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Ten years, I think, is enough; it’s a long time
Exclusive By Chris Lloyd

IN his only interview on a historic day, Tony Blair tells Political Editor Chris Lloyd about his future role, his present feelings and the legacy left by his past

Q - What are your immediate plans for the future?

A - I have accepted the Quartet job - which is the UN, the US, Europe and Russia - to be their representative in the Middle East. It is a huge challenge.

It will take a lot of time, so I am saying now that I am standing down as MP for Sedgefield with immediate effect.

It is one thing to say to the people of Sedgefield that you do not see a lot of me because I'm Prime Minister. It's another thing when I'm in the Middle East. I just don't think it is fair.

I think the constituency would now probably like to get a full-time MP back.

I want to say how much I owe to my constituency, the people of Sedgefield and the people of the North-East, who have been extraordinarily loyal to me and I'm deeply grateful to them.

A lot of what became New Labour started in Sedgefield.

I will not be selling my constituency home (Myrobella in Trimdon). I will announce in the next couple of weeks that it will be a base for a foundation that is focused particularly on young people and sport. I am convinced that both for reasons of health and fitness and creating more responsible citizens that sport has a huge part to play. This is not goodbye to my constituency or the region.

At some point, I also want to start a foundation on interfaith - how you get the faiths together and show people faith is relevant to the world and part of our tradition.

Q - What does the new job as Middle East peace envoy entail?

A - I have to prepare the ground for a negotiated settlement, and the key to that is to prepare the Palestinians for statehood.

There have to be two states - Israel confident in its security and Palestinians with a viable state not merely in terms of its territory, but also in terms of its institutions, its capability - otherwise there won't be a deal.

That's the reality.

Anywhere you go in the world, this is the issue which concerns people, not merely because of the plight of the Israelis and the Palestinians, but also the symbolism of the dispute, what it says about the state of the relationship between the Western world and the Muslim world and between different cultures and religions.

It is a fundamental issue.

I will be starting straight away. I will probably go out in July.

Q - How has your last day been? What did the Queen say when you arrived at Buckingham Palace?

A - I should not break the convention, but it was a very warm and generous greeting on her part and I expressed my thanks to her for having been so good to me over the years. We have always had a very good relationship.

Q - Were you surprised by the standing ovation you received from all sides of the House of Commons at the end of this morning's Prime Minister's Questions?

A - I was shocked, but very pleasantly so. It is very typical of the House of Commons coming together on occasions like that.

Maybe you become a little emotional, when you suddenly realise that these are the last words you are ever going to say not just from the Despatch Box, but in the House of Commons which, after all, is the mother of democracy and the most famous political institution in the world. What do you say at the end?

Q - You appear content to depart. Is that the case?

A - One of the reasons I have been able to make all the changes I have in the Labour Party and also as Prime Minister is that I have always had the attitude that a really big job like this, you do it according to your beliefs and if you leave your job as a result of them, that's fair enough.

Of course, you can go on, but ten years, I think, is enough. I'm talking to you now and thinking that we used to talk before I was even Labour leader and then I think no, it can't be that long ago. Ten years is a long time, but when I stood out on the doorstep (of No 10) today with the children, I remembered May 2, 1997, when I stood there before.

Q - How do you define your political legacy?

A - For the first time in my political lifetime and, indeed, for the first time in the history of the Labour Party, the Conservatives have had to come to terms with us rather than the other way round.

This means you have changed politics in a more fundamental way than simply winning an election.

Firstly, we have taken the welfare and public services settlement of the post-war period and changed it for today's world. I think people will really see these reforms in education and health kick in over the next couple of years.

In the next two or three years when the pensions legislation comes in, the basic state pension will be relinked to earnings and then we will have a series of low-cost vehicles for people to save in. This will be an enduring settlement for 50 years.

The second thing is in terms of the attitude of the country. I just got a very nice letter from Baroness Amos saying I am black and I am the Leader of the House of Lords - a few years ago that would not have happened'.

I think the country is more prepared now to look outwards.

The reason we won the Olympics was unquestionably because we presented a country that was prepared to sell itself on its merits, not on its history.

