County Durham market trader in breadline row with Minister

Welfare Minister Iain Duncan Smith

Welfare Minister Iain Duncan Smith

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WELFARE Minister Iain Duncan Smith was facing mounting anger last night after a bruising encounter with a North-East market trader who challenged him to live on only £53 a week.

The Work and Pensions Secretary, who earns £1,581 a week after tax, claimed he could get by on £53 during a heated debate with County Durham man David Bennett.

Mr Bennett, a father-of-two, challenged the former Tory Party leader on a BBC Radio discussion about the impact of the Government's new welfare shake-up. He said the reforms, which opponents say will hit the poorest in society, will leave him destitute and disputed the Government's claims that the changes will help people break free of benefits.

Mr Duncan Smith was appearing on BBC Radio 4's Today programme as part of a Government fightback in the face of withering criticism of the welfare changes, including the so-called bedroom tax that will hit 660,000 social housing tenants.

But his plan backfired spectacularly when Mr Bennett, who works between 50 and 70 hours per week, confronted him.

Asked whether he could live on £53 a week, Mr Duncan Smith, a former Army officer who married into a wealthy family, replied: "If I had to, I would."

The claim was immediately latched on to by campaigners who set up an online petition calling on him to "prove" he could survive on £53 a week. By last night more than 100,000 people had signed the petition.

Mr Bennett, who lives in the Wear Valley, said last night: "Mr Duncan Smith claims to support small businesses, self employed people and those prepared to work.

"I work around 60 hours a week for nothing, as I am trying to set a business up. His government's policies have just about wiped me out."

Mr Bennett angrily dismissed Mr Duncan Smith's suggestion he should look for another job: "He has the audacity to suggest I go and look for a job that pays more as if I haven't already thought of that.

"I would like him to come and stand in the market with me in the snow and see what life is really like."

Before setting up as a market trader three years ago, Mr Bennett worked as a credit manager for 30 years but was made redundant.

Last year, he earned £2,700, which took him over the threshold for receiving full housing benefit, meaning his monthly allowance was reduced from £75 to £57.

He also receives £50 a week in working tax credits but his benefits only just cover his monthly rent of £400, leaving him with £53 to pay bills, buy food and make a small contribution to his council tax.

He added: "There are people out there who are getting benefits they don't deserve and should be targeted - people who refuse to work and have no intention of working, alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters.

"They should be targeted, not the people trying their best. I have been paying national insurance and tax into the system for more than 30 years and taking nothing out. You expect to get some help when you need it."

Mr Duncan Smith said the housing benefit bill had doubled in ten years under Labour, and a quarter of a million people were living in overcrowded social housing.

"We're in an economic mess," he said. "We inherited a problem where we simply don't have the money to spend on all the things people would like us to do.

"What I am trying to do is get this so we dont spend money on things that are unfair.

"What we are trying to do is get control of the welfare bill . . . without actually slashing or attacking people; we are trying to reform and change it."

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6:47am Tue 2 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Iain Duncan Smith is a walking disaster. His policies keep getting challenged in the courts so he re writes them, even having the law changed retrospectively to avoid the consequences. His flagship work programme has a success rate lower than if doing nothing but costing 5 billion. His employment and unemployment figures are incorrect and can be easily de bunked by looking at the facts. He knows people have died as a result of his work capability tests but simply couldn't care less. His new Universal Credit system has been delayed yet again as it's in a mess before it starts.
He famously lied on his CV and employed his wife as his secretary (at tax payers expense) who was never actually seen working.
100,000 people signing a petition in one day should tell him something, surely.
How can these politicians be taken seriously when they are so incompetant and untrustworthy?
In any other walk of life he would have been sacked long ago.
Iain Duncan Smith is a walking disaster. His policies keep getting challenged in the courts so he re writes them, even having the law changed retrospectively to avoid the consequences. His flagship work programme has a success rate lower than if doing nothing but costing 5 billion. His employment and unemployment figures are incorrect and can be easily de bunked by looking at the facts. He knows people have died as a result of his work capability tests but simply couldn't care less. His new Universal Credit system has been delayed yet again as it's in a mess before it starts. He famously lied on his CV and employed his wife as his secretary (at tax payers expense) who was never actually seen working. 100,000 people signing a petition in one day should tell him something, surely. How can these politicians be taken seriously when they are so incompetant and untrustworthy? In any other walk of life he would have been sacked long ago. Jonn
  • Score: 13

9:12am Tue 2 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Make that 120,000 signatures on the petition now.
Make that 120,000 signatures on the petition now. Jonn
  • Score: -4

9:37am Tue 2 Apr 13

David Lacey says...

IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.
IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income. David Lacey
  • Score: -3

9:43am Tue 2 Apr 13

JonYou says...

Well said Mr Lacey
Well said Mr Lacey JonYou
  • Score: -1

9:49am Tue 2 Apr 13

Voice-of-reality says...

IDS has at least had the balls to try to tackle the biggest scourge of our time 'welfare dependency' as opposed to 'welfare usage' - the latter being, for those who get confused, when one merely claims from the state for a short period and benefits do not become a way of life. As for the working of 60-70 hours a week: a fraction of what a Minister such as IDS will work. I also have no doubt, that with a sensible approach to budgeting IDS could indeed live on £53 per week. However, having worked all of his life - would not IDS get the higher rate of a contributions based allowance? - Once more underlining the benefits of paying into the system as opposed to just being a claimer.
IDS has at least had the balls to try to tackle the biggest scourge of our time 'welfare dependency' as opposed to 'welfare usage' - the latter being, for those who get confused, when one merely claims from the state for a short period and benefits do not become a way of life. As for the working of 60-70 hours a week: a fraction of what a Minister such as IDS will work. I also have no doubt, that with a sensible approach to budgeting IDS could indeed live on £53 per week. However, having worked all of his life - would not IDS get the higher rate of a contributions based allowance? - Once more underlining the benefits of paying into the system as opposed to just being a claimer. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: -1

9:56am Tue 2 Apr 13

johnty says...

DON'T THINK HE CAN DO IT MAYBE A WEEK BUT WHAT HE HAS TO REMEMBER IS WEAR And tear on work goods and home life clothing as well just think if extra bedroom well there£10 plus gone why do they not just admit well I admire you but I couldn't do it been looking for the site to sign the online petition no luck yet anyone know
DON'T THINK HE CAN DO IT MAYBE A WEEK BUT WHAT HE HAS TO REMEMBER IS WEAR And tear on work goods and home life clothing as well just think if extra bedroom well there£10 plus gone why do they not just admit well I admire you but I couldn't do it been looking for the site to sign the online petition no luck yet anyone know johnty
  • Score: -4

10:03am Tue 2 Apr 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Johnty, sorry to be awkward but could you try that again?
Johnty, sorry to be awkward but could you try that again? Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 3

10:08am Tue 2 Apr 13

simon cowells pants says...

Lacey you and the likes of that waste of skin Duncan Smith are nothing but extremeist right wing scum, he's a hero? fiddles the public purse by employing his wife, who never does any work, and gets away scot free?, You can't criticise the man in the article, you don't know him or his circumstances, so your comments just reek of bile and spite. You criticise purely because he doesn't agree with the bigotted ideology you follow and spout.Please crawl back under the stone from where you came.
VOR IDS or any minister for that matter wouldn't know what a 60 hour working weeking was.
The culture of spite and greed and infighting amongst the lower classes, whilst blindly ignoring the real culprits (Banks and the upper classes) is exactly what the Tories want.
Lacey you and the likes of that waste of skin Duncan Smith are nothing but extremeist right wing scum, he's a hero? fiddles the public purse by employing his wife, who never does any work, and gets away scot free?, You can't criticise the man in the article, you don't know him or his circumstances, so your comments just reek of bile and spite. You criticise purely because he doesn't agree with the bigotted ideology you follow and spout.Please crawl back under the stone from where you came. VOR IDS or any minister for that matter wouldn't know what a 60 hour working weeking was. The culture of spite and greed and infighting amongst the lower classes, whilst blindly ignoring the real culprits (Banks and the upper classes) is exactly what the Tories want. simon cowells pants
  • Score: 3

10:19am Tue 2 Apr 13

jewitt says...

David Lacey wrote:
IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.
then you absolutely no nothing about the demands of setting up a small business Mr Lacey. You're a typical neo-conservative, head full of big business with a blinkered perspective. The one lesson of life I've always carried with me is that the Tories never ever practise what they preach. High moral statements but the first to put their noses in the trough. Shame they don't apply the same scrutiny to the tax affairs of the rich and the fat cat corporate bonuses.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.[/p][/quote]then you absolutely no nothing about the demands of setting up a small business Mr Lacey. You're a typical neo-conservative, head full of big business with a blinkered perspective. The one lesson of life I've always carried with me is that the Tories never ever practise what they preach. High moral statements but the first to put their noses in the trough. Shame they don't apply the same scrutiny to the tax affairs of the rich and the fat cat corporate bonuses. jewitt
  • Score: 3

10:25am Tue 2 Apr 13

st-george1 says...

What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them !
Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai
mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first.
For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time !
What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time ! st-george1
  • Score: 10

10:29am Tue 2 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Make that 133,000 signatures now.
Make that 133,000 signatures now. Jonn
  • Score: 1

10:36am Tue 2 Apr 13

johnty says...

H IVoice-of-reality SORRY I DO NOT KNOW WHICH YOU WANT ME TO TRY AGAIN IF IT IS THE CAPS IT IS FOR MY BENIFIT AS I HAVE DONE WITH MANY REPLIES IN THE ECHO UNFORTUNATELY THE CAPS LOCK CAME OFF BUT MY TOUCH TYPING KEPT ME OK SORRY IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS SHOUITING BUT YOU WILL FIND ALOT MORE PEOPLE HAVING TO USE CAPS WHEN TYPING WITH ELDERLY AND DISABLED FOLK USING THE INTERNET MORE
H IVoice-of-reality SORRY I DO NOT KNOW WHICH YOU WANT ME TO TRY AGAIN IF IT IS THE CAPS IT IS FOR MY BENIFIT AS I HAVE DONE WITH MANY REPLIES IN THE ECHO UNFORTUNATELY THE CAPS LOCK CAME OFF BUT MY TOUCH TYPING KEPT ME OK SORRY IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS SHOUITING BUT YOU WILL FIND ALOT MORE PEOPLE HAVING TO USE CAPS WHEN TYPING WITH ELDERLY AND DISABLED FOLK USING THE INTERNET MORE johnty
  • Score: -2

10:39am Tue 2 Apr 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Actually Jewitt it tends to be the Labour party who put their noses in the trough, (Milliband springs to mind this week), whereas the Tories tend to have more sex scandals.
Actually Jewitt it tends to be the Labour party who put their noses in the trough, (Milliband springs to mind this week), whereas the Tories tend to have more sex scandals. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 6

10:45am Tue 2 Apr 13

The Grim North says...

st-george1 wrote:
What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time !
A typical human reaction when your argument is lost. Thats why the bile usually comes from socialists. Normally they revert to the default position of accusing you of being a facist.
[quote][p][bold]st-george1[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time ![/p][/quote]A typical human reaction when your argument is lost. Thats why the bile usually comes from socialists. Normally they revert to the default position of accusing you of being a facist. The Grim North
  • Score: 5

11:12am Tue 2 Apr 13

CTRILEY says...

st-george1 wrote:
What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time !
How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs?
[quote][p][bold]st-george1[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time ![/p][/quote]How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs? CTRILEY
  • Score: 1

11:47am Tue 2 Apr 13

Jonn says...

IDS a hero! 13 year Kieran McArdles Dad, a recovering stroke victim, died of a heart attack the day after he had his benefit stopped after being declared 'fit for work'. Kieran wrote a letter to Iain Duncan Smith explaining his concerns of how he felt the way his Dad was treated caused his death. IDS took 3 weeks to respond, explaining that welfare changes were very important and he should contact the local job centre for more information.
Yeah, what a hero!
IDS a hero! 13 year Kieran McArdles Dad, a recovering stroke victim, died of a heart attack the day after he had his benefit stopped after being declared 'fit for work'. Kieran wrote a letter to Iain Duncan Smith explaining his concerns of how he felt the way his Dad was treated caused his death. IDS took 3 weeks to respond, explaining that welfare changes were very important and he should contact the local job centre for more information. Yeah, what a hero! Jonn
  • Score: 3

11:53am Tue 2 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Come on folks, sign the petition!
152,000 and counting.

https://www.change.o
rg/en-GB/petitions/i
ain-duncan-smith-iai
n-duncan-smith-to-li
ve-on-53-a-week
Come on folks, sign the petition! 152,000 and counting. https://www.change.o rg/en-GB/petitions/i ain-duncan-smith-iai n-duncan-smith-to-li ve-on-53-a-week Jonn
  • Score: 1

12:02pm Tue 2 Apr 13

simmo707 says...

BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES – CAMERON’S MANAGERIAL SKILLS
Cameron we the population of Britain have suffered your Lies and Spin but now your managerial skills are put into question, you allow one Foreign Secretary on the Gravy Train to let his mate tag along free .You allow a man that should be tried for Corporate Manslaughter to keep his job .You allow a personal mate to run the Economy who couldn’t add up a shopping list ,a Fascist to be in Charge of Welfare in this Country and you expect us the Electorate to take you seriously ,Miliband is no better doing an underhand deal with you behind the scenes allowing Labour an inquiry into Welfare Reform .I’ve ‘heard of gutter press‘ but it’s now ‘Gutter Government’ we are the sheep that need rescuing from you wwwbrokenbritainunde
rtories.com
BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES – CAMERON’S MANAGERIAL SKILLS Cameron we the population of Britain have suffered your Lies and Spin but now your managerial skills are put into question, you allow one Foreign Secretary on the Gravy Train to let his mate tag along free .You allow a man that should be tried for Corporate Manslaughter to keep his job .You allow a personal mate to run the Economy who couldn’t add up a shopping list ,a Fascist to be in Charge of Welfare in this Country and you expect us the Electorate to take you seriously ,Miliband is no better doing an underhand deal with you behind the scenes allowing Labour an inquiry into Welfare Reform .I’ve ‘heard of gutter press‘ but it’s now ‘Gutter Government’ we are the sheep that need rescuing from you wwwbrokenbritainunde rtories.com simmo707
  • Score: -1

12:25pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Duke of Aycliffe says...

