Quakers lose FA appeal over drop into Northern League

1:46pm Thursday 21st June 2012 in Darlington FC News Photograph of the Author By Joe Willis, Regional Chief Reporter

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THE Quakers have lost their appeal to the Football Association (FA) over its decision to place the club in the Northern League.

The ruling means the club will be prevented from playing in national FA competitions next season and must now change its name.

The club’s new owners, Darlington FC 1883, had hoped football bosses would allow the Quakers to play in either the Evo-Stik League Northern Premier or Division One next season.

But by rejecting the appeal, the FA is ratifying its decision to treat Darlington FC as a new club.

Laura Drew, from DFC 1883, said board members were "bitterly disappointed by the decision".

She added: "We feel we had a strong case and to be honest I am gob-smacked that the appeal was unsuccessful. The appeal panel upheld the original decision and will not recognise the football club as a continuation of the football club that completed last season.

"This is a position that we heavily dispute but we have to accept where we are and fight back from here. I am Darlington fan first and foremost and this hurts badly, but I know there is a future and we need to focus on that now." Denis Pinnegar, DFC 1883 chairman, said: "This is not the outcome that either the fans or the interim board wanted, but at least we now know where we are and what needs done to get this club back to where it belongs.

"I know there is nothing else that could have been done in order to get the result of the appeal changed, the FA have decided that we are to be viewed as new club and as much as we can challenge that and argue the case we have to now accept that.

"There has been a lot of uncertainty around this club in recent times, and the fans deserve better. Its our job now to work with the fans, get the fans to back the club and get the club back playing in Darlington and at the highest level we can, as soon as we can."

Craig McKenna, project director, stated: "It is the fans that I feel for, they deserve better than this and they have been let down by Mr Singh.

"It is the fans club now and if that is the only positive thing to come out of this then it is a positive thing well worth having."

Martin Gray, team manager said "When I took this role I knew the club had been placed at level5 and as disappointing as this the appeal outcome is, it doesn't change the fact that we have a job to do and we will do it."

Although DFC 1883 said before the hearing that it was unable to discuss the grounds for the appeal in detail, project manager Craig McKenna confirmed there had been input from the police.

It is believed they are concerned that some Northern League grounds could have difficulty coping with the potential volume of Darlington fans next season.

It is understood DFC 1883 is also arguing that it has done all it can to ensure the club’s former players have been paid the money they were owed.

Comments (102)

2:01pm Thu 21 Jun 12

no1quaker says...

Well that's that.

Perhaps we can concentrate on winning this league now.

Roll on the new season and 'Up The Quakers'
Well that's that. Perhaps we can concentrate on winning this league now. Roll on the new season and 'Up The Quakers' no1quaker

2:22pm Thu 21 Jun 12

the greek says...

The club is were it belongs mr vinnegar lol.
The club is were it belongs mr vinnegar lol. the greek

2:53pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

As I have said all along its a new Club, there was no doubt about this once a CVA could not be completed.

This being the case is the club still bound to honour all the debts, was the new club the 1883 CIC or Darlington FC 1883 on the application.

The debt level could hamper the way forward and I know this is not the best thing to do but is there no way these debts can be removed from the New club.
I believe I know a way it can be done but it comes down to how you feel about honouring the previous debts, as this is no longer a requirement.

So what is the new club name, any decision on this yet?
As I have said all along its a new Club, there was no doubt about this once a CVA could not be completed. This being the case is the club still bound to honour all the debts, was the new club the 1883 CIC or Darlington FC 1883 on the application. The debt level could hamper the way forward and I know this is not the best thing to do but is there no way these debts can be removed from the New club. I believe I know a way it can be done but it comes down to how you feel about honouring the previous debts, as this is no longer a requirement. So what is the new club name, any decision on this yet? morgan1

3:01pm Thu 21 Jun 12

no1quaker says...

the greek wrote:
The club is were it belongs mr vinnegar lol.
for the good of the club, if you got nowt good to say, say nowt at all.
[quote][p][bold]the greek[/bold] wrote: The club is were it belongs mr vinnegar lol.[/p][/quote]for the good of the club, if you got nowt good to say, say nowt at all. no1quaker

3:19pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

With the deepest respect to all in the 1883 interim board, your emotion has clouded your judgement and although I believe RAJ was a major factor in the demise of the club, once a CVA could not be completed a new club was inevitiable and you should have known or sort legal verification of this being the case.

I can only hope that you have sort ways to protect the assets of the old club and the current situation on the basis of this outcome.

Given all the assurances publically by the interim board and the project manager about it being retained as 'Darlington FC' ,I am not surprised but personally dissapointed and a somewhat annoyed.

There is one saving grace in all of this and that is the following:-

The 'Quakers' survives regardless of the actual club name and this is where the support will be maintained and is where its history is retained.
I would therefore suggest that this is protected at all cost from ever being put in danger of being lost regardless of the new club structure or future name.
With the deepest respect to all in the 1883 interim board, your emotion has clouded your judgement and although I believe RAJ was a major factor in the demise of the club, once a CVA could not be completed a new club was inevitiable and you should have known or sort legal verification of this being the case. I can only hope that you have sort ways to protect the assets of the old club and the current situation on the basis of this outcome. Given all the assurances publically by the interim board and the project manager about it being retained as 'Darlington FC' ,I am not surprised but personally dissapointed and a somewhat annoyed. There is one saving grace in all of this and that is the following:- The 'Quakers' survives regardless of the actual club name and this is where the support will be maintained and is where its history is retained. I would therefore suggest that this is protected at all cost from ever being put in danger of being lost regardless of the new club structure or future name. morgan1

3:29pm Thu 21 Jun 12

the-big-yin says...

lol...told you all this 10 weeks ago..northern league it is........no f.a. cup...lol...durham minor cup it is for you.....crook and district league are looking for entrants into their cup competions....better players in that league as well....hip hip hurrah!!!!!
lol...told you all this 10 weeks ago..northern league it is........no f.a. cup...lol...durham minor cup it is for you.....crook and district league are looking for entrants into their cup competions....better players in that league as well....hip hip hurrah!!!!! the-big-yin

3:54pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Trademarque says...

A 27 year rollercoaster and it has come to this. I never thought that with my love for alcohol i would outlive my footy club, the only thing i ever loved. We knew it was inevitable but it still hurts nonetheless.

Reading the article just makes you want to walk away and free yourself as you know in your heart of hearts thats its not really darlo, but then you think of the history and the battle for Quakers' survival and you know that you won't be able to cos its in your blood.
However, if 1883 is in the title of the new club then i'm gonna start supporting Swindon Town.
A 27 year rollercoaster and it has come to this. I never thought that with my love for alcohol i would outlive my footy club, the only thing i ever loved. We knew it was inevitable but it still hurts nonetheless. Reading the article just makes you want to walk away and free yourself as you know in your heart of hearts thats its not really darlo, but then you think of the history and the battle for Quakers' survival and you know that you won't be able to cos its in your blood. However, if 1883 is in the title of the new club then i'm gonna start supporting Swindon Town. Trademarque

4:02pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
With the deepest respect to all in the 1883 interim board, your emotion has clouded your judgement and although I believe RAJ was a major factor in the demise of the club, once a CVA could not be completed a new club was inevitiable and you should have known or sort legal verification of this being the case.

I can only hope that you have sort ways to protect the assets of the old club and the current situation on the basis of this outcome.

Given all the assurances publically by the interim board and the project manager about it being retained as 'Darlington FC' ,I am not surprised but personally dissapointed and a somewhat annoyed.

There is one saving grace in all of this and that is the following:-

The 'Quakers' survives regardless of the actual club name and this is where the support will be maintained and is where its history is retained.
I would therefore suggest that this is protected at all cost from ever being put in danger of being lost regardless of the new club structure or future name.
Should have known? Jesus... Are you for real? How could they have known that this was going to happen? How could they have known that RS would say no to a CVA, despite saying on live radio that he would agree. How could they have known that RS would not transfer the football share, again depsite saying he would?

They have done absolutely EVERYTHING they could to save this football club and all you can say is they should have known?

Sod off!
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: With the deepest respect to all in the 1883 interim board, your emotion has clouded your judgement and although I believe RAJ was a major factor in the demise of the club, once a CVA could not be completed a new club was inevitiable and you should have known or sort legal verification of this being the case. I can only hope that you have sort ways to protect the assets of the old club and the current situation on the basis of this outcome. Given all the assurances publically by the interim board and the project manager about it being retained as 'Darlington FC' ,I am not surprised but personally dissapointed and a somewhat annoyed. There is one saving grace in all of this and that is the following:- The 'Quakers' survives regardless of the actual club name and this is where the support will be maintained and is where its history is retained. I would therefore suggest that this is protected at all cost from ever being put in danger of being lost regardless of the new club structure or future name.[/p][/quote]Should have known? Jesus... Are you for real? How could they have known that this was going to happen? How could they have known that RS would say no to a CVA, despite saying on live radio that he would agree. How could they have known that RS would not transfer the football share, again depsite saying he would? They have done absolutely EVERYTHING they could to save this football club and all you can say is they should have known? Sod off! Hilly_2009

4:07pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Trademarque
I have taken a lot of stick over many issues and I guess I am about to do it again.

Please leave 'Quakers' and '1883' out of the name, the quakers so that the history can always be protected, and '1883' as if you had listened to many comments at the beginning about the CrowdCube pitch it would never have come to this and the team would still be 'Darlington FC' and in the Conference North.

The more I read the article the more I am getting annoyed about the way 1883 only wanted to go in one direction. Part of the blame should be shouldered by 1883 themselves for the outcome!!
But they still see it as a 'success' that its a fan owned club sitting in the Northern league instead of where they belong in main stream football.
Trademarque I have taken a lot of stick over many issues and I guess I am about to do it again. Please leave 'Quakers' and '1883' out of the name, the quakers so that the history can always be protected, and '1883' as if you had listened to many comments at the beginning about the CrowdCube pitch it would never have come to this and the team would still be 'Darlington FC' and in the Conference North. The more I read the article the more I am getting annoyed about the way 1883 only wanted to go in one direction. Part of the blame should be shouldered by 1883 themselves for the outcome!! But they still see it as a 'success' that its a fan owned club sitting in the Northern league instead of where they belong in main stream football. morgan1

4:13pm Thu 21 Jun 12

extratime says...

