Three councillors defect to UKIP

The Northern Echo: JOINING UKIP: Richmondshire councillor Stephanie Todd JOINING UKIP: Richmondshire councillor Stephanie Todd

THREE sitting councillors have defected to UKIP, it was announced today.

The trio - former Conservative Stephanie Todd, and independents Sam Cross and Mick Jay-Hanmer – will stand in May’s county council elections in North Yorkshire.

Councillor Todd, a 52-year-old single mum and self-employed florist, who has represented Hipswell on Richmondshire District Council since 2009, broke her defection news today at a press conference in Scarborough - before telling her former Tory colleagues.

She said: “I want to be part of a party which is supporting this country and its people. And a Party which actually listens to the people and takes notice of their concerns.”

Coun Sam Cross, a 53-year-old father-of-four, has represented Filey on Scarborough Borough Council for eight years, while Coun Jay-Hanmer, 65, married with two children, has represented Derwent ward on Scarborough Council for six years and lives in the pub he runs in West Ayton.

UKIP has never had candidates standing in the North Yorkshire County Council elections.

The party said it had already got candidates for most of the 72 seats, including acclaimed horror author GP Taylor.

Mr Taylor, who lives in Scarborough, said: “I am sick to the back teeth of what is happening to my fantastic country, seeing it being ground down.

“I was a Conservative supporter and have donated money to them but I now believe they are out of touch with people.”

“This is fantastic news and shows what I have always known - that we are the way forward for our country,” said Godfrey Bloom, MEP for Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire.

“We are writing ourselves into the history books and being assisted by three successful authors will also help ensure the writing is on the wall for the other parties.”

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3:39pm Wed 27 Mar 13

David Lacey says...

Shame that the Independents have joined UKIP.
Shame that the Independents have joined UKIP. David Lacey
  • Score: -23

4:13pm Wed 27 Mar 13

blackeven says...

All I can say to these 3 Councillors is WELL DONE!

UKIP actually make me look forward to voting day, it's about time we had a decent Party to vote for. I used to vote Labour but NEVER again, from now on it's UKIP for me.
All I can say to these 3 Councillors is WELL DONE! UKIP actually make me look forward to voting day, it's about time we had a decent Party to vote for. I used to vote Labour but NEVER again, from now on it's UKIP for me. blackeven
  • Score: 76

4:22pm Wed 27 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

good news for labour in east yorkshire,well done ukip keep weakening the tories.
good news for labour in east yorkshire,well done ukip keep weakening the tories. argo2013
  • Score: -31

4:24pm Wed 27 Mar 13

NO EINSTEIN says...

Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet..
Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet.. NO EINSTEIN
  • Score: -51

6:32pm Wed 27 Mar 13

dave3000 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.
If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one.
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.[/p][/quote]If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one. dave3000
  • Score: 48

6:55pm Wed 27 Mar 13

The Grim North says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.
If you think UKIP are facist I dread to think what you make of the current Australian, Norweigan Canadian and US governments.
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.[/p][/quote]If you think UKIP are facist I dread to think what you make of the current Australian, Norweigan Canadian and US governments. The Grim North
  • Score: 24

6:59pm Wed 27 Mar 13

Paul of North Yorks says...

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I believe UKIP gives many ordinary Britons like me the opportunity to vote for a party which is different to the others. The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties are essentially all the same, whereas UKIP is prepared to 'say it as it is'. It’s great to know that I’m likely to have the opportunity to be able to vote for UKIP in the forthcoming elections!
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I believe UKIP gives many ordinary Britons like me the opportunity to vote for a party which is different to the others. The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties are essentially all the same, whereas UKIP is prepared to 'say it as it is'. It’s great to know that I’m likely to have the opportunity to be able to vote for UKIP in the forthcoming elections! Paul of North Yorks
  • Score: 44

7:01pm Wed 27 Mar 13

Iain W says...

argo2013 wrote:
good news for labour in east yorkshire,well done ukip keep weakening the tories.
you just get it do you ? UKIP has members from ALL the mainstream parties ... but WE realise that the time for party politics needs to be put to one side while we fight for OUR country's future
[quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: good news for labour in east yorkshire,well done ukip keep weakening the tories.[/p][/quote]you just get it do you ? UKIP has members from ALL the mainstream parties ... but WE realise that the time for party politics needs to be put to one side while we fight for OUR country's future Iain W
  • Score: 36

7:05pm Wed 27 Mar 13

Iain W says...

NO EINSTEIN wrote:
Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet..
thankfully you are obviously not old enough or sufficiently mature to have the right to vote yet ?
[quote][p][bold]NO EINSTEIN[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet..[/p][/quote]thankfully you are obviously not old enough or sufficiently mature to have the right to vote yet ? Iain W
  • Score: 28

7:21pm Wed 27 Mar 13

scotspeter1 says...

just back from our ukip exter spring conferendence ? it was our mother of all conferences ? standing room only many people just to hear nigel farage SPEAK? there was fear in there eyes after he finished , knowing our nation is looking into hell through the the nutters in brussels about to make our uk banks go into meltdown , as david milliband stutters his leaving , he knows what is going to happen ? and is getting out fast , cyprus is the smoking GUN? I ADVISE THAT ALL UK BANKS WILL GO THE SAME WAY VERY SOON? VOTE UKIP AND SAVE YOUR NATION ....WWW.PETERCAMPBEL
L.FAITHWEB.COM UKIP SCOTLAND
just back from our ukip exter spring conferendence ? it was our mother of all conferences ? standing room only many people just to hear nigel farage SPEAK? there was fear in there eyes after he finished , knowing our nation is looking into hell through the the nutters in brussels about to make our uk banks go into meltdown , as david milliband stutters his leaving , he knows what is going to happen ? and is getting out fast , cyprus is the smoking GUN? I ADVISE THAT ALL UK BANKS WILL GO THE SAME WAY VERY SOON? VOTE UKIP AND SAVE YOUR NATION ....WWW.PETERCAMPBEL L.FAITHWEB.COM UKIP SCOTLAND scotspeter1
  • Score: 29

7:58pm Wed 27 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

scotspeter 1, The labour party saved the banks ,we don't need the fascist ukip to save us.
scotspeter 1, The labour party saved the banks ,we don't need the fascist ukip to save us. argo2013
  • Score: -45

8:01pm Wed 27 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.
grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country. argo2013
  • Score: -32

8:07pm Wed 27 Mar 13

NO EINSTEIN says...

Iain W wrote:
NO EINSTEIN wrote:
Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet..
thankfully you are obviously not old enough or sufficiently mature to have the right to vote yet ?
Oh yes i am, but don't feel the need to dye my hair, or have love hate on his knuckles.
MP''S should be normal people with tidy hair and tidy appearance, not look like side show bob.
[quote][p][bold]Iain W[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NO EINSTEIN[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet..[/p][/quote]thankfully you are obviously not old enough or sufficiently mature to have the right to vote yet ?[/p][/quote]Oh yes i am, but don't feel the need to dye my hair, or have love hate on his knuckles. MP''S should be normal people with tidy hair and tidy appearance, not look like side show bob. NO EINSTEIN
  • Score: -28

8:21pm Wed 27 Mar 13

Iain W says...