CTRILEY wrote:
st-george1 wrote:
What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time !
How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs?
If that is the case, CTRILEY & with respect how come all the Poles I meet in Newton Aycliffe seem to have had no problems in finding work in manufacturing, as taxi drivers, as doormen, as mechanics etc?
Also, I've always worked & not because I'm particularly bright, it's because in the past I've taken temporary jobs which other people turned their noses up at., so the argument that the mines closed etc is old & worn out. The mines & big old style employers are long gone & we need to move on.
It is unfair that genuinely ill & disabled people have been affected unfairly by these benefit changes however, there will always be change throughout life & life is unfair. However a lot of people have have taken the mick out of the system in the past & still do. By that I mean the hardcore of people who just don't want to work, the alcholics & druggies & families who keep churning out kids without a care as to who pays because the stupid working man & woman will always pick up the bill. Just like our previous "disabled" neighbours, he couldn't work because his brain might explode & she had a bad heart, didn't stop them getting p/ssed up every Friday & Saturday night & going to Spain on baccy runs. I rest my case...
[quote][p][bold]CTRILEY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st-george1[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time ![/p][/quote]How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs?[/p][/quote]If that is the case, CTRILEY & with respect how come all the Poles I meet in Newton Aycliffe seem to have had no problems in finding work in manufacturing, as taxi drivers, as doormen, as mechanics etc? Also, I've always worked & not because I'm particularly bright, it's because in the past I've taken temporary jobs which other people turned their noses up at., so the argument that the mines closed etc is old & worn out. The mines & big old style employers are long gone & we need to move on. It is unfair that genuinely ill & disabled people have been affected unfairly by these benefit changes however, there will always be change throughout life & life is unfair. However a lot of people have have taken the mick out of the system in the past & still do. By that I mean the hardcore of people who just don't want to work, the alcholics & druggies & families who keep churning out kids without a care as to who pays because the stupid working man & woman will always pick up the bill. Just like our previous "disabled" neighbours, he couldn't work because his brain might explode & she had a bad heart, didn't stop them getting p/ssed up every Friday & Saturday night & going to Spain on baccy runs. I rest my case... Duke of Aycliffe
  • Score: 8

3:10pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Loopy74 says...

I agree that those who won't work should be penalised and forced to look for work but unfortunately this doesn't seem to be happening, it's those who want to work that are being penalised.

I don't however believe that he could live on £53 per week for a full year, hopefully he will take the challenge up and be filmed to prove he actually did it. He could also donate the income he didn't need to use to charity??
I agree that those who won't work should be penalised and forced to look for work but unfortunately this doesn't seem to be happening, it's those who want to work that are being penalised. I don't however believe that he could live on £53 per week for a full year, hopefully he will take the challenge up and be filmed to prove he actually did it. He could also donate the income he didn't need to use to charity?? Loopy74
  • Score: -4

3:19pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

Well done to all those folks who think filling a petition is going to help although you aren't going to get those precious few minutes of your life back.....but do you REALLY think it's going to make Jack Shack difference?
Are you so naive?
Yes, I'm sure he went to bed worrying .
IDS has just got the sticky end of a very sticky stick that needs fixing thanks to Labours constant ignoring of the problem. Strange how Labour didn't get all teary eyed when the homeless figures went through the roof during their term.
And when someone has a better idea, (other than an approach very similar to the Tory own approach which involves brick bats and mash hammers), I will read and respect.
Well done to all those folks who think filling a petition is going to help although you aren't going to get those precious few minutes of your life back.....but do you REALLY think it's going to make Jack Shack difference? Are you so naive? Yes, I'm sure he went to bed worrying . IDS has just got the sticky end of a very sticky stick that needs fixing thanks to Labours constant ignoring of the problem. Strange how Labour didn't get all teary eyed when the homeless figures went through the roof during their term. And when someone has a better idea, (other than an approach very similar to the Tory own approach which involves brick bats and mash hammers), I will read and respect. Copley23
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Tue 2 Apr 13

the-big-yin says...

Duke of Aycliffe wrote:
CTRILEY wrote:
st-george1 wrote:
What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time !
How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs?
If that is the case, CTRILEY & with respect how come all the Poles I meet in Newton Aycliffe seem to have had no problems in finding work in manufacturing, as taxi drivers, as doormen, as mechanics etc?
Also, I've always worked & not because I'm particularly bright, it's because in the past I've taken temporary jobs which other people turned their noses up at., so the argument that the mines closed etc is old & worn out. The mines & big old style employers are long gone & we need to move on.
It is unfair that genuinely ill & disabled people have been affected unfairly by these benefit changes however, there will always be change throughout life & life is unfair. However a lot of people have have taken the mick out of the system in the past & still do. By that I mean the hardcore of people who just don't want to work, the alcholics & druggies & families who keep churning out kids without a care as to who pays because the stupid working man & woman will always pick up the bill. Just like our previous "disabled" neighbours, he couldn't work because his brain might explode & she had a bad heart, didn't stop them getting p/ssed up every Friday & Saturday night & going to Spain on baccy runs. I rest my case...
Well said..the government needs to tackle those who are claiming benefits, while at the same time fiddling or bluffing the system or selling drugs for a living....Once they tackle them it may start to improve every ones lives..This so called bedroom tax would work, if there were any 1 or 2 bedroom properties for people to down size to...Councils around the country need to give all details of 1 and 2 bedroom properties they have to the government department who put this plan into action. Then they may see that they are punishing real benefit claimants instead of the bluffing , thieving, skiving layabout druggie p.i.s.s.h.e.a.d.s. who they should be targeting. Where i live there are families who drive around in mobility cars and have decent houses, that are bluffing and playing the system, while making a living selling drugs and dodgy fags....NEEDS SORTING!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Duke of Aycliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CTRILEY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st-george1[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time ![/p][/quote]How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs?[/p][/quote]If that is the case, CTRILEY & with respect how come all the Poles I meet in Newton Aycliffe seem to have had no problems in finding work in manufacturing, as taxi drivers, as doormen, as mechanics etc? Also, I've always worked & not because I'm particularly bright, it's because in the past I've taken temporary jobs which other people turned their noses up at., so the argument that the mines closed etc is old & worn out. The mines & big old style employers are long gone & we need to move on. It is unfair that genuinely ill & disabled people have been affected unfairly by these benefit changes however, there will always be change throughout life & life is unfair. However a lot of people have have taken the mick out of the system in the past & still do. By that I mean the hardcore of people who just don't want to work, the alcholics & druggies & families who keep churning out kids without a care as to who pays because the stupid working man & woman will always pick up the bill. Just like our previous "disabled" neighbours, he couldn't work because his brain might explode & she had a bad heart, didn't stop them getting p/ssed up every Friday & Saturday night & going to Spain on baccy runs. I rest my case...[/p][/quote]Well said..the government needs to tackle those who are claiming benefits, while at the same time fiddling or bluffing the system or selling drugs for a living....Once they tackle them it may start to improve every ones lives..This so called bedroom tax would work, if there were any 1 or 2 bedroom properties for people to down size to...Councils around the country need to give all details of 1 and 2 bedroom properties they have to the government department who put this plan into action. Then they may see that they are punishing real benefit claimants instead of the bluffing , thieving, skiving layabout druggie p.i.s.s.h.e.a.d.s. who they should be targeting. Where i live there are families who drive around in mobility cars and have decent houses, that are bluffing and playing the system, while making a living selling drugs and dodgy fags....NEEDS SORTING!!!!! the-big-yin
  • Score: 9

5:32pm Tue 2 Apr 13

pedro55 says...