That is not to say we are ashamed of our history. On the contrary, we are proud of our history, but there's a difference between being proud of your history and living in it.

Q - Iraq will obviously be part of that legacy. How do you feel when the nightly news bulletins are full of more stories of carnage?

A - If we hadn't acted, it wouldn't be on the news.

They have uncovered the mass graves of several hundred thousand people murdered under Saddam Hussein, and there were a million casualties in the Iran/Iraq war.

It wasn't that people weren't dying before, it was that it wasn't on our television screens.

The most powerful thing is that the Iraqis who have been elected to their government will say yes, it is terrible that we have had the carnage of Saddam and now we have the carnage of the terrorists, why should we have to have one or the other? So we can't give in to the people who are trying to stop us getting the country on its feet'.

The most important thing - and I believe this, although a lot of people disagree with me and that's their right - is that this terrorism is rigid.

It is operating in many, many parts of the world and they think we will give up - if we do, they will keep coming after us.

It's coming from a religious fanaticism that is impossible to negotiate with.

We have to get ourselves out of this mindset that somehow it is our fault and if we hadn't done anything then they would be sitting there being lawabiding citizens. That is not correct.

I don't regret removing Saddam. You can argue about all these issues like deba'athification of the army and disbanding it and so on.

The real reason we have got a problem in Iraq is that the enemy we face is fighting us - it is not because someone somewhere ticked the wrong box.

The worst moments are always when I hear about the deaths of our armed forces.

That's not to say that I don't have a great sense of responsibility for the decisionmaking, I do, but I also don't believe that their evil can entertain our respect.

Q - Sedgefield has enjoyed a remarkable ten years as the Prime Minister's constituency. Possibly the highlight was the day you brought George Bush to town

A - The really funny thing that sticks in my mind is when we went for lunch in the Dun Cow and one of the party member's wives was sitting around the table and she said tell us, George, what is all this stuff with the Israelis and the Palestinians?', and he then gives an exposition of American policy.

I thought how absolutely hilarious: here is the President of the United States in the Dun Cow sitting around having a pub lunch, because people would pay millions of dollars for this information'. It was so funny.

Q - You are, presumably, writing a book with these stories in?

A - Cherie (from across the carriage): His life's not finished yet.

Q - What final message do you want to come out of this interview?

A - Sedgefield has had a dramatic impact on my whole political career and it is no exaggeration to say that I would never have become Prime Minister without representing this constituency.

The most important thing is to say thank-you to the people.

* Read Political Editor Chris Lloyd's personal account of Tony Blair from the politician's first tentative days in the North-East here

9:09am Thursday 28th June 2007

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Posted by: BlairSupporter, London on 10:00am Sun 22 Jul 07
Surely this is not the first comment here?

Anyway, if it is, I'd just like to tell anyone who feels robbed, bereft or just ever so slightly peeved about Tony Blair's early departure that I have a blog which may be of interest to them.

It's (now rather anachronistically) titled "Keep Tony blair For PM" (awww, sweet). Do a google search, or copy and paste this url into your browser:

http://keeptonyblair
forpm.wordpress.com

I have lots of links there to Blair videos, audio & speeches, which you are welcome to access. You can comment on any of the pages/posts there.

I started this blog after the 'coup' effort last summer. I've become highly committed to the 'cause' and even surprised myself by this, not actually being a Labour member (nor any party's member, btw).

As time went on and I researched the subject I noticed that the supportive voice for the then prime minister was clearly largely absent on the internet.

The cause at this time has moved on. It is to provide a platform to lay out the arguments on Mr Blair's part, as I see it. His character and motivation have beeen heavily questioned. My blog sets out to try to re-balance this a little, as well as to provide links to his political record.

Much of the 'feral' press, and many bloggers continue to provide a platform for the opposite cause.

Best wishes to Mr Blair in his future, in particular his new Middle East envoy post. I sincerely hope he will make a difference. I'm sure he will.
Posted by: BlairSupporter, London on 10:17am Sun 22 Jul 07
Surely this is not the first comment here?

Anyway, if it is, I'd just like to tell anyone who feels robbed, bereft or just ever so slightly peeved about Tony Blair's early departure that I have a blog which may be of interest to them.

It's (now rather anachronistically) titled "Keep Tony blair For PM" (awww, sweet). Do a google search, or copy and paste this url into your browser:

http://keeptonyblair
forpm.wordpress.com

I have lots of links there to Blair videos, audio & speeches, which you are welcome to access. You can comment on any of the pages/posts there.

I started this blog after the 'coup' effort last summer. I've become highly committed to the 'cause' and even surprised myself by this, not actually being a Labour member (nor any party's member, btw).

As time went on and I researched the subject I noticed that the supportive voice for the then prime minister was clearly largely absent on the internet.

The cause at this time has moved on. It is to provide a platform to lay out the arguments on Mr Blair's part, as I see it. His character and motivation have beeen heavily questioned. My blog sets out to try to re-balance this a little, as well as to provide links to his political record.

Much of the 'feral' press, and many bloggers continue to provide a platform for the opposite cause.

Best wishes to Mr Blair in his future, in particular his new Middle East envoy post. I sincerely hope he will make a difference. I'm sure he will.
Posted by: Ahmed Ala' on 5:38am Sun 6 Jan 08
As a Palestinian I can say: Mr Blair, we do not want you, Go Home! You destroyed Iraq and now you are siding with Israel as it destroys Palestine! Your people got rid of you, we do not want you coming here to take advantage of us and continue your imperialism. You are the fanatic not us.
Posted by: K. Bailey, Manchester on 11:36pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Ahmed Ala'... pathetic, yet another person with obviously no political knowledge whatsoever, making generalised statements and, out of sheer ignorance and arrogance, hold yourself in high enough regard to speak on behalf of an entire nation just because you happen to be a part of it. (Although not a very clever part.) Idiot!
Posted by: Edgar Locke, Worthing, Sussex. on 3:30pm Thu 10 Jan 08
I care very much for the people of the middle east. I come from a lebanese and german jewish family so the mniddle east is in my blood. Good luck, Tiony Blair.
Posted by: Ahmed Ala' on 2:00pm Fri 11 Jan 08
We know who Tony Blair is and what he is, even if you call me an 'idiot.' This greedy man who just accepted $1 million from JP Morgan Chase is profiting from his connections and his office. He believes he is the messiah. Go and produce a single Palestinian, except for the US-backed unelected clique in Ramallah who supports him and I will give YOU a million dollars. British imperialists stay at home. We do not need your "help." God spare us from your "humanitarianism"
Posted by: Ahmed Ala' on 4:39pm Sun 13 Jan 08
Blair has already FAILED as Quartet Envoy. Of course don't take it from me because as the previous insulting commentator said, I am just an 'idiot' Palestinian. But do take it from Ha'aretz, the leading Israeli newspaper: http://www.haaretz.c
om/hasen/spages/9440
42.html
Posted by: Trixie on 5:09am Thu 17 Jan 08
Ahmed, how do you see the Palestinian thing working out in the real world? Do you expect Iran to nuke the Israelis, or Syria to drive them into the sea? Or do you see the Palestinians uniting instead of battering each other, and electing a government that genuinely represents the whole nation, and forming a viable state which comes to terms with realities? Or do you plan just to close your eyes tight, cross your fingers, and wish REALLY HARD for the first option? Just wondering.
Posted by: Ahmed Ala' on 4:07am Tue 22 Jan 08
We elected a government freely and fairly, but your Blair helped to blockade it and undermine it. He believes only in "democracy" for Europeans and Americans. WE have to do what the West says or they arm factions against us. If you had countries interfering in Britain like we have the US and Britain interfereing in Palestine and Iraq you would also have civil war. Israel is butchering Palestinians and Blair is laughing and talking about a "peace process." We need people to stand with us in solidarity against our occupiers or to GET OUT. WE do not need false friends who smile while helping our enemies.
Posted by: BlairSupporter, http://keeptonyblair forpm.wordpress.com on 6:38pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Ahmed, you are obviously angry. A lot of us are angry. But in the end what are you suggesting? People who "stand with us in solidarity against our occupiers"? Fair enough, if standing is all you think is important. But what should such people DO while standing alongside you? Shouldn't they try to negotiate? Your 'government' insists that there is no negotiating with Israel and, like others in the region, it thinks that Israel has no right to exist. That way there is no way out. People everywhere just want to live in peace, but they won't get peace until they are ready to give as well as take. That goes for ALL sides. At least Tony Blair is trying to bring people together. A lot of people just seem to want to kill. To show their anger, presumably?

