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7:59am Monday 8th February 2010 in
A PUB has been accused of discriminating against the Armed Forces after barring squaddies at certain times of the week.
Sharon Lupton, 52, whose son has served in Afghanistan, forced The Hoskins, in Darlington, to take down a sign which said that groups of well-behaved squaddies were welcome – but not on Fridays and Saturdays after 7pm and not after 3pm on Sundays.
Despite the concession, however, the chain which runs the pub said its policy of refusing entry to large groups of Army personnel at the allotted times remains in place.
Mrs Lupton, of Lorraine Crescent, Darlington, whose son, Paul Leonard, is an aircraft technician with the RAF and has twice served in Afghanistan, wrote to the Barracuda Group after her daughter alerted her to the sign above a door.
She said: “I am really irate.
I just find it discrimination.
Why can’t they come in and have a drink whenever they want? And why take the sign down if the policy still stands?
It is pointless.”
In her letter, Mrs Lupton said she was appalled by the sign, adding: “I thought pubs employed doormen to stop any trouble and eject the people causing it, regardless of their colour, occupation or any other agenda.
“My family, friends and I will not be using this pub until [you] give our servicemen and women the respect and admiration they deserve.”
Sarah Calderbank, a spokeswoman for the pub group, said the pub had reviewed the way it communicated its policy after admitting the wording of the sign had provoked the wrong sort of response.
She said there had been a number of incidents over the past few years involving groups of intoxicated Army personnel in the Darlington area and it had long been an emotive subject among licensees.
She said this had led to some licensees in the town refusing entry, while others, including The Hoskins, had adopted a policy to restrict admittance.
The spokeswoman said the pub’s continued stance was particularly aimed at Army personnel from Catterick Garrison, in North Yorkshire.
She said: “The Hoskins is a family-friendly pub that serves food throughout the day and evening. While we do welcome customers from the Armed Forces, we reserve the right to refuse large groups if we believe they have the potential to impact on other customers’ enjoyment of the pub.
“We do accept that the sign may have caused unnecessary offence to Mrs Lupton and that is the reason the manager took it down, however, our policy on large groups of squaddies will remain.”
Darlington businessman Alasdair MacConachie, chairman of the Independent Advisory Panel of Catterick Garrison’s Infantry Training Centre and a former soldier, said: “To put these signs up is an absolute disgrace and discrimination in my considered view.
“I am very supportive of the military who do a fantastic job and there is a lot of strong support for them in Darlington.
“Generally speaking, if a squaddie misbehaves they will be fiercely dealt with when they get back to barracks and are fined and subject to disciplinary procedures.”
Sergeant Dave Kirton, of Durham Police, who manages the town centre beat team in Darlington, said soldiers and other members of the Armed Forces caused an “insignificant amount” of trouble.
He said: “We don’t agree with any particular group in the community being automatically barred, whether it is soldiers or anyone else.”
■ A snapshot survey by The Northern Echo of ten town centre pubs found that none had a policy of automatically turning away groups from the military services.
Carl Mafham, joint manager of the Red Lion, in Priestgate, said: “If they come in and treat the place right and don’t cause any hassle we have no reason to turn them away.”
Robert Watson, manager of Tanners Hall, in Skinnergate, added: “If they behave themselves we let them in. Ninety nine per cent of them are fine.
It’s just the one per cent who give them a bad name.”
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darlochoc
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9:48am Mon 8 Feb 10
kennc
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10:06am Mon 8 Feb 10
Ian James
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Super steve
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gary123
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darlo-rhino
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Big Dave
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sweety12
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D D Coy
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stevebrown
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stevebrown
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Ian James
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Ian James
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Colin Wood
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9:02am Tue 9 Feb 10
darlo-rhino wrote:The Hawkers have been organising illegal fights in Darlington since the sixties nobody had heard of Townies until the Hawkers hit the town centre pubs and clubs in the eighties and invented this derogatory racist generalisation so they could play the race card for the courts.
I have now lived in Darlington for 9 years and I find Darlington to be quite a discrimanatory town in general. I addition to its attitude towards Soldiers also consider its attitude towards 'hawkers' prior to coming here I'd never heard of this term other than to describe someone in Victorian Times who sold their wares. In Darlington it is a derogatory term aimed towards an ethnic group which would no longer betolerated aimed at other goups elsewhere. I find this towns attitude towards squaddies to be generally poor. Perhaps they should look ath the behaviour of 'townies' before they criticise elsewhere. And as one last point - are the annoting boy racers who hang around each evening on the commercial street car park Squaddies/Hawkers or indeed Darlingtons own little darlings.
Super steve
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Super steve
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kelly0102
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Aeriel
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Suzydo
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6:22pm Tue 9 Feb 10
darlochoc wrote:I totally agree with you, me and my friends have left pubs in the past to avoid being hassled by squaddies. I have full respect for the armed forces, I have friends out in Afghan but it does not give them the right to try it on with every girl they meet regardless of if their boyfriend is there or not and Im speaking from personal experience there. Its only a small few that have spoilt it for the rest which is a shame!
sorry but being a single woman in the town I know just how bad the squaddies can be, they won't take no for an answer and I have in the past had to leave a pub so that I am not hassled by them, I know this is the minority but its a case of them spoiling it for the majority, fair enough they do a good job for the country but its not a valid chat up line for me, they come to the town on a major **** up and think they own the place, I know a lot of women in the town who feel the same way, I tend to go out during the week to avoid them.... waiting to be shot down in flames now.....
BIGBDARLO
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10:03pm Tue 9 Feb 10
kelly0102 wrote:Kelly,
Hi everyone my partner works on the doors at this bar and he says the squaddies arenothing but trouble they intimadate woman especially if there is a large group of squaddies my partner tells me there is often trouble when there is large groups the pub is only looking out for the safety of there customers at the end of the day the door men are there to ensure the safety of others i know the pub is fully supportive ofall those who fight for our country this does not mean they have the right to intimadate women and cause trouble my partner tells me that when there is alot of squaddies together they are hard to control at the end of the day they have a job to do and if complaints have beem put forward then they have to act on that so ppl need to look at it from both points of views thankyou!!
torig
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Super steve
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Aeriel
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Duke of Aycliffe
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6:54pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Duke of Aycliffe
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branco69uk
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9:54am Fri 12 Feb 10
Duke of Aycliffe wrote:My son is serving in The Regiment based at RAF Lossiemouth, he's ben to Afghanistan and Iraq on foot patrols and in open top landrovers the only injury he has suffered was a cut to his lower lip and chin by the bottom of a bottle thrust into his face standing at his local bar in Elgin.
Also good & bad spellers should have read soldiers!
e.poppy
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11:40pm Sun 14 Feb 10
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scott thornberry says...
8:45am Mon 8 Feb 10
There are other policies which have been put in place, not in Darlington as far as I know, which is quite laughable and I do not really know how they get away with it. On a recent night out in York I was out with about 8 or 9 mates. We were actually turned away from several pubs because "no groups of lads are allowed in". So we were barred because there were more than 2 or 3 of us. So for the rest of the night we had to split up like little children around the corner from the pub and then walk in as though we did not know each other. And I won't even mention the 'free entry for ladies' promotions.
Imagine if you advertised a job and stated that no soldiers and no men too apply, attractive ladies only please.