Well worth a watch - The amazing Sonia Poulton telling it how it is, succinctly and passionately.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=EtmEeunmJ
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Well worth a watch - The amazing Sonia Poulton telling it how it is, succinctly and passionately. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=EtmEeunmJ sI pedro55
  • Score: -1

6:33pm Tue 2 Apr 13

David Lacey says...

Utter and complete garbage.
Utter and complete garbage. David Lacey
  • Score: 1

7:16pm Tue 2 Apr 13

hippyjohn says...

No-one should be allowed into any political office unless they have worked for some-one other than family for at least 10 years. Maybe then they would have a grip on reality
No-one should be allowed into any political office unless they have worked for some-one other than family for at least 10 years. Maybe then they would have a grip on reality hippyjohn
  • Score: 1

7:33pm Tue 2 Apr 13

tomtopper says...

The thing is, in all reality IDS wouldn't need to survive on benefit longer than a couple of weeks because he would do what any other inherent 'grafter' (like the Polish) would do and find himself a job, any job, then work on educating/evolving himself into a better job, until a suitable long term position was found..
If you make someone's life comfortable on benefits, where's the incentive to ever work?? Isn't that the more damaging and cruel way of dealing with the issue...?
The thing is, in all reality IDS wouldn't need to survive on benefit longer than a couple of weeks because he would do what any other inherent 'grafter' (like the Polish) would do and find himself a job, any job, then work on educating/evolving himself into a better job, until a suitable long term position was found.. If you make someone's life comfortable on benefits, where's the incentive to ever work?? Isn't that the more damaging and cruel way of dealing with the issue...? tomtopper
  • Score: 5

7:41pm Tue 2 Apr 13

tomtopper says...

CTRILEY wrote:
st-george1 wrote:
What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time !
How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs?
Are you for real? Are you telling me that in the UK (especially with all this online access etc) that there are people who have been actively job hunting for 15 years without success?? Utter tosh..
[quote][p][bold]CTRILEY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st-george1[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with Left-wing people and why are they filled with abusive and sometimes violent hatred towards anyone who disagrees with them ! Reports say ONE MILLION people in Britain have been living off state handouts for more than 15 years … the hardcore army of unemployed people who have failed or did NOT want to find any sort of work SINCE 1997 when Labour came to power … hacked-off or not, surely its time for any benefit-chasing-clai mant-cheats of all classes to start taking responsibility for themselves first. For me, it’s a good job the Labour Party ain’t in Government, otherwise they may start raiding our bank accounts of the rest of us to pay for the mess they left behind last and the next time ![/p][/quote]How many of those living off benefits for more than 15 years do so because they live in areas dependant upon major employers, who when the mines closed (under Thatcher) or the factories relocated overseas under Blair were left with no replacement jobs?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Are you telling me that in the UK (especially with all this online access etc) that there are people who have been actively job hunting for 15 years without success?? Utter tosh.. tomtopper
  • Score: 5

7:50pm Tue 2 Apr 13

tomtopper says...

jewitt wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.
then you absolutely no nothing about the demands of setting up a small business Mr Lacey. You're a typical neo-conservative, head full of big business with a blinkered perspective. The one lesson of life I've always carried with me is that the Tories never ever practise what they preach. High moral statements but the first to put their noses in the trough. Shame they don't apply the same scrutiny to the tax affairs of the rich and the fat cat corporate bonuses.
Load of Cr*p.. The Conservatives bolstered in 'free enterprise' under Lady Thatcher and done more for Individual private enterprise than anyone.. How can a party what believes in small government, be as self serving as a party what believes in a bloated, ever expanding government..?? You need to look at the likes of 'shredder' Blair and his cronies when referring to noses being embedded in troughs...
[quote][p][bold]jewitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.[/p][/quote]then you absolutely no nothing about the demands of setting up a small business Mr Lacey. You're a typical neo-conservative, head full of big business with a blinkered perspective. The one lesson of life I've always carried with me is that the Tories never ever practise what they preach. High moral statements but the first to put their noses in the trough. Shame they don't apply the same scrutiny to the tax affairs of the rich and the fat cat corporate bonuses.[/p][/quote]Load of Cr*p.. The Conservatives bolstered in 'free enterprise' under Lady Thatcher and done more for Individual private enterprise than anyone.. How can a party what believes in small government, be as self serving as a party what believes in a bloated, ever expanding government..?? You need to look at the likes of 'shredder' Blair and his cronies when referring to noses being embedded in troughs... tomtopper
  • Score: 5

8:10pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Voice-of-reality says...

One wonders what Mr. Bennett's bank manager thinks of his business model.
One wonders what Mr. Bennett's bank manager thinks of his business model. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Tue 2 Apr 13

IanfromCrook says...

tomtopper wrote:
jewitt wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.
then you absolutely no nothing about the demands of setting up a small business Mr Lacey. You're a typical neo-conservative, head full of big business with a blinkered perspective. The one lesson of life I've always carried with me is that the Tories never ever practise what they preach. High moral statements but the first to put their noses in the trough. Shame they don't apply the same scrutiny to the tax affairs of the rich and the fat cat corporate bonuses.
Load of Cr*p.. The Conservatives bolstered in 'free enterprise' under Lady Thatcher and done more for Individual private enterprise than anyone.. How can a party what believes in small government, be as self serving as a party what believes in a bloated, ever expanding government..?? You need to look at the likes of 'shredder' Blair and his cronies when referring to noses being embedded in troughs...
They certainly know how to bolster their individual private enterprises, almost each and every one of them(Tory MPs). A man with his published history being called a hero and a grafter is really quite surreal. IDS sounds more like a gastric decease though to be honest does have the similarity of making (at least decent thinking) people sick to their stomachs with his 'sponging' hypocrisy.
[quote][p][bold]tomtopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jewitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.[/p][/quote]then you absolutely no nothing about the demands of setting up a small business Mr Lacey. You're a typical neo-conservative, head full of big business with a blinkered perspective. The one lesson of life I've always carried with me is that the Tories never ever practise what they preach. High moral statements but the first to put their noses in the trough. Shame they don't apply the same scrutiny to the tax affairs of the rich and the fat cat corporate bonuses.[/p][/quote]Load of Cr*p.. The Conservatives bolstered in 'free enterprise' under Lady Thatcher and done more for Individual private enterprise than anyone.. How can a party what believes in small government, be as self serving as a party what believes in a bloated, ever expanding government..?? You need to look at the likes of 'shredder' Blair and his cronies when referring to noses being embedded in troughs...[/p][/quote]They certainly know how to bolster their individual private enterprises, almost each and every one of them(Tory MPs). A man with his published history being called a hero and a grafter is really quite surreal. IDS sounds more like a gastric decease though to be honest does have the similarity of making (at least decent thinking) people sick to their stomachs with his 'sponging' hypocrisy. IanfromCrook
  • Score: -3

8:25pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Voice-of-reality says...

With regard to the bolstering of private enterprises - would you care to extend your vision - Miliband, Blair, and, of course that inspiring television advert by Prescott. As for the working hours of ministers - as with most professionals there is substantial work undertaken at home and at weekend. Finally, it is more than possible to survive on £53 per week. However, it does require an acceptance that not all 'must haves' are actually required and that some things in life have to be saved for and cannot just be demanded - the problem with the scourge of welfare dependency is that this simple budgeting truth has been increasingly marginalised over the last 15 or so years.
With regard to the bolstering of private enterprises - would you care to extend your vision - Miliband, Blair, and, of course that inspiring television advert by Prescott. As for the working hours of ministers - as with most professionals there is substantial work undertaken at home and at weekend. Finally, it is more than possible to survive on £53 per week. However, it does require an acceptance that not all 'must haves' are actually required and that some things in life have to be saved for and cannot just be demanded - the problem with the scourge of welfare dependency is that this simple budgeting truth has been increasingly marginalised over the last 15 or so years. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 8

8:43pm Tue 2 Apr 13

tomtopper says...

I can't remember him being involved in dodgy passport affairs, or dodgy mortgages, or offering peerages for cash, or 'accidently' shredding his expenses or bullying a man into committing suicide, or haviing freebie holidays each year or his wife swanning around the world making a killing off his name or getting dodgy mortgages through a conman, or buying 650k wallpaper etc etc all like those professed 'socialists' did..
I do know he served in Northern Ireland with the Guards at the height of the troubles, and that he was unemployed for a while and worked his way up various jobs etc...
By no means perfect, but a **** sight more of a gent than a lot of other hypocritical, spineless politicians, past and present, slithering around the corridors of westminister
I can't remember him being involved in dodgy passport affairs, or dodgy mortgages, or offering peerages for cash, or 'accidently' shredding his expenses or bullying a man into committing suicide, or haviing freebie holidays each year or his wife swanning around the world making a killing off his name or getting dodgy mortgages through a conman, or buying 650k wallpaper etc etc all like those professed 'socialists' did.. I do know he served in Northern Ireland with the Guards at the height of the troubles, and that he was unemployed for a while and worked his way up various jobs etc... By no means perfect, but a **** sight more of a gent than a lot of other hypocritical, spineless politicians, past and present, slithering around the corridors of westminister tomtopper
  • Score: 10

8:46pm Tue 2 Apr 13

IanfromCrook says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
With regard to the bolstering of private enterprises - would you care to extend your vision - Miliband, Blair, and, of course that inspiring television advert by Prescott. As for the working hours of ministers - as with most professionals there is substantial work undertaken at home and at weekend. Finally, it is more than possible to survive on £53 per week. However, it does require an acceptance that not all 'must haves' are actually required and that some things in life have to be saved for and cannot just be demanded - the problem with the scourge of welfare dependency is that this simple budgeting truth has been increasingly marginalised over the last 15 or so years.
Vision truly extended and accepted that some politicians have joined the Tory circus......though my irks with them are more extenuated by the fact that they began this routine using what was ours (companies that is. As for your marginalised budgeting truth their maybe something in what you say however this lesson includes the whole nation not just the poorest.....and where did that come from.....the credit now Thatcher years boosting the banking sector though people lending more and more......back to what started this chaos banking. What came first the Tory or the Banker.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: With regard to the bolstering of private enterprises - would you care to extend your vision - Miliband, Blair, and, of course that inspiring television advert by Prescott. As for the working hours of ministers - as with most professionals there is substantial work undertaken at home and at weekend. Finally, it is more than possible to survive on £53 per week. However, it does require an acceptance that not all 'must haves' are actually required and that some things in life have to be saved for and cannot just be demanded - the problem with the scourge of welfare dependency is that this simple budgeting truth has been increasingly marginalised over the last 15 or so years.[/p][/quote]Vision truly extended and accepted that some politicians have joined the Tory circus......though my irks with them are more extenuated by the fact that they began this routine using what was ours (companies that is. As for your marginalised budgeting truth their maybe something in what you say however this lesson includes the whole nation not just the poorest.....and where did that come from.....the credit now Thatcher years boosting the banking sector though people lending more and more......back to what started this chaos banking. What came first the Tory or the Banker. IanfromCrook
  • Score: -4

9:29pm Tue 2 Apr 13

simmo707 says...

Does Osborne live on another Planet where on earth does he get the figures £26000 and £18000 from – more Osborne Rhetoric .A single Unemployed Man in NE Lincolnshire over the age of 25 will receive Unemployment Benefit ,Housing Benefit and Council Tax .The maximum Unemployment Benefit is £71 per week .The maximum Housing Benefit is £75 per week .The average yearly Council Tax is approximately £1000 .The sum Total is £3692 + £3900 + £1000 =£8592 .Not taking into consideration the Bedroom Tax which is a minus figure and Council Tax introduced today .
www.brokenbritainund
ertorie.com
Does Osborne live on another Planet where on earth does he get the figures £26000 and £18000 from – more Osborne Rhetoric .A single Unemployed Man in NE Lincolnshire over the age of 25 will receive Unemployment Benefit ,Housing Benefit and Council Tax .The maximum Unemployment Benefit is £71 per week .The maximum Housing Benefit is £75 per week .The average yearly Council Tax is approximately £1000 .The sum Total is £3692 + £3900 + £1000 =£8592 .Not taking into consideration the Bedroom Tax which is a minus figure and Council Tax introduced today . www.brokenbritainund ertorie.com simmo707
  • Score: -3

12:49am Wed 3 Apr 13

Voice-of-reality says...

It now transpires that:
Bennett - receives £232 a month in housing benefit and £200 a month in working tax credit, triple the amount of money he quoted in the challenge to Mr Duncan Smith. His average weekly income, including market stall earnings, is in fact £156 a week.

Now, are we really to believe that the essentials of life (agreed not luxuries) cannot be bought for that - let alone any other 'additional benefits' that may be accrued from the market stall? I accept it is not a lot - but it is equivalent to c.20 hours minimum wage a week. Surely enough 'of a helping hand' for those in need of temporary (as it was envisaged) support from the benefit system - but (quite rightly) rather less than the figure that those (not Mr. Bennett) who seek to play the system and 'live on it permanently' might like.
It now transpires that: Bennett - receives £232 a month in housing benefit and £200 a month in working tax credit, triple the amount of money he quoted in the challenge to Mr Duncan Smith. His average weekly income, including market stall earnings, is in fact £156 a week. Now, are we really to believe that the essentials of life (agreed not luxuries) cannot be bought for that - let alone any other 'additional benefits' that may be accrued from the market stall? I accept it is not a lot - but it is equivalent to c.20 hours minimum wage a week. Surely enough 'of a helping hand' for those in need of temporary (as it was envisaged) support from the benefit system - but (quite rightly) rather less than the figure that those (not Mr. Bennett) who seek to play the system and 'live on it permanently' might like. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 8

6:54am Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics. Jonn
  • Score: -4

7:16am Wed 3 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there. Copley23
  • Score: 0

7:22am Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics. Jonn
  • Score: -3

7:25am Wed 3 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check. Copley23
  • Score: 1

8:21am Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible. Jonn
  • Score: -2

8:34am Wed 3 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating.
You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.[/p][/quote]The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating. You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door. Copley23
  • Score: 3

8:54am Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating.
You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.
The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.[/p][/quote]The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating. You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.[/p][/quote]The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories. Jonn
  • Score: -3

9:17am Wed 3 Apr 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Shall we return to the actual subject of debate?
Shall we return to the actual subject of debate? Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 6

9:31am Wed 3 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating.
You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.
The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.
Oh dear.......
you seem determined to go slightly off topic here John.

Can I suggest you drop a line to Mr Barron regarding your concerns over how stories are covered. I'm sure he'll be very interested.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.[/p][/quote]The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating. You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.[/p][/quote]The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.[/p][/quote]Oh dear....... you seem determined to go slightly off topic here John. Can I suggest you drop a line to Mr Barron regarding your concerns over how stories are covered. I'm sure he'll be very interested. Copley23
  • Score: 2

9:55am Wed 3 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

Having had a shower and a think......

I am becoming tired of these "political purists" who do nothing but sit in armchairs spouting their idealist clap trap, if they stopped listening to their own voice for long enough to think about what they are saying and doing, they would realise that their idealism is no different to the Tories, extremes of right and extremes of left are just as dangerous and damaging to ordinary people!

Extreme left wing ideologues sentenced Labour to 18 years in the political wilderness, and the damage to ordinary people in that time was irreparable. Repossessions, recessions, redundancies, bankruptcies and suicides. It's all happening again and still these people sit there preaching about how left they are.
I'm sure they have a board game somewhere called "Help the Tories beat yourself up"...oh wait, it's called monopoly.......but I do bet IDS won't play ball.
Having had a shower and a think...... I am becoming tired of these "political purists" who do nothing but sit in armchairs spouting their idealist clap trap, if they stopped listening to their own voice for long enough to think about what they are saying and doing, they would realise that their idealism is no different to the Tories, extremes of right and extremes of left are just as dangerous and damaging to ordinary people! Extreme left wing ideologues sentenced Labour to 18 years in the political wilderness, and the damage to ordinary people in that time was irreparable. Repossessions, recessions, redundancies, bankruptcies and suicides. It's all happening again and still these people sit there preaching about how left they are. I'm sure they have a board game somewhere called "Help the Tories beat yourself up"...oh wait, it's called monopoly.......but I do bet IDS won't play ball. Copley23
  • Score: 3

10:16am Wed 3 Apr 13

Oh Well, Whatever, Nevermind says...

David Lacey wrote:
IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.
Mr Lacey. Your post is lifted straight out of yesterday's Daily Mail. Can't you ever think for yourself? It's your acceptance that everything printed in the "Maily Torygraph" must be true that would be laughable were it not so pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: IDS is an absolute hero. He has spent 10 years working on the problem of benefits culture and how to move people off benefits into work. Something that Labour admitted needed to be done but didn't dare tackle. This man admits to being a "gambler and self-confessed ‘ducker and diver’" . The idea that he has been working 60 hours a week to set up a business is laughable. I don't believe a word he says about his lifestyle or income.[/p][/quote]Mr Lacey. Your post is lifted straight out of yesterday's Daily Mail. Can't you ever think for yourself? It's your acceptance that everything printed in the "Maily Torygraph" must be true that would be laughable were it not so pathetic. Oh Well, Whatever, Nevermind
  • Score: -3

11:26am Wed 3 Apr 13

Snilly says...

Can someone tell me where I can sign this petition please?
Can someone tell me where I can sign this petition please? Snilly
  • Score: -2

12:25pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Snilly wrote:
Can someone tell me where I can sign this petition please?
Here:

https://www.change.o
rg/en-GB/petitions/i
ain-duncan-smith-iai
n-duncan-smith-to-li
ve-on-53-a-week

370,000 people now.
[quote][p][bold]Snilly[/bold] wrote: Can someone tell me where I can sign this petition please?[/p][/quote]Here: https://www.change.o rg/en-GB/petitions/i ain-duncan-smith-iai n-duncan-smith-to-li ve-on-53-a-week 370,000 people now. Jonn
  • Score: -3

12:43pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating.
You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.
The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.
Oh dear.......
you seem determined to go slightly off topic here John.

Can I suggest you drop a line to Mr Barron regarding your concerns over how stories are covered. I'm sure he'll be very interested.
I couldn't care less if you think I've gone off topic, many other comments here have too.
I don't see the Northern Echo using a photo of 6 dead children under 'vile product of UK welfare' headlines to further Iain Duncan Smiths propaganda campaign. If they did, I would be equally disgusted.
The right wing press have gone way too far this time. Sick, nasty people.
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.[/p][/quote]The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating. You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.[/p][/quote]The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.[/p][/quote]Oh dear....... you seem determined to go slightly off topic here John. Can I suggest you drop a line to Mr Barron regarding your concerns over how stories are covered. I'm sure he'll be very interested.[/p][/quote]I couldn't care less if you think I've gone off topic, many other comments here have too. I don't see the Northern Echo using a photo of 6 dead children under 'vile product of UK welfare' headlines to further Iain Duncan Smiths propaganda campaign. If they did, I would be equally disgusted. The right wing press have gone way too far this time. Sick, nasty people. Jonn
  • Score: -4

12:52pm Wed 3 Apr 13

David Lacey says...

You with the ridiculous name. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinion without the help of a newspaper. I've never voted Tory and never will.
You with the ridiculous name. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinion without the help of a newspaper. I've never voted Tory and never will. David Lacey
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Wed 3 Apr 13

oneman1 says...

Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating.
You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.
The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.
'The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.'

Are we talking about IDS ?
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.[/p][/quote]The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating. You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.[/p][/quote]The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.[/p][/quote]'The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.' Are we talking about IDS ? oneman1
  • Score: -1

1:09pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Oh Well, Whatever, Nevermind says...

David Lacey wrote:
You with the ridiculous name. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinion without the help of a newspaper. I've never voted Tory and never will.
Mr Lacey, I wouldn't expect a sad old reactionary like yourself to understand my handle, David Lacey..now that's a ridiculous name if ever I heard one.
You have have my pity you sad strange little man
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: You with the ridiculous name. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinion without the help of a newspaper. I've never voted Tory and never will.[/p][/quote]Mr Lacey, I wouldn't expect a sad old reactionary like yourself to understand my handle, David Lacey..now that's a ridiculous name if ever I heard one. You have have my pity you sad strange little man Oh Well, Whatever, Nevermind
  • Score: -1

1:22pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

oneman1 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating.
You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.
The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.
'The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.'

Are we talking about IDS ?
Jonn isn't sure Oneman1....I think he's got his pages a little tangled here....especially since our Mr Bennett seems to have been 'outed' somewhat with regard to his income.
If he's looking for the Daily Shame article, it's on another link.
I think he just might be a little bit cross today :-)
[quote][p][bold]oneman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.[/p][/quote]The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating. You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.[/p][/quote]The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.[/p][/quote]'The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.' Are we talking about IDS ?[/p][/quote]Jonn isn't sure Oneman1....I think he's got his pages a little tangled here....especially since our Mr Bennett seems to have been 'outed' somewhat with regard to his income. If he's looking for the Daily Shame article, it's on another link. I think he just might be a little bit cross today :-) Copley23
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Wed 3 Apr 13

David Lacey says...