NO EINSTEIN wrote:
Iain W wrote:
NO EINSTEIN wrote:
Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet..
thankfully you are obviously not old enough or sufficiently mature to have the right to vote yet ?
Oh yes i am, but don't feel the need to dye my hair, or have love hate on his knuckles.
MP''S should be normal people with tidy hair and tidy appearance, not look like side show bob.
roflmao @ MPs should be normal people ! !
[quote][p][bold]NO EINSTEIN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iain W[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NO EINSTEIN[/bold] wrote: Stephanie Todd i assume left after being told dying your hair like a clown loses votes, is it a midlife crisis or a bet..[/p][/quote]thankfully you are obviously not old enough or sufficiently mature to have the right to vote yet ?[/p][/quote]Oh yes i am, but don't feel the need to dye my hair, or have love hate on his knuckles. MP''S should be normal people with tidy hair and tidy appearance, not look like side show bob.[/p][/quote]roflmao @ MPs should be normal people ! ! Iain W
  • Score: 12

8:52pm Wed 27 Mar 13

elliestruth says...

I am proud in being a UKIP supporter, I am not a racist I just love my country and want it returned . I am ex Tory voter who has been lied to, and has rebelled. I am not against immigration but large number of people coming into a country as small as ours, with out checks, is ridicules, we can not deport undesirables, we have no control of our border, most of the laws are made abroad, well what do we need a Parliament for, our Judges are governed by Europe, so we might as well let them make all the decisions, and get rid of all our Judges. Is that what we want? well I do not VOTE UKIP
I am proud in being a UKIP supporter, I am not a racist I just love my country and want it returned . I am ex Tory voter who has been lied to, and has rebelled. I am not against immigration but large number of people coming into a country as small as ours, with out checks, is ridicules, we can not deport undesirables, we have no control of our border, most of the laws are made abroad, well what do we need a Parliament for, our Judges are governed by Europe, so we might as well let them make all the decisions, and get rid of all our Judges. Is that what we want? well I do not VOTE UKIP elliestruth
  • Score: 24

9:03pm Wed 27 Mar 13

house fly says...

Don't be hoodwinked these three are probably career councillors who are switching parties to retain their seats and the allowances that go with it. It happens all over even in Spennymoor.
Don't be hoodwinked these three are probably career councillors who are switching parties to retain their seats and the allowances that go with it. It happens all over even in Spennymoor. house fly
  • Score: -21

9:12pm Wed 27 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

elliestruth, You sound just like someone in Germany in the thirties.
elliestruth, You sound just like someone in Germany in the thirties. argo2013
  • Score: -19

9:25pm Wed 27 Mar 13

house fly says...

Nevertheless I hope these defectors are scrutinised as to where their true loyalties are and they are not encroaching untill after the election and switch over again.

Regards.
Nevertheless I hope these defectors are scrutinised as to where their true loyalties are and they are not encroaching untill after the election and switch over again. Regards. house fly
  • Score: -12

9:29pm Wed 27 Mar 13

MSG says...

Good news for UKIP, keep the discredited Labour & Tory parties worried out of their minds. I look forward to the good hiding the cowardly Lib Dems will take from UKIP in next years Euro elections!
Good news for UKIP, keep the discredited Labour & Tory parties worried out of their minds. I look forward to the good hiding the cowardly Lib Dems will take from UKIP in next years Euro elections! MSG
  • Score: 21

9:53pm Wed 27 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

but not by the ukip members convicted of fraud!!
but not by the ukip members convicted of fraud!! argo2013
  • Score: -18

10:14pm Wed 27 Mar 13

tomtopper says...

argo2013 wrote:
grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.
Ukip aren't socialists like Hitler was... Socialists and socialism are the real evil
[quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.[/p][/quote]Ukip aren't socialists like Hitler was... Socialists and socialism are the real evil tomtopper
  • Score: 14

10:25pm Wed 27 Mar 13

Stocko says...

dave3000 wrote:
Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.
If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one.
It seems most pro-UKIP supporters on here want to back a party who wish to get out of EU and halt immigration.

Not sure being elected to N Yorks CC will achieve that - do they have any views on local issues I wonder?

Or is it the same as their MEPs - won't turn up for votes, no interest in representing the people who elected them (or anyone else in their constituencies because don't forget that's part of the deal for an elected representative).

There is something appealing to the public to look for alternatives - protest votes you may say - but in reality this lot are a bunch of amateurs with one policy and very few ideas how to help the majority in this country.

At present Farage can repeat his lies about the EU and immigration with impunity but god help us if they ever get into power - anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]dave3000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.[/p][/quote]If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one.[/p][/quote]It seems most pro-UKIP supporters on here want to back a party who wish to get out of EU and halt immigration. Not sure being elected to N Yorks CC will achieve that - do they have any views on local issues I wonder? Or is it the same as their MEPs - won't turn up for votes, no interest in representing the people who elected them (or anyone else in their constituencies because don't forget that's part of the deal for an elected representative). There is something appealing to the public to look for alternatives - protest votes you may say - but in reality this lot are a bunch of amateurs with one policy and very few ideas how to help the majority in this country. At present Farage can repeat his lies about the EU and immigration with impunity but god help us if they ever get into power - anywhere. Stocko
  • Score: -19

11:29pm Wed 27 Mar 13

TrevorEnglish says...

argo2013 wrote:
grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.
You're thinking of charismatic leaders like Mr. Tony Bliar who found work for thousands of public sector managers on huge salaries and pensions doing little of use, and forced britain into three foreign wars of little use, showed no leadership as personal debt increased and left banks unregulated and allowed mass immigration leading to our current bankruptcy. And closes down 10% of our power provision because the EU tells us to while other countries build the same type of generator making no difference to CO2.
Yes we must watch out for those types who fool us.
We've seen it and been fooled and now we want a new party to represent us, the real ordinary people who want to get on with our lives and work.
It's a party of normal ordinary people for normal ordinary people.
[quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.[/p][/quote]You're thinking of charismatic leaders like Mr. Tony Bliar who found work for thousands of public sector managers on huge salaries and pensions doing little of use, and forced britain into three foreign wars of little use, showed no leadership as personal debt increased and left banks unregulated and allowed mass immigration leading to our current bankruptcy. And closes down 10% of our power provision because the EU tells us to while other countries build the same type of generator making no difference to CO2. Yes we must watch out for those types who fool us. We've seen it and been fooled and now we want a new party to represent us, the real ordinary people who want to get on with our lives and work. It's a party of normal ordinary people for normal ordinary people. TrevorEnglish
  • Score: 19

11:56pm Wed 27 Mar 13

TrevorEnglish says...

Stocko wrote:
dave3000 wrote:
Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.
If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one.
It seems most pro-UKIP supporters on here want to back a party who wish to get out of EU and halt immigration.

Not sure being elected to N Yorks CC will achieve that - do they have any views on local issues I wonder?

Or is it the same as their MEPs - won't turn up for votes, no interest in representing the people who elected them (or anyone else in their constituencies because don't forget that's part of the deal for an elected representative).

There is something appealing to the public to look for alternatives - protest votes you may say - but in reality this lot are a bunch of amateurs with one policy and very few ideas how to help the majority in this country.

