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Police question two boys over surgery blaze

10:14am Sunday 7th March 2010 in


POLICE investigating a suspected arson attack that gutted a doctors surgery have spoken to two boys about the blaze.

Adan House surgery, in Spennymoor, County Durham, will need to be rebuilt after the fire ripped through its roof last night.

Durham police and County Durham and Darlington Fire and Rescue have launched a joint investigation into the fire.

Police confirmed they have spoken to two male youths and are not looking for anybody else in connection with the incident.

Around 25 firefighters from Spennymoor, Bishop Auckland and Durham were deployed at around 6pm on Saturday and at one point feared nitrogen and oxygen cylinders inside could be ignited.

The surgery was closed at the time but nearby Asda supermarket had to be evacuated to ensure the safety of staff and customers.

Steve Owers, duty group manager, said: "The fire very quickly spread through the roof void and it took around two and half hours to control."

Surgery staff are working to establish replacement health services and run the surgery from alternative premises.

The public is asked to only call the surgery for urgent matters in the immediate future.

In the case of chest pain or collapse people should call 999.

The Urgent Care Centre can be contacted on 0300-111-0111 or advice can be obtained from NHS direct on 0845-4647.

Patients will be kept updated with changes.

Comments(82)

Sososorry says...
4:21pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I really really do not how to post this, but I know I have to, I am the father of one of the boys who have caused this dreadful incident, to say I am in the deepest shock does not even start to cover what has happened.
My words will not begin to cover the shame my son has brought to our house, let alone the disruption to the people of Spennymoor, my wife and I woke up this morning to discover that our son was partly responsible for this tragic incident and we are in a state of shock, our son has always and I do mean always been brought up to never play with matches or lighters, and to actually see what he and his friend has done, beggars belief.
I know my words will not make amends to the people of spennymoor or the staff of the surgery, I can only wholeheartedly and sincerely offer a apology.
I will be making sure my son fully understands his utterly thoughtless actions, and the consequences caused to the people of Spennymoor, my only consolation is that nobody got physically hurt, but I feel Spennymoor will feel the hurt of this tragedy for a long while.
Once more, I offer on behalf of my son, our heartfelt apologies.

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CTRILEY says...
4:23pm Sun 7 Mar 10

ckh79 wrote:
This is absolutley terrible, Whoever started this wants to be VERY ashamed of themselves!
Rumour has it that it was caused by two children putting something through the letter box.

Whilst the entrance to the surgery is in direct line of a CCTV camera.

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Sososorry says...
5:01pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I beg anyone who is reading this article not to let rumour take control and await the disclosure by the police before commenting, and please before going on a witchhunt, remember please, these are children, and children do not always fully comprehend the danger they put themselves or others in, nor the heartache they may cause to others either.

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Butafly says...
5:14pm Sun 7 Mar 10

Anyone would defend their own son in that way. Some parts I agree with,but no matter how old your son and the other boy was,they must have known it was wrong what they were doin.As u stated before,u taught your son not to play with fire

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angrydad2010 says...
5:46pm Sun 7 Mar 10

To sososorry - you should be making your son give a public apology, not doing it for him.
Few parents actually know what their offsrping get up to when they are out, and have the attitude of 'my son/daughter would never do something like that' - but the kids DO do things like that, unless parents know where they are and what they are doing, which means much closer supervision and involvement in their kids lives.
Kids who do things like this need serious help, not just punishment.

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Andy of Aycliffe says...
6:02pm Sun 7 Mar 10

Oh here we go, the keyboard warriors and coming out of the woodwork . How can people comment when they dont know the facts ? Let the Police do thier work and sort this out , IF this young boy is guilty then he will be punished for his deed , the lads dad did not have to pour his heart out on here and ask for the forgiveness of strangers , I personally feel for him and his family so please , spare a thought for them as they did not ask for this. ...People in glass houses...

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9 foot boa says...
6:09pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I can fully understand where this man is coming from as a mother of 4 sons thankfully all in there 40's now but which one of you can honestly say "you knew where your kids were 24 hours a day" come on give this man a break he didn't have to do what he did that took guts thanks

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Andy of Aycliffe says...
6:11pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I agree 100% 9 foot Boa

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Sososorry says...
6:17pm Sun 7 Mar 10

To angrydad, I have every intention of making my son make a full apology, infact thats what he has been writing down for the last 2 hours, however I do not have eyes in the back of my head nor does my wife, and you simply cannot keep children locked up 24 hrs a day, this incident, took place within a matter of minutes, again as I have stated, children simply do not think all the time of the follow on effect of their actions.

To the two other commentators on here, I thank you for your comments, they are appreciated.

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9 foot boa says...
6:19pm Sun 7 Mar 10

thank you Andy of aycliffe
like I said I didn't know where my kids were 24 hours a day and it sounds as though this man will deal with his son as well as what the police will do to him
to the readers look to your own before making derogatory comments

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iams says...
7:00pm Sun 7 Mar 10

yes i agree with the above must be a shock to find out your son is an arsonist. Dont expect much sympathy as this causes huge problems for sick folk in spennymoor, doctors , staff and chemists. Arson whether intentional or unintentional is a serious crime whatever the age of the offender .

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CTRILEY says...
7:09pm Sun 7 Mar 10

Sososorry wrote:
I beg anyone who is reading this article not to let rumour take control and await the disclosure by the police before commenting, and please before going on a witchhunt, remember please, these are children, and children do not always fully comprehend the danger they put themselves or others in, nor the heartache they may cause to others either.
Fair comment.

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ckh79 says...
7:13pm Sun 7 Mar 10

Its very brave of the sons father to speak out and apologise but what are the 10,000 people who are registered with the surgery supposed to do if they are ill, god forbid if there are patients who die because they can't see a doctor because some careless lads have burnt it down! Absolutley disgraceful! and yes i do have children of my own and they know not to go out of reach of our house they are always where i can see them!!

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ckh79 says...
7:13pm Sun 7 Mar 10

Its very brave of the sons father to speak out and apologise but what are the 10,000 people who are registered with the surgery supposed to do if they are ill, god forbid if there are patients who die because they can't see a doctor because some careless lads have burnt it down! Absolutley disgraceful! and yes i do have children of my own and they know not to go out of reach of our house they are always where i can see them!!

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Avenger16 says...
7:51pm Sun 7 Mar 10

Thats not normal CKH79, depending on their age you can't watch your children 24 hours a day, my son is 6 and in my opinion he's not at an age where he can walk the streets and play with his friends, although at that age i could. This family are obviously devastated by this, and i'm sure they will have done their best, everyone makes mistakes some bigger than others, they will learn from this. The authorities wont let people go without an alternative doctors.

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9 foot boa says...
8:04pm Sun 7 Mar 10

This seems to be getting out of hand and I can't understand why people think they have the god given right to comment on other peoples affairs
the man has said that it will be sorted
and good for you that you don't let your child out of your sight some people do have to work to support their children and so CAN NOT be there 24/7

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CjR86 says...
8:12pm Sun 7 Mar 10

If we knew what our children were up to 24/7 life would be a whole lot easier.. there would be no kids on the corners drinking bottles of cheap alcohol on the street causing trouble... I don't think the father is to blame for what his son has done and I'm sure that his son is going to be punished by his family and the police. However, sometimes it is down to the parents and their attitude and behaviour whilst their children grew up but in this case I don't believe that it is, children and even some adults are naive and they probably didn't realise the extent of what they were about to do... we dont even know HOW the fire happened yet.. so perhaps it was just childish activities and they didn't mean to do it its all just hear say and believe me i've heard about 10 different stories that people have made up.

I personally appriciate the apology that the father has wrote on here.. and really I should be fuming because I have a little person requiring a doctor and now can't get him in... but im not... so Thank you to the dad for writing that but you really shouldn't have to.. and I dont think your son should have to make an apology either at this moment in time because he will get punished for what he has done.. i just hope he isnt going to be one of those children who grow up and look in history books and brag that it was him that burnt down Adan House with his friend.

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9 foot boa says...
8:20pm Sun 7 Mar 10

WELL SAID CjR86, Spennymoor

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ckh79 says...
8:49pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I consider it as normal for me to know where my children are maybe when they are 11/12 i will let them go a bit further but for now they will always be where i can see them and I do work to support them. I do feel sorry for the parents as they must be going through hell. I just hope they give their children the punishment they deserve! as if it was one of my kids they wouldn't be allowed out again harsh or not thats my opinion!

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babybb says...
8:58pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I would like to ask one thing. DO YOU ALL KNOW WHERE YOUR KIDS, GRANDKIDS ARE EVERY NIGHT. When you have teenagers you cannot be there 24 hours a day. all you can do is try to teach them right from wrong an be honest and law abiding. I think the boy has made a very silly mistake and for his father to speak up and apologize shows this isnt normal behaviour for this boy. I have 21 yr and 16 yr old boys and we are a good hardworking family i cant watch them 24/7. And just hope that i am never in this poor fathers situation. And to Sososorry i wish you all the best for the future.

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greenfinger says...
9:22pm Sun 7 Mar 10

lock them up if guilty, however young they may be. setting fire to a doctors! these two kids need helping,they've got some real "issues" that need addressing.

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CjR86 says...
9:31pm Sun 7 Mar 10

babybb that was well said... that was the point that i was trying to make. What about those parents that know what their children are up to when at 12 year old they are out in pubs of clubs wearing next to nothing?? when the police bring them home and they have that saying "ahh kids will be kids" or when they are walking around their house puffing on cigerettes and thats alright.... .... this man is genuinally sorry for what his son has done and I think he deserves the upmost respect for putting himself on her for everyone to point the finger and possibly suggesting hes a bad parent??

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Jolly Roger says...
9:47pm Sun 7 Mar 10

Well who pays for this those who started it ? should ? not us the tax payers, as it was not an act of God, and surely those who did should have know right from wrong.

Those who I pity most are the old and young of Spennymoor who don't have a doctor nearby to go to and get medicines, to keep them going until something get sorted and I hope quickly.

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ckh79 says...
10:07pm Sun 7 Mar 10

TOTALLY agree there jolly rodger! all our hard earned taxes are going to be paying to re build a surgery, and not a single penny from the culprits!

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Sososorry says...
10:37pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I'm at a loss as to what to say here right now, if there was stocks or a pillory in the middle of Spennymoor, I can guarantee he would be in either of them for the foreseeable future, perhaps this would suffice to appease some of the people who have commented upon this site, as I have previously stated, children do things that they simply do not understand or comprehend, despite being given instructions as to what is right or wrong, I am in no way condoning what my son has done, nor will I ever condone it, it is simply and utterly intolerable what has happened, and if I could turn the clock back I would, but who here can honestly and truthfully say that their lives have been 100% perfect? Everyone at some point makes a mistake, granted this is somewhat larger than your average one, but it is a mistake in a pair of young children's lives, one which I am hopefull they have both learnt from.
My wife and I have both been close to tears all day long because of this and have questioned ourselves as to whether it is indeed down to us being bad parents that this incident has arisen, but no, I will not accept that, we have tried our best and if people wish to believe that this has happened because of our parenting skills, I ask this, do you know where and what your child is doing every second of every day? Because if you answer yes to this question, then bluntly put your deluding yourself, children will and do test boundaries every day, and for someone to categorically state that they know what their own child is doing 24/7 is erring on the side of delusion.
Once again, I humbly apologise on behalf of my son to people of Spennymoor and the staff of the surgery.

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Jolly Roger says...
10:47pm Sun 7 Mar 10

You know what the biggest problem with the country at the moment you cannot smack or punish a child who does wrong, so the discipline is not there like it was in my younger days.

If punishment of this order ws still in place the youngsters of today would get to know right from wrong in they younger dys.

The cane did me no harm, but in this day and age where is the punishment for going wrong.

Come on where is it.

That is why I am suggesting that those who start things like this PAY for the repair of the damage they do.

As it seems the only way of punishing them in these days.

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mumoftwogirls says...
11:31pm Sun 7 Mar 10

The only people to blame for this incident is the boys themselves, however in our society no doubt the finger will be pointed to their parents, school, area they live in etc etc.
Regardless of their age (unless they are under 5 which I doubt) they would have had some comprehension that what they were doing was wrong, whether they set fire to a tree/ the grass or shoved some paper through the letter box as the current rumour mill suggests. Presumably they would have fled the scene so were fully aware of their actions. The only question it raises to me is regarding how quickly they were caught. Was one of them known to the police already? Did they go bragging of their misdomenor and someone else tell the police? If their father only found out this morning presumably they didnt go home and confess to their 'mistake'
Their actions will have cost hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds, not just the destruction of the surgery but the cost to the fire service and other emergency services and the cost to businesses who had to close last night. They will have no comprehension of this though as todays kids dont know the value of things.
My thoughts are with the parent who has been brave enough to speak on here as no doubt you will be villified for this. All I hope is that as we know the great British Justice System will not prevail and the boys will not be suitably punished (I reckon a slap on the wrist, a telling off and a trip to the fire service HQ to be shown the dangers of fire) that he and is family ensure that the boy does learn from his actions. Ground him for a long period, stop him mixing with the other boy, change schools if he has to, dont allow and priveleges or massively celebrate his birthday for the year and maybe scrap Xmas for him- that might teach him a lesson. I doubt that would happen though as I think most of us parents these days are far too soft. Please whatever you do though, try and make sure he is ashamed of his actions and doesnt become a 'Spennymoor Legend' when he is older.

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9 foot boa says...
11:46pm Sun 7 Mar 10

aren't we all good at giving advice to parents who are already suffering
I think this man and his wife have gone through enough and as for paying for the damage you can't expect these parents to pay for this rebuild I don't hear anyone shouting about
the ammount of money that is being wasted by councils and government and being paid for by the tax payer like all the expenses that were claimed by m p's come on call it a day and leave this alone

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Sososorry says...
12:02am Mon 8 Mar 10

Please believe me, I have no wish whatsoever to give him any kind of "legend" status this is the furthest thing from my mind.

As to being lenient with regards to his punishment, please rest assured there will be no leniency

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mumoftwogirls says...
12:07am Mon 8 Mar 10

Please dont think I meant for him to get approval from yourselves, I meant when he's older from other teenagers etc.
I hope both you and your wife can stay strong and get through what I imagine must be a very difficult time.