No doubt the DWP will be on his case now his shady dealings have been exposed. Meanwhile the admirable IDS sticks to hid guns on behalf of the decent people in the UK. Well done Sir!!
No doubt the DWP will be on his case now his shady dealings have been exposed. Meanwhile the admirable IDS sticks to hid guns on behalf of the decent people in the UK. Well done Sir!! David Lacey
  • Score: 1

5:34pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

Copley23 wrote:
oneman1 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Jonn wrote:
350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man.
Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.
The death of 6 children is very very emotive.
Don't even go there.
The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.
All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.
Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.
The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating.
You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.
The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.
'The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.'

Are we talking about IDS ?
Jonn isn't sure Oneman1....I think he's got his pages a little tangled here....especially since our Mr Bennett seems to have been 'outed' somewhat with regard to his income.
If he's looking for the Daily Shame article, it's on another link.
I think he just might be a little bit cross today :-)
Both psychopaths, (for the record).
IDS has been outed many times over, he now claims to have 'lived on the breadline', while married to a millionaire aristocrat.
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneman1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: 350,000 signatures now and IDS calls it a stunt! What a desperate man. Daily Mail and other right wing press using the death of 6 children as propaganda against benefit claimants. Dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]The death of 6 children is very very emotive. Don't even go there.[/p][/quote]The right wing press have gone there, big time. Again, dirty, disgusting tactics.[/p][/quote]All the press have gone there or hadn't you bothered to check.[/p][/quote]Only the right wing press have managed to slip in the words 'welfare state', 'benefits', '50" tv's', 'xbox's' etc into the headlines about the death of 6 children. Despicable and indefensible.[/p][/quote]The man was a leech, a nasty one, not unlike the chap you are berating. You'll find notes on the back of the Student Union canteen door.[/p][/quote]The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.[/p][/quote]'The man was a psychopath. We all know what the right wing press are trying to do here, discredit all benefit claimants using an extreme nutcase. Filthy, dirty Tories.' Are we talking about IDS ?[/p][/quote]Jonn isn't sure Oneman1....I think he's got his pages a little tangled here....especially since our Mr Bennett seems to have been 'outed' somewhat with regard to his income. If he's looking for the Daily Shame article, it's on another link. I think he just might be a little bit cross today :-)[/p][/quote]Both psychopaths, (for the record). IDS has been outed many times over, he now claims to have 'lived on the breadline', while married to a millionaire aristocrat. Jonn
  • Score: 2

8:45pm Wed 3 Apr 13

sineater says...

I think this man was speaking up for his friends and neighbours,what he earns has nothing to do with his challenge to i.d.s.
I think this man was speaking up for his friends and neighbours,what he earns has nothing to do with his challenge to i.d.s. sineater
  • Score: 2

9:03pm Wed 3 Apr 13

IanfromCrook says...

Do not waste your time on Social Questions. What is the matter with the poor is Poverty; what is the matter with the rich is Uselessness.
George Bernard Shaw (apparently a very distant relation of IDS.
Do not waste your time on Social Questions. What is the matter with the poor is Poverty; what is the matter with the rich is Uselessness. George Bernard Shaw (apparently a very distant relation of IDS. IanfromCrook
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Wed 3 Apr 13

theWorkerScum says...

Most comments on here aren't related to the story. Also the whole thing is nonsense. If he was unemployed he could live on less than £53 per week, so why all the attitude. I have lived on less than that as i have never received anything from this government. The problem is, the government(s) in the UK has given far too much to people and now things can only get worse, its called a recession. Prices go up, wages freeze, benefits go down. If i was unemployed i wouldn't expect the lifestyle of a lot of people i know who are on the dole, but this is not the case in this country at all...Just keep blaming the government....it easy.
Most comments on here aren't related to the story. Also the whole thing is nonsense. If he was unemployed he could live on less than £53 per week, so why all the attitude. I have lived on less than that as i have never received anything from this government. The problem is, the government(s) in the UK has given far too much to people and now things can only get worse, its called a recession. Prices go up, wages freeze, benefits go down. If i was unemployed i wouldn't expect the lifestyle of a lot of people i know who are on the dole, but this is not the case in this country at all...Just keep blaming the government....it easy. theWorkerScum
  • Score: 3

10:06pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Jonn says...

theWorkerScum wrote:
Most comments on here aren't related to the story. Also the whole thing is nonsense. If he was unemployed he could live on less than £53 per week, so why all the attitude. I have lived on less than that as i have never received anything from this government. The problem is, the government(s) in the UK has given far too much to people and now things can only get worse, its called a recession. Prices go up, wages freeze, benefits go down. If i was unemployed i wouldn't expect the lifestyle of a lot of people i know who are on the dole, but this is not the case in this country at all...Just keep blaming the government....it easy.
It's not a recession, it's a depression. Not caused by benefit scroungers but by Banks and Tax avoiders abetted by a succession of incompetent Governments.
[quote][p][bold]theWorkerScum[/bold] wrote: Most comments on here aren't related to the story. Also the whole thing is nonsense. If he was unemployed he could live on less than £53 per week, so why all the attitude. I have lived on less than that as i have never received anything from this government. The problem is, the government(s) in the UK has given far too much to people and now things can only get worse, its called a recession. Prices go up, wages freeze, benefits go down. If i was unemployed i wouldn't expect the lifestyle of a lot of people i know who are on the dole, but this is not the case in this country at all...Just keep blaming the government....it easy.[/p][/quote]It's not a recession, it's a depression. Not caused by benefit scroungers but by Banks and Tax avoiders abetted by a succession of incompetent Governments. Jonn
  • Score: 2

10:13pm Wed 3 Apr 13

theWorkerScum says...

I agree john, however it is semantics. The fact is the powers that be have blown the money and we now have to work hard for a decent lifestyle and forget about handouts.
I agree john, however it is semantics. The fact is the powers that be have blown the money and we now have to work hard for a decent lifestyle and forget about handouts. theWorkerScum
  • Score: 1

10:41pm Wed 3 Apr 13

nigel d says...

The last time a political party demonized groups of people , ie disabled sick and unemployed through the press like this lot are doing was back in the thirties and we all know what happened then.divide and conquer seems to be thier plan.
The last time a political party demonized groups of people , ie disabled sick and unemployed through the press like this lot are doing was back in the thirties and we all know what happened then.divide and conquer seems to be thier plan. nigel d
  • Score: 0

10:23am Thu 4 Apr 13

darlo oily says...

Certain things about welfare need straightening out:-

1. the welfare state was only ever meant to be a safety net not a lifestyle choice.

2.on benefit there will be 3 types of claimant :-
a) the person who tries their hardest but just can't get work

b) the person who goes with the benefit flow but would work if it was wort their while

c)the professional claimant

I leave it up to other people to comment who deseves funds.

Banks

who deregulated supervision???

Personally I was extremely disappointed with the solution.

Banks failed due to the free market so why not a free market solution rather than a socialist (nationalisation solution)

Even at the very last Labour could have saved the system by underwriting Barclays purchasse of non toxic part of Lehman brothers.

At the end of the day it boils down to the weakness of the parties (Labour weak with money,Tory vulnerable to sex) and professional politicians who have wrecked our country.

I used to be Labour but I feel better now!
Certain things about welfare need straightening out:- 1. the welfare state was only ever meant to be a safety net not a lifestyle choice. 2.on benefit there will be 3 types of claimant :- a) the person who tries their hardest but just can't get work b) the person who goes with the benefit flow but would work if it was wort their while c)the professional claimant I leave it up to other people to comment who deseves funds. Banks who deregulated supervision??? Personally I was extremely disappointed with the solution. Banks failed due to the free market so why not a free market solution rather than a socialist (nationalisation solution) Even at the very last Labour could have saved the system by underwriting Barclays purchasse of non toxic part of Lehman brothers. At the end of the day it boils down to the weakness of the parties (Labour weak with money,Tory vulnerable to sex) and professional politicians who have wrecked our country. I used to be Labour but I feel better now! darlo oily
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Jonn says...

darlo oily wrote:
Certain things about welfare need straightening out:-

1. the welfare state was only ever meant to be a safety net not a lifestyle choice.

2.on benefit there will be 3 types of claimant :-
a) the person who tries their hardest but just can't get work

b) the person who goes with the benefit flow but would work if it was wort their while

c)the professional claimant

I leave it up to other people to comment who deseves funds.

Banks

who deregulated supervision???

Personally I was extremely disappointed with the solution.

Banks failed due to the free market so why not a free market solution rather than a socialist (nationalisation solution)

Even at the very last Labour could have saved the system by underwriting Barclays purchasse of non toxic part of Lehman brothers.

At the end of the day it boils down to the weakness of the parties (Labour weak with money,Tory vulnerable to sex) and professional politicians who have wrecked our country.

I used to be Labour but I feel better now!
Who deregulated supervision of the banks? Try The Big Bang, 1986. A Conservative government I believe.
[quote][p][bold]darlo oily[/bold] wrote: Certain things about welfare need straightening out:- 1. the welfare state was only ever meant to be a safety net not a lifestyle choice. 2.on benefit there will be 3 types of claimant :- a) the person who tries their hardest but just can't get work b) the person who goes with the benefit flow but would work if it was wort their while c)the professional claimant I leave it up to other people to comment who deseves funds. Banks who deregulated supervision??? Personally I was extremely disappointed with the solution. Banks failed due to the free market so why not a free market solution rather than a socialist (nationalisation solution) Even at the very last Labour could have saved the system by underwriting Barclays purchasse of non toxic part of Lehman brothers. At the end of the day it boils down to the weakness of the parties (Labour weak with money,Tory vulnerable to sex) and professional politicians who have wrecked our country. I used to be Labour but I feel better now![/p][/quote]Who deregulated supervision of the banks? Try The Big Bang, 1986. A Conservative government I believe. Jonn
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1:45pm Thu 4 Apr 13

darlo oily says...

Was it me or did Gordon Brown favour ligjht touch regulation?
Was it me or did Gordon Brown favour ligjht touch regulation? darlo oily
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5:12pm Thu 4 Apr 13

sineater says...

Welfare was only meant to be a safety net,that is ok until there is a shortage of vacancies. When no jobs are in sight ,what do you do then keep your dignity and commit hari kiri for the good of the economy,or choose to "survive" on benefits.
Welfare was only meant to be a safety net,that is ok until there is a shortage of vacancies. When no jobs are in sight ,what do you do then keep your dignity and commit hari kiri for the good of the economy,or choose to "survive" on benefits. sineater
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5:36pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Jonn says...

darlo oily wrote:
Was it me or did Gordon Brown favour ligjht touch regulation?
I'm not defending Gordon Brown but by the time he became chancellor, the city were already way out of control. Remember, the banks run this country, not the Government.
[quote][p][bold]darlo oily[/bold] wrote: Was it me or did Gordon Brown favour ligjht touch regulation?[/p][/quote]I'm not defending Gordon Brown but by the time he became chancellor, the city were already way out of control. Remember, the banks run this country, not the Government. Jonn
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6:26pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Mod says...

"I've abolished boom and bust" --- G Brown Esq.

As Peter Mandelson said in a speech the other week ---- " well we certainly abolished boom"
"I've abolished boom and bust" --- G Brown Esq. As Peter Mandelson said in a speech the other week ---- " well we certainly abolished boom" Mod
  • Score: 2

7:03pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Loopy74 says...

Totally agree with the welfare system being a safety net there for those who have paid in and who usually through no fault of their own need help. It'll never happen but maybe it's about time those who have never worked a day in their lives or contributed anything to the country, yet seem to have child after child who then go on to do exactly the same thing, were sorted out. If you pay into the system you get back out, if you don't you get nothing!! No free house, or council tax paid, etc etc.

IDS would get my respect if he could do something about this, but at the minute it doesn't seem to be the case.
Totally agree with the welfare system being a safety net there for those who have paid in and who usually through no fault of their own need help. It'll never happen but maybe it's about time those who have never worked a day in their lives or contributed anything to the country, yet seem to have child after child who then go on to do exactly the same thing, were sorted out. If you pay into the system you get back out, if you don't you get nothing!! No free house, or council tax paid, etc etc. IDS would get my respect if he could do something about this, but at the minute it doesn't seem to be the case. Loopy74
  • Score: 0

8:52am Fri 5 Apr 13

ian16527 says...

theWorkerScum wrote:
Most comments on here aren't related to the story. Also the whole thing is nonsense. If he was unemployed he could live on less than £53 per week, so why all the attitude. I have lived on less than that as i have never received anything from this government. The problem is, the government(s) in the UK has given far too much to people and now things can only get worse, its called a recession. Prices go up, wages freeze, benefits go down. If i was unemployed i wouldn't expect the lifestyle of a lot of people i know who are on the dole, but this is not the case in this country at all...Just keep blaming the government....it easy.
This is an apolitical post - I favor no party.

Can you live on £53 a week or survive?

Remember, Gas and electric cost about £20 a week now for a 2 bed house, water rates £6 minimum, and if you can afford the luxury of a TV, £4 a week license fee, so there's £30 out of your £53.

So, you have £23 left for food. I hope you don't need any clothes or shoes or washing powder and cleaning products.

I know someone who lives in a 1 bed flat, has stroage heating, and its costing £4 a day now for electric over the winter. It used to be £2 a couple of years ago.
[quote][p][bold]theWorkerScum[/bold] wrote: Most comments on here aren't related to the story. Also the whole thing is nonsense. If he was unemployed he could live on less than £53 per week, so why all the attitude. I have lived on less than that as i have never received anything from this government. The problem is, the government(s) in the UK has given far too much to people and now things can only get worse, its called a recession. Prices go up, wages freeze, benefits go down. If i was unemployed i wouldn't expect the lifestyle of a lot of people i know who are on the dole, but this is not the case in this country at all...Just keep blaming the government....it easy.[/p][/quote]This is an apolitical post - I favor no party. Can you live on £53 a week or survive? Remember, Gas and electric cost about £20 a week now for a 2 bed house, water rates £6 minimum, and if you can afford the luxury of a TV, £4 a week license fee, so there's £30 out of your £53. So, you have £23 left for food. I hope you don't need any clothes or shoes or washing powder and cleaning products. I know someone who lives in a 1 bed flat, has stroage heating, and its costing £4 a day now for electric over the winter. It used to be £2 a couple of years ago. ian16527
  • Score: 1

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