Who are these people in charge ?? how can they be gobsmacked rules were broken so take the punishment and be thankful its not wearside league as said above hearts ruling heads which you cant allow in business

Get people in who know hat they are doing not fans who havent a clue all that money wasted on what ? and Have we lost the name too no mention so bet thats a yes

Dp on radio last night when asked hiw much money needed to Aug woulnt answer WHY isnt this a commity club ??
Who are these people in charge ?? how can they be gobsmacked rules were broken so take the punishment and be thankful its not wearside league as said above hearts ruling heads which you cant allow in business Get people in who know hat they are doing not fans who havent a clue all that money wasted on what ? and Have we lost the name too no mention so bet thats a yes Dp on radio last night when asked hiw much money needed to Aug woulnt answer WHY isnt this a commity club ?? extratime

4:16pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Hilly_2009,
Wrong,
The rules are clear exit with a CVA otherwise the club is new, its a completely new legal entirty, do you know anything.

What is done is there now, and can't be undone.

Maybe this is one for a poll of the CIC members to decide the name as its there club or is it!!, Is the club Darlington FC 1883 or does the CIC 1883 only own 10%.

I make an assumption here which is never a good thing to do but if the £200K is not raised by the end of June is Darlington FC 1883 solvent.
Hilly_2009, Wrong, The rules are clear exit with a CVA otherwise the club is new, its a completely new legal entirty, do you know anything. What is done is there now, and can't be undone. Maybe this is one for a poll of the CIC members to decide the name as its there club or is it!!, Is the club Darlington FC 1883 or does the CIC 1883 only own 10%. I make an assumption here which is never a good thing to do but if the £200K is not raised by the end of June is Darlington FC 1883 solvent. morgan1

4:28pm Thu 21 Jun 12

gums says...

Morgan1, how do you propose the club could have agreed a CVA without Raj agreeing to the deal which would never have happened without £800K?
Morgan1, how do you propose the club could have agreed a CVA without Raj agreeing to the deal which would never have happened without £800K? gums

4:29pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Sick As A Pig says...

The club is where it belongs, In the depths of football's sesspit where it can try to grow again into the once great and fabulous club they once were. NAAAAA only joking, they were always crap.
The club is where it belongs, In the depths of football's sesspit where it can try to grow again into the once great and fabulous club they once were. NAAAAA only joking, they were always crap. Sick As A Pig

4:33pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Hilly_2009,
Wrong,
The rules are clear exit with a CVA otherwise the club is new, its a completely new legal entirty, do you know anything.

What is done is there now, and can't be undone.

Maybe this is one for a poll of the CIC members to decide the name as its there club or is it!!, Is the club Darlington FC 1883 or does the CIC 1883 only own 10%.

I make an assumption here which is never a good thing to do but if the £200K is not raised by the end of June is Darlington FC 1883 solvent.
I know quite a lot thanks. I know that both Leeds and Luton exitted administration as a newco without a CVA. Both were punished with points deductions - certainly not to the same extent as us.

If you honestly think that DFC1883 have seen this all as some sort of power trip I truly am lost for words.

The best thing to come out of all this is that we'll 'lose' fans like yourself. Good riddence. Close the door on your way out.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009, Wrong, The rules are clear exit with a CVA otherwise the club is new, its a completely new legal entirty, do you know anything. What is done is there now, and can't be undone. Maybe this is one for a poll of the CIC members to decide the name as its there club or is it!!, Is the club Darlington FC 1883 or does the CIC 1883 only own 10%. I make an assumption here which is never a good thing to do but if the £200K is not raised by the end of June is Darlington FC 1883 solvent.[/p][/quote]I know quite a lot thanks. I know that both Leeds and Luton exitted administration as a newco without a CVA. Both were punished with points deductions - certainly not to the same extent as us. If you honestly think that DFC1883 have seen this all as some sort of power trip I truly am lost for words. The best thing to come out of all this is that we'll 'lose' fans like yourself. Good riddence. Close the door on your way out. Hilly_2009

4:35pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Darlogirl1 says...

The fans this the fans that.....what about the Footballers,managers
,and all the people behind the scenes who worked for the club......and some one asked who is running the show now......people who have not got a clue what they are doing YAWNNNNN Move on.......
The fans this the fans that.....what about the Footballers,managers ,and all the people behind the scenes who worked for the club......and some one asked who is running the show now......people who have not got a clue what they are doing YAWNNNNN Move on....... Darlogirl1

4:36pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Gums
The CrowdCube is a great way to raise money, why did they not ask the 943 investors to increase their investment to the level to cover what was needed. It was certainly mentioned time and time again and ignored.

To be honest very dissappointed how it has all turned out and in truth there is now no point in going over old ground.

Its all too late, will have to wait and see what comes out of the situation next, suppose it depends on the 'trust' vote and the 200K target being met.
Gums The CrowdCube is a great way to raise money, why did they not ask the 943 investors to increase their investment to the level to cover what was needed. It was certainly mentioned time and time again and ignored. To be honest very dissappointed how it has all turned out and in truth there is now no point in going over old ground. Its all too late, will have to wait and see what comes out of the situation next, suppose it depends on the 'trust' vote and the 200K target being met. morgan1

4:41pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Hilly_2009
The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up.
Hilly_2009 The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up. morgan1

4:44pm Thu 21 Jun 12

60 years a quaker says...

To the people who claim to be supporters lets just stop the bickering and get behind the only Darlo we have. We are in the Northern League and that is that, so lets just get on with it and start our fight to get up the leagues as quick as we can.
If you are not a supporter of the team we now have, you can walk away but please dont slag off the people who have tried.
To the people who claim to be supporters lets just stop the bickering and get behind the only Darlo we have. We are in the Northern League and that is that, so lets just get on with it and start our fight to get up the leagues as quick as we can. If you are not a supporter of the team we now have, you can walk away but please dont slag off the people who have tried. 60 years a quaker

4:46pm Thu 21 Jun 12

craig_mckenna says...

Morgan1,
If they had gone and asked the 943 investors to increase from where they were to what was needed to a) pay off a CVA and b) cover the costs of staying at the Arena it would have meant trying to raise an amount in excess of 1.5 million. That is a huge jump from 330k and if anyone thinks that the fans would have been able to raise that especially knowing that 800k of it would be going to RS they are crazy
Morgan1, If they had gone and asked the 943 investors to increase from where they were to what was needed to a) pay off a CVA and b) cover the costs of staying at the Arena it would have meant trying to raise an amount in excess of 1.5 million. That is a huge jump from 330k and if anyone thinks that the fans would have been able to raise that especially knowing that 800k of it would be going to RS they are crazy craig_mckenna

4:49pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Gums
The CrowdCube is a great way to raise money, why did they not ask the 943 investors to increase their investment to the level to cover what was needed. It was certainly mentioned time and time again and ignored.

To be honest very dissappointed how it has all turned out and in truth there is now no point in going over old ground.

Its all too late, will have to wait and see what comes out of the situation next, suppose it depends on the 'trust' vote and the 200K target being met.
Do you actually have any idea what your talking about? Your making wild assumptions without being in full knowledge of the facts and that makes you look very silly, yet your quite happy to argue your case and leave comments on here like its fact! Have you actually got anything to back up your outlandish claims or do you like being a troll? I`m seriously fed up of folk like you, there are many people working on behalf of the club and not just the 1883 interim board, stop belittling them
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Gums The CrowdCube is a great way to raise money, why did they not ask the 943 investors to increase their investment to the level to cover what was needed. It was certainly mentioned time and time again and ignored. To be honest very dissappointed how it has all turned out and in truth there is now no point in going over old ground. Its all too late, will have to wait and see what comes out of the situation next, suppose it depends on the 'trust' vote and the 200K target being met.[/p][/quote]Do you actually have any idea what your talking about? Your making wild assumptions without being in full knowledge of the facts and that makes you look very silly, yet your quite happy to argue your case and leave comments on here like its fact! Have you actually got anything to back up your outlandish claims or do you like being a troll? I`m seriously fed up of folk like you, there are many people working on behalf of the club and not just the 1883 interim board, stop belittling them charlie74

4:52pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Hilly_2009
The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up.
Wrong. The club does NOT need fans like you.

I've been reading these comment sections over the last couple of months with intrigue and all you have done is snipe, belittle and mock those who have put in a hell of a lot of effort to try and save the club. The club I, you, and plenty of others hold very dear in our hearts.

Why should the club need fans like you? The club needs fans who realise what the club now is... a fans club, run for the fans, by the fans.

They need fans to support the club not only financially, but with their hard work and effort. I can hold my head high knowing that I have done just that. Have you? Don't think so. Plenty of others have, but not you...

Have you sold scarves outside of the stadium freezing your **** off? Have you arranged quiz nights in the Dolphin centre? Have you dangled 60 feet in the air from a rope as you abseil down the stadium? Have you arranged 'Battle of the Bands' nights? The list is endless. These people are the sort we need, not you.

Now I return to my previous sentiment.... SOD OFF!
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009 The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up.[/p][/quote]Wrong. The club does NOT need fans like you. I've been reading these comment sections over the last couple of months with intrigue and all you have done is snipe, belittle and mock those who have put in a hell of a lot of effort to try and save the club. The club I, you, and plenty of others hold very dear in our hearts. Why should the club need fans like you? The club needs fans who realise what the club now is... a fans club, run for the fans, by the fans. They need fans to support the club not only financially, but with their hard work and effort. I can hold my head high knowing that I have done just that. Have you? Don't think so. Plenty of others have, but not you... Have you sold scarves outside of the stadium freezing your **** off? Have you arranged quiz nights in the Dolphin centre? Have you dangled 60 feet in the air from a rope as you abseil down the stadium? Have you arranged 'Battle of the Bands' nights? The list is endless. These people are the sort we need, not you. Now I return to my previous sentiment.... SOD OFF! Hilly_2009

4:54pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Sick As A Pig says...

