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Election aftermath
RESIDENTS of Bearpark, Brasside,
Framwellgate Moor, Pity Me and
Witton Gilbert did themselves a
disservice in last Thursday's
Durham unitary council elections.
Failing to re-elect George Burlison
cost them an excellent advocate,
respected representative and loyal
friend. His 2006 election established
him immediately as a passionate,
genuine and tireless public servant
whose work rate, intelligent,
sensitive intervention and deep
commitment were equally
impressive and effective.
A just world would have assured
his return, allowing continued
innovative projects with
schoolchildren, youth, senior,
resident, and other interest groups.
Sadly, many "old Labour"
neighbours stayed at home -
unwilling to endorse a New Labour
government whose MPs have lost
touch with traditional support,
abandoned those who elected them,
stopped listening and who needed to
be sent a message.
Sadly, George was victim of that
frustration and disappointment. So
we lost a superb councillor, a man of
vision, compassion and integrity.
Voters will learn that claiming
hard work and effectiveness is
different to actually working hard
and being effective. Until then, I
personally thank all 1,266 people
who, alongside me, put their faith in
George and who would join me in
offering warmest thanks for real,
effective hard work on our behalf
and best wishes for the future.
Thanks George, you'll be missed.
Neil Griffin, Pity Me, Durham.
I AM a 60-plus retired female shop
assistant, live in a two-up, two-down,
have a very small private pension
that just went up by three per cent
and I get the state pension.
The abolition of the ten per cent
tax band means my meagre income
is now £10 per month less than
before my rise. I do not qualify for
any of the credits to alleviate any
financial burden.
I watched Prime Minister Gordon
Brown on The Andrew Marr Show
on Sunday and read your report
(Echo, May 5) in which he said: "I
feel the hurt they feel."
What a hypocrite. He has
absolutely no idea how I feel, trying
to manage.
Labour once cared about ordinary,
hard-working people. Now, they are
only out to feather their own nest or
nests.
In your report Mr Brown said he
believed "the real Gordon Brown is
someone who is standing up at all
times for hard-working families"
and "to solve people's problems, you
have got to understand their
problems".
Would the real Gordon Brown
please stand up and do something to
help us as we seem to have an
imposter in 10 Downing Street?
Val Hawkins, Langley Park,
Durham.
WE should be reminded that the
recent elections were for seats on
local authorities up and down the
country. Unfortunately, the
commentaries following those
results have nothing to do with
whether local authorities were
performing well or otherwise. It was
a comment on the performance of
central government itself.
If every councillor had stood as a
truly independent candidate the
result would not have been seen as
anything more than the electorate
selecting the best candidate to
represent them on their councils.
I suggest party politics should not
be part of the management of local
affairs. Councillors affiliated with
political parties do not owe
allegiance to their electorate but to
the party, and as such are not
democratic.
Council meetings become just a
formality as the voting on agenda
items has been pre-determined at
group meetings, making meaningful
debate pointless.
I would further contest the
validity of a council to function if
there has been less than a 50 per
cent turnout from the electorate. If
it is compulsory to complete census
forms, I see it of more importance
that voting, with certain exceptions,
should also be compulsory.
People fought and, in some
instances, died to give us that right.
Derek Pattison, Frosterley,
Co Durham.
NOW that the dust has settled on
the local elections I feel it prudent to
publicly express my gratitude to the
many people and communities in
the Coundon and Coundon Grange
Ward, of County Durham, whom I
have had the pleasure of
representing since 1987.
As a former councillor who spent
more time in peoples' homes than in
committee meetings, I was afforded
a humbling and privileged insight
into their lives as together we
wrestled with concerns and
aspirations.
I shall treasure forever the thanks
I have received for many a job well
done and sincerely regret, even now,
those issues which I wasn't able to
resolve
I am proud that there are many
examples of what has been
achieved; some standing testimony
within the community and others of
a personal nature known only to
individuals.
Serving my community and its
people has been a pleasure and a
privilege and I wish them all well for
the future.
Phil Graham, New Coundon,
Bishop Auckland, Co Durham.
10:07am Thursday 8th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Peter Dolan, Newton Aycliffe on 10:58am Thu 8 May 08
Derek Pattison has it right when he says that local politics are now just an extention of central government, the Regional Assembly is a prime example, we voted it down but all the local party councillors fell into line with central government and forced it upon us, the same goes with this last election we voted the Unitary Authority down but again party councillors followed the dictate of central government and now they squeal on about not being re-elected, its about time local councillors realised they are elected for local isues not as an extention of central government.
Derek Pattison has it right when he says that local politics are now just an extention of central government, the Regional Assembly is a prime example, we voted it down but all the local party councillors fell into line with central government and forced it upon us, the same goes with this last election we voted the Unitary Authority down but again party councillors followed the dictate of central government and now they squeal on about not being re-elected, its about time local councillors realised they are elected for local isues not as an extention of central government.
Posted by: Jim Tague, Bishop Auckland on 11:38am Thu 8 May 08
Peter,
I accept some of your comments, but I must point out the fact that the Conservative Party was against the Regional Assembly and also the Unitary Authorities. My feet are still aching from walking from the Cumbrian border down through Weardale to Bishop Auckland with Neil Herron's anti-Assembly leaflets. We put our party hats to one-side and helped the side we thought was right.
If the government of the day then simply forces these measures on people, then of course, Conservatives have to put their names in the hat. It would be pretty pointless standing on the sidelines shouting off.
Peter,
I accept some of your comments, but I must point out the fact that the Conservative Party was against the Regional Assembly and also the Unitary Authorities. My feet are still aching from walking from the Cumbrian border down through Weardale to Bishop Auckland with Neil Herron's anti-Assembly leaflets. We put our party hats to one-side and helped the side we thought was right.
If the government of the day then simply forces these measures on people, then of course, Conservatives have to put their names in the hat. It would be pretty pointless standing on the sidelines shouting off.
Posted by: David Lacey, Newcastle on 11:44am Thu 8 May 08
Peter
You are very, very wrong about the Regional Assembly. It is simply untrue to say that it was forced upon us after the referendum. The Assembly we currently have existed long before the vote in 2004. Its responsibilities in respect of the Regional Spatial Strategy, Housing and so on are being gradually being absorbed into the Regional Development Agency and it will eventually cease to exist. With regard to the 2004 vote, there was a secondary question and you may remember that a majority were in then favour of a unitary authority for Durham. The subsequent vote cobbled together by the second tier district councils was undemocratic because it was not supported by the County Council. You must be consistent and not cherry pick the facts that suit your point of view.
However I agree that voters have just passed a comment on Gordon Brown not their local politicians.
Peter
You are very, very wrong about the Regional Assembly. It is simply untrue to say that it was forced upon us after the referendum. The Assembly we currently have existed long before the vote in 2004. Its responsibilities in respect of the Regional Spatial Strategy, Housing and so on are being gradually being absorbed into the Regional Development Agency and it will eventually cease to exist. With regard to the 2004 vote, there was a secondary question and you may remember that a majority were in then favour of a unitary authority for Durham. The subsequent vote cobbled together by the second tier district councils was undemocratic because it was not supported by the County Council. You must be consistent and not cherry pick the facts that suit your point of view.
However I agree that voters have just passed a comment on Gordon Brown not their local politicians.
Posted by: John Routledge, Witton Gilbert on 12:43pm Thu 8 May 08
David
In the 2004 referendum the secondary vote was totally dependant on the first vote and would only have been valid if that first vote had been "yes". The voting paper clearly stated this fact.
David
In the 2004 referendum the secondary vote was totally dependant on the first vote and would only have been valid if that first vote had been "yes". The voting paper clearly stated this fact.
Posted by: Edmondsley, Chester le Street on 1:09pm Thu 8 May 08
"People fought and in some cases died" to give us the right to vote --not to make voting compulsary.What happens if it is compulsary and I disagree with all the candidates?
"People fought and in some cases died" to give us the right to vote --not to make voting compulsary.What happens if it is compulsary and I disagree with all the candidates?
Posted by: David Lacey, Newcastle on 2:11pm Thu 8 May 08
John
You are absolutely right. And so am I. the person who has got his neck in a bit of a knot is Peter whose timelines and confusion (understandable!!) about the existing Assembly and the proposed elected Assembly has resulted in him making incorrect statements. His opinion is his by right, but it is wrong to use inaccurate "facts" to support it.
John
You are absolutely right. And so am I. the person who has got his neck in a bit of a knot is Peter whose timelines and confusion (understandable!!) about the existing Assembly and the proposed elected Assembly has resulted in him making incorrect statements. His opinion is his by right, but it is wrong to use inaccurate "facts" to support it.
Posted by: rosiebabie, Witton Gilbert on 2:32pm Thu 8 May 08
David,
At last someone who grasps what the referendum was about!
Peter,
I agree totally, Gordon Brown has a lot to answer for.I don't think that voters realise that by using their vote as a protest all they are doing is hurting themselves, I only hope that those who chose to do this in Bearpark Brasside Framwellgate Moor and Pity Me realise that their two new Lib Dem County/Unitary Councillors (who by the way are still City Councillors so will therefore have to deal with ALL issues for residents)are now their only point of contact, I only hope that they serve the area well, but they will never come close to achieving what George Burlison did in two years of office.
David,
At last someone who grasps what the referendum was about!
Peter,
I agree totally, Gordon Brown has a lot to answer for.I don't think that voters realise that by using their vote as a protest all they are doing is hurting themselves, I only hope that those who chose to do this in Bearpark Brasside Framwellgate Moor and Pity Me realise that their two new Lib Dem County/Unitary Councillors (who by the way are still City Councillors so will therefore have to deal with ALL issues for residents)are now their only point of contact, I only hope that they serve the area well, but they will never come close to achieving what George Burlison did in two years of office.
Posted by: Peter Dolan, Newton Aycliffe on 3:41pm Thu 8 May 08
David,
If I and the majority of people who voted against a Regional Assemby now find we have one I would call that forcing it onto the voters. If you go to any Borough or District council you will find that under the Leaders appointments the North East Regional Assemby is down for them all and when Bob Fleming was leader of Sedgefield it was the first body he put down on his list of activities and at the end of the day cost him his position for putting the town behind everything else he did. Now we have another voted down organisation being thrust upon us and that has also cost many local councillors their position, some will never learn that putting party issues over local issues will bring them down.
David,
If I and the majority of people who voted against a Regional Assemby now find we have one I would call that forcing it onto the voters. If you go to any Borough or District council you will find that under the Leaders appointments the North East Regional Assemby is down for them all and when Bob Fleming was leader of Sedgefield it was the first body he put down on his list of activities and at the end of the day cost him his position for putting the town behind everything else he did. Now we have another voted down organisation being thrust upon us and that has also cost many local councillors their position, some will never learn that putting party issues over local issues will bring them down.
Posted by: John Routledge, Witton Gilbert on 5:22pm Thu 8 May 08
rosiebabie
I am not of any fixed political persuasion but always consider how the controlling authorities as national and local level have performed as a whole and how they have treated the people as a whole. At the present time I do not feel that either government or council have done that very well so maybe a reminder was necessary. From the way that the voting patterns went I think all 126 local councillors
will realise that they will need to deliver to the full satisfaction of the people they represent even if it means not toeing the party line--that is if they are in a party.
rosiebabie
I am not of any fixed political persuasion but always consider how the controlling authorities as national and local level have performed as a whole and how they have treated the people as a whole. At the present time I do not feel that either government or council have done that very well so maybe a reminder was necessary. From the way that the voting patterns went I think all 126 local councillors
will realise that they will need to deliver to the full satisfaction of the people they represent even if it means not toeing the party line--that is if they are in a party.
Posted by: David Lacey, Newcastle on 9:15am Fri 9 May 08
Peter
The EXISTING appointed Regional Assembly was created in 1997. The referendum for a new ELECