police officer single crewed? I would think that policy would dictate that two officers should be present for a prisoner escort, therefor further corroborating evidence. Mr HOGG, your comment, in my opinion is a cheap comment. There is more than a reasonable chance of a successful conviction in this case. chronograph
  • Score: 13

11:04pm Sat 25 Jan 14

think twice says...

Daily mail January 31st 2012

They undergo weeks of intensive training before finally being handed the keys to a patrol car.

But despite their expert instruction some hapless officers have trouble even getting out of the force car park.

Patrol cars owned by Durham Police were involved in 120 ACCIDENTS in the last two years, costing almost £20,000 in repairs.

And the most costly collisions occurred at its headquarters in Aykley Heads, Durham, as officers attempted to negotiate their way out of the car park.

It is perhaps fortunate then that the HQ is home to the force’s road accident investigation unit.

The total bill for the damage was £18,403, according to data released by the force under a Freedom of Information (FoI) request.

In one accident, a police vehicle hit a barrier in July last year, leaving a repair bill of £868.


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Daily mail January 31st 2012 They undergo weeks of intensive training before finally being handed the keys to a patrol car. But despite their expert instruction some hapless officers have trouble even getting out of the force car park. Patrol cars owned by Durham Police were involved in 120 ACCIDENTS in the last two years, costing almost £20,000 in repairs. And the most costly collisions occurred at its headquarters in Aykley Heads, Durham, as officers attempted to negotiate their way out of the car park. It is perhaps fortunate then that the HQ is home to the force’s road accident investigation unit. The total bill for the damage was £18,403, according to data released by the force under a Freedom of Information (FoI) request. In one accident, a police vehicle hit a barrier in July last year, leaving a repair bill of £868. Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2094117/Durham- police-drivers-cause -nearly-20-000-damag e-struggling-car-par k-force-HQ.html#ixzz 2rSCqSsGW Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook think twice
  • Score: 11

12:39am Sun 26 Jan 14

Edmondsley says...

Chrono,As a defendant the driver would not have to take the stand and the oath.
Chrono,As a defendant the driver would not have to take the stand and the oath. Edmondsley
  • Score: 1

1:10am Sun 26 Jan 14

pandorica says...

I always support our Police and always will, but I say it as I see it and if it was any member of the public caught driving at this speed, then a automatic ban would be in place, alongside a hefty fine and points on the licence. Just because you are an officer of the Law does not mean you can operate outside the law. If we all said to the police we were not driving fast for long, and we were a highly professional driver, would they cut us any slack? NO. You are in the wrong Durham Constabulary and should not need to refer yourselves, you should prosecute the officer accordingly within the remits of the law.
I always support our Police and always will, but I say it as I see it and if it was any member of the public caught driving at this speed, then a automatic ban would be in place, alongside a hefty fine and points on the licence. Just because you are an officer of the Law does not mean you can operate outside the law. If we all said to the police we were not driving fast for long, and we were a highly professional driver, would they cut us any slack? NO. You are in the wrong Durham Constabulary and should not need to refer yourselves, you should prosecute the officer accordingly within the remits of the law. pandorica
  • Score: 20

8:46am Sun 26 Jan 14

darloboss says...

Presumably the chief constable is aware of the situation and agrees to the police driver not being put to the courts. In that case the chief constable should offer his resignation and step down as he is not following the law of the land
I thought laws were made in parliament and not at aykley heads.
Presumably the chief constable is aware of the situation and agrees to the police driver not being put to the courts. In that case the chief constable should offer his resignation and step down as he is not following the law of the land I thought laws were made in parliament and not at aykley heads. darloboss
  • Score: 16

9:23am Sun 26 Jan 14

smokin says...

the police are only good drivers because everyone moves out of their way to let them pass
the police are only good drivers because everyone moves out of their way to let them pass smokin
  • Score: 3

11:47am Sun 26 Jan 14

glyn says...

Why the question "Would it stand up in court"? In the police statement they accepted that a speed of 140mph had been reached The drivers police licence was suspended and he was moved onto other duties. Also the force has reported itself. Therefore it is a safe conclusion that excessive speed was reached. I am Columbo. Oh one more thing, I have a lot of time and respect for the police as they do a difficult job BUT this driver should be prosecuted. 140 mph is dangerous
Why the question "Would it stand up in court"? In the police statement they accepted that a speed of 140mph had been reached The drivers police licence was suspended and he was moved onto other duties. Also the force has reported itself. Therefore it is a safe conclusion that excessive speed was reached. I am Columbo. Oh one more thing, I have a lot of time and respect for the police as they do a difficult job BUT this driver should be prosecuted. 140 mph is dangerous glyn
  • Score: 5

12:15pm Sun 26 Jan 14

golf810 says...