At present Farage can repeat his lies about the EU and immigration with impunity but god help us if they ever get into power - anywhere.
People freely elect UKIP MEPs so they have no moral duty to engage in the EU beyond what furthers the aims of UKIP on behalf of the people who elected them as such. A UKIP MEP has a democratic mandate to pursue the aims of UKIP and the wishes of those who elected them.
How else should people's UKIP representatives receive a living salary? Donations? The British taxpayer already pays huge amounts to the EU for little return and the British taxpayer votes UKIP in EU elections so it's right some of that money goes to UKIP MEPs.
Your other point: Can you provide an example of a lie told by Farage?
[quote][p][bold]Stocko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave3000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.[/p][/quote]If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one.[/p][/quote]It seems most pro-UKIP supporters on here want to back a party who wish to get out of EU and halt immigration. Not sure being elected to N Yorks CC will achieve that - do they have any views on local issues I wonder? Or is it the same as their MEPs - won't turn up for votes, no interest in representing the people who elected them (or anyone else in their constituencies because don't forget that's part of the deal for an elected representative). There is something appealing to the public to look for alternatives - protest votes you may say - but in reality this lot are a bunch of amateurs with one policy and very few ideas how to help the majority in this country. At present Farage can repeat his lies about the EU and immigration with impunity but god help us if they ever get into power - anywhere.[/p][/quote]People freely elect UKIP MEPs so they have no moral duty to engage in the EU beyond what furthers the aims of UKIP on behalf of the people who elected them as such. A UKIP MEP has a democratic mandate to pursue the aims of UKIP and the wishes of those who elected them. How else should people's UKIP representatives receive a living salary? Donations? The British taxpayer already pays huge amounts to the EU for little return and the British taxpayer votes UKIP in EU elections so it's right some of that money goes to UKIP MEPs. Your other point: Can you provide an example of a lie told by Farage? TrevorEnglish
  • Score: 17

11:20am Thu 28 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

TOM TOPPER, WHATEVER HITLER CALLED HIMSELF ,I THINK YOU'LL FIND HE WAS RIGHT WING, HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN A REASONABLE SENSIBLE RIGHT WING GOVERNMENT FRANCO,HITLER THATCHER PINOCHET, ALL DECENT SENSIBLE PEOPLE NOT.
TOM TOPPER, WHATEVER HITLER CALLED HIMSELF ,I THINK YOU'LL FIND HE WAS RIGHT WING, HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN A REASONABLE SENSIBLE RIGHT WING GOVERNMENT FRANCO,HITLER THATCHER PINOCHET, ALL DECENT SENSIBLE PEOPLE NOT. argo2013
  • Score: -10

12:51pm Thu 28 Mar 13

MSG says...

Stalin, Tito & Blair, all of the left of politics, all evil and responsible for many deaths !
Stalin, Tito & Blair, all of the left of politics, all evil and responsible for many deaths ! MSG
  • Score: 7

2:16pm Thu 28 Mar 13

CDixon33 says...

I will be voting UKIP at the next election. The Tories are criminals and Labour are all for the workshy. We need a change
I will be voting UKIP at the next election. The Tories are criminals and Labour are all for the workshy. We need a change CDixon33
  • Score: 8

2:19pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Lawman3 says...

tomtopper wrote:
argo2013 wrote: grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.
Ukip aren't socialists like Hitler was... Socialists and socialism are the real evil
Wow. How about that for an attempt to completely rewrite history!
[quote][p][bold]tomtopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.[/p][/quote]Ukip aren't socialists like Hitler was... Socialists and socialism are the real evil[/p][/quote]Wow. How about that for an attempt to completely rewrite history! Lawman3
  • Score: -6

2:20pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Lawman3 says...

tomtopper wrote:
argo2013 wrote: grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.
Ukip aren't socialists like Hitler was... Socialists and socialism are the real evil
Wow. How about that for an attempt to completely rewrite history!
[quote][p][bold]tomtopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: grim north what do you really know about ukip, the nazis seemed reasonable people at first finding work for people ,supporting people in need that is until they got into power,didn't realise there were so many fools in this country.[/p][/quote]Ukip aren't socialists like Hitler was... Socialists and socialism are the real evil[/p][/quote]Wow. How about that for an attempt to completely rewrite history! Lawman3
  • Score: -5

2:32pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Lawman3 says...

Whilst I understand why people are fed up with the main parties, it is important to know exactly what you are voting for.

Dr Alan Sked, who founded UKIP, left the party because he was concerned that it was becoming too right wing. When it came to UKIP's immigration policy he said "UKIP is even less liberal than the BNP. Certainly, there is a symbiosis between elements of the parties". He also described a conversation with Nigel Farage during which Farage allegedly said "We will never win the **** vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us".

Scrape the surface and you'll find that they are the collection of loonies fruit cakes and racists as described by Cameron.
Whilst I understand why people are fed up with the main parties, it is important to know exactly what you are voting for. Dr Alan Sked, who founded UKIP, left the party because he was concerned that it was becoming too right wing. When it came to UKIP's immigration policy he said "UKIP is even less liberal than the BNP. Certainly, there is a symbiosis between elements of the parties". He also described a conversation with Nigel Farage during which Farage allegedly said "We will never win the **** vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us". Scrape the surface and you'll find that they are the collection of loonies fruit cakes and racists as described by Cameron. Lawman3
  • Score: -8

2:39pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Stocko says...

TrevorEnglish wrote:
Stocko wrote:
dave3000 wrote:
Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.
If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one.
It seems most pro-UKIP supporters on here want to back a party who wish to get out of EU and halt immigration.

Not sure being elected to N Yorks CC will achieve that - do they have any views on local issues I wonder?

Or is it the same as their MEPs - won't turn up for votes, no interest in representing the people who elected them (or anyone else in their constituencies because don't forget that's part of the deal for an elected representative).

There is something appealing to the public to look for alternatives - protest votes you may say - but in reality this lot are a bunch of amateurs with one policy and very few ideas how to help the majority in this country.

At present Farage can repeat his lies about the EU and immigration with impunity but god help us if they ever get into power - anywhere.
People freely elect UKIP MEPs so they have no moral duty to engage in the EU beyond what furthers the aims of UKIP on behalf of the people who elected them as such. A UKIP MEP has a democratic mandate to pursue the aims of UKIP and the wishes of those who elected them.
How else should people's UKIP representatives receive a living salary? Donations? The British taxpayer already pays huge amounts to the EU for little return and the British taxpayer votes UKIP in EU elections so it's right some of that money goes to UKIP MEPs.
Your other point: Can you provide an example of a lie told by Farage?
I didn't vote for my local MP but he is in parliament to represent me as well as those who did. That's how our democratic system works.

The UKIP MEPs do not represent their constituents at all.

Lies of Farage:
Apart from every statement he makes you mean?

Try EU costs us £50m a day!

Try - I always intended to put my expenses on our website as promised but still haven't had time to get round to it. Honest!

