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Club blames changed bus timetable for £1,000 a week losses


ONE of Darlington’s oldest working men’s clubs claims it is losing up to £1,000 a week because of changes to the bus timetable.

Harrowgate Hill Working Men’s Club claims takings have gone down because changes to bus services have made it so difficult for members to get there and back.

But Arriva, who have recently agreed to increase services to the north side of town after an 800-name permission against bus cuts, say routes were initially changed to give customers a more reliable service.

However, the club says the reduction in evening services to Harrowgate Hill has meant many pensioners have been put off attending the club as they are fearful of getting attacked while waiting for their bus or walking home at night.

Dave Cartwright, club treasurer, said the club was losing up to 120 visits from members a week.

“A lot of our members are not just from Harrowgate Hill, they are from all over the town. There are quite a lot from the Whinfield, haughton and Springfield areas.

“Before, they could get on and off the bus outside the club.

“Now, older members don’t appear to be coming in the club because they are frightened of being mugged or attacked in the street if they are waiting for a bus or walk home.”

He added that the club would have to start putting on other functions to recoup the loss.

“The Government has been trying to get people out of their cars. It seems Arriva are to get them back in their cars.”

Tom Stebbings, chairman of Darlington Mencap Society, which runs the Gateway Club, which is next door to the working men’s club and caters for people with learning difficulties, said they had also noticed a downturn in visits.

He said their members, some of who can get to the club independently, had struggled to understand the changes.

“They have found it impossible to the club without paying for taxis. A vulnerable group within Darlington has been disadvantaged by changes which have been poorly thought out,” he said.

John Fozzard, marketing manager for Arriva, said the changes had been made after months of research and in partnership with Darlington Borough Council. He said Harrowgate hill had not been cut off.

“The changes mean the services are more reliable, more punctual and more effective for people in Darlington.”


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billy2, darlington says...
9:46am Fri 12 Sep 08

dont know how the council gain by it but they just cant stop cutting back.once again the greedy hitting the needy

miketually, Darlington says...
3:00pm Fri 12 Sep 08

billy2 - the buses were deregulated by the Thatcher Conservative government, so there's not a lot the Council can do about routes, etc.

Monn, Darlington says...
3:07pm Fri 12 Sep 08

Arriva buses and Harrowgate Hill - what a laugh. Because it takes me 30 - 35 minutes now for a journey that took 10 - 15 minutes I decided to get a bus that would take me up North Road on Wednesday afternoon - got an out of town bus at 3.29 - about 8 - 10 were standing by the time it got to Gladstone Street where I and a friend got on (friend in 70's). We got off the bus never having sat down at any time on that journey to Harrowgate Hill. It's an absolute disgrace and all Arriva care about is making money which I know they have to but at whose expense. I wonder also what part Darlington Council have had to play in all of this. It was said that when the Special Schools land was up for sale that the housing that was intended for that estate had to be supported by an easily accessible bus stop - if that land is built on there will be no chance. Has Arriva thought about the social apsects of depriving people of a good bus service? - no they have not and yet some places in town have buses going to them every ten minutes and I have not seen one of them full yet at the bus stop I use.

Monn, Darlington says...
3:23pm Fri 12 Sep 08

Sorry I had more to say - John Fozzard's comments about the bus services being more effective for people in Darlington - of course it is more effective for some of the people - its bound to have made some people happy but it has made a lot unhappy. They are running a business and want to make a profit - understandable, but Harrowgate Hill Club is a business and they are losing money - does Arriva care - I think not.

dosprops, darlington says...
11:07pm Fri 12 Sep 08

My father who is 84 and cares for a disabled wife all day, used to enjoy a visit to Harrowgate Hill club for a break. What used to be a 3 bus stop journey from Asda i.e. 1mile now has to go via the town centre and a change of bus, plus a walk from North Road. A 5min journey now takes the best part of an hour to get there and the same back. Lots of his friends who used to go to the club live in the Barmpton Lane area so unless they walk or get a taxi again impossible to get a bus. Watch 2 ladies a daughter with her mother who looks in her 80's and live in Kingsway, walk down the main road sometimes in the rain because they have no other option. Consultation from Arriva and Darlington Council, don't make me laugh. Who did they ask that would agree to no bus service at all on an evening and a Sunday. A bus service once a hour on a Fri - Sun from 26th Oct. Not godd enough and I hope this becomes an issue when local elections com around. I will be voting for the party with a better public transport policy.

Jonathan, Darlington says...
3:31am Sat 13 Sep 08

I used to live in the north of Darlington and being still young-ish I walked into town it took me 30 minutes but I would rather have done that than took the awful bus service (which I believe has gotten worse). Now I am lucky as I live in the centre of town so I dont need to use a bus service but I feel for those that do.

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