smokin wrote:
the police are only good drivers because everyone moves out of their way to let them pass
Bit of a daft and uneducated comment.
[quote][p][bold]smokin[/bold] wrote: the police are only good drivers because everyone moves out of their way to let them pass[/p][/quote]Bit of a daft and uneducated comment. golf810
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Yes people are right, people in Britain are *****supposed *******'Not to be above the law'******. Yet our favourite (after a farce of 8 Years) finally deported 'criminal anti-British lawabidding citizen cleric' was. and was 'well above our British law for years'. (Costing the British Working Taxplayer ****Millions. Reported recently in a number of British newspapers that 2OO persons, convicted in British Courts of Murder, Armed Robbery, Rape, etc, etc and further etc, are to remain in Britain (Again 'Well above the Law) because of a corrupt evil debased 'EEC (Europeon Court Ruling 'on their so called 'Europeon dictated Human Rights. ******On the other-hand,......... ****Right I am ***bored, I have been arrested, I am sitting in the back of a so called 'Speeding Police car', right I am '***Going to do a clever ****'SNEAKI' ****and report f PC plod for driving megga fast.... and report PC Megga-fast .............'.Wow -could this misdemeanour (thats if it was proved it was), rate as megga chip on my shoulder namely *** 'Anti-Police' rocket science,......*** beam me up Scottie', so I can get a 'lawabidding life'.......what a big deal. ?.
Yes people are right, people in Britain are *****supposed *******'Not to be above the law'******. Yet our favourite (after a farce of 8 Years) finally deported 'criminal anti-British lawabidding citizen cleric' was. and was 'well above our British law for years'. (Costing the British Working Taxplayer ****Millions. Reported recently in a number of British newspapers that 2OO persons, convicted in British Courts of Murder, Armed Robbery, Rape, etc, etc and further etc, are to remain in Britain (Again 'Well above the Law) because of a corrupt evil debased 'EEC (Europeon Court Ruling 'on their so called 'Europeon dictated Human Rights. ******On the other-hand,......... ****Right I am ***bored, I have been arrested, I am sitting in the back of a so called 'Speeding Police car', right I am '***Going to do a clever ****'SNEAKI' ****and report f PC plod for driving megga fast.... and report PC Megga-fast .............'.Wow -could this misdemeanour (thats if it was proved it was), rate as megga chip on my shoulder namely *** 'Anti-Police' rocket science,......*** beam me up Scottie', so I can get a 'lawabidding life'.......what a big deal. ?. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -6

12:19pm Sun 26 Jan 14

besafeoutthere says...

my mates at speed awarness course today for doing 7mph over the limit and this officer is 70mph over i think he needs go on one of these courses and explain why it was safe to go at that speed. it was not long since a motorcyclist got jailed for doing 137mph in a 70 limit. so he needs to go to jail at the least.
my mates at speed awarness course today for doing 7mph over the limit and this officer is 70mph over i think he needs go on one of these courses and explain why it was safe to go at that speed. it was not long since a motorcyclist got jailed for doing 137mph in a 70 limit. so he needs to go to jail at the least. besafeoutthere
  • Score: 10

12:44pm Sun 26 Jan 14

sineater says...

The force this officer serves with have reffered the matter to the relevant authorities---------
-- end of story.
The force this officer serves with have reffered the matter to the relevant authorities--------- -- end of story. sineater
  • Score: 2

1:22pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Edmondsley says...

Glyn the question about it standing up in court is because if it wont then its a waste of public money.If the evidence exists to take him to court then he should go for trial, however what some people on here class as evidence would not be allowed in court.
Glyn the question about it standing up in court is because if it wont then its a waste of public money.If the evidence exists to take him to court then he should go for trial, however what some people on here class as evidence would not be allowed in court. Edmondsley
  • Score: -2

1:29pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Easy back seat driver ****'Sneakie Target Eh'.........the fact is 99.9 per cent of Road Traffic Police Officers are 'excellent highly qualified drivers who do an 'excellent job' for the lawabidding public. The few rare 'misdemeanour incidents' (if fully proved and convicted course) throughtout Britain, is not mind boggling rocket-science worthy news, therefore there should be no excuse for any general 'Anti-Police-'Sneaki
e 'Chip on my shoulder witchhunts'. Many Police Officers SAVE lives on a daily basis, I have witnessed motor patrol officers 'dragging' members of the public from burning motor vehicles. Be honest nowadays, the majority of the British Public would never in a million years, apply to be a Police Officer, it is megga life threatening dangerous now, a Police Officers life is on the line everyday. If my comments do not satisfy any 'budding passionate road safety punters' then I strongly recommend they arm themselves with 'pen and pencil and camera and observe the 'car parks' (partcularly at weekends) of a few certain 'Public Houses and clubs' visited repeatedly by the same car drivers. If this does 'not suffice' then a visit to a 'minority of certain local Council estates' and observe (****again a minority), not all the same mad driving' speed' frenzy' car drivers,,and mad speed frenzy motor cyclis 'Quad bikes with sometimes ' four year olds' riding as passenger on the back, wearing no crash-helmet.. Keep them eyes peeled for the 'real criminal law breakers'.....Yon know it makes sense.
Easy back seat driver ****'Sneakie Target Eh'.........the fact is 99.9 per cent of Road Traffic Police Officers are 'excellent highly qualified drivers who do an 'excellent job' for the lawabidding public. The few rare 'misdemeanour incidents' (if fully proved and convicted course) throughtout Britain, is not mind boggling rocket-science worthy news, therefore there should be no excuse for any general 'Anti-Police-'Sneaki e 'Chip on my shoulder witchhunts'. Many Police Officers SAVE lives on a daily basis, I have witnessed motor patrol officers 'dragging' members of the public from burning motor vehicles. Be honest nowadays, the majority of the British Public would never in a million years, apply to be a Police Officer, it is megga life threatening dangerous now, a Police Officers life is on the line everyday. If my comments do not satisfy any 'budding passionate road safety punters' then I strongly recommend they arm themselves with 'pen and pencil and camera and observe the 'car parks' (partcularly at weekends) of a few certain 'Public Houses and clubs' visited repeatedly by the same car drivers. If this does 'not suffice' then a visit to a 'minority of certain local Council estates' and observe (****again a minority), not all the same mad driving' speed' frenzy' car drivers,,and mad speed frenzy motor cyclis 'Quad bikes with sometimes ' four year olds' riding as passenger on the back, wearing no crash-helmet.. Keep them eyes peeled for the 'real criminal law breakers'.....Yon know it makes sense. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -6