Try - immigrants from EU can claim JSA when they arrive in UK.

the list goes on....
[quote][p][bold]TrevorEnglish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stocko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave3000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: Some support for the Band-Wagon jumpers.Do they realise that they are lurching to the extreme Right.Dont be fooled by the benign smile.UKIP is fascist at it's core,a scrubbed up version of the BNP.[/p][/quote]If you consider a party who simply wish to have a series debate about the effect of immigration (among many other things) as 'far right' I can only assume you're one of these jumped up, upper-middle class suburban liberals. As a working class voter im happy UKIP are willing to listen to my concerns on many things, immigration being one.[/p][/quote]It seems most pro-UKIP supporters on here want to back a party who wish to get out of EU and halt immigration. Not sure being elected to N Yorks CC will achieve that - do they have any views on local issues I wonder? Or is it the same as their MEPs - won't turn up for votes, no interest in representing the people who elected them (or anyone else in their constituencies because don't forget that's part of the deal for an elected representative). There is something appealing to the public to look for alternatives - protest votes you may say - but in reality this lot are a bunch of amateurs with one policy and very few ideas how to help the majority in this country. At present Farage can repeat his lies about the EU and immigration with impunity but god help us if they ever get into power - anywhere.[/p][/quote]People freely elect UKIP MEPs so they have no moral duty to engage in the EU beyond what furthers the aims of UKIP on behalf of the people who elected them as such. A UKIP MEP has a democratic mandate to pursue the aims of UKIP and the wishes of those who elected them. How else should people's UKIP representatives receive a living salary? Donations? The British taxpayer already pays huge amounts to the EU for little return and the British taxpayer votes UKIP in EU elections so it's right some of that money goes to UKIP MEPs. Your other point: Can you provide an example of a lie told by Farage?[/p][/quote]I didn't vote for my local MP but he is in parliament to represent me as well as those who did. That's how our democratic system works. The UKIP MEPs do not represent their constituents at all. Lies of Farage: Apart from every statement he makes you mean? Try EU costs us £50m a day! Try - I always intended to put my expenses on our website as promised but still haven't had time to get round to it. Honest! Try - immigrants from EU can claim JSA when they arrive in UK. the list goes on.... Stocko
  • Score: -8

3:18pm Thu 28 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

mSG,Blair is a tory and and a opportunist,Thatcher supported Pinochet,and the apartheid government in South Africa,Blair was light weight compared to that mob,and the USA of Bushes regime.
mSG,Blair is a tory and and a opportunist,Thatcher supported Pinochet,and the apartheid government in South Africa,Blair was light weight compared to that mob,and the USA of Bushes regime. argo2013
  • Score: -5

4:32pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Stocko says...

I'll say one thing for Nigel Farage - he's **** clever - trying to stop all this EU immigration.

Absolutely gagging-it all his German wife's relatives going to be coming over to stay.

Method in his madness methinks!
I'll say one thing for Nigel Farage - he's **** clever - trying to stop all this EU immigration. Absolutely gagging-it all his German wife's relatives going to be coming over to stay. Method in his madness methinks! Stocko
  • Score: -4

4:37pm Thu 28 Mar 13

st-george1 says...

UKIP really are a bunch of dishonest so-called politicians …
This will surprise lot of people when they realise that UKIP’s MEPs, kipping when supposedly on duty who voted against forcing the EU budget increase to be cut BECAUSE they said Mr Cameron’s proposal didn’t demand a big enough cut … how hacked-off is that !
UKIP really are a bunch of dishonest so-called politicians … This will surprise lot of people when they realise that UKIP’s MEPs, kipping when supposedly on duty who voted against forcing the EU budget increase to be cut BECAUSE they said Mr Cameron’s proposal didn’t demand a big enough cut … how hacked-off is that ! st-george1
  • Score: -7

4:52pm Thu 28 Mar 13

funksoul201181 says...

Problem i have with ukip is when asked they have no answers about education or nhs etc without mentioning immigration. There statistics are usually wrong about immigration and they dnt mention the amount of immigrant brits evweywhere. They also cant decide if immigrantsvare here to steal jobs or sponge all benefits.
Problem i have with ukip is when asked they have no answers about education or nhs etc without mentioning immigration. There statistics are usually wrong about immigration and they dnt mention the amount of immigrant brits evweywhere. They also cant decide if immigrantsvare here to steal jobs or sponge all benefits. funksoul201181
  • Score: -7

7:46pm Thu 28 Mar 13

victorjames says...

They're all consenting adults although periods of auterity nearly always lead to the rise of parties with extreme policies, Golden Dawn in Greece today and the National Socialists in Germany before the war (the last one that is). The latter were seen as saviours at first. Personally UKIP would never get my vote because they're racist at heart and plan to get rid of the NHS.
They're all consenting adults although periods of auterity nearly always lead to the rise of parties with extreme policies, Golden Dawn in Greece today and the National Socialists in Germany before the war (the last one that is). The latter were seen as saviours at first. Personally UKIP would never get my vote because they're racist at heart and plan to get rid of the NHS. victorjames
  • Score: -4

8:37pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Adam Walker says...

In an attempt at presenting itself as a real party, UKIP has copied some nationalist and anti-immigration policies from the BNP, but has combined these with Thatcherism and 'libertarianism' (the philosophy of dog-eat-dog unrestricted capitalism).
It's unlikely that many of those who vote for UKIP, in desperation for any alternative to the main parties, actually understands the implications of this unpleasant combination of beliefs.
Thatcherism was a terrible social disaster for Britain, promoting get-rich-quick self-centred capitalism at the expense of the 'underclass' of long-term unemployed which it created.
Although Farage claims his party will "protect the British people" actually they only care about protecting City bankers and other rich British capitalists.
On social and economic policy they are right-wing Tories, with a programme of cuts in the health service and welfare, and huge commitments to increased defense spending.
In contrast the British National Party emphasises the social aspects of nationalism - that the nation is a family who should support its weaker members, not leave them to 'sink or swim'.
We don't aspire to be professional politicians, but instead work as part of communities across the UK in community action such as raising funds for food banks.
In contrast to the elitist UKIP, dominated by ex-stockbroker Farage, the BNP is an open and democratic party which encourages participation and discussion.
BNP policies include government decentralisation and commitment to local democracy, whilst the 'libertarianism' of UKIP simply means their government would take no responsibility for social welfare, but would be as centralised and authoritarian as Thatcher's regime in other respects.
In social/economic policy, UKIP is to the right of the conservatives, whilst the BNP is somewhat to the left of centre. More fundamentally, the BNP is a genuine party with a complete and coherent programme, not simply a single-issue pressure group with a grab-bag of policies.
The BNP has consistently had a radical and long-term perspective, we warned about the consequences of mass immigration - not just its economic harm but the dangers of British culture and peoples being replaced - for years before the other parties belatedly accepted the truth of these problems.
Likewise the BNP has been warning about the environmental harm from overpopulation, an issue the Green party has avoided raising out of fears of political incorrectness.
The BNP is willing to ask the big questions and challenge conventional thinking - for example, the absurdity that England is becoming more and more a dependency of London, whilst London itself becomes a foreign city - or whether Fractional Reserve Banking really makes sense as a basis of the financial system.
For all these reasons, people who want to see real change, and a true solution to Britain's problems, should support the BNP and not be seduced by the media promotion of Farage and his party.
In an attempt at presenting itself as a real party, UKIP has copied some nationalist and anti-immigration policies from the BNP, but has combined these with Thatcherism and 'libertarianism' (the philosophy of dog-eat-dog unrestricted capitalism). It's unlikely that many of those who vote for UKIP, in desperation for any alternative to the main parties, actually understands the implications of this unpleasant combination of beliefs. Thatcherism was a terrible social disaster for Britain, promoting get-rich-quick self-centred capitalism at the expense of the 'underclass' of long-term unemployed which it created. Although Farage claims his party will "protect the British people" actually they only care about protecting City bankers and other rich British capitalists. On social and economic policy they are right-wing Tories, with a programme of cuts in the health service and welfare, and huge commitments to increased defense spending. In contrast the British National Party emphasises the social aspects of nationalism - that the nation is a family who should support its weaker members, not leave them to 'sink or swim'. We don't aspire to be professional politicians, but instead work as part of communities across the UK in community action such as raising funds for food banks. In contrast to the elitist UKIP, dominated by ex-stockbroker Farage, the BNP is an open and democratic party which encourages participation and discussion. BNP policies include government decentralisation and commitment to local democracy, whilst the 'libertarianism' of UKIP simply means their government would take no responsibility for social welfare, but would be as centralised and authoritarian as Thatcher's regime in other respects. In social/economic policy, UKIP is to the right of the conservatives, whilst the BNP is somewhat to the left of centre. More fundamentally, the BNP is a genuine party with a complete and coherent programme, not simply a single-issue pressure group with a grab-bag of policies. The BNP has consistently had a radical and long-term perspective, we warned about the consequences of mass immigration - not just its economic harm but the dangers of British culture and peoples being replaced - for years before the other parties belatedly accepted the truth of these problems. Likewise the BNP has been warning about the environmental harm from overpopulation, an issue the Green party has avoided raising out of fears of political incorrectness. The BNP is willing to ask the big questions and challenge conventional thinking - for example, the absurdity that England is becoming more and more a dependency of London, whilst London itself becomes a foreign city - or whether Fractional Reserve Banking really makes sense as a basis of the financial system. For all these reasons, people who want to see real change, and a true solution to Britain's problems, should support the BNP and not be seduced by the media promotion of Farage and his party. Adam Walker
  • Score: -5

9:22pm Thu 28 Mar 13

stiv says...

anyone who cares about our country should be voting UKIP. we all know what our country has got coming to it when the floodgates open to the east europeans in the new year, camerons party has the power to stop it but will he, no, he will allow each and every one of us to suffer the long term consequences. as usual the brtish citizen will suffer while the jobless immigrant benifits. do we have a voice and someone who cares, YES we have now with UKIP.
anyone who cares about our country should be voting UKIP. we all know what our country has got coming to it when the floodgates open to the east europeans in the new year, camerons party has the power to stop it but will he, no, he will allow each and every one of us to suffer the long term consequences. as usual the brtish citizen will suffer while the jobless immigrant benifits. do we have a voice and someone who cares, YES we have now with UKIP. stiv
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Thu 28 Mar 13

stiv says...

Anyone who cares about our country should be voting UKIP. we all know what our country has got coming to it when the floodgates open to the east europeans in the new year, camerons party has the power to stop it but will he, no, he will allow each and every one of us to suffer the long term consequences. as usual the brtish citizen will suffer while the jobless immigrant benifits. Extreme right maybe but what choice do we have except with UKIP?
Anyone who cares about our country should be voting UKIP. we all know what our country has got coming to it when the floodgates open to the east europeans in the new year, camerons party has the power to stop it but will he, no, he will allow each and every one of us to suffer the long term consequences. as usual the brtish citizen will suffer while the jobless immigrant benifits. Extreme right maybe but what choice do we have except with UKIP? stiv
  • Score: 2

9:29pm Thu 28 Mar 13

johnny_p says...

Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with?
Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with? johnny_p
  • Score: 8

10:33pm Thu 28 Mar 13

tomtopper says...

Typical control freak socialists.. " We know what's best, you can't possibly make your own mind up and vote for who you think's best" ... That's what they're really trying to say..

You have to consider who the real haters are, when folk use the tactics of a bully to smear anyone who disagrees with them as opposed to logical debate.. Typically, when socialists lose the debate, 'racist' is the only label they have left.. It's a shame they can't extend their professed 'tolerance' to those who disagree with them..
Typical control freak socialists.. " We know what's best, you can't possibly make your own mind up and vote for who you think's best" ... That's what they're really trying to say.. You have to consider who the real haters are, when folk use the tactics of a bully to smear anyone who disagrees with them as opposed to logical debate.. Typically, when socialists lose the debate, 'racist' is the only label they have left.. It's a shame they can't extend their professed 'tolerance' to those who disagree with them.. tomtopper
  • Score: 6

11:45pm Thu 28 Mar 13

Stocko says...

johnny_p wrote:
Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with?
Its not just Labourites who called UKIP mildly racist - didn't Cameron?

Or do you assume only those on the 'left' can be against UKIP?
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with?[/p][/quote]Its not just Labourites who called UKIP mildly racist - didn't Cameron? Or do you assume only those on the 'left' can be against UKIP? Stocko
  • Score: 2

4:01am Fri 29 Mar 13

johnny_p says...

Stocko wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with?
Its not just Labourites who called UKIP mildly racist - didn't Cameron?

Or do you assume only those on the 'left' can be against UKIP?
I'm not sure that David Cameron did refer to UKIP as "racist", and if he did I can't find any reference to it online. I very much doubt it anyway, as UKIP are clearly not "racist", they just want controls on immigration. The kind of behaviour that Gordon Brown thought only came from "that bigoted" woman.

But guess you're panicking too now Stocko? Can you imagine it? People in the North East changing their preprogrammed voting behaviour..... Ouch!
[quote][p][bold]Stocko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with?[/p][/quote]Its not just Labourites who called UKIP mildly racist - didn't Cameron? Or do you assume only those on the 'left' can be against UKIP?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure that David Cameron did refer to UKIP as "racist", and if he did I can't find any reference to it online. I very much doubt it anyway, as UKIP are clearly not "racist", they just want controls on immigration. The kind of behaviour that Gordon Brown thought only came from "that bigoted" woman. But guess you're panicking too now Stocko? Can you imagine it? People in the North East changing their preprogrammed voting behaviour..... Ouch! johnny_p
  • Score: 3

4:06am Fri 29 Mar 13

johnny_p says...

argo2013 wrote:
good news for labour in east yorkshire,well done ukip keep weakening the tories.
I don't think so- at "worst" we could be looking at a Con-UKIP coalition. Now that would be interesting with things swinging nicely to the right....
[quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: good news for labour in east yorkshire,well done ukip keep weakening the tories.[/p][/quote]I don't think so- at "worst" we could be looking at a Con-UKIP coalition. Now that would be interesting with things swinging nicely to the right.... johnny_p
  • Score: 4

4:11am Fri 29 Mar 13

johnny_p says...

argo2013 wrote:
scotspeter 1, The labour party saved the banks ,we don't need the fascist ukip to save us.
Oh. They saved the banks. I thought Gordon Brown saved "the world" (in his own words).