That way lies continued despair.
Posted by: Jim Hannah on 11:10pm Fri 15 Feb 08
Much is spoken and written about the palestinian/israeli conflict, and the roots of the problem are usually ignored. To the Palestinians I have to say this: "The Israelis exist, and will continue to do so regardless of the largely uneducated hatred against them by muslims world-wide. That needs to change because it is fundamentally wrong". To the Israelis I would say: "You compounded the problems and continue to do so with your agressive bahaviours many years ago and now. You were fundamentally wrong and worsened the situation immeasurably with the 6 day war". The hatred needs to stop; humans are humans...what they are is a result ONLY of how they are indoctrinated when growing up. It is BOTH sides who need to STOP their nonsense and realise that coexistence is the only possible answer.
Posted by: Tim Bailey, u.k on 12:20pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Bravo Cherie for your comment (his life’s not over yet) I feel his best is yet to come.
Ahmed Ala’ your comment you wished he’d come home I agree with you he should stop wasting his time on nations who have an historical deep seated hatred of each other which by the way my friend wont be solved by the gun or a suicide bomber you folks need to sit down at a table and talk to each other as equals and then learn how to live life along side each other in peace
Posted by: James, Manchester on 3:50pm Wed 2 Apr 08
Best Prime Minister ever. Well done Tony.
Posted by: Deborah Chong, Wembley on 9:55am Tue 29 Apr 08
A very warm, compassionate, generous and adorable Prime Minister, the world was very fortunate to have such responsive humble person to be Prime Minister of UK to bless the world in these last days of turbulent days of Jesus second return. I learn from Tony Blair, generosity, humility, kindness and mercy from his character. Many people all over the world of different ages I met said he was handsome, a wonderful person and effective leader.

I only wished he had trusted and knew Jesus' teachings more he would have been able to deal with all untrue or true allegations against him with silent discerning spirits and Jesus would have defended him easily without his anxiety and human effort. All he needed to be and do is to seek FIRST His Kingdom and His Righteousness, God has already achieved all that the world is destined to experience and receive on The Cross with the power of resurrected Christ Crucified
Posted by: Mohsin beg, Glasgow on 9:37pm Sun 15 Jun 08

Mr Blair undoubtedly you are a good leader. You have enforced on others what you believe.

However the death of millions of iraqis, will be a stigma which you will be attached with. You are liable for the Iraq of today, you are liable for the chaos in the world today, you are liable for the extremism which is gripping the world today. Your policies Mr Blair are the root of all evil. You have done a great Job promoting what you believe, but you have failed to deliver justice. The world has become a more dangerous place today, that what is was 10 years ago. The World is in more turnmoil today that what is was 10 years ago. Iraq ia more unstable today, than what is was 10 years ago. You may have given the british society a good stable thriving economy, but you have created chaos in the Middle East.

Your leadership skills are amongst the finest, but they have been channelised towards the wrong policies.

As a person, your very talented, but as a politican you have been exploited as others have been able to abstract what they needed to abstract from you. You may think that you were the commander in chief, but for some you were the drama queen, you were used and exploited.

"I hope this is posted"

thank you
Posted by: Paul Santon, Esq, Instantbull on 2:53am Thu 3 Jul 08
Blair is a great leader. He brought peace to Northern Ireland, sorted out the mess in Iraq (soon he will be vindicated when the WMDs are found) and backed our allies in the war of terror in Afganistan. Tony is a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize and will probably get it for his successes in Palestine. His interfaith foundation is a comfort to us all as well as he conversion to Catholicism and hopefully he will progress to the Sainthood in due course. We miss his firm, but kindly leadership in England, his charming wife, Cherie and his family. We wish him well at JPs and send him best wishes for his lecture tours.
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