Relatives of King Richard III seek to overturn ruling and have him buried in York

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FIFTEEN living relatives of King Richard III, whose body was unearthed from a council car park last year, have launched a bid to have him buried in the North.

Archaeologists from the University of Leicester were granted permission to excavate the car park in Leicester city centre and to decide where the bones should be reburied by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).

Under the terms of the licence to dig up the remains, the university has decided Richard - killed at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485 - should be re-interred at Leicester Cathedral.

Plans are being made for the re-interment in the cathedral next year along with designs for the kings tomb.

But campaigners have argued that the king himself would have wanted to be put to rest at York Minster and that the remains should be moved to the city.

The MoJ has said it is the University of Leicester's decision to make as they had been granted permission to exhume the monarch.

Now the Plantagenet Alliance, made up of 15 living relatives of the monarch, has announced it is to challenge the MoJ's decision to grant the licence to Leicester University.

An application for judicial review is to be lodged by lawyers on behalf of the group, who are seeking to have the remains reburied in York.

Experts from law firm Gordons, based in Leeds, say the relatives will argue that the Ministry of Justice failed to consult with them over the terms of the licence and that such failure constitutes a breach of Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (the right to respect for private and family life).

Matthew Howarth, the partner leading the Gordons team, said: "We have now written officially to the Ministry of Justice and University of Leicester, notifying them that we plan to issue these claims.

"We will follow up by issuing the judicial review and other proceedings as soon as possible, but certainly within the next few weeks."

Stephen Nicolay, a 16th great-nephew of the monarch and member of the Plantagenet Alliance, said: "We have every hope that (we) will succeed in ... our quest to have Richards remains buried at the most appropriate site, York Minster."

King Richard grew up at Middleham Castle in the Yorkshire Dales and visited York several times during his 26-month reign.

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7:17pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Voice-of-reality says...

What utter nonsense. The man is dead - he has been for over 500 years - if one follows the logic of his 'having a private life' it would imply that he should have been left where he was - in the ground. The precedence for burying near to the site of burial is clear. Moreover, had the monastery stood the test of time there would not be calls for him to be dug up and moved to York.
Are there not better things to be campaigning for - and if the relatives are so worried as to his remains - what donation are they making to the costs of returning their 'beloved'.
Attention seeking nonsense
What utter nonsense. The man is dead - he has been for over 500 years - if one follows the logic of his 'having a private life' it would imply that he should have been left where he was - in the ground. The precedence for burying near to the site of burial is clear. Moreover, had the monastery stood the test of time there would not be calls for him to be dug up and moved to York. Are there not better things to be campaigning for - and if the relatives are so worried as to his remains - what donation are they making to the costs of returning their 'beloved'. Attention seeking nonsense Voice-of-reality

7:34pm Tue 26 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

Richard stated during his lifetime his wish to be buried in York,what is rubbish about that?
Richard stated during his lifetime his wish to be buried in York,what is rubbish about that? argo2013

7:38pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Voice-of-reality says...

I'm sure he also stated that he wanted to be King for several decades - just because you ask for something in life doesn't mean you'll get it. Moreover, to the victor goes the spoils and the decisions.
I'm sure he also stated that he wanted to be King for several decades - just because you ask for something in life doesn't mean you'll get it. Moreover, to the victor goes the spoils and the decisions. Voice-of-reality

8:50pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Longbowman666 says...

The evidence doesn't support Richard III as ever having actually specified where he wished to be buried, however in deference to his religion (and the religion of England at the time) he should be re-buried with a catholic service, not a C/E one (Church of England only coming into being with Henry VIII after his split with Rome)

However, both cities have an eye to the tourists in this - strange that Leicester had got everythig ready for a museum to him even before the bones had been identified as Richard!

And if anywhere should have a claim to him, it surely should be Middleham, which is noted as the place he spent his happiest times in and clearly regarded as his home.
The evidence doesn't support Richard III as ever having actually specified where he wished to be buried, however in deference to his religion (and the religion of England at the time) he should be re-buried with a catholic service, not a C/E one (Church of England only coming into being with Henry VIII after his split with Rome) However, both cities have an eye to the tourists in this - strange that Leicester had got everythig ready for a museum to him even before the bones had been identified as Richard! And if anywhere should have a claim to him, it surely should be Middleham, which is noted as the place he spent his happiest times in and clearly regarded as his home. Longbowman666

8:59pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Though of the House of York he was Duke of Gloucester - therefore, from a civic point of view would not Gloucester have more of a claim than Middleham. Agreed, however, on the nature of the Church. St Margaret's Leicester is more in tact - from a late mediaeval viewpoint.
Though of the House of York he was Duke of Gloucester - therefore, from a civic point of view would not Gloucester have more of a claim than Middleham. Agreed, however, on the nature of the Church. St Margaret's Leicester is more in tact - from a late mediaeval viewpoint. Voice-of-reality

9:49pm Tue 26 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

It's still a fact that he stated in writing ,where he wanted to be buried,Gloucester did not have a claim on him just because he was Duke,VOR, you are talking long winded rubbish as usual.
It's still a fact that he stated in writing ,where he wanted to be buried,Gloucester did not have a claim on him just because he was Duke,VOR, you are talking long winded rubbish as usual. argo2013

9:50pm Tue 26 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

It's still a fact that he stated in writing ,where he wanted to be buried,Gloucester did not have a claim on him just because he was Duke,VOR, you are talking long winded rubbish as usual.
It's still a fact that he stated in writing ,where he wanted to be buried,Gloucester did not have a claim on him just because he was Duke,VOR, you are talking long winded rubbish as usual. argo2013

10:00pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Tense, dear boy, tense.
Tense, dear boy, tense. Voice-of-reality

10:35pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Stocko says...

Surely along with many other Kings he should be buried in Westminster Abbey - and also be re-united with his wife Anne who is buried there.
Surely along with many other Kings he should be buried in Westminster Abbey - and also be re-united with his wife Anne who is buried there. Stocko

9:53am Wed 27 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

VOR , i,m always calm,despite the style of my writing,some people think they are intellectual,but just spout rubbish, and are difficult to debate with.
VOR , i,m always calm,despite the style of my writing,some people think they are intellectual,but just spout rubbish, and are difficult to debate with. argo2013

11:28am Wed 27 Mar 13

Chunter says...

Plantagenet Alliance? It sounds to me like an obscure insurance company.
Plantagenet Alliance? It sounds to me like an obscure insurance company. Chunter

12:21pm Wed 27 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

Yes they cover you from the cradle to a car park in Leicester!!
Yes they cover you from the cradle to a car park in Leicester!! argo2013

12:59pm Wed 27 Mar 13

Longbowman666 says...

As a point of fact, Richard did not ever put his wishes into writing. The claim of his wishing to be buried in York comes mainly from 2 sources, often quoted by some academics as 'proof' of the theory:

Firstly, Richard was an able Viceroy for his brother, and governed the North of England very well for over ten years. He managed to turn York from a Lancastrian base into a Yorkist one. The City Records show how much he was appreciated because once his death at Bosworth was known, they took the big risk under a new, somewhat unknown king, of saying '...today was our good King Richard, late mercifully reigning over us... piteously slain and murdered to the great heaviness of this city....'

Secondly, Richard made plans for a chantry chapel in the Minster, with 6 altars and 100 priests. Chantry chapels were places where prayers for the dead could be said regularly. People have taken this to mean he intended to be buried there with his family, but there is no proof of that and Richard set up chantry chapels in a number of places associated with him, although they weren't as large as the proposed one at York

However, there are no surviving records of his wishes other than the assumptions drawn from the above. Ask any who claim that this isn't the case and see how they squirm when you ask for his wishes 'in writing', as no such writings exist.

I do think perhaps there is a good point to be made about Westminster Abbey, along with his wife, would seem to be a better choice than all of them, and at least his bones could rest in peace!
As a point of fact, Richard did not ever put his wishes into writing. The claim of his wishing to be buried in York comes mainly from 2 sources, often quoted by some academics as 'proof' of the theory: Firstly, Richard was an able Viceroy for his brother, and governed the North of England very well for over ten years. He managed to turn York from a Lancastrian base into a Yorkist one. The City Records show how much he was appreciated because once his death at Bosworth was known, they took the big risk under a new, somewhat unknown king, of saying '...today was our good King Richard, late mercifully reigning over us... piteously slain and murdered to the great heaviness of this city....' Secondly, Richard made plans for a chantry chapel in the Minster, with 6 altars and 100 priests. Chantry chapels were places where prayers for the dead could be said regularly. People have taken this to mean he intended to be buried there with his family, but there is no proof of that and Richard set up chantry chapels in a number of places associated with him, although they weren't as large as the proposed one at York However, there are no surviving records of his wishes other than the assumptions drawn from the above. Ask any who claim that this isn't the case and see how they squirm when you ask for his wishes 'in writing', as no such writings exist. I do think perhaps there is a good point to be made about Westminster Abbey, along with his wife, would seem to be a better choice than all of them, and at least his bones could rest in peace! Longbowman666

4:59pm Mon 1 Apr 13

Copley23 says...

argo2013 wrote:
VOR , i,m always calm,despite the style of my writing,some people think they are intellectual,but just spout rubbish, and are difficult to debate with.
Argo2013. Sorry to be a party pooper for you, but I too find your style actually quite hard....although I often see your reasoning.
But please don't take any offence, there is really none meant...you are on here more than most and would generally seem to know who you are talking too with some familiarity......but it does make it quite tricky to debate with you sometimes.
I find non-capitals and punctuation really helpful AND NOT DESCRIBING OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS AS 'LONG WINDED RUBBISH'.
See, bet you thought I was cross there...... :-) Happy Easter to you.
[quote][p][bold]argo2013[/bold] wrote: VOR , i,m always calm,despite the style of my writing,some people think they are intellectual,but just spout rubbish, and are difficult to debate with.[/p][/quote]Argo2013. Sorry to be a party pooper for you, but I too find your style actually quite hard....although I often see your reasoning. But please don't take any offence, there is really none meant...you are on here more than most and would generally seem to know who you are talking too with some familiarity......but it does make it quite tricky to debate with you sometimes. I find non-capitals and punctuation really helpful AND NOT DESCRIBING OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS AS 'LONG WINDED RUBBISH'. See, bet you thought I was cross there...... :-) Happy Easter to you. Copley23

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