Nobody "saved the banks". We racked up an even bigger overdraft to pay for the banking mess that Labour failed to oversea or control. And worse still, we'll be paying for it for many decades to come.
[quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: scotspeter 1, The labour party saved the banks ,we don't need the fascist ukip to save us.[/p][/quote]Oh. They saved the banks. I thought Gordon Brown saved "the world" (in his own words). Nobody "saved the banks". We racked up an even bigger overdraft to pay for the banking mess that Labour failed to oversea or control. And worse still, we'll be paying for it for many decades to come. johnny_p
  • Score: 8

4:14am Fri 29 Mar 13

johnny_p says...

funksoul201181 wrote:
Problem i have with ukip is when asked they have no answers about education or nhs etc without mentioning immigration. There statistics are usually wrong about immigration and they dnt mention the amount of immigrant brits evweywhere. They also cant decide if immigrantsvare here to steal jobs or sponge all benefits.
Hopefully UKIP will address education. Standards are clearly falling. I mean, just look at the way some people write nowadays....
[quote][p][bold]funksoul201181[/bold] wrote: Problem i have with ukip is when asked they have no answers about education or nhs etc without mentioning immigration. There statistics are usually wrong about immigration and they dnt mention the amount of immigrant brits evweywhere. They also cant decide if immigrantsvare here to steal jobs or sponge all benefits.[/p][/quote]Hopefully UKIP will address education. Standards are clearly falling. I mean, just look at the way some people write nowadays.... johnny_p
  • Score: 7

7:13am Fri 29 Mar 13

scotspeter1 says...

ukiip is revealing the TRUTH? regarding the the euro and banks now feeling the donimo effect , get your money out now ? many now doing just that ? the brussels parliament is finnished as gods hand of truth comes apon all evils in our world , many great people like nelson mandela now being called home to heaven ......god dose exisit ?.......so dose SATAN ? our nhs and vatican now being exposed of these EVILS WATCH THIS SPACE ? AND REPENT YOUR SINS AND EVILS
ukiip is revealing the TRUTH? regarding the the euro and banks now feeling the donimo effect , get your money out now ? many now doing just that ? the brussels parliament is finnished as gods hand of truth comes apon all evils in our world , many great people like nelson mandela now being called home to heaven ......god dose exisit ?.......so dose SATAN ? our nhs and vatican now being exposed of these EVILS WATCH THIS SPACE ? AND REPENT YOUR SINS AND EVILS scotspeter1
  • Score: -2

7:36am Fri 29 Mar 13

scotspeter1 says...

mankind is now being called back to god , surly the worst sinners must see this , as our NHS in leeds surgery of children comes under investigation , it is facts that www.edskilling.com www.bobbeck.com cure all mankinds major killers , without surgery ? and google is revealing this TRUTH ? THERE IS A WORLD DEPOPULATION GOING ON , ESPECIALY IN OUR NHS ? THROUGH CHEMO POISON CANCER TREATMENT , NOT TO MENTION OUR ALZHEIMERS EPIDEMIC NOW HITTING YOUNGER PEOPLE , MY LATE DAUGHTER WAS JUST ONE OF THE MILLIONS BUTCHERED WITH THIS CANCER TREATMENT ? LET DR GOOGLE BE YOUR GP ? ....YOUR HEALTH WILL IMPROVE ?
mankind is now being called back to god , surly the worst sinners must see this , as our NHS in leeds surgery of children comes under investigation , it is facts that www.edskilling.com www.bobbeck.com cure all mankinds major killers , without surgery ? and google is revealing this TRUTH ? THERE IS A WORLD DEPOPULATION GOING ON , ESPECIALY IN OUR NHS ? THROUGH CHEMO POISON CANCER TREATMENT , NOT TO MENTION OUR ALZHEIMERS EPIDEMIC NOW HITTING YOUNGER PEOPLE , MY LATE DAUGHTER WAS JUST ONE OF THE MILLIONS BUTCHERED WITH THIS CANCER TREATMENT ? LET DR GOOGLE BE YOUR GP ? ....YOUR HEALTH WILL IMPROVE ? scotspeter1
  • Score: 0

9:42am Fri 29 Mar 13

TrevorEnglish says...

Lawman3 wrote:
Whilst I understand why people are fed up with the main parties, it is important to know exactly what you are voting for.

Dr Alan Sked, who founded UKIP, left the party because he was concerned that it was becoming too right wing. When it came to UKIP's immigration policy he said "UKIP is even less liberal than the BNP. Certainly, there is a symbiosis between elements of the parties". He also described a conversation with Nigel Farage during which Farage allegedly said "We will never win the **** vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us".

Scrape the surface and you'll find that they are the collection of loonies fruit cakes and racists as described by Cameron.
Allegedly.
[quote][p][bold]Lawman3[/bold] wrote: Whilst I understand why people are fed up with the main parties, it is important to know exactly what you are voting for. Dr Alan Sked, who founded UKIP, left the party because he was concerned that it was becoming too right wing. When it came to UKIP's immigration policy he said "UKIP is even less liberal than the BNP. Certainly, there is a symbiosis between elements of the parties". He also described a conversation with Nigel Farage during which Farage allegedly said "We will never win the **** vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us". Scrape the surface and you'll find that they are the collection of loonies fruit cakes and racists as described by Cameron.[/p][/quote]Allegedly. TrevorEnglish
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Fri 29 Mar 13

David Lacey says...

By making such a stupid comment Cameron drove away thousands of Tories and proved that he is not fit to be PM.
By making such a stupid comment Cameron drove away thousands of Tories and proved that he is not fit to be PM. David Lacey
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Fri 29 Mar 13

Stocko says...

johnny_p wrote:
Stocko wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with?
Its not just Labourites who called UKIP mildly racist - didn't Cameron?

Or do you assume only those on the 'left' can be against UKIP?
I'm not sure that David Cameron did refer to UKIP as "racist", and if he did I can't find any reference to it online. I very much doubt it anyway, as UKIP are clearly not "racist", they just want controls on immigration. The kind of behaviour that Gordon Brown thought only came from "that bigoted" woman.

But guess you're panicking too now Stocko? Can you imagine it? People in the North East changing their preprogrammed voting behaviour..... Ouch!
It was reported Jp eg

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-are-close
t-racists-says-camer
on-472769.html

Don't get me wrong - I am not a Tory - just wanted to point out the apparent contradiction in your comment.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stocko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Interesting to note how panicking Labourites here immediately shout "racist" when UKIP are mentioned. Is that all they can come up with?[/p][/quote]Its not just Labourites who called UKIP mildly racist - didn't Cameron? Or do you assume only those on the 'left' can be against UKIP?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure that David Cameron did refer to UKIP as "racist", and if he did I can't find any reference to it online. I very much doubt it anyway, as UKIP are clearly not "racist", they just want controls on immigration. The kind of behaviour that Gordon Brown thought only came from "that bigoted" woman. But guess you're panicking too now Stocko? Can you imagine it? People in the North East changing their preprogrammed voting behaviour..... Ouch![/p][/quote]It was reported Jp eg http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-are-close t-racists-says-camer on-472769.html Don't get me wrong - I am not a Tory - just wanted to point out the apparent contradiction in your comment. Stocko
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Fri 29 Mar 13

Stocko says...

Oh and ps Jp - I wouldn't be panicking if I supported Labour - UKIP are on a high as a protest party in the way the Lib Dems used to be but when it comes to meaningful elections people will revert to the main parties - they may not like or trust them - but the average Brit is conservative with a small 'c' and tends to stick with the devils they know.
Oh and ps Jp - I wouldn't be panicking if I supported Labour - UKIP are on a high as a protest party in the way the Lib Dems used to be but when it comes to meaningful elections people will revert to the main parties - they may not like or trust them - but the average Brit is conservative with a small 'c' and tends to stick with the devils they know. Stocko
  • Score: -5

3:52pm Fri 29 Mar 13

David Lacey says...

I'm sure you will be proved to be correct Stocko. But there will be sufficient Tories with the hump wanting to give Cameron a bl**dy nose that he will lose the election. Serves him right. He doesn't deserve a second chance.
I'm sure you will be proved to be correct Stocko. But there will be sufficient Tories with the hump wanting to give Cameron a bl**dy nose that he will lose the election. Serves him right. He doesn't deserve a second chance. David Lacey
  • Score: 1

9:45pm Fri 29 Mar 13

spragger says...

Every day the three main parties do not face up to the EU, immigration and the cost of the Public Sector, is another defection to UKIP.

Why do these parties ignore the wishes of the taxpaying public?
Every day the three main parties do not face up to the EU, immigration and the cost of the Public Sector, is another defection to UKIP. Why do these parties ignore the wishes of the taxpaying public? spragger
  • Score: 4

9:49pm Fri 29 Mar 13

spragger says...

By the way, the nazi's and Hitler were National Socialists. The bulk of Hitler's policies were slam dunk socialism.
- It just suits the Leftards to change history?

- maybe they are Holocaust deniers as well?
By the way, the nazi's and Hitler were National Socialists. The bulk of Hitler's policies were slam dunk socialism. - It just suits the Leftards to change history? - maybe they are Holocaust deniers as well? spragger
  • Score: 3

11:45pm Fri 29 Mar 13

Stocko says...

David Lacey wrote:
I'm sure you will be proved to be correct Stocko. But there will be sufficient Tories with the hump wanting to give Cameron a bl**dy nose that he will lose the election. Serves him right. He doesn't deserve a second chance.
I agree - I'd be surprised if Cameron won. But voters are more wary in General Elections.

There are precedents - remember Major was even further behind Kinnock in polls.

Labour also have hurdles to overcome with the electors on the economy.

The UKIP factor could tell - though again I recall David Steel' 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government' speech after the SDP had almost as momentous a period in the 1980s as UKIP have had.

If there is a gradual upturn in the economy then things could also get tougher for Labour.

If I was to have a bet now I'd go for Labour ahead but not a majority - with support from a post-election Vince Cable led Lib-Dem party.

Of course a shock Scottish vote out of UK in 2014 would throw everything up in the air.

Probably all wrong though - by 2016 Boris could be King Emperor with a Bellesconi type cabinet of lovelies running the country - who's to say we'd be any worse off :).
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: I'm sure you will be proved to be correct Stocko. But there will be sufficient Tories with the hump wanting to give Cameron a bl**dy nose that he will lose the election. Serves him right. He doesn't deserve a second chance.[/p][/quote]I agree - I'd be surprised if Cameron won. But voters are more wary in General Elections. There are precedents - remember Major was even further behind Kinnock in polls. Labour also have hurdles to overcome with the electors on the economy. The UKIP factor could tell - though again I recall David Steel' 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government' speech after the SDP had almost as momentous a period in the 1980s as UKIP have had. If there is a gradual upturn in the economy then things could also get tougher for Labour. If I was to have a bet now I'd go for Labour ahead but not a majority - with support from a post-election Vince Cable led Lib-Dem party. Of course a shock Scottish vote out of UK in 2014 would throw everything up in the air. Probably all wrong though - by 2016 Boris could be King Emperor with a Bellesconi type cabinet of lovelies running the country - who's to say we'd be any worse off :). Stocko
  • Score: 1

8:39pm Sat 30 Mar 13

John Justice says...

I believe that a vote for UKIP is a vote against the two and a quarter mainstream parties. I agree with some of their policies but the reality is that they do not have any experienced would be MPs that could run the country.
I will vote UKIP in any local or national elections because it seems to be the only way of sending a message to the main parties that a significant number of ordinary, intelligent voters are sick to death of them.
I believe that a vote for UKIP is a vote against the two and a quarter mainstream parties. I agree with some of their policies but the reality is that they do not have any experienced would be MPs that could run the country. I will vote UKIP in any local or national elections because it seems to be the only way of sending a message to the main parties that a significant number of ordinary, intelligent voters are sick to death of them. John Justice
  • Score: 6

9:07am Sun 31 Mar 13

jewitt says...

Why would anybody for the mainstream parties? All have failed.
Why would anybody for the mainstream parties? All have failed. jewitt
  • Score: 4

8:35pm Sun 31 Mar 13

behonest says...

Well I think Steph Todd looks pretty good for 52. I'd give her.......my vote.
Well I think Steph Todd looks pretty good for 52. I'd give her.......my vote. behonest
  • Score: 1

1:52am Mon 1 Apr 13

behonest says...

Stocko wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
I'm sure you will be proved to be correct Stocko. But there will be sufficient Tories with the hump wanting to give Cameron a bl**dy nose that he will lose the election. Serves him right. He doesn't deserve a second chance.
I agree - I'd be surprised if Cameron won. But voters are more wary in General Elections.

There are precedents - remember Major was even further behind Kinnock in polls.

Labour also have hurdles to overcome with the electors on the economy.

The UKIP factor could tell - though again I recall David Steel' 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government' speech after the SDP had almost as momentous a period in the 1980s as UKIP have had.

If there is a gradual upturn in the economy then things could also get tougher for Labour.

If I was to have a bet now I'd go for Labour ahead but not a majority - with support from a post-election Vince Cable led Lib-Dem party.

Of course a shock Scottish vote out of UK in 2014 would throw everything up in the air.

Probably all wrong though - by 2016 Boris could be King Emperor with a Bellesconi type cabinet of lovelies running the country - who's to say we'd be any worse off :).
Hate to say it Stocko, but a very good assessment here. Particularly the Scottish question throwing everything up in the air. A lot of Labour MPs are gone if the Scots quit, which does make me wonder whether the Tories will campaign too strongly for a pro-union vote. I hope they will, I think they will, but I do wonder.

My guess at this stage is that the Scots won't vote to leave, and Cameron and Miliband will be fighting for LibDum support. However, UKIP is the big unknown. If Farage continues to play it well over the next two years, we could well see a Tory/UKIP alliance in 2015.

Either way, I do hope we see the Tories and Labour fall well short of an overall majority. The two party system is well overdue a kick up the jacksy!
[quote][p][bold]Stocko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: I'm sure you will be proved to be correct Stocko. But there will be sufficient Tories with the hump wanting to give Cameron a bl**dy nose that he will lose the election. Serves him right. He doesn't deserve a second chance.[/p][/quote]I agree - I'd be surprised if Cameron won. But voters are more wary in General Elections. There are precedents - remember Major was even further behind Kinnock in polls. Labour also have hurdles to overcome with the electors on the economy. The UKIP factor could tell - though again I recall David Steel' 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government' speech after the SDP had almost as momentous a period in the 1980s as UKIP have had. If there is a gradual upturn in the economy then things could also get tougher for Labour. If I was to have a bet now I'd go for Labour ahead but not a majority - with support from a post-election Vince Cable led Lib-Dem party. Of course a shock Scottish vote out of UK in 2014 would throw everything up in the air. Probably all wrong though - by 2016 Boris could be King Emperor with a Bellesconi type cabinet of lovelies running the country - who's to say we'd be any worse off :).[/p][/quote]Hate to say it Stocko, but a very good assessment here. Particularly the Scottish question throwing everything up in the air. A lot of Labour MPs are gone if the Scots quit, which does make me wonder whether the Tories will campaign too strongly for a pro-union vote. I hope they will, I think they will, but I do wonder. My guess at this stage is that the Scots won't vote to leave, and Cameron and Miliband will be fighting for LibDum support. However, UKIP is the big unknown. If Farage continues to play it well over the next two years, we could well see a Tory/UKIP alliance in 2015. Either way, I do hope we see the Tories and Labour fall well short of an overall majority. The two party system is well overdue a kick up the jacksy! behonest
  • Score: 2

5:13am Mon 1 Apr 13

Pikey-Biker says...

scotspeter1 wrote:
mankind is now being called back to god , surly the worst sinners must see this , as our NHS in leeds surgery of children comes under investigation , it is facts that www.edskilling.com www.bobbeck.com cure all mankinds major killers , without surgery ? and google is revealing this TRUTH ? THERE IS A WORLD DEPOPULATION GOING ON , ESPECIALY IN OUR NHS ? THROUGH CHEMO POISON CANCER TREATMENT , NOT TO MENTION OUR ALZHEIMERS EPIDEMIC NOW HITTING YOUNGER PEOPLE , MY LATE DAUGHTER WAS JUST ONE OF THE MILLIONS BUTCHERED WITH THIS CANCER TREATMENT ? LET DR GOOGLE BE YOUR GP ? ....YOUR HEALTH WILL IMPROVE ?
Anger issues with capital letters……. Not good
chill out dude, you need to take care of your mental health
[quote][p][bold]scotspeter1[/bold] wrote: mankind is now being called back to god , surly the worst sinners must see this , as our NHS in leeds surgery of children comes under investigation , it is facts that www.edskilling.com www.bobbeck.com cure all mankinds major killers , without surgery ? and google is revealing this TRUTH ? THERE IS A WORLD DEPOPULATION GOING ON , ESPECIALY IN OUR NHS ? THROUGH CHEMO POISON CANCER TREATMENT , NOT TO MENTION OUR ALZHEIMERS EPIDEMIC NOW HITTING YOUNGER PEOPLE , MY LATE DAUGHTER WAS JUST ONE OF THE MILLIONS BUTCHERED WITH THIS CANCER TREATMENT ? LET DR GOOGLE BE YOUR GP ? ....YOUR HEALTH WILL IMPROVE ?[/p][/quote]Anger issues with capital letters……. Not good chill out dude, you need to take care of your mental health Pikey-Biker
  • Score: 3

10:10pm Mon 1 Apr 13

pxatkins says...

I dislike floor-crossers of any stripe, but to defect to UKIP is low. If people vote you in you should respect their wishes and serve their intent. You defectors should be ashamed at your deceit and disservice and resign altogether.
I dislike floor-crossers of any stripe, but to defect to UKIP is low. If people vote you in you should respect their wishes and serve their intent. You defectors should be ashamed at your deceit and disservice and resign altogether. pxatkins
  • Score: -3

1:24pm Wed 3 Apr 13

behonest says...

pxatkins wrote:
I dislike floor-crossers of any stripe, but to defect to UKIP is low. If people vote you in you should respect their wishes and serve their intent. You defectors should be ashamed at your deceit and disservice and resign altogether.
They're not as bad as the vile Labour (ex Tory) MP Sean Woodward though. There are those who cross the floor and those who cross the line. He crossed the line, and yet still the clueless lefties vote for him.
[quote][p][bold]pxatkins[/bold] wrote: I dislike floor-crossers of any stripe, but to defect to UKIP is low. If people vote you in you should respect their wishes and serve their intent. You defectors should be ashamed at your deceit and disservice and resign altogether.[/p][/quote]They're not as bad as the vile Labour (ex Tory) MP Sean Woodward though. There are those who cross the floor and those who cross the line. He crossed the line, and yet still the clueless lefties vote for him. behonest
  • Score: 2

2:47pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Stocko says...

Churchill crossed the floor - twice.
Churchill crossed the floor - twice. Stocko
  • Score: 1

3:34pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Clint Magnum says...

Paul of North Yorks wrote:
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I believe UKIP gives many ordinary Britons like me the opportunity to vote for a party which is different to the others. The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties are essentially all the same, whereas UKIP is prepared to 'say it as it is'. It’s great to know that I’m likely to have the opportunity to be able to vote for UKIP in the forthcoming elections!
I am still suspicious of the UKIP's underlying reasons for power and just how far they hvae really disassociated themselves from the BNP and fascism. However, the country is so disallusioned with every political party and individual politician that UKIP will have a seriously strong improvement over the next few years.
In reality, the current parties are clearly corrupt, power hungry liars so can UKIP be any worse. I doubt it. Give them a chance.
[quote][p][bold]Paul of North Yorks[/bold] wrote: I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I believe UKIP gives many ordinary Britons like me the opportunity to vote for a party which is different to the others. The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties are essentially all the same, whereas UKIP is prepared to 'say it as it is'. It’s great to know that I’m likely to have the opportunity to be able to vote for UKIP in the forthcoming elections![/p][/quote]I am still suspicious of the UKIP's underlying reasons for power and just how far they hvae really disassociated themselves from the BNP and fascism. However, the country is so disallusioned with every political party and individual politician that UKIP will have a seriously strong improvement over the next few years. In reality, the current parties are clearly corrupt, power hungry liars so can UKIP be any worse. I doubt it. Give them a chance. Clint Magnum
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Wed 3 Apr 13

The Love Slug says...

people said that about the Lib Dems, and look how they sold out for their 5 minutes of fame as Camerons B*tch
people said that about the Lib Dems, and look how they sold out for their 5 minutes of fame as Camerons B*tch The Love Slug
  • Score: 1

9:59pm Fri 19 Apr 13

Carribean says...

Well done guys and the very best for coming elections. The troika of old parties are consumed by furthering the great EU con social engineering project of rendering us mere guinea pigs in creation by stealth of the United States of Europe. They have handed over control of our borders and our courts to the EU already plus we learn that after 17 years without finding anyone to sign off the books the EU estimates that £4billion of our cash is lost every year in fraud. It time to call time on it and UKIP will in fac MUST do it!!
Well done guys and the very best for coming elections. The troika of old parties are consumed by furthering the great EU con social engineering project of rendering us mere guinea pigs in creation by stealth of the United States of Europe. They have handed over control of our borders and our courts to the EU already plus we learn that after 17 years without finding anyone to sign off the books the EU estimates that £4billion of our cash is lost every year in fraud. It time to call time on it and UKIP will in fac MUST do it!! Carribean
  • Score: 0

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