Hilly_2009 wrote:
morgan1 wrote:
Hilly_2009
The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up.
Wrong. The club does NOT need fans like you.

I've been reading these comment sections over the last couple of months with intrigue and all you have done is snipe, belittle and mock those who have put in a hell of a lot of effort to try and save the club. The club I, you, and plenty of others hold very dear in our hearts.

Why should the club need fans like you? The club needs fans who realise what the club now is... a fans club, run for the fans, by the fans.

They need fans to support the club not only financially, but with their hard work and effort. I can hold my head high knowing that I have done just that. Have you? Don't think so. Plenty of others have, but not you...

Have you sold scarves outside of the stadium freezing your **** off? Have you arranged quiz nights in the Dolphin centre? Have you dangled 60 feet in the air from a rope as you abseil down the stadium? Have you arranged 'Battle of the Bands' nights? The list is endless. These people are the sort we need, not you.

Now I return to my previous sentiment.... SOD OFF!
Wow, someone's a little touchy lol.
[quote][p][bold]Hilly_2009[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009 The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up.[/p][/quote]Wrong. The club does NOT need fans like you. I've been reading these comment sections over the last couple of months with intrigue and all you have done is snipe, belittle and mock those who have put in a hell of a lot of effort to try and save the club. The club I, you, and plenty of others hold very dear in our hearts. Why should the club need fans like you? The club needs fans who realise what the club now is... a fans club, run for the fans, by the fans. They need fans to support the club not only financially, but with their hard work and effort. I can hold my head high knowing that I have done just that. Have you? Don't think so. Plenty of others have, but not you... Have you sold scarves outside of the stadium freezing your **** off? Have you arranged quiz nights in the Dolphin centre? Have you dangled 60 feet in the air from a rope as you abseil down the stadium? Have you arranged 'Battle of the Bands' nights? The list is endless. These people are the sort we need, not you. Now I return to my previous sentiment.... SOD OFF![/p][/quote]Wow, someone's a little touchy lol. Sick As A Pig

4:55pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

60 years a quaker
People have tried and mistakes have been made and the consequences are where we are now.

I guess we are Club 24 in the northern league at the moment obviously we are not 'Darlington FC' and we have been told that we need a new name but does that affect 'Darlington FC 1883' which is the team currently showing in the Northern League fixture list.

Is there sufficient difference in this name or does this also have to change, it was not clear in the article. Guess we shall know shortly as to whether we are actually Darlo or not.
60 years a quaker People have tried and mistakes have been made and the consequences are where we are now. I guess we are Club 24 in the northern league at the moment obviously we are not 'Darlington FC' and we have been told that we need a new name but does that affect 'Darlington FC 1883' which is the team currently showing in the Northern League fixture list. Is there sufficient difference in this name or does this also have to change, it was not clear in the article. Guess we shall know shortly as to whether we are actually Darlo or not. morgan1

4:56pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Sick As A Pig wrote:
Hilly_2009 wrote:
morgan1 wrote:
Hilly_2009
The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up.
Wrong. The club does NOT need fans like you.

I've been reading these comment sections over the last couple of months with intrigue and all you have done is snipe, belittle and mock those who have put in a hell of a lot of effort to try and save the club. The club I, you, and plenty of others hold very dear in our hearts.

Why should the club need fans like you? The club needs fans who realise what the club now is... a fans club, run for the fans, by the fans.

They need fans to support the club not only financially, but with their hard work and effort. I can hold my head high knowing that I have done just that. Have you? Don't think so. Plenty of others have, but not you...

Have you sold scarves outside of the stadium freezing your **** off? Have you arranged quiz nights in the Dolphin centre? Have you dangled 60 feet in the air from a rope as you abseil down the stadium? Have you arranged 'Battle of the Bands' nights? The list is endless. These people are the sort we need, not you.

Now I return to my previous sentiment.... SOD OFF!
Wow, someone's a little touchy lol.
Not suprisingly really
[quote][p][bold]Sick As A Pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hilly_2009[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009 The club will need fans like me, if it is ever to progress from the Northern league, obviously you ignorant and abusive, maybe you should go and learn some manners or grow up.[/p][/quote]Wrong. The club does NOT need fans like you. I've been reading these comment sections over the last couple of months with intrigue and all you have done is snipe, belittle and mock those who have put in a hell of a lot of effort to try and save the club. The club I, you, and plenty of others hold very dear in our hearts. Why should the club need fans like you? The club needs fans who realise what the club now is... a fans club, run for the fans, by the fans. They need fans to support the club not only financially, but with their hard work and effort. I can hold my head high knowing that I have done just that. Have you? Don't think so. Plenty of others have, but not you... Have you sold scarves outside of the stadium freezing your **** off? Have you arranged quiz nights in the Dolphin centre? Have you dangled 60 feet in the air from a rope as you abseil down the stadium? Have you arranged 'Battle of the Bands' nights? The list is endless. These people are the sort we need, not you. Now I return to my previous sentiment.... SOD OFF![/p][/quote]Wow, someone's a little touchy lol.[/p][/quote]Not suprisingly really charlie74

4:58pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Ugh says...

Sod off Morgan
Sod off Morgan Ugh

5:13pm Thu 21 Jun 12

al_quaker says...

morgan1 wrote:
Gums
The CrowdCube is a great way to raise money, why did they not ask the 943 investors to increase their investment to the level to cover what was needed. It was certainly mentioned time and time again and ignored.

To be honest very dissappointed how it has all turned out and in truth there is now no point in going over old ground.

Its all too late, will have to wait and see what comes out of the situation next, suppose it depends on the 'trust' vote and the 200K target being met.
You can't seriously believe that those who invested in crowdcube would have been able to cover the full debt!?

Admit it, you are just on a wind up aren't you?

Anyway, I'm puzzled by the inconsistencies of the FA's decisions. They treat us like a new club, yet allow us to play this season?

It's done now I suppose. Time to try and build the club back up. Darlington FC has been killed by a few. Time for the fans to rebuild it.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Gums The CrowdCube is a great way to raise money, why did they not ask the 943 investors to increase their investment to the level to cover what was needed. It was certainly mentioned time and time again and ignored. To be honest very dissappointed how it has all turned out and in truth there is now no point in going over old ground. Its all too late, will have to wait and see what comes out of the situation next, suppose it depends on the 'trust' vote and the 200K target being met.[/p][/quote]You can't seriously believe that those who invested in crowdcube would have been able to cover the full debt!? Admit it, you are just on a wind up aren't you? Anyway, I'm puzzled by the inconsistencies of the FA's decisions. They treat us like a new club, yet allow us to play this season? It's done now I suppose. Time to try and build the club back up. Darlington FC has been killed by a few. Time for the fans to rebuild it. al_quaker

5:18pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Craig
You never asked so you will never know, to get a CVA I certainly would have gone a lot further multi thousands if I had been asked.
Obviously, some fans dont like my comments but I bet they would like my money.
For now I will wait and watch to see what takes shape in the coming months we can only hope that success follows the direction taken.

Whilst you are reading the articles was the name 'Darlington FC 1883' sufficiently different and acceptable to the FA or not.
Craig You never asked so you will never know, to get a CVA I certainly would have gone a lot further multi thousands if I had been asked. Obviously, some fans dont like my comments but I bet they would like my money. For now I will wait and watch to see what takes shape in the coming months we can only hope that success follows the direction taken. Whilst you are reading the articles was the name 'Darlington FC 1883' sufficiently different and acceptable to the FA or not. morgan1

5:23pm Thu 21 Jun 12

craig_mckenna says...

morgan1 wrote:
Craig
You never asked so you will never know, to get a CVA I certainly would have gone a lot further multi thousands if I had been asked.
Obviously, some fans dont like my comments but I bet they would like my money.
For now I will wait and watch to see what takes shape in the coming months we can only hope that success follows the direction taken.

Whilst you are reading the articles was the name 'Darlington FC 1883' sufficiently different and acceptable to the FA or not.
There wasn't anywhere near enough time to ask. Up until 16 hours before the purchase had to be completed there was an understanding that a CVA had been agreed with RS and that we had enough money at 330k to meet that. Once he pulled back on that agreement we had no time to try and go for 1.5mill.
We didn't propose any names today, it wasn't the forum for that. We need to see what the fans would like and go from there
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Craig You never asked so you will never know, to get a CVA I certainly would have gone a lot further multi thousands if I had been asked. Obviously, some fans dont like my comments but I bet they would like my money. For now I will wait and watch to see what takes shape in the coming months we can only hope that success follows the direction taken. Whilst you are reading the articles was the name 'Darlington FC 1883' sufficiently different and acceptable to the FA or not.[/p][/quote]There wasn't anywhere near enough time to ask. Up until 16 hours before the purchase had to be completed there was an understanding that a CVA had been agreed with RS and that we had enough money at 330k to meet that. Once he pulled back on that agreement we had no time to try and go for 1.5mill. We didn't propose any names today, it wasn't the forum for that. We need to see what the fans would like and go from there craig_mckenna

5:25pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Ugh says...

Morgan1 Sod off
Morgan1 Sod off Ugh

5:27pm Thu 21 Jun 12

stiv says...

About time we had a new club badge as well. as for a name change, how about darlington and skerne park athletic? seriously it needs to be A.F.C Darlington then at least we can come top of any league alphabetically.
About time we had a new club badge as well. as for a name change, how about darlington and skerne park athletic? seriously it needs to be A.F.C Darlington then at least we can come top of any league alphabetically. stiv

5:28pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Ugh
Get a grip.

Craig
On the main news page there are now names being proposed for the club is this just the NE or are you Guys in the loop.
Ugh Get a grip. Craig On the main news page there are now names being proposed for the club is this just the NE or are you Guys in the loop. morgan1

5:34pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

stiv
Like your thinking but you really got to get their on merit.
stiv Like your thinking but you really got to get their on merit. morgan1

5:37pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Ugh says...

morgan1 wrote:
Ugh Get a grip. Craig On the main news page there are now names being proposed for the club is this just the NE or are you Guys in the loop.
Sod off
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Ugh Get a grip. Craig On the main news page there are now names being proposed for the club is this just the NE or are you Guys in the loop.[/p][/quote]Sod off Ugh

5:44pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Ugh
You do this site and your personal attitude no favours if all you can comment is abuse.
Ugh You do this site and your personal attitude no favours if all you can comment is abuse. morgan1

5:46pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Craig
You never asked so you will never know, to get a CVA I certainly would have gone a lot further multi thousands if I had been asked.
Obviously, some fans dont like my comments but I bet they would like my money.
For now I will wait and watch to see what takes shape in the coming months we can only hope that success follows the direction taken.

Whilst you are reading the articles was the name 'Darlington FC 1883' sufficiently different and acceptable to the FA or not.
Darlington 1883 couldnt of `asked` you, potential share holders cannot legally be enticed personally, they need to approach themselves as FSA regulations state
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Craig You never asked so you will never know, to get a CVA I certainly would have gone a lot further multi thousands if I had been asked. Obviously, some fans dont like my comments but I bet they would like my money. For now I will wait and watch to see what takes shape in the coming months we can only hope that success follows the direction taken. Whilst you are reading the articles was the name 'Darlington FC 1883' sufficiently different and acceptable to the FA or not.[/p][/quote]Darlington 1883 couldnt of `asked` you, potential share holders cannot legally be enticed personally, they need to approach themselves as FSA regulations state charlie74

5:48pm Thu 21 Jun 12

monteforte says...

morgan 1, Is entitled to make comments like everyone else .His view that it's now a new club is correct and in fairness he said this months ago..! We do need people like morgan1 on board if not the club becomes a "Closed Shop".
We are now placed in Northern League that has big spending clubs and the highest standard by far so for a new club it's going to be hard especially playing out of town!
We can't afford anymore mistakes...
A big TY for "behind the scenes" volunteers helping the club...
morgan 1, Is entitled to make comments like everyone else .His view that it's now a new club is correct and in fairness he said this months ago..! We do need people like morgan1 on board if not the club becomes a "Closed Shop". We are now placed in Northern League that has big spending clubs and the highest standard by far so for a new club it's going to be hard especially playing out of town! We can't afford anymore mistakes... A big TY for "behind the scenes" volunteers helping the club... monteforte

5:58pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Charlie74
Thanks for that outlook, I think at the time it was suggested that questions be raised by polls such as the current 'name poll' to gain a consensous of opinion, which may have been enough to encourage people.
I guess water under the bridge right now I suppose it will now depend on how they propose to raise more finance if required, as the CIC only grows over time but there is at least 6 years to grow this aspect.
Charlie74 Thanks for that outlook, I think at the time it was suggested that questions be raised by polls such as the current 'name poll' to gain a consensous of opinion, which may have been enough to encourage people. I guess water under the bridge right now I suppose it will now depend on how they propose to raise more finance if required, as the CIC only grows over time but there is at least 6 years to grow this aspect. morgan1

6:12pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Morgan, this hasnt been an easy ride for the current interim board, a lot of hard work time and effort has gone into this. Its been far from perfect but sometimes time has been of the essence and we are now where we are.
The good thing that has come out of this is that we are now in control of our future and past chairman cant hurt us no more.
We need to move on and build for the future `build Darlo`
The bickering on here needs to stop, we the supporters of our club need to get behind this and support in any way we can, whether that be investing, attending games, buying season tickets, fundraising etc etc etc. Come the summer we also get to vote a board in on 1883.
Morgan, this hasnt been an easy ride for the current interim board, a lot of hard work time and effort has gone into this. Its been far from perfect but sometimes time has been of the essence and we are now where we are. The good thing that has come out of this is that we are now in control of our future and past chairman cant hurt us no more. We need to move on and build for the future `build Darlo` The bickering on here needs to stop, we the supporters of our club need to get behind this and support in any way we can, whether that be investing, attending games, buying season tickets, fundraising etc etc etc. Come the summer we also get to vote a board in on 1883. charlie74

6:22pm Thu 21 Jun 12

monteforte says...

craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash!
This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...
craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash! This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction... monteforte

6:24pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Liamsm says...

Look forward to I and stop arguing amongst yourselves.......not ideal I know but it will be fun! And it will be the best atmosphere since the club left Feethams! And I will be playing against them next season......never in my life did I think that i Would b playing in the same league as darlo!
Look forward to I and stop arguing amongst yourselves.......not ideal I know but it will be fun! And it will be the best atmosphere since the club left Feethams! And I will be playing against them next season......never in my life did I think that i Would b playing in the same league as darlo! Liamsm

6:27pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

monteforte wrote:
craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash!
This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...
I think that was uncalled for in more ways than one.
[quote][p][bold]monteforte[/bold] wrote: craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash! This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...[/p][/quote]I think that was uncalled for in more ways than one. charlie74

6:32pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Ugh says...

morgan1 wrote:
Ugh You do this site and your personal attitude no favours if all you can comment is abuse.
You and your uninformed ramblings make me laugh. However, I can do without that so sod off
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Ugh You do this site and your personal attitude no favours if all you can comment is abuse.[/p][/quote]You and your uninformed ramblings make me laugh. However, I can do without that so sod off Ugh

6:39pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

monteforte wrote:
craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash!
This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...
And I suppose you will be putting yourself forward for the role will you?

Yeah thought as much. You can sod off too.
[quote][p][bold]monteforte[/bold] wrote: craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash! This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...[/p][/quote]And I suppose you will be putting yourself forward for the role will you? Yeah thought as much. You can sod off too. Hilly_2009

6:44pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Charlie74,
Yes, I agree with where we are now, it is difficult to accept.

I have seen a lot of issues with company ownership in the past and it is something which must be absolutely clear from the beginning and at this point it is not fully clear who owns the shares of 1883 and whether the 'old club' assets reside with the CIC or 1883.

Hopefully this matter will be made clear by the interim board in the coming weeks.
Charlie74, Yes, I agree with where we are now, it is difficult to accept. I have seen a lot of issues with company ownership in the past and it is something which must be absolutely clear from the beginning and at this point it is not fully clear who owns the shares of 1883 and whether the 'old club' assets reside with the CIC or 1883. Hopefully this matter will be made clear by the interim board in the coming weeks. morgan1

6:44pm Thu 21 Jun 12

al_quaker says...

monteforte wrote:
craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash!
This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...
I look forward to reading your manifesto for the first elections onto the board. I'm sure you will be an outstanding candidate, if your contributions to this site are anything to go by......

Note:This was sarcasm.
[quote][p][bold]monteforte[/bold] wrote: craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash! This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...[/p][/quote]I look forward to reading your manifesto for the first elections onto the board. I'm sure you will be an outstanding candidate, if your contributions to this site are anything to go by...... Note:This was sarcasm. al_quaker

6:52pm Thu 21 Jun 12

monteforte says...

FAO,Hilly_2009;No because there is better out there and Craig said he's leaving come summer! You & Sue are doing great as a moderators by the way!
FAO,Hilly_2009;No because there is better out there and Craig said he's leaving come summer! You & Sue are doing great as a moderators by the way! monteforte

6:54pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation.
I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation. morgan1

6:59pm Thu 21 Jun 12

IonlySpeaktheTruth says...

Nevermind paying Craig Mckenna, have last season's players been paid in full yet???
Nevermind paying Craig Mckenna, have last season's players been paid in full yet??? IonlySpeaktheTruth

6:59pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

monteforte wrote:
FAO,Hilly_2009;No because there is better out there and Craig said he's leaving come summer! You & Sue are doing great as a moderators by the way!
Not quite sure why you`ve put my name in there? However I make no secret of the fact I`m Sue, I use just about the same usernames all over the internet depending on what the sites have available.

Craig has made no secret of the fact he`ll be leaving in the summer, but seeing as we`ll have elections in the summer for a new board then that is what you call good timing.
[quote][p][bold]monteforte[/bold] wrote: FAO,Hilly_2009;No because there is better out there and Craig said he's leaving come summer! You & Sue are doing great as a moderators by the way![/p][/quote]Not quite sure why you`ve put my name in there? However I make no secret of the fact I`m Sue, I use just about the same usernames all over the internet depending on what the sites have available. Craig has made no secret of the fact he`ll be leaving in the summer, but seeing as we`ll have elections in the summer for a new board then that is what you call good timing. charlie74

7:08pm Thu 21 Jun 12

monteforte says...

I do worry about your the intentions, motives, al_quaker I shall leave all manifestos to you and your ....,,,,,, wit!
I do worry about your the intentions, motives, al_quaker I shall leave all manifestos to you and your ....,,,,,, wit! monteforte

7:18pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Ugh says...

morgan1 wrote:
I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation.
Whereas you know everything, (not), and are happy to snipe away from the sidelines. Sod off.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation.[/p][/quote]Whereas you know everything, (not), and are happy to snipe away from the sidelines. Sod off. Ugh

7:19pm Thu 21 Jun 12

extratime says...

charlie74 wrote:
monteforte wrote:
craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash!
This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...
I think that was uncalled for in more ways than one.
Why ???

These people has spent thousands of pounds of our money on a name they can't use and to play in the northern league and like sheep everyone follows - yeah blame the FA this was nothing to do with us was it

Time for change or we have no hope whatsoever for the future -hmmm theres a name with a ring No Hopers United in the pub league that will encourage investment

or what about Darlington FC (we just tell the FA it means Fools in Charge) or Darlington CiC (Clowns in Charge) and when we get a new ground lets be done with it and call it the Big Top nice change from White Elephant
[quote][p][bold]charlie74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monteforte[/bold] wrote: craig_mckenna thank's for keeping us all fully informed and in loop as usual. when are you leaving with your well earned cash! This current DFC 1883 interim board needs to change.., The fans deserve better handling of their donations if the club is to progress in the right manner & direction...[/p][/quote]I think that was uncalled for in more ways than one.[/p][/quote]Why ??? These people has spent thousands of pounds of our money on a name they can't use and to play in the northern league and like sheep everyone follows - yeah blame the FA this was nothing to do with us was it Time for change or we have no hope whatsoever for the future -hmmm theres a name with a ring No Hopers United in the pub league that will encourage investment or what about Darlington FC (we just tell the FA it means Fools in Charge) or Darlington CiC (Clowns in Charge) and when we get a new ground lets be done with it and call it the Big Top nice change from White Elephant extratime

7:25pm Thu 21 Jun 12

bearded_ian says...

IonlySpeaktheTruth wrote:
Nevermind paying Craig Mckenna, have last season's players been paid in full yet???
They are due to be paid over the next 3 years, that was part of the deal that was brokered by 1883 and the administrator in a bid to keep the club going. This was them trying to do the right thing when the CVA collapsed.
[quote][p][bold]IonlySpeaktheTruth[/bold] wrote: Nevermind paying Craig Mckenna, have last season's players been paid in full yet???[/p][/quote]They are due to be paid over the next 3 years, that was part of the deal that was brokered by 1883 and the administrator in a bid to keep the club going. This was them trying to do the right thing when the CVA collapsed. bearded_ian

7:32pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

monteforte wrote:
FAO,Hilly_2009;No because there is better out there and Craig said he's leaving come summer! You & Sue are doing great as a moderators by the way!
Sorry, what am I supposed to be a moderator of?

Oh and Morgan, I've quite clearly said why you wouldn't be missed, you've yet to come up with a better argument other than "the club needs people like me". Still waiting to hear what you bring to the party.
[quote][p][bold]monteforte[/bold] wrote: FAO,Hilly_2009;No because there is better out there and Craig said he's leaving come summer! You & Sue are doing great as a moderators by the way![/p][/quote]Sorry, what am I supposed to be a moderator of? Oh and Morgan, I've quite clearly said why you wouldn't be missed, you've yet to come up with a better argument other than "the club needs people like me". Still waiting to hear what you bring to the party. Hilly_2009

7:39pm Thu 21 Jun 12

shoelessden says...

Darlington must not be allowed to enter Northern League Div.1.They must start at the bottom-in Division2.It is unfair to a more deserving clubs to deny them a bonus promotion place for a club with no history or track record to be parachuted into the first division.Division 2 or out!
Darlington must not be allowed to enter Northern League Div.1.They must start at the bottom-in Division2.It is unfair to a more deserving clubs to deny them a bonus promotion place for a club with no history or track record to be parachuted into the first division.Division 2 or out! shoelessden

8:01pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Hilly_2009
Over 30 yrs of business experience of new start ups, my own business and how to make them successful, I tried many times at the beginning to see whether the chosen path was correct, in my opinion it was not.

To be successful with a CIC you need a massive fan base or a fan base where each share is worth £1000+ annually, to me the mix was wrong the CrowdCube Pitch should have been different as whether you like it or not, you do need business involved.

Not all business men are like those big money men who have destroyed this club over the years but as is always the case the pendulum has swung too far, and now you are a Club staved of the vital resource 'money' and as such are destined to remain in the lower league for some considerable time.

It will only be when common sense prevails to have a balance to the club that it could succeed, by all means keep the crown jewels in the CIC, but without correct financial balance, it will be a significant struggle.

So I am sorry I have an opinion of how I would like to see the club succeed and why my simple comments should attract such aggressive abuse has made me realise that the club and its fans may simply have to suffer, until the time comes when they can accept that it was not business that caused this demise but mega ambitious money men and although I am going to get slated again the fans.

If the fans had got behind the club fully to get 5000 consistently at home games last season you would have still been there, it is now up to the fans of the CIC to encourage more fans in order to grow the CIC, so its up to people like you, so I would suggest you stop abusing them and encourage them instead for the reasons why they should support you, otherwise you will go no where.
Hilly_2009 Over 30 yrs of business experience of new start ups, my own business and how to make them successful, I tried many times at the beginning to see whether the chosen path was correct, in my opinion it was not. To be successful with a CIC you need a massive fan base or a fan base where each share is worth £1000+ annually, to me the mix was wrong the CrowdCube Pitch should have been different as whether you like it or not, you do need business involved. Not all business men are like those big money men who have destroyed this club over the years but as is always the case the pendulum has swung too far, and now you are a Club staved of the vital resource 'money' and as such are destined to remain in the lower league for some considerable time. It will only be when common sense prevails to have a balance to the club that it could succeed, by all means keep the crown jewels in the CIC, but without correct financial balance, it will be a significant struggle. So I am sorry I have an opinion of how I would like to see the club succeed and why my simple comments should attract such aggressive abuse has made me realise that the club and its fans may simply have to suffer, until the time comes when they can accept that it was not business that caused this demise but mega ambitious money men and although I am going to get slated again the fans. If the fans had got behind the club fully to get 5000 consistently at home games last season you would have still been there, it is now up to the fans of the CIC to encourage more fans in order to grow the CIC, so its up to people like you, so I would suggest you stop abusing them and encourage them instead for the reasons why they should support you, otherwise you will go no where. morgan1

8:18pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Morgan can I ask why you havnt stepped forward and offered your assistance if you feel this strongly?
Morgan can I ask why you havnt stepped forward and offered your assistance if you feel this strongly? charlie74

8:27pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Hilly_2009
Over 30 yrs of business experience of new start ups, my own business and how to make them successful, I tried many times at the beginning to see whether the chosen path was correct, in my opinion it was not.

To be successful with a CIC you need a massive fan base or a fan base where each share is worth £1000+ annually, to me the mix was wrong the CrowdCube Pitch should have been different as whether you like it or not, you do need business involved.

Not all business men are like those big money men who have destroyed this club over the years but as is always the case the pendulum has swung too far, and now you are a Club staved of the vital resource 'money' and as such are destined to remain in the lower league for some considerable time.

It will only be when common sense prevails to have a balance to the club that it could succeed, by all means keep the crown jewels in the CIC, but without correct financial balance, it will be a significant struggle.

So I am sorry I have an opinion of how I would like to see the club succeed and why my simple comments should attract such aggressive abuse has made me realise that the club and its fans may simply have to suffer, until the time comes when they can accept that it was not business that caused this demise but mega ambitious money men and although I am going to get slated again the fans.

If the fans had got behind the club fully to get 5000 consistently at home games last season you would have still been there, it is now up to the fans of the CIC to encourage more fans in order to grow the CIC, so its up to people like you, so I would suggest you stop abusing them and encourage them instead for the reasons why they should support you, otherwise you will go no where.
Excellent, so I take it the board can look forward to you offering your services in the near future.

Actually... Send me a PM over on Uncovered and Il pass your details onto the board who im sure will be delighted to have you help with various initiatives.

Look forward to hearing from you.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009 Over 30 yrs of business experience of new start ups, my own business and how to make them successful, I tried many times at the beginning to see whether the chosen path was correct, in my opinion it was not. To be successful with a CIC you need a massive fan base or a fan base where each share is worth £1000+ annually, to me the mix was wrong the CrowdCube Pitch should have been different as whether you like it or not, you do need business involved. Not all business men are like those big money men who have destroyed this club over the years but as is always the case the pendulum has swung too far, and now you are a Club staved of the vital resource 'money' and as such are destined to remain in the lower league for some considerable time. It will only be when common sense prevails to have a balance to the club that it could succeed, by all means keep the crown jewels in the CIC, but without correct financial balance, it will be a significant struggle. So I am sorry I have an opinion of how I would like to see the club succeed and why my simple comments should attract such aggressive abuse has made me realise that the club and its fans may simply have to suffer, until the time comes when they can accept that it was not business that caused this demise but mega ambitious money men and although I am going to get slated again the fans. If the fans had got behind the club fully to get 5000 consistently at home games last season you would have still been there, it is now up to the fans of the CIC to encourage more fans in order to grow the CIC, so its up to people like you, so I would suggest you stop abusing them and encourage them instead for the reasons why they should support you, otherwise you will go no where.[/p][/quote]Excellent, so I take it the board can look forward to you offering your services in the near future. Actually... Send me a PM over on Uncovered and Il pass your details onto the board who im sure will be delighted to have you help with various initiatives. Look forward to hearing from you. Hilly_2009

8:35pm Thu 21 Jun 12

gramps427 says...

The new club needs to move on from all this bickering! Mistakes were made and trust was broken(well done Mr Singh). Hopefully those in charge, and those who hope to help run the club in future, have learnt a lesson about the Football Association. Good luck and best wishes to the new board, Martin Gray, his staff, the players and those fans who get through to Bishop Auckland. Make it work and come back home as soon as possible.
The new club needs to move on from all this bickering! Mistakes were made and trust was broken(well done Mr Singh). Hopefully those in charge, and those who hope to help run the club in future, have learnt a lesson about the Football Association. Good luck and best wishes to the new board, Martin Gray, his staff, the players and those fans who get through to Bishop Auckland. Make it work and come back home as soon as possible. gramps427

8:35pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

charlie74
It was not my venture and I am already heavily involved in 3 others right now, I have made many suggestions and comments from the side and simple been accused of sniping and being critical.
If no one is willing to listen you can't force them especially when there was a chosen uncompromising direction and being told it cant be done.

Well can't is not in my vocabulary.

But sometimes lessons can only be learned the hard way, and in this case it may be better, as generally when the lesson is learned you become stronger for what lies ahead.
charlie74 It was not my venture and I am already heavily involved in 3 others right now, I have made many suggestions and comments from the side and simple been accused of sniping and being critical. If no one is willing to listen you can't force them especially when there was a chosen uncompromising direction and being told it cant be done. Well can't is not in my vocabulary. But sometimes lessons can only be learned the hard way, and in this case it may be better, as generally when the lesson is learned you become stronger for what lies ahead. morgan1

8:42pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
charlie74
It was not my venture and I am already heavily involved in 3 others right now, I have made many suggestions and comments from the side and simple been accused of sniping and being critical.
If no one is willing to listen you can't force them especially when there was a chosen uncompromising direction and being told it cant be done.

Well can't is not in my vocabulary.

But sometimes lessons can only be learned the hard way, and in this case it may be better, as generally when the lesson is learned you become stronger for what lies ahead.
Surely you can see that making posts (and heavily critical ones at that) on a local papers comment section isn't making suggestions or helping?

Making your suggestions directly to the board themselves or even better offering your help to implement those ideas would be ideal.

I've got other things going on at the minute too - nobody is suggesting giving all of your time to the club but some time....he'll any time.... would be great.

Perhaps the amount of time you spend on this very forum suggesting these 'ideas' could be better spent putting those ideas into action?
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: charlie74 It was not my venture and I am already heavily involved in 3 others right now, I have made many suggestions and comments from the side and simple been accused of sniping and being critical. If no one is willing to listen you can't force them especially when there was a chosen uncompromising direction and being told it cant be done. Well can't is not in my vocabulary. But sometimes lessons can only be learned the hard way, and in this case it may be better, as generally when the lesson is learned you become stronger for what lies ahead.[/p][/quote]Surely you can see that making posts (and heavily critical ones at that) on a local papers comment section isn't making suggestions or helping? Making your suggestions directly to the board themselves or even better offering your help to implement those ideas would be ideal. I've got other things going on at the minute too - nobody is suggesting giving all of your time to the club but some time....he'll any time.... would be great. Perhaps the amount of time you spend on this very forum suggesting these 'ideas' could be better spent putting those ideas into action? Hilly_2009

8:44pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

To be fair Morgan have you been making the suggestions in the right place? I`m not having `a go` if you would like to contact me on uncovered username charlie I`d be happy to give you my email address and can pass any on any advice or suggestions. I`d leave my email address here but not altogether happy having it out there on a newspaper website for obvious reasons
To be fair Morgan have you been making the suggestions in the right place? I`m not having `a go` if you would like to contact me on uncovered username charlie I`d be happy to give you my email address and can pass any on any advice or suggestions. I`d leave my email address here but not altogether happy having it out there on a newspaper website for obvious reasons charlie74

8:46pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Hilly_2009
The choices are made the way forward defined, it is no longer opportune to be involved at this stage, I am already committed and could not give it the time it deserves at this point.

I see a period of at least 6 years where you will need to fight to stay alive let alone succeed and if there is a point to assist then I may well come forward but I have taken a lot of unjust criticism not least from people like you and until attitudes mellow or change you would not accept/wish for my assistance.
Hilly_2009 The choices are made the way forward defined, it is no longer opportune to be involved at this stage, I am already committed and could not give it the time it deserves at this point. I see a period of at least 6 years where you will need to fight to stay alive let alone succeed and if there is a point to assist then I may well come forward but I have taken a lot of unjust criticism not least from people like you and until attitudes mellow or change you would not accept/wish for my assistance. morgan1

8:51pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Hilly_2009
The choices are made the way forward defined, it is no longer opportune to be involved at this stage, I am already committed and could not give it the time it deserves at this point.

I see a period of at least 6 years where you will need to fight to stay alive let alone succeed and if there is a point to assist then I may well come forward but I have taken a lot of unjust criticism not least from people like you and until attitudes mellow or change you would not accept/wish for my assistance.
Seems like a bit of a cop out to me. What you're effectively saying is I'd rather just criticise from the sidelines rather than help shape the club for the future.

It's not for me to accept your assistance anyway - I'm not on the board. I'm merely a fan doing my best to help the club I love. So if you're worried about me 'not accepting' your help, don't.

It's the board and I know the board have been delighted to have offers of help - like I say PM your details on Uncovered and il pass them on.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009 The choices are made the way forward defined, it is no longer opportune to be involved at this stage, I am already committed and could not give it the time it deserves at this point. I see a period of at least 6 years where you will need to fight to stay alive let alone succeed and if there is a point to assist then I may well come forward but I have taken a lot of unjust criticism not least from people like you and until attitudes mellow or change you would not accept/wish for my assistance.[/p][/quote]Seems like a bit of a cop out to me. What you're effectively saying is I'd rather just criticise from the sidelines rather than help shape the club for the future. It's not for me to accept your assistance anyway - I'm not on the board. I'm merely a fan doing my best to help the club I love. So if you're worried about me 'not accepting' your help, don't. It's the board and I know the board have been delighted to have offers of help - like I say PM your details on Uncovered and il pass them on. Hilly_2009

8:54pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Ugh says...

So Morgan1 you will not step forward and help, you'd rather snipe at those tying their best from the sidelines by way of comments on a newspaper. I reckon you are just full of poo. Sod off
So Morgan1 you will not step forward and help, you'd rather snipe at those tying their best from the sidelines by way of comments on a newspaper. I reckon you are just full of poo. Sod off Ugh

8:55pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Hilly_2009
You make the assumption that I have not already done so.

I do not believe a restricted forum is a good thing, you have a local newspaper capable of reaching hundreds of thousands of people why dont you use it.
This is your teams forum do you not realise how much coverage you are getting, Darlington RA I am sure would love this much coverage.
Hilly_2009 You make the assumption that I have not already done so. I do not believe a restricted forum is a good thing, you have a local newspaper capable of reaching hundreds of thousands of people why dont you use it. This is your teams forum do you not realise how much coverage you are getting, Darlington RA I am sure would love this much coverage. morgan1

9:00pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

ugh,
I am sorry Ugh you are a sad malcontent that has no verbal skills whatsoever and everytime you comment in this way you demean yourself and your club.
ugh, I am sorry Ugh you are a sad malcontent that has no verbal skills whatsoever and everytime you comment in this way you demean yourself and your club. morgan1

9:09pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Idontknowaboutyoubut says...

morgan1 wrote:
I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation.
I think you'll find that the Durham and Northumberland Police share your concerns about the aggressive and abusive nature of a section of "fans".The unpleasant nature of some comments,has driven quite a lot of potential backers,who could have become fans of the club,but will now never do so.I live in Bishop,but I wont be going near the ground when Darlowhatever are playing.I do my best to avoid thugs.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the Durham and Northumberland Police share your concerns about the aggressive and abusive nature of a section of "fans".The unpleasant nature of some comments,has driven quite a lot of potential backers,who could have become fans of the club,but will now never do so.I live in Bishop,but I wont be going near the ground when Darlowhatever are playing.I do my best to avoid thugs. Idontknowaboutyoubut

9:10pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Hilly_2009
You make the assumption that I have not already done so.

I do not believe a restricted forum is a good thing, you have a local newspaper capable of reaching hundreds of thousands of people why dont you use it.
This is your teams forum do you not realise how much coverage you are getting, Darlington RA I am sure would love this much coverage.
You're right, I do make the assumption. So have you helped or not?

I've certainly not heard anything.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009 You make the assumption that I have not already done so. I do not believe a restricted forum is a good thing, you have a local newspaper capable of reaching hundreds of thousands of people why dont you use it. This is your teams forum do you not realise how much coverage you are getting, Darlington RA I am sure would love this much coverage.[/p][/quote]You're right, I do make the assumption. So have you helped or not? I've certainly not heard anything. Hilly_2009

9:22pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
morgan1 wrote:
I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation.
I think you'll find that the Durham and Northumberland Police share your concerns about the aggressive and abusive nature of a section of "fans".The unpleasant nature of some comments,has driven quite a lot of potential backers,who could have become fans of the club,but will now never do so.I live in Bishop,but I wont be going near the ground when Darlowhatever are playing.I do my best to avoid thugs.
Hilly is very passionate about the club and his comments on here reflect that. Darlington FC have a good family following, to label an entire supporters group as thugs because of a few comments on a web site is unjust and unfair
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: I am truely saddened for 'Darlo' to have such supporters as 'Ugh' and Hilly_2009 who only seem to know one word and can only be abusive. It does not bode well for visiting supporters or 'Darlo's fans future reprutation.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the Durham and Northumberland Police share your concerns about the aggressive and abusive nature of a section of "fans".The unpleasant nature of some comments,has driven quite a lot of potential backers,who could have become fans of the club,but will now never do so.I live in Bishop,but I wont be going near the ground when Darlowhatever are playing.I do my best to avoid thugs.[/p][/quote]Hilly is very passionate about the club and his comments on here reflect that. Darlington FC have a good family following, to label an entire supporters group as thugs because of a few comments on a web site is unjust and unfair charlie74

9:38pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off".
I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off".
It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?
Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off?

Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you?

I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time?
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off". I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off". It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?[/p][/quote]Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off? Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you? I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time? Hilly_2009

9:42pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Words do not put people in hospital? The group of Darlo fans I personally know would not lower themselves to be involved in the kind of thuggish behaviour your are describing or condone it.
I dont know every Darlo supporter personally but those I have met are decent honest hard working folk.
Every section of society unfortunately has sections who engage in thuggish behaviour so I`m sure Darlo FC has its fair share as does every other football club.
If you want to respond to insults in kind then feel free to do so, but please do not tar all of us with the same brush
Words do not put people in hospital? The group of Darlo fans I personally know would not lower themselves to be involved in the kind of thuggish behaviour your are describing or condone it. I dont know every Darlo supporter personally but those I have met are decent honest hard working folk. Every section of society unfortunately has sections who engage in thuggish behaviour so I`m sure Darlo FC has its fair share as does every other football club. If you want to respond to insults in kind then feel free to do so, but please do not tar all of us with the same brush charlie74

9:43pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

Hilly_2009 wrote:
Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off".
I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off".
It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?
Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off?

Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you?

I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time?
**** iPad! Ha!

*suggesting I'm NOT a thug...

**suggesting I DON'T hospitalise pensioners in my spare time...

(awkward!)
[quote][p][bold]Hilly_2009[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off". I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off". It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?[/p][/quote]Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off? Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you? I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time?[/p][/quote]**** iPad! Ha! *suggesting I'm NOT a thug... **suggesting I DON'T hospitalise pensioners in my spare time... (awkward!) Hilly_2009

9:43pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Ugh says...

morgan1 wrote:
ugh, I am sorry Ugh you are a sad malcontent that has no verbal skills whatsoever and everytime you comment in this way you demean yourself and your club.
Not my club, nothing to do with me, don't even like football. Just highlighting the fact that you offer nothing other than criticsm to those who are trying to do something for their club. You just snipe from the safety of a newspaper comments section. Loser.
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: ugh, I am sorry Ugh you are a sad malcontent that has no verbal skills whatsoever and everytime you comment in this way you demean yourself and your club.[/p][/quote]Not my club, nothing to do with me, don't even like football. Just highlighting the fact that you offer nothing other than criticsm to those who are trying to do something for their club. You just snipe from the safety of a newspaper comments section. Loser. Ugh

9:45pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Idontknowaboutyoubut says...

I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you?
I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you? Idontknowaboutyoubut

9:47pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you?
Yeah love too. Past habit of mine you know.

Are you for real?
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you?[/p][/quote]Yeah love too. Past habit of mine you know. Are you for real? Hilly_2009

9:49pm Thu 21 Jun 12

IonlySpeaktheTruth says...

Hilly_2009 wrote:
Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off".
I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off".
It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?
Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off?

Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you?

I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time?
I think you meant " NOT hospitilasing pensioners" ..... at least I hope you did.
[quote][p][bold]Hilly_2009[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off". I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off". It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?[/p][/quote]Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off? Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you? I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time?[/p][/quote]I think you meant " NOT hospitilasing pensioners" ..... at least I hope you did. IonlySpeaktheTruth

9:53pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

IonlySpeaktheTruth wrote:
Hilly_2009 wrote:
Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off".
I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off".
It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?
Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off?

Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you?

I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time?
I think you meant " NOT hospitilasing pensioners" ..... at least I hope you did.
Yeah, see my later post hot-shot.
[quote][p][bold]IonlySpeaktheTruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hilly_2009[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: It is not unjust,or unfair,to respond to abuse and insults in kind.I was persuaded to turn away from backing DFC financially because I dared to pose questions that were not welcomed in certain quarters,and I was insulted,abused,and told in no uncertain terms to"clear off". I see that this has now been upgraded to"sod off". It doesnt matter one jot,how "passionate" one is,or how many "Good"fans there are.How many does it take to hospitalize a pensioner when they stick the boot in?[/p][/quote]Whoa... Hang on a minute here, are you suggesting a thug for telling a bloke to sod off? Getting a bit carried away with yourself aren't you? I also hope you're suggesting I hospitalise pensioners in my spare time?[/p][/quote]I think you meant " NOT hospitilasing pensioners" ..... at least I hope you did.[/p][/quote]Yeah, see my later post hot-shot. Hilly_2009

9:54pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you?
I would like to take this opportunity to remind folk that this is a newspaper website and you are personally responsible for comments that you leave here. From a legal point of view I think people need to take stock , pause and think before hitting the submit button
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you?[/p][/quote]I would like to take this opportunity to remind folk that this is a newspaper website and you are personally responsible for comments that you leave here. From a legal point of view I think people need to take stock , pause and think before hitting the submit button charlie74

10:06pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Idontknowaboutyoubut says...

charlie74 wrote:
Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you?
I would like to take this opportunity to remind folk that this is a newspaper website and you are personally responsible for comments that you leave here. From a legal point of view I think people need to take stock , pause and think before hitting the submit button
Does that include telling anyone you disagree with to sod off? on a point of law,mr know it all,that is abuse.
As you quoted my comment,please note I stated that I was NOT suggesting that person I was addressing WAS in any way involved in pensioner bashing.Read what I posted.
Also, in the original comment,I made the point that I would avoid games involving DFC.for reasons of personal safety,being a pensioner.I think my point has been made for me.Dont threaten me with the law.It works both ways.
[quote][p][bold]charlie74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: I think your attitude proves my point.You are a very nasty man who responds aggressively to anyone who disagrees with you. I did NOT suggest that you,personally,beat up pensioners.Do you?[/p][/quote]I would like to take this opportunity to remind folk that this is a newspaper website and you are personally responsible for comments that you leave here. From a legal point of view I think people need to take stock , pause and think before hitting the submit button[/p][/quote]Does that include telling anyone you disagree with to sod off? on a point of law,mr know it all,that is abuse. As you quoted my comment,please note I stated that I was NOT suggesting that person I was addressing WAS in any way involved in pensioner bashing.Read what I posted. Also, in the original comment,I made the point that I would avoid games involving DFC.for reasons of personal safety,being a pensioner.I think my point has been made for me.Dont threaten me with the law.It works both ways. Idontknowaboutyoubut

10:14pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

I personally have not threatened you with the law, however your original post regarding thuggish behaviour did appear to read as being aimed at a different poster in this column and I was trying to offer you advice.
If your post was aimed at me, I would personally read it that way myself, and judging by his replies that is the way it has been taken. If that was not your intention then maybe you could of worded it differently.
And for the record, I dont claim to be a know it all, nor am I a mr.
I personally have not threatened you with the law, however your original post regarding thuggish behaviour did appear to read as being aimed at a different poster in this column and I was trying to offer you advice. If your post was aimed at me, I would personally read it that way myself, and judging by his replies that is the way it has been taken. If that was not your intention then maybe you could of worded it differently. And for the record, I dont claim to be a know it all, nor am I a mr. charlie74

10:20pm Thu 21 Jun 12

IonlySpeaktheTruth says...

Hilly_2009 ... bet Darlo love having you as a fan!
Hilly_2009 ... bet Darlo love having you as a fan! IonlySpeaktheTruth

10:37pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Ugh,
if you have no interest in this club stop making any comments. I at least have an interest in this club and the direction it takes.

Hilly_2009 you may be passionate about your club put you should not use language or use that type of attitude. If you want success then you must put forward an argument that encourages people to support your club not turn them away.

Charlie74, I will have a think on what you have said but will wait to see what transpires over the coming week.
Ugh, if you have no interest in this club stop making any comments. I at least have an interest in this club and the direction it takes. Hilly_2009 you may be passionate about your club put you should not use language or use that type of attitude. If you want success then you must put forward an argument that encourages people to support your club not turn them away. Charlie74, I will have a think on what you have said but will wait to see what transpires over the coming week. morgan1

10:42pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Thankyou Morgan
Thankyou Morgan charlie74

10:42pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

IonlySpeaktheTruth wrote:
Hilly_2009 ... bet Darlo love having you as a fan!
I cant say I've asked the club whether they appreciate my support it or not. But thanks for the vote of support.
[quote][p][bold]IonlySpeaktheTruth[/bold] wrote: Hilly_2009 ... bet Darlo love having you as a fan![/p][/quote]I cant say I've asked the club whether they appreciate my support it or not. But thanks for the vote of support. Hilly_2009

10:47pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Ugh,
if you have no interest in this club stop making any comments. I at least have an interest in this club and the direction it takes.

Hilly_2009 you may be passionate about your club put you should not use language or use that type of attitude. If you want success then you must put forward an argument that encourages people to support your club not turn them away.

Charlie74, I will have a think on what you have said but will wait to see what transpires over the coming week.
Language or type of attitude?

If you think someone telling you to sod off is bad language I think it's past your bedtime sunshine.

In terms of attitude I still stand by what I say - now is a time for people to stand up and be counted, not to hide behind usernames or comments on a local papers comments page.

I've said time and time again that the club would love to have your help, but each time you've basically brushed it off.

Like it or lump it, your comments on here over the last couple of months haven't been helpful. You've done nothing but criticise the board, who have given up their spare time to do their best by the club, yet when you're asked if you could do better, or whether you could spare some time - you're too busy.

Do as I say, not as I do - eh?
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Ugh, if you have no interest in this club stop making any comments. I at least have an interest in this club and the direction it takes. Hilly_2009 you may be passionate about your club put you should not use language or use that type of attitude. If you want success then you must put forward an argument that encourages people to support your club not turn them away. Charlie74, I will have a think on what you have said but will wait to see what transpires over the coming week.[/p][/quote]Language or type of attitude? If you think someone telling you to sod off is bad language I think it's past your bedtime sunshine. In terms of attitude I still stand by what I say - now is a time for people to stand up and be counted, not to hide behind usernames or comments on a local papers comments page. I've said time and time again that the club would love to have your help, but each time you've basically brushed it off. Like it or lump it, your comments on here over the last couple of months haven't been helpful. You've done nothing but criticise the board, who have given up their spare time to do their best by the club, yet when you're asked if you could do better, or whether you could spare some time - you're too busy. Do as I say, not as I do - eh? Hilly_2009

11:02pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Charlie74,
I have interesting comment and question for you , How many CIC members are there as there are now 702 votes on the poll.

It will be interesting to see how many you get on this poll.
Last comment for the next few days as I am travelling. So I am sure many will be pleased.

Hilly_2009, this evening has been my spare time for the month, whether you thing my comments/criticisms are good or bad, I have always tried to offer a different view point. Many of my earlier comments are now a reality whether you liked them when posted or not.
I am trying to be dispassionate about my view point because the club is still a business and if to succeed you must take the emotions out of the board room not put them there.
Charlie74, I have interesting comment and question for you , How many CIC members are there as there are now 702 votes on the poll. It will be interesting to see how many you get on this poll. Last comment for the next few days as I am travelling. So I am sure many will be pleased. Hilly_2009, this evening has been my spare time for the month, whether you thing my comments/criticisms are good or bad, I have always tried to offer a different view point. Many of my earlier comments are now a reality whether you liked them when posted or not. I am trying to be dispassionate about my view point because the club is still a business and if to succeed you must take the emotions out of the board room not put them there. morgan1

11:15pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Not enough is the answer to your question, nowhere near that number
Not enough is the answer to your question, nowhere near that number charlie74

11:29pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Idontknowaboutyoubut says...

As far as I'm concerned,Darlington football suppporters have got the club they DESERVE,in a league which DOESNT deserve to host you.I feel pity for the clubs your team will visit,in the coming season.and can only hope that the authorities are watching VERY closely for signs of intimidation,for I am sure there will be plenty of that.
As far as I'm concerned,Darlington football suppporters have got the club they DESERVE,in a league which DOESNT deserve to host you.I feel pity for the clubs your team will visit,in the coming season.and can only hope that the authorities are watching VERY closely for signs of intimidation,for I am sure there will be plenty of that. Idontknowaboutyoubut

11:36pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
As far as I'm concerned,Darlington football suppporters have got the club they DESERVE,in a league which DOESNT deserve to host you.I feel pity for the clubs your team will visit,in the coming season.and can only hope that the authorities are watching VERY closely for signs of intimidation,for I am sure there will be plenty of that.
You certainly seem to have a bee in your bonnet, I disagree with you, I dont think the supporters have got what they deserve, we`ve been given the punishment caused by previous chairmen, however its onwards and upwards.
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: As far as I'm concerned,Darlington football suppporters have got the club they DESERVE,in a league which DOESNT deserve to host you.I feel pity for the clubs your team will visit,in the coming season.and can only hope that the authorities are watching VERY closely for signs of intimidation,for I am sure there will be plenty of that.[/p][/quote]You certainly seem to have a bee in your bonnet, I disagree with you, I dont think the supporters have got what they deserve, we`ve been given the punishment caused by previous chairmen, however its onwards and upwards. charlie74

11:38pm Thu 21 Jun 12

morgan1 says...

Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post)

Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically.
Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free)

As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them.
Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post) Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically. Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free) As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them. morgan1

11:53pm Thu 21 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post)

Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically.
Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free)

As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them.
Only one member of the board is being paid, and its substantially less than what the person would normally charge and has also turned work away to work on this in which they would of earned a lot more. That aside I`m happy to pass on your comments.
Would like to point out that I`m just a supporter doing a bit of fund raising, however I have my share in the CIC and am able to pass on your comments happily. As previously stated I can be contacted on uncovered as charlie x
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post) Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically. Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free) As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them.[/p][/quote]Only one member of the board is being paid, and its substantially less than what the person would normally charge and has also turned work away to work on this in which they would of earned a lot more. That aside I`m happy to pass on your comments. Would like to point out that I`m just a supporter doing a bit of fund raising, however I have my share in the CIC and am able to pass on your comments happily. As previously stated I can be contacted on uncovered as charlie x charlie74

12:33am Fri 22 Jun 12

charlie74 says...

morgan1 wrote:
Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post)

Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically.
Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free)

As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them.
Ive spoke to a board member, and they asked for you to contact the board to discuss your comments, on
01325 354494 (office number) or email
commercial@dfc1883.c
o.uk
[quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post) Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically. Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free) As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them.[/p][/quote]Ive spoke to a board member, and they asked for you to contact the board to discuss your comments, on 01325 354494 (office number) or email commercial@dfc1883.c o.uk charlie74

5:11am Fri 22 Jun 12

Darlo1883 says...

Your wasting your time Charlie with Morgan - he's nothing more than a wind up merchant that hides behind a keyboard and promotes self gratitude. The mans worth a fortune but wants to see the club beg or die, sounds like one of our previous chairman. We're sick of hearing how hes made a fortune and loves the club but wouldbnt invest a penny, so why give him airtime, he's playing with you. Unless of course he proves me to be a wrong and gets in contact with the club and invests, I wouldnt wait with bated breath. And yes Morgan I invested my hard earned cash into the Fighting Fund, bought scarves, shirts, offered my help, what have you done, nowt, so stop having a go at Hilly and Ugh and everyone else. The reason people throw crap at you is that you're a know nowt that shows the club nothing but contempt, you wont do anything unless 1883 bends to your reuqests of using the NE Forum, If they did you would have another excuse, yada, yada, yada, too much time has been spent on you - enjoy your tough schedule
Your wasting your time Charlie with Morgan - he's nothing more than a wind up merchant that hides behind a keyboard and promotes self gratitude. The mans worth a fortune but wants to see the club beg or die, sounds like one of our previous chairman. We're sick of hearing how hes made a fortune and loves the club but wouldbnt invest a penny, so why give him airtime, he's playing with you. Unless of course he proves me to be a wrong and gets in contact with the club and invests, I wouldnt wait with bated breath. And yes Morgan I invested my hard earned cash into the Fighting Fund, bought scarves, shirts, offered my help, what have you done, nowt, so stop having a go at Hilly and Ugh and everyone else. The reason people throw crap at you is that you're a know nowt that shows the club nothing but contempt, you wont do anything unless 1883 bends to your reuqests of using the NE Forum, If they did you would have another excuse, yada, yada, yada, too much time has been spent on you - enjoy your tough schedule Darlo1883

7:55am Fri 22 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

charlie74 wrote:
morgan1 wrote:
Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post)

Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically.
Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free)

As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them.
Ive spoke to a board member, and they asked for you to contact the board to discuss your comments, on
01325 354494 (office number) or email
commercial@dfc1883.c

o.uk
There you go Morgan, perfect opportunity.

Ask not what your club can do for you but ask what you can do for your club.
[quote][p][bold]charlie74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]morgan1[/bold] wrote: Charlie74, (OK not quite my last post) Then you need to use The NE to get your message across, there are lots of people out there probably have no way to access your method of donation but also suspicous donating without a clear purchase of a share, and in which company, and to what say it gives them, because the share structure of the 1883 club has not been transparent and identifed publically. Some still see it as the fans providing there hard earned cash for those that run it, rightly or wrongly this perception has not been dealt with. (I could be wrong but I am sure that not all involved are doing everything for free) As I said this is a fantastic forum you have access to for all the people of the town and surrounding area but you have to find a message to engage with them.[/p][/quote]Ive spoke to a board member, and they asked for you to contact the board to discuss your comments, on 01325 354494 (office number) or email commercial@dfc1883.c o.uk[/p][/quote]There you go Morgan, perfect opportunity. Ask not what your club can do for you but ask what you can do for your club. Hilly_2009

9:21am Fri 22 Jun 12

monteforte says...

Good Luck Morgan1 if you do join the Club !
Good Luck Morgan1 if you do join the Club ! monteforte

11:36am Fri 22 Jun 12

asupporter says...

I'm not sure what purpose going over all this again and again serves. We are in the Northern League and Martin Gray is building a team that will get us promotion. Let's all get behind him - it's a long way back but it is possible, Newport did it and so can we.
I'm not sure what purpose going over all this again and again serves. We are in the Northern League and Martin Gray is building a team that will get us promotion. Let's all get behind him - it's a long way back but it is possible, Newport did it and so can we. asupporter

2:35pm Fri 22 Jun 12

It's Me.... Alan says...

no1quaker wrote:
the greek wrote: The club is were it belongs mr vinnegar lol.
for the good of the club, if you got nowt good to say, say nowt at all.
I think you mean "Where" not "were"......up The Quakers!
[quote][p][bold]no1quaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the greek[/bold] wrote: The club is were it belongs mr vinnegar lol.[/p][/quote]for the good of the club, if you got nowt good to say, say nowt at all.[/p][/quote]I think you mean "Where" not "were"......up The Quakers! It's Me.... Alan

3:14pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IonlySpeaktheTruth says...

Will the new players be paid over three years as well??
Will the new players be paid over three years as well?? IonlySpeaktheTruth

4:45pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Shildon Casual says...

So after going back on the agreement to play at Shildon & allegedly having to pay £10,000 to do so Darlo are still in the Northern League & now playing at Bishop Auckland with their prone to flooding pitch..... UNLUCKY !!!!
So after going back on the agreement to play at Shildon & allegedly having to pay £10,000 to do so Darlo are still in the Northern League & now playing at Bishop Auckland with their prone to flooding pitch..... UNLUCKY !!!! Shildon Casual

11:53pm Fri 22 Jun 12

WithRespect341 says...

There is so much passion on here - both for and apparently against our home town club. I applaud those who make positive comments, and find those with negativity mildly amusing; you obviously seek out the comment box it the vain hope that your rebukes mean a jot to the true supporters. Different times ahead for Darlo; but exciting times too :)
There is so much passion on here - both for and apparently against our home town club. I applaud those who make positive comments, and find those with negativity mildly amusing; you obviously seek out the comment box it the vain hope that your rebukes mean a jot to the true supporters. Different times ahead for Darlo; but exciting times too :) WithRespect341

9:24am Sat 23 Jun 12

Hilly_2009 says...

Shildon Casual wrote:
So after going back on the agreement to play at Shildon & allegedly having to pay £10,000 to do so Darlo are still in the Northern League & now playing at Bishop Auckland with their prone to flooding pitch..... UNLUCKY !!!!
A Shildon fan having a go at Bishops ground? Heard it all now!
[quote][p][bold]Shildon Casual[/bold] wrote: So after going back on the agreement to play at Shildon & allegedly having to pay £10,000 to do so Darlo are still in the Northern League & now playing at Bishop Auckland with their prone to flooding pitch..... UNLUCKY !!!![/p][/quote]A Shildon fan having a go at Bishops ground? Heard it all now! Hilly_2009

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