2:15pm Sun 26 Jan 14

tomtopper says...

To me it's all a little out of proportion.. Fair enough if he was in his own vehicle but he was in a 'marked' vehicle (all pre-driving checks done before shift), and probably give the vehicle a short burst on the newly widened A1 at an appropriate time..

Bear in mind these speeds and higher are done daily in pursuit training on single carriageway roads, using the flashing equipment only when necessary, (i.e in presence of other road users) .. This is relatively safe for a number of reasons.. Those who disagree do not understand the degree of training given..

The class 1 trained UK traffic police used to be classed as the best drivers in the world with an unbelievable hazard awareness...
I'm not that sure about the current bunch to be honest, as they did dumb down the standard a while back and watching some of these police interceptor programs, the current bunch seem to think they're in their own movie or something ..

Either way, I still think its out of proportion
To me it's all a little out of proportion.. Fair enough if he was in his own vehicle but he was in a 'marked' vehicle (all pre-driving checks done before shift), and probably give the vehicle a short burst on the newly widened A1 at an appropriate time.. Bear in mind these speeds and higher are done daily in pursuit training on single carriageway roads, using the flashing equipment only when necessary, (i.e in presence of other road users) .. This is relatively safe for a number of reasons.. Those who disagree do not understand the degree of training given.. The class 1 trained UK traffic police used to be classed as the best drivers in the world with an unbelievable hazard awareness... I'm not that sure about the current bunch to be honest, as they did dumb down the standard a while back and watching some of these police interceptor programs, the current bunch seem to think they're in their own movie or something .. Either way, I still think its out of proportion tomtopper
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cgraham says...

There is a need to serve an offender with a written Notice of Intended Prosecution (N.I.P.) if the offender is not reported at the time that the speeding offence occurred.
There is a requirement in law that the document must be served within 14 days of the offence being committed.
If one of those forms was not served on the officer then he can not be prosecuted.
I do not know what has happened in this case but I would suspect that there is the strong possibility that a failure to follow that procedure has limited the ability of senior officers to take any action other than internal discipline procedures.
There is a need to serve an offender with a written Notice of Intended Prosecution (N.I.P.) if the offender is not reported at the time that the speeding offence occurred. There is a requirement in law that the document must be served within 14 days of the offence being committed. If one of those forms was not served on the officer then he can not be prosecuted. I do not know what has happened in this case but I would suspect that there is the strong possibility that a failure to follow that procedure has limited the ability of senior officers to take any action other than internal discipline procedures. cgraham
  • Score: 1

3:52pm Sun 26 Jan 14

RooBeck says...

Presuming this case passes the legal demands, such as proof by camera/written recordings( the time/distance of departing Leeds and arrival in Darlington), plus on board recordings and the intended prosecution notice, then, I would have thought that instead of referring this to the IPCC, refer it instead to North Yorkshire Police because they are responsible for the A1 from just north of Wetherby to nearly into Darlington - by far the longest part of the journey - and let them make the decisions! The North Yorkshire Constabulary spend a great deal of time enforcing speeding laws and forever taking the opportunity to spread the "gospel" of speed restraint( and to be fair, rightly so). So, pass this one to them and let's see if their standards and decision making are consistent with their ongoing and hard-hitting policies over speed restraint and speed awareness programmes.
Presuming this case passes the legal demands, such as proof by camera/written recordings( the time/distance of departing Leeds and arrival in Darlington), plus on board recordings and the intended prosecution notice, then, I would have thought that instead of referring this to the IPCC, refer it instead to North Yorkshire Police because they are responsible for the A1 from just north of Wetherby to nearly into Darlington - by far the longest part of the journey - and let them make the decisions! The North Yorkshire Constabulary spend a great deal of time enforcing speeding laws and forever taking the opportunity to spread the "gospel" of speed restraint( and to be fair, rightly so). So, pass this one to them and let's see if their standards and decision making are consistent with their ongoing and hard-hitting policies over speed restraint and speed awareness programmes. RooBeck
  • Score: 7

4:47pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Homshaw1 says...

Mr Hogg thinks he should be prosecuted. What's the point of having a Police Commission if he does not stamp his authority on the situation and do what is right and proper.

The officer was acting in an "ultra-vires" manner and that being the case should be expected to take responsibility for his "own" actions.

There is no way there is not tacometers and GPS data to support this case, unless it has been conveniently mislaid. Council vehicles, delivery vans, gritters are all fitted with these devices.

The police have lost credibility and incidents like this make the situation worse.
Mr Hogg thinks he should be prosecuted. What's the point of having a Police Commission if he does not stamp his authority on the situation and do what is right and proper. The officer was acting in an "ultra-vires" manner and that being the case should be expected to take responsibility for his "own" actions. There is no way there is not tacometers and GPS data to support this case, unless it has been conveniently mislaid. Council vehicles, delivery vans, gritters are all fitted with these devices. The police have lost credibility and incidents like this make the situation worse. Homshaw1
  • Score: 5

5:11pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain.
Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -8

5:22pm Sun 26 Jan 14

loan_star says...

Edmondsley wrote:
Lonestar was your mate done for speeding or dangerous driving?
Done for speeding, 80mph.
[quote][p][bold]Edmondsley[/bold] wrote: Lonestar was your mate done for speeding or dangerous driving?[/p][/quote]Done for speeding, 80mph. loan_star
  • Score: 2

9:02pm Sun 26 Jan 14

chronograph says...

How about an offence of......Misconduct in a Public Office ?
How about an offence of......Misconduct in a Public Office ? chronograph
  • Score: 3

9:36pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Retro1 says...

We are becoming a little silly over speed related offences. He should have been prosecuted for speeding but not dangerous driving. His speed was not necessarily dangerous, whatever the nervous nellies on BRAKE say. How is 140mph OK in Germany but necessarily dangerous here? It's a weak argument to automatically equate high speed with dangerous driving, but a fine and short ban would have covered his offence.
We are becoming a little silly over speed related offences. He should have been prosecuted for speeding but not dangerous driving. His speed was not necessarily dangerous, whatever the nervous nellies on BRAKE say. How is 140mph OK in Germany but necessarily dangerous here? It's a weak argument to automatically equate high speed with dangerous driving, but a fine and short ban would have covered his offence. Retro1
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

You see and can readily observe worse driving (Tearaway Cars, Motor Bikes and illegal Quad-Bikes, in certain north-east 'sink Council estates' nearly every weekend. In some instances, little 'kids' are as young as '4 and 5' running around main roads and a minority of parents sitting well away from the kids, either 'drinking lager' in their gardens or no-where to be seen. Yes.............. certainly a question of 'common-sense priorities'....**Eh.
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You see and can readily observe worse driving (Tearaway Cars, Motor Bikes and illegal Quad-Bikes, in certain north-east 'sink Council estates' nearly every weekend. In some instances, little 'kids' are as young as '4 and 5' running around main roads and a minority of parents sitting well away from the kids, either 'drinking lager' in their gardens or no-where to be seen. Yes.............. certainly a question of 'common-sense priorities'....**Eh. . cushybutterfield
  • Score: -2

9:45pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Whatever *****speed turns you on I can assure you 'nine tenths' of British Drivers 'have or will break a 'legal Speed Limit', and have therefore also broken the road traffic Law.........'rightly or wrongly' this is a pure fact of 'modern day frenzy ....not ..............a minute to spare....British Lifestyle.
Whatever *****speed turns you on I can assure you 'nine tenths' of British Drivers 'have or will break a 'legal Speed Limit', and have therefore also broken the road traffic Law.........'rightly or wrongly' this is a pure fact of 'modern day frenzy ....not ..............a minute to spare....British Lifestyle. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -2

11:08pm Sun 26 Jan 14

glyn says...

Edmondsley wrote:
Glyn the question about it standing up in court is because if it wont then its a waste of public money.If the evidence exists to take him to court then he should go for trial, however what some people on here class as evidence would not be allowed in court.
Yes but my point is that there must be evidence for the police force taking the action that they did
[quote][p][bold]Edmondsley[/bold] wrote: Glyn the question about it standing up in court is because if it wont then its a waste of public money.If the evidence exists to take him to court then he should go for trial, however what some people on here class as evidence would not be allowed in court.[/p][/quote]Yes but my point is that there must be evidence for the police force taking the action that they did glyn
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Sun 26 Jan 14

glyn says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain.
silly comment... Doing his job????????????????? He was ferrying a suspect NOT reacting to an emergency
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain.[/p][/quote]silly comment... Doing his job????????????????? He was ferrying a suspect NOT reacting to an emergency glyn
  • Score: 1

2:14am Mon 27 Jan 14

mattyjack2 says...

The officer did something very wrong and from my understanding held his hands up and fully admitted his actions. He is not to blame for how his force chose to deal with it. His force have made life difficult for all cops everywhere as a result of this as if the majority of fantastic officers needed yet more unwelcome press. 364 days of the Year this officer is no doubt a fantastic public servant but on this one day he got it wrong. Please enough of the persecution.
The officer did something very wrong and from my understanding held his hands up and fully admitted his actions. He is not to blame for how his force chose to deal with it. His force have made life difficult for all cops everywhere as a result of this as if the majority of fantastic officers needed yet more unwelcome press. 364 days of the Year this officer is no doubt a fantastic public servant but on this one day he got it wrong. Please enough of the persecution. mattyjack2
  • Score: 4

11:00am Mon 27 Jan 14

Edmondsley says...

Glyn we agree.If the evidence exists that would be accepted at court then he should go on trial.Times from Leeds to Darlington is not evidence that would stand up at court.
Glyn we agree.If the evidence exists that would be accepted at court then he should go on trial.Times from Leeds to Darlington is not evidence that would stand up at court. Edmondsley
  • Score: 0

11:11am Mon 27 Jan 14

Rasselas says...

Mr Hogg should refrain from comment as the PCC. It is not within his remit to involve himself in the day to day running of the force.
That said once a plod always a plod I guess
Mr Hogg should refrain from comment as the PCC. It is not within his remit to involve himself in the day to day running of the force. That said once a plod always a plod I guess Rasselas
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Mon 27 Jan 14

jackjones13 says...

I'm not normally one for second chances but if you google this officer the only other thing that comes up is a Northern Echo story in 2008 telling of how he saved a colleagues life, couple this with his apparently exemplary work history as stated on the news...
I'm not normally one for second chances but if you google this officer the only other thing that comes up is a Northern Echo story in 2008 telling of how he saved a colleagues life, couple this with his apparently exemplary work history as stated on the news... jackjones13
  • Score: 3

2:03pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

Rasselas wrote:
Mr Hogg should refrain from comment as the PCC. It is not within his remit to involve himself in the day to day running of the force.
That said once a plod always a plod I guess
What is his remit then? I actually thought he was elected to make an unaccountable institution accountable.
[quote][p][bold]Rasselas[/bold] wrote: Mr Hogg should refrain from comment as the PCC. It is not within his remit to involve himself in the day to day running of the force. That said once a plod always a plod I guess[/p][/quote]What is his remit then? I actually thought he was elected to make an unaccountable institution accountable. Jackaranda
  • Score: 2

2:10pm Mon 27 Jan 14

mattyjack2 says...

I think the pcc is a gimmick and his remit is to say what you want to hear at the time you want to hear it so that he can be elected again in the future. It's a political post and therfore a farce.
I think the pcc is a gimmick and his remit is to say what you want to hear at the time you want to hear it so that he can be elected again in the future. It's a political post and therfore a farce. mattyjack2
  • Score: 2

2:10pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

jackjones13 wrote:
I'm not normally one for second chances but if you google this officer the only other thing that comes up is a Northern Echo story in 2008 telling of how he saved a colleagues life, couple this with his apparently exemplary work history as stated on the news...
Jack, we have been told by his seniors he has an exemplary record, but we can't have people who are required to uphold the law, breaking it. Wearing a Police uniform does not allow you to be exempt from prosecution.
[quote][p][bold]jackjones13[/bold] wrote: I'm not normally one for second chances but if you google this officer the only other thing that comes up is a Northern Echo story in 2008 telling of how he saved a colleagues life, couple this with his apparently exemplary work history as stated on the news...[/p][/quote]Jack, we have been told by his seniors he has an exemplary record, but we can't have people who are required to uphold the law, breaking it. Wearing a Police uniform does not allow you to be exempt from prosecution. Jackaranda
  • Score: 2

6:20pm Mon 27 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

This officer has 'owned up' and this now smacks of a 'political orientated' 'self-interest motivated' easy-target persecution driven 'Witch Hunt'. mania on a honest Police officer with **examplery character. . On this one ***David Lacey, 'shame on you', your comments which in my opinion are totally exaggerated and certainly out of context', you certainly need a real 'working ******Police-experie
nce City 'beat reality check**** away from your 'Cotton-Wool political world' and personally experience at first hand, **todays British Street and 'sink-estate life' at its worst. Further more . D>L> you make . *****No mention of Police Officers who on a virtual daily basis *****save peoples lives**** and given bravery awards. ***No mention of the Police Officer , protecting his community and shot 'point blank' in the face and blinded by a 'cowardly Newcastle criminal' ****** ** *****No mention of Police officers subjected to *****daily physical and verbal abuse. ****No mention of Police Officers having to deal with ****'alcohol sodden', '...................
..... anti-social'.... 'aggressive frenzy' behaviour, weekend after weekend, in the renowned.......... ***drink like fishes, **crime ridden ........... 'North East of England' ),.... I sorry but you posting does smack of .complete bias.namely......... 'chip on my shoulder, 'Anti-Police' inference. On a general note I would love to see some of these (not all of course), repeat ................. 'Anti-Police' 'saddo critics', and 'legal known all's, 'down'... a Police Uniform' and patrol a 'British City beat'. ..... I would certainly predict that after such a .....'reality recurring shock experience' they would all be 'scurrying' back home 'poste-haste' to their warm beds and family,.. after experiencing and dealing at first hand with the recurring criminal 'dregs of society'. Yes David like...*** Paul on the road to Damascus', I would certainly predict .......... a**** new life changing everlasting light' ,would both shine and come over you,,with the pure 'reality of the everyday task of having to deal, face to face *****, with 'aggressive criminals',. (some who would a a 'drop of a hat' mug their own grandmother for a 'Pound or a can of lager' or steal Mrs ******widow**** Cannybodies purse when she tendering her husbands grave at a local cementay purse),. thats not counting, 'Murderers,also, Child Murderers and 'cruelty beaters, Grevious Bodily Harm Punters, 'drunken abusive shoplifters,.....' burglers, 'rapists', 'sex offenders',' 'Suicides', distressed elderly who have been robbed and 'conned' of their 'last penny pensions' and often dangerous again often aggressive.....'drug
gie and drink' fuelled 'dross,' carrying knives, 'HIV druggie' hyperdermic syhringes, and sometimes guns. ' Its called professional hardworking, ' Police world daily reality' and *****putting your life on the line, every day of your working life. ............. It certainly begs the Question ?, .I wonder just how long ? would you last in such a role ?. ********Two days maximum ..Eh. ................and certainly puts so called speeding in exact proportion and context.......Eh (again).
This officer has 'owned up' and this now smacks of a 'political orientated' 'self-interest motivated' easy-target persecution driven 'Witch Hunt'. mania on a honest Police officer with **examplery character. . On this one ***David Lacey, 'shame on you', your comments which in my opinion are totally exaggerated and certainly out of context', you certainly need a real 'working ******Police-experie nce City 'beat reality check**** away from your 'Cotton-Wool political world' and personally experience at first hand, **todays British Street and 'sink-estate life' at its worst. Further more . D>L> you make . *****No mention of Police Officers who on a virtual daily basis *****save peoples lives**** and given bravery awards. ***No mention of the Police Officer , protecting his community and shot 'point blank' in the face and blinded by a 'cowardly Newcastle criminal' ****** ** *****No mention of Police officers subjected to *****daily physical and verbal abuse. ****No mention of Police Officers having to deal with ****'alcohol sodden', '................... ..... anti-social'.... 'aggressive frenzy' behaviour, weekend after weekend, in the renowned.......... ***drink like fishes, **crime ridden ........... 'North East of England' ),.... I sorry but you posting does smack of .complete bias.namely......... 'chip on my shoulder, 'Anti-Police' inference. On a general note I would love to see some of these (not all of course), repeat ................. 'Anti-Police' 'saddo critics', and 'legal known all's, 'down'... a Police Uniform' and patrol a 'British City beat'. ..... I would certainly predict that after such a .....'reality recurring shock experience' they would all be 'scurrying' back home 'poste-haste' to their warm beds and family,.. after experiencing and dealing at first hand with the recurring criminal 'dregs of society'. Yes David like...*** Paul on the road to Damascus', I would certainly predict .......... a**** new life changing everlasting light' ,would both shine and come over you,,with the pure 'reality of the everyday task of having to deal, face to face *****, with 'aggressive criminals',. (some who would a a 'drop of a hat' mug their own grandmother for a 'Pound or a can of lager' or steal Mrs ******widow**** Cannybodies purse when she tendering her husbands grave at a local cementay purse),. thats not counting, 'Murderers,also, Child Murderers and 'cruelty beaters, Grevious Bodily Harm Punters, 'drunken abusive shoplifters,.....' burglers, 'rapists', 'sex offenders',' 'Suicides', distressed elderly who have been robbed and 'conned' of their 'last penny pensions' and often dangerous again often aggressive.....'drug gie and drink' fuelled 'dross,' carrying knives, 'HIV druggie' hyperdermic syhringes, and sometimes guns. ' Its called professional hardworking, ' Police world daily reality' and *****putting your life on the line, every day of your working life. ............. It certainly begs the Question ?, .I wonder just how long ? would you last in such a role ?. ********Two days maximum ..Eh. ................and certainly puts so called speeding in exact proportion and context.......Eh (again). cushybutterfield
  • Score: 1

8:55pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Darkroom Devil says...

Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right?

Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience.
Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right? Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience. Darkroom Devil
  • Score: 6

12:53am Tue 28 Jan 14

mattyjack2 says...

Darkroom Devil wrote:
Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right?

Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Darkroom Devil[/bold] wrote: Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right? Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience.[/p][/quote]Well said. mattyjack2
  • Score: 3

2:08am Tue 28 Jan 14

pandorica says...

I agree with a mixture of all comments on here, and personally its not about persecuting THe Police. I know exactly the dangers they face on a daily basis, alongside other members of the emergency services. I have said in previous posts I will always support the police. But reality check, what if an accident had occurred at such a high speed? I am sure The Motorway Police will not be pulling anything other than deceased people from the police car. If the law is the law then its applicable to all regardless of status and profession. I do think this officer was set up, I also think he feels like a fool now, and I also think he probably did 1 foolish spurt on the motorway rather than drive at 140 mph consistently. Practice what you preach.
I agree with a mixture of all comments on here, and personally its not about persecuting THe Police. I know exactly the dangers they face on a daily basis, alongside other members of the emergency services. I have said in previous posts I will always support the police. But reality check, what if an accident had occurred at such a high speed? I am sure The Motorway Police will not be pulling anything other than deceased people from the police car. If the law is the law then its applicable to all regardless of status and profession. I do think this officer was set up, I also think he feels like a fool now, and I also think he probably did 1 foolish spurt on the motorway rather than drive at 140 mph consistently. Practice what you preach. pandorica
  • Score: 1

6:23am Tue 28 Jan 14

johnny_p says...

mattyjack2 wrote:
Darkroom Devil wrote:
Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right?

Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience.
Well said.
Absolutely, I agree fully.

But the problem here for me isn't that he was speeding, only that he was trying to impress or show off to a prisoner in his care. So what are the Police now? A cozy little boys club which befriends criminals, lags and the very same naughty boys it is supposed to be protecting us from? A band of brothers playing around with the spoils of the publics' taxes? Why should the Police be trying to impress criminals, and are they so naive to think that the prisoner wouldn't mention it again afterwards?

I think the Police have some serious questions to answer here.
[quote][p][bold]mattyjack2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darkroom Devil[/bold] wrote: Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right? Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, I agree fully. But the problem here for me isn't that he was speeding, only that he was trying to impress or show off to a prisoner in his care. So what are the Police now? A cozy little boys club which befriends criminals, lags and the very same naughty boys it is supposed to be protecting us from? A band of brothers playing around with the spoils of the publics' taxes? Why should the Police be trying to impress criminals, and are they so naive to think that the prisoner wouldn't mention it again afterwards? I think the Police have some serious questions to answer here. johnny_p
  • Score: 2

7:31am Tue 28 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

johnny_p wrote:
mattyjack2 wrote:
Darkroom Devil wrote:
Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right?

Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience.
Well said.
Absolutely, I agree fully.

But the problem here for me isn't that he was speeding, only that he was trying to impress or show off to a prisoner in his care. So what are the Police now? A cozy little boys club which befriends criminals, lags and the very same naughty boys it is supposed to be protecting us from? A band of brothers playing around with the spoils of the publics' taxes? Why should the Police be trying to impress criminals, and are they so naive to think that the prisoner wouldn't mention it again afterwards?

I think the Police have some serious questions to answer here.
You have a point.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mattyjack2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darkroom Devil[/bold] wrote: Can we not just treat this officer like the rest of us. If he didn't go past a speed camera and didn't get clocked by a police car with the right equipment on board then so be it. That's what happens to the rest of us right? Sometimes a fright without a penalty is the best learning experience.[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, I agree fully. But the problem here for me isn't that he was speeding, only that he was trying to impress or show off to a prisoner in his care. So what are the Police now? A cozy little boys club which befriends criminals, lags and the very same naughty boys it is supposed to be protecting us from? A band of brothers playing around with the spoils of the publics' taxes? Why should the Police be trying to impress criminals, and are they so naive to think that the prisoner wouldn't mention it again afterwards? I think the Police have some serious questions to answer here.[/p][/quote]You have a point. Jackaranda
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Tue 28 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

A decent hardworking Police Officer who has 'overstepped the mark',, a decent bloke with examplery character, the **target now of a very small minority ,.....some (not all of course) of whom appear to be embroiled in a climate of vindictiveness, politically backed or otherwise...........
.......On a much more general note on justice that is '....Seen to be done'...... you cannot stop of expressing some frustration, which beggars all belief when at the same time we have over 2OO criminals convicted of serious crime such as walking around British Streets convicted of 'Murder and Rape' who because of a 'Europeon Court' ruling on so called human rights are **infringed therefore they are NOT deported. 'Yes' lets all see that justice is both seen and done to the letter of the law..
A decent hardworking Police Officer who has 'overstepped the mark',, a decent bloke with examplery character, the **target now of a very small minority ,.....some (not all of course) of whom appear to be embroiled in a climate of vindictiveness, politically backed or otherwise........... .......On a much more general note on justice that is '....Seen to be done'...... you cannot stop of expressing some frustration, which beggars all belief when at the same time we have over 2OO criminals convicted of serious crime such as walking around British Streets convicted of 'Murder and Rape' who because of a 'Europeon Court' ruling on so called human rights are **infringed therefore they are NOT deported. 'Yes' lets all see that justice is both seen and done to the letter of the law.. cushybutterfield
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8:14pm Wed 29 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

(cont) but Justice, in my opinion is most certainly **not when **serious crime convicted suggested deportees' are concerned. One 'law for one one for another', that your '-liberal minded- twisted 'Anti-British' European Commission for, you, 'As much use to Britain as a 'chocolate fireguard and not worth a light'............al
l for the 'criminals' and not for the decent (working)..........w
orking class people of Britain. 'We all know who to vote for next time around', I certainly do.
(cont) but Justice, in my opinion is most certainly **not when **serious crime convicted suggested deportees' are concerned. One 'law for one one for another', that your '-liberal minded- twisted 'Anti-British' European Commission for, you, 'As much use to Britain as a 'chocolate fireguard and not worth a light'............al l for the 'criminals' and not for the decent (working)..........w orking class people of Britain. 'We all know who to vote for next time around', I certainly do. cushybutterfield
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9:11pm Wed 29 Jan 14

settheworldonfire says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain.
The copper should be prosecuted....NO IFS >>>NO BUTS>>> as usual cops are bent....
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain.[/p][/quote]The copper should be prosecuted....NO IFS >>>NO BUTS>>> as usual cops are bent.... settheworldonfire
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4:30pm Thu 30 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Anonymous.........'.
So hardworking coppers' with 'exemplary character' that have 'saved peoples lives ******are bent, it seems to me ***dude you may well have typed this in error the ' the wrong way around'. Have you ?. There are two BOOKS available now that has just be published. The ** BOOK TITLES are How can ?...********** I get rid of this 'ignorant chip' on my shoulder, I need help now***** The ****second Book is entitled, 'Help me to find a job as a bouncer for Mothercare'........'
well recommended reading material.'..and both books are available free at your local library.............
....................
.If the cap fits wear it, you know it makes sense... Its a fair bet you would not have the 'guts/backbone' to walk down and patrol a street for 2O minutes as a Police Officer.
Anonymous.........'. So hardworking coppers' with 'exemplary character' that have 'saved peoples lives ******are bent, it seems to me ***dude you may well have typed this in error the ' the wrong way around'. Have you ?. There are two BOOKS available now that has just be published. The ** BOOK TITLES are How can ?...********** I get rid of this 'ignorant chip' on my shoulder, I need help now***** The ****second Book is entitled, 'Help me to find a job as a bouncer for Mothercare'........' well recommended reading material.'..and both books are available free at your local library............. .................... .If the cap fits wear it, you know it makes sense... Its a fair bet you would not have the 'guts/backbone' to walk down and patrol a street for 2O minutes as a Police Officer. cushybutterfield
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4:35pm Thu 30 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

NO IFS or BUTS ...............What a 'selfish childish (How old ?), pathetic 'ignorant negative remark', directed at Police with 'exemplary conduct' who have put their own lives on the line and have actually.....saved peoples lives.
NO IFS or BUTS ...............What a 'selfish childish (How old ?), pathetic 'ignorant negative remark', directed at Police with 'exemplary conduct' who have put their own lives on the line and have actually.....saved peoples lives. cushybutterfield
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4:52pm Thu 30 Jan 14

behonest says...

settheworldonfire wrote:
cushybutterfield wrote:
Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain.
The copper should be prosecuted....NO IFS >>>NO BUTS>>> as usual cops are bent....
Nah, come on. If you or I were caught speeding at 140mph I'm sure the cops would first try to ascertain whether we were decent, hardworking people. And, if so, they would then let us off. Wouldn't they?

I wonder if Durham Police 'referred itself' only after making sure in advance that the IPCC would take no further action. We'll see.
[quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Boy what a pathetic 'political legal eagle' 'know-all' sneaking 'smear exaggerating' pathetic country' this has become, lets persecute a 'Police Officer' doing his job and blow it all out of proportion. The next thing will be some clown complaining that a 'Fire Engine' going to a fire, is doing over 3O Miles per Hour and/or people being reported for 'blowing off wind in public'. **********Common Sense, it as certainly died a death in Britain.[/p][/quote]The copper should be prosecuted....NO IFS >>>NO BUTS>>> as usual cops are bent....[/p][/quote]Nah, come on. If you or I were caught speeding at 140mph I'm sure the cops would first try to ascertain whether we were decent, hardworking people. And, if so, they would then let us off. Wouldn't they? I wonder if Durham Police 'referred itself' only after making sure in advance that the IPCC would take no further action. We'll see. behonest
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12:07pm Fri 31 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

I bet this ' hardworking Police Officer with examplery conduct', 'guts and 'backbone'', is having a real 'good laugh' (probalby bursting his sides in **pure merriment), at some of the negative, ****'chip on your shoulder' , ''feeling sorry for themselves', 'whinging saddo' local punters on this site. I just hope this Police Officer is watching out for some of them 'on the roads' and follows up every ... .....'A to Z traffic offence' in the book 'and more' and the best of 'good luck to him', he would be 'continuing to carry out a great commendable job of work' and essential public service',', serving the 'decent lawabidding working class public' and saving lives...
I bet this ' hardworking Police Officer with examplery conduct', 'guts and 'backbone'', is having a real 'good laugh' (probalby bursting his sides in **pure merriment), at some of the negative, ****'chip on your shoulder' , ''feeling sorry for themselves', 'whinging saddo' local punters on this site. I just hope this Police Officer is watching out for some of them 'on the roads' and follows up every ... .....'A to Z traffic offence' in the book 'and more' and the best of 'good luck to him', he would be 'continuing to carry out a great commendable job of work' and essential public service',', serving the 'decent lawabidding working class public' and saving lives... cushybutterfield
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