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George BA says...
12:35am Mon 8 Mar 10

If these creatures are under the age of criminal responsibilty what were they doing out on their own with the materials to do this damage.
What about the generations of people who have lost their medical records, the cost to us all for replacing the building and the poor service people will receive until the building is replaced is immeasurable
If the person who is saying he is a parent of one of these creatures is real, and the child is unde the age of criminal responsibilty I say once again what were they doing out alone and with the means
Never mind the Children, put the parents who have allowed it to happen in prison, not the kids.
Why the hell should we pay for bad parents, who probably couldnt look after a pet goldfish.
Anyone can have a child it takes a proper man or woman to raise them.
Too much rubbish is said about the poor parents who cannot cope, most don't give a sh*t, where were the parents when this happened, probably in the pub or elsewhere not given one iota about what their kids were up to.
This is down to bad parenting, they should be flogged.
If the kids are over the age of criminal responsibility let them face the full wrath of the law.
It is a shame we did away with flogging

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babybb says...
12:59am Mon 8 Mar 10

OMG i hope to god that if my children ever made mistakes in their lives they could count on me. i made mistakes and learned from them.GEORGE to call these children and there parents creatures is pathetic. Have you or your family or relative or friend ever made a serious mistake, and did you stand by and support them or did you have them hung drawn and quartered like you would have these boys.

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MONKEY HANGER2 says...
2:27am Mon 8 Mar 10

I am so appauled by the actions of these 2 kids what a disgrace do they no what they have done I am a patient at this surgery who sees doctos all time now my paper medical records are destroyed through an act of ignorance its un believable is this tony blairs and gordon browns britain this is perfetic bring back punishment ive neva in my life met a set a ignorant children with no respect for elders like it was when i was younger we respected every 1 and brought up that way so all i say to the arsonists i hope they lock u up there is so much damage u have caused and it dont stop there this will go on for years until they build a new surgery congratulations to the fire brigade yet again you did a great job - I am also shocked one of the fathers come and made a speech over his childs actions is he aware if convicted he will also goto court time we learned our children respect as it dont exist nowadays.

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trickie43 says...
6:20am Mon 8 Mar 10

why not have done with it and hang draw and quarter the culprits,
seriously are we not all human.
there for the grace of god .
I hope lessons are learnt.
Media coverage will whip up everyone intoa frenzy as it clearly has .
A linch mob will be next.
Stay stong to the family concerned. We can all learn lessons from others
Do we not get respect by giving the same.

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Andy of Aycliffe says...
6:56am Mon 8 Mar 10

George, your talking rubbish.Enough said.

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CTRILEY says...
6:59am Mon 8 Mar 10

Jolly Roger wrote:
Well who pays for this those who started it ? should ? not us the tax payers, as it was not an act of God, and surely those who did should have know right from wrong. Those who I pity most are the old and young of Spennymoor who don't have a doctor nearby to go to and get medicines, to keep them going until something get sorted and I hope quickly.
This may have consequences beyond the medical. There are various projects planned for Spennymoor some of which will provide much needed facilities from the young to the old, but others which will help create jobs.

These may have to shelved to pay for a new medical centre.

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CjR86 says...
7:24am Mon 8 Mar 10

After reading alot of the comments on here I am totally disgusted by the way that people are going on. They aren't "creatures" they are young naive children.. we don't even know how the fire started its all hear say!! I'd love to know what half these people would say if the shoe was on the other foot and it was their children.. but of course it never will be because they watch their children and their children know right from wrong... blah blah blah... yes.. I'm sure the poor father who has to sit and read hurtful comments about his son thought that too...... back off people... I think your been really disgusting.. let the police and the parents punish the children its not up to us! The surgery will be re-built because they will have insurance and getting the parents to pay for the damage will NOT punish the children it will only hurt the parents. Children do daft things all the time and im sure if you look back throughout your childhood you did stupid things to that your parents didnt and probably still don't know about!!!!!

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CjR86 says...
7:30am Mon 8 Mar 10

Of course.... I aint saying that the children didnt do wrong but they are young and probably are already regretting what they have done..... it would be totally different if it was a grown man who had gone up and done it then we would all be in our right to call him what we want to because he'd of known what he was doing... I think we should concern ourselves with the other youths who roam around plastered at god knows what time. I remember a time when you would walk around spennymoor without having to avoid groups of loud, drunk kids!


LET THE TRUTH COME OUT FIRST!!!

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TheBuffon81 says...
7:50am Mon 8 Mar 10

I'm with CjR86 on this one, how many people on here actually know the exact details of what happened? There is no doubt this is a truely awful incident that will affect many, many people.

As for the father of one of the boys concerned it must have taken real guts to come on here and apologise and it is clear he will make his son aware of the consequences of his actions, the parents are victims in this also. It is too easy to point fingers at the parents especially without knowing all the facts of the case.

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ckh79 says...
8:01am Mon 8 Mar 10

I have u7pmost respect for the father who came on here he is obviously gutted beyond belief what his child has done, where is the other boys father? has he had said anything?? NO!!, The worst thing is that these children will get a warning and nothing else as they are not at a legal age to be able to do anything!

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dmk10 says...
8:30am Mon 8 Mar 10

WITCH HUNT, it makes me laugh that so many of you think you children are so perfect. As a mother of 2 young boys and a not so perfect daughter myself growning up, i can admit to my faults. Just like this man is about his son. To all of you who think you have perfect kids, like this man said it took minutes for this to happen what makes you think your childen aint doing/already done something (shop lifted, set fire to something, damaged someone elses property?? the only difference is these kids have been caught in the act and the others aint yet. When i was a kid i was no worse then those around me the only difference was i got caught and they never. Think about that before you start blaming the parents of these children. yes sometimes they are to blame but atm i dont believe this is the case here. i personally accept his apologe this is gonna cause i problem but i wont blame him and his wife here.

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Super steve says...
9:02am Mon 8 Mar 10

The " details" dont matter the facts are simple two young children who should have under the supervision of their parents were allowed to go unspervised long enough to burn down the surgery. Its a common enough scenario in most towns these days, parents who let young children roam unchecked and unsupervised. Its just a symptom of moden society where parents are deemed never to be responsible for their children, but in reality its just bad parenting.

Those kids should have not been out on their own period.The media says they are under the age of criminal responsibility, that makes em under 10 yrs old I believe, no kids that age should be out on their own.

But anyway no doubt the family will do the right thing to redress the issue by paying for the building to be reconstructed themselves, Certainly the NHS or Tax payer should not face the bill, the parents are responsible for every penny.

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Super steve says...
9:27am Mon 8 Mar 10

babybb wrote:
OMG i hope to god that if my children ever made mistakes in their lives they could count on me. i made mistakes and learned from them.GEORGE to call these children and there parents creatures is pathetic. Have you or your family or relative or friend ever made a serious mistake, and did you stand by and support them or did you have them hung drawn and quartered like you would have these boys.
Mistakes are mistakes, ARSON is not a Mistake, Unless these kids have not been taught right from wrong, I bet they have.

All these do gooders trying to play down the negligence of the parents want to think about one thing.
What if their had been people in the surgery when these two unsupervised children had time to burn the place down, Its more by luck than anything else than these two are not facing manslaughter charges.

I am equally sure the parents are mortified but they will do the right thing and repay the rebuilding costs.

In their defence they are clearly not wicked or stupid parents, But I'm pretty sure its an expensive lesson they will learn.

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ckh79 says...
9:47am Mon 8 Mar 10

Why would you let an 8/9 yr old children go down into spennymoor town centre alone when they don't live near it! kids of that age should only be allowed in the vicinity of your house!

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Jolly Roger says...
10:31am Mon 8 Mar 10

Well who started this thread and comments the father of one of the children admitting his son was responsible for the fire, so we the tax payers have the right to reply.

And as i have said before the parents and children are responsible for the re building of the place not anyone else.

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iams says...
12:46pm Mon 8 Mar 10

man walks into the doctors and says "doc i'm feeling a little burnt out" doc replies "a little burnt out mate ? you wanna see the last place i worked at !"

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darlo-rhino says...
1:05pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Some people onhere ought to be ashamed of themselves. Accept this mans apology in the spirit it is offered. The authorities will take action where appropriate but this man seems a decent man and I bet his young 'un isnt a bad lad really he just did a very stupid thing which I bet he'll be punished for and never repeat anything similar. I did the odd silly thing when I was a kid which for the grace of God didnt turn into something more serious but my parents were decent parents and if we're we are all honest I bet we all have something from our childhood that was a bad thing to do. A bit of forgiveness eh? I am sure this lad would like to wind the clock back right now and not have done this silly thing. And I am sure he is aware of the gravity of his actions. I am not affected by your sons actions so it would be inapropriate of me to accept your apology but you have my respect for offering it to to your townsfolk and I am sure your lad is a good lad really and will go on to be a fine adult with a parent like you.

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mcjordiuk says...
1:27pm Mon 8 Mar 10

sosorry- that took balls to "apologise" on here..
i can safely say nobody is perfect. and am saddened to say kids these days tend to find destruction of property to be "cool" and fun. Let the police and fire investigation teams do their jobs and find out how this fire was started.. i totally agree that the people responsible should be punsihed to the full extent of the law..
i am not a patient at adan house but the fire could of easily spread to the nearby health centre to which i am a patient. thank the fire fighters that the cylinders inside didnt explode and cause even more problems.
Also medical records will be backed up on a secure server.. Speedy Recoveries to Adan House..

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VAH says...
3:56pm Mon 8 Mar 10

think that half of the comments on here a despicable, the father of this boy has came on here to apologise for his sons actions , and people coment back with such hateful comments , its not like the goverment wont have a back up plan for the surgery, yous all need to think about what they say because i bet half of you have been in trouble before its not like they are the only ones, there are plenty more people who are out there who do much more worse things and i bet yous dont go pointing the finger at them!!, yeah they did do wrong and there are people out in spennymoor who need medical care but unlike other people this father had the guts to say sorry to the thousands of people who read the papers and browse the news so i think that you should all thank him because many of other people would just leave it and let it blow over and act like it never happend. to the father of the boy i really apreciate your apologey, at least you stood up and said sorry and i am sure that your a good dad but many people dont see your point they just think themselves as golden people but nobody is perfect

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paws2010 says...
4:02pm Mon 8 Mar 10

in all the uproar of the deastation thease two boys have caused,has anyone thought about the doctors ,nurses, receptionists ,at adan house.how do you think they must have felt watching there workplace go up in flames.they must not have had a lot of sleep or any since saturday night as they will have been working to try and find a suitable location to start the healthcare of their patients again.
my heart goes out to the staff at ADAN house who not only lost the surgery and equipment but most probably had personal items of their own in the surgery
now they will be working long and hard hours to make sure teir patients dont have to wait long to see a doctor.

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JS2 says...
4:13pm Mon 8 Mar 10

According to the tv local news this was yet another wheelie bin set on fire the most common cause of arsons in this area and the hardest rubbish fire to put out by householders. (at least Darlington council did something right by not having them). I also saw on a local tv news programme the other night how at school children were been shown the benefits and not benefits of fire. Bet this has a negative effect on young children.

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Lifetime Townie says...
5:24pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Perhaps the boys parents can explain why they didn't know where their boys of that age were at the time of the fire?

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CTRILEY says...
5:28pm Mon 8 Mar 10

The father is sincere in his apology and no doubt it will be repeated within Spennynews.

But it seems to me that the only way that his son can redeem himself is to keep out of trouble, hit the books and get an eduction which will allow him do something positive with his life which both his family and town can be proud of.

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CTRILEY says...
5:42pm Mon 8 Mar 10

How many of you have ever been to Spennymoor?
Go from estate to estate and you'll see plenty of houses, but there's a total absense of areas for young children to play. No swings, no roundabouts, no slides, but plenty of signs saying no ball games.

Would this have happened of they had had somewhere to play?

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f78 says...
7:23pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Bet most people dont no one of these boys has got previous for this type of incident ,last yr pouring petrol over cars in one of the streets fire service had to come out then too and clean up petrol ,so to say he didnt no what he was doing is an understatment

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jemz says...
7:29pm Mon 8 Mar 10

at the end of the day they never ment to set fire to the surgery, yeah they might not be perfect children and the parents may not be perfect parents but guess what unless you know either of them they you cant say anything but what i do know is nobodys perfect because we dont live in a perfect world i am sure the little boys are sorry for what has happened and its not the end of the world if people need a doctor they are two other surgerys in spennymoor and a hospital at bishop

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f78 says...
7:54pm Mon 8 Mar 10

jemz wrote:
at the end of the day they never ment to set fire to the surgery, yeah they might not be perfect children and the parents may not be perfect parents but guess what unless you know either of them they you cant say anything but what i do know is nobodys perfect because we dont live in a perfect world i am sure the little boys are sorry for what has happened and its not the end of the world if people need a doctor they are two other surgerys in spennymoor and a hospital at bishop
i no of one of them and all i can say is rotten to the core,or thats great we.l go to bishop or another surgery thats not the point that was a good doctors with nice staff and its gone and put loads of people at an inconviniance because of them two

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paws2010 says...
8:17pm Mon 8 Mar 10

f78 wrote:
jemz wrote: at the end of the day they never ment to set fire to the surgery, yeah they might not be perfect children and the parents may not be perfect parents but guess what unless you know either of them they you cant say anything but what i do know is nobodys perfect because we dont live in a perfect world i am sure the little boys are sorry for what has happened and its not the end of the world if people need a doctor they are two other surgerys in spennymoor and a hospital at bishop
i no of one of them and all i can say is rotten to the core,or thats great we.l go to bishop or another surgery thats not the point that was a good doctors with nice staff and its gone and put loads of people at an inconviniance because of them two
yes there is another two doctors surgerys but people would like to see there own doctors who they have visited in the past not a new doctor were they have to explain everything over again.and bishop hospital do not have a A/E NO MORE.and urgent care is for what it stands for urgent care not for prescriptions or blood test etc.
i agree with f78 why should we have to go somewhere else

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Avenger16 says...
9:14pm Mon 8 Mar 10

OK, bottom line, get on with your own perfect lives now.

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spennyfan says...
10:02pm Mon 8 Mar 10

CT Riley 8th March 5:42pm

Yes having lived in Spennymoor for 15 years I couldn't agree with you more about the lack of facilities for children - the council is too het up on making nice new pavement blocks and having everyones surname on the Spennymoor signs!

Majority of parents in Spennymoor want more stuff that our kids could do without having to pay a fortune for it - no matter what their ages are.

Having 2 children of my own I know how hard/frustrating it is to try to keep them occupied when they come home from school.

Good luck to sososorry I feel for him!
But to all the people who have lost their surgery I also feel for you too.

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CjR86 says...
11:28pm Mon 8 Mar 10

I know one of the youngsters families and they are all the same.. his parents are probably praising him for doing it and I am certain that the father on here apologising isn't that boys father because he would of named himself just so everyone knew who's son was responsible for the fire.

If you want to keep updated on the process of the surgery and what they have lined up for us the website is www.standrewsmedical
practice.org.uk

I don't believe that its the lack of things that children have to do because when I was younger even though I did things that I aint proud of I wouldn't of drempt of setting fire to a public building....... Fair enough though, there is nothing to do but there wasnt 10 years ago either when I was younger.... However, I now think since finding out who the boys are that peer pressure has probably played a big part in whats happened and I know that one of the boys knew what they were doing!!!

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sorrydontcutit says...
11:57am Tue 9 Mar 10

I was fuming and still am when i found out who one of these boys were, i do not know if sososorry is the father of one of these boys but i very much doubt it. I have had first hand experience of trouble this boy has caused, beginning when he was removed from a school in spennymoor aged 6 for his unruly, violent and sexually deviant behaviour. Social services are well aware of the circumstances leading back this far and this boy was caught a few weeks ago pouring petrol through a letter box!!
Once again we have a child who has been let down by his parents and the system, as far as i am concerened something like this was bound to happen, luckily the building was empty. Police have their hands tied because of the age of this boy, however its time social services stepped up to the mark and put this boy in care so that he can recieve the help and support he so obviously needs.

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ckh79 says...
4:00pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Well i've just heard through a friend who knows one of the members of the familys that NOTHING will be happening with the children through the police or social services! absolutley appaling in my opinion!!

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mcjordiuk says...
4:33pm Tue 9 Mar 10

f78, sorrydontcutit, crj86 i totally agree now i know who one of the little darlings is..

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MONKEY HANGER2 says...
4:39pm Tue 9 Mar 10

No mattter wat is said on ere we all forget 1 thing who the hell gonna pay to rebuild doctors, i feel sorry for the staff and especially the doctors i have seen many nspections the last 2 days can some 1 tell me the plans are we waiting a year for a new surgery, are the paper records destroyed, that itself makes me mad as mine are my life story from birth neva to be replaced, the main priority now should be get this surgery back i think it took balls for 1 of the fathers to write what he wrote the other aint got none

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mcjordiuk says...
4:43pm Tue 9 Mar 10

monkey hanger- it will be a combination of insurer payout and health service funding no doubt

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ckh79 says...
4:57pm Tue 9 Mar 10

NHS money which could be used to pay for alot of other things!!
I have used the surgery alot over the past few months and have alot of praise for all the staff & doctors and i just feel so so angry!

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paws2010 says...
5:27pm Tue 9 Mar 10

i wonder where the NHS will find the funding from most proberbly they will cut the funding from our local hospitals and will end up closing another deparment as there wont have the funding to keep it open.

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spennylass says...
7:38pm Tue 9 Mar 10

I was so sorry to hear about the fire at the Doctors Surgery in Spennymoor. After reading some of the terrible comments about what are at the end of the day just children I felt that Spenny people were letting themselves down by becoming a lynch mob.
However, after reading comments about the 'child' that was obviously the ring leader and his past history, I must say to the sorry father of the second child - did you not know the other boys reputation and why did you allow your child to be in his company?
I hope as many of you do that both boys receive help before someone is seriously hurt in the future by at least one of them.
Perhaps the parents should be named and shamed and certainly the parents of the child with the poor reputation should be held accountable.
The boys may be too young for punishment but in my opinion this sort of behaviour is learned from peers / parents and so they should be brought to task, punished and taught parenting skills before it is too late.
Maybe we too are to blame for allowing these people to carry on in the anti social way that they do!!

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ssoashamed says...
9:42pm Tue 9 Mar 10

i have stood at my kids school for the last 2 days to watch the mother of 1 of these boys laughing and joking on like nothing has happened she doesnt look 1 bit bothered that her son has burned down the doctors i dont believe for 1 minute that sososorry is 1 of these boys fathers . i feel ashamed that my kids have to go to the same school as 1 of these boys because he is not bothered by what he has done

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albion30 says...
10:16pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Some of the comments on here are completely unfair. Sososorry has had the decency to speak out on here, which in itself must have taken courage. Some people think that the kids involved should be locked up. That doesnt always work and sososorry's son should be given a chance to learn his lesson without being put in a childrens centre with kids with personality disorders etc where he could potentially leave with more severe problems than when he went in. Give this little lad a chance to try and put this right ...im sure he will regret what he did for the rest of his life. As for the other boy whose parents havent bothered to apologise? Are we surprised that he has already tried to torch the cars in his street? Considering he trys to steal from adults, has been causing havoc for months and obviously has access to petrol and matches maybe he's the one we should hold more accountable for the fire? And sososorry if you read this comment not everyone in the town feel the same as some of the people who commented on here...you can tell which people on here think they are perfect parents and which ones know that parenting is the hardest job of all. I know a lot of people appreciate your apology.

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MONKEY HANGER2 says...
4:44am Wed 10 Mar 10

I no i have commented before i must write this how i have been refused treatment by the nhs because i have no doctors surgery this came alight tonight i am disabled and i feel this is bull i hope these kids no this is all down to them i no the docs moved to another surgery u try get ur treatment its impossible what the hell this country coming to a set a mis fits running it and a bone idle set a coppers using public vehicles to go do their shopping in police vehicles make em pay tax payers need not pay for that either i am fuming i am affected when i cant get treatment and this is bull name and shame these kids name and shame the doctor 2 cant get medical treatment that is bs the nhs has lost the plot they dont care about spennymoor its a run down town according to them well time to fight back

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*shakes head slowly* says...
10:08am Wed 10 Mar 10

What horrible people you are and what ghastly old-fashioned opinions most of you have!
I'm starting my on country and none of you are invited!!! LOL!!!!!

By the way I once sort of set a farmer's field alight, causing a 4 appliance callout, when I was 8.
We were kids messing about.
At that age we simply didn't realise the consequences of playing with matches.
My sympathies to the boys' families.

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ssoashamed says...
11:16am Wed 10 Mar 10

To shakes head slowly my brother set something alight when he was young and my parents was so ashamed for what he had done but these boys parents are not bothered 1 bit by what they have done. i have children myself and i would be deverstated if 1 of my kids had done that not going round the town as its something to be proud of like 1 of the mothers of the boys .i think kids r kids and none of them r angels but there r some kids who r out of control and these 2 boys the mother of 1 of the boys were on facebook playing games the morning after it happenned that is normal when ur child has done something like i know

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George BA says...
12:19pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Bring back flogging and start with the parents. In the good old days criminals were hung for pinching fruit.

You namby pamby pc lot are a disgrace.

There is no discipline anymore, and that is what is sadly lackling.
Instead of supporting his angelic son, sosorry was spending his time on the internet writing his apology while the fire was still hot, so what does that tell you.

If the kids are blame free, the parents are not, what were kids doing out at this time of day in the dark without their parents or guarduians. Quite a lot by the sounds of it.

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ssoashamed says...
12:56pm Wed 10 Mar 10

couldnt agree more with u george ba letting ur kids out to roam the streets at that age is shocking . its the parents in this that want the punishment cos what chance has these kids got with parents like that.

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sorrydontcutit says...
9:19pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Well said to both of the above comments

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stephbow says...
12:22am Thu 11 Mar 10

god sake you lot!! these are kids that no doubt the parents would welcome help for now!! you can not be behind your kids 24_7 fact!! as kids we did things we not all proud of. my husband lost his business 2 kids and fire some years ago n yes it s very annoying and makes you question things but at the end of the day they are kids!! our 2 kids ain t been perfect, we do our best and touch wood they aint gone totally off the rails. ppl in glass houses shouldnt cast stones!! thisdad came on here and poured his heart out(and could have stayed anon) but didnt. give him bit of slack. ppl 2 quick 2 judge when they sit in thier perfect lil lives. insurance is there for a reason, yes wrong in certain circumstances but we all take it out for such problems that arise! befor you all look at my profile and say thats ok for you 2 say livin in ferryhill my sister is regestered at adan house and has just done a year fightin cancer and is wantin 2 go back 2 work soon so her records lost or not, which they won t be cos surgerys have back up, need 2 be accessed. sososory good luck

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Aeriel says...
5:38pm Fri 12 Mar 10

God help anyone whose kids get themselves into trouble on any scale; like people are saying you can't watch your kids 24 hours a day. I know my parents sweated blood for me & my brothers/sisters, watched us like hawks and we still managed to get into differing levels of trouble (not on this scale thankfully) but we have thankfully grown into professional law-abiding adults with good homes/mortgages etc, but not before putting our parents through differing levels of heartache I'm sure. I think that it's admirable for sososorry to come forward; remember his son is 8 years old and still a 'child', still vulnerable; his family must be going through hell. If I'm going to be a keyboard demon I'll add that it makes a refreshing change in today's culture for someone to come forward and take responsibility as we know that not many do.

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Anchorsaway says...
2:08am Sat 13 Mar 10

Hey George,BA guess what? You win the anchor of the year award! Wake up you fossil the victorian days are over!!!
Ssoashamed yes your right to have a name like that. You obviously know the parents of one of the kids, did you stop and ask them about how they are really feeling before posting on here? If you know one of them on facebook I bet your a really supportive friend...
Best both of you and all the other idiots on here not willing to give any forgiveness should all get back to your perfect lives!!!
Good luck to the family concerned.

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Anchorsaway says...
2:08am Sat 13 Mar 10

Hey George,BA guess what? You win the anchor of the year award! Wake up you fossil the victorian days are over!!!
Ssoashamed yes your right to have a name like that. You obviously know the parents of one of the kids, did you stop and ask them about how they are really feeling before posting on here? If you know one of them on facebook I bet your a really supportive friend...
Best both of you and all the other idiots on here not willing to give any forgiveness should all get back to your perfect lives!!!
Good luck to the family concerned.

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iams says...
8:59am Sat 13 Mar 10

the comments above seem to divert from the real problem patients have at adan house, i require a third injection for a course of treatment and was told to ring back in 2 weeks time ?, so do gooders i am to suffer another 2 weeks because of these arsonists !!! so can you understand the anger people have against these arsonists . im not even sure what will happen in two weeks anyway ? thought about going private but costly would sososorry and son arsonist pay for this ? you would if you were really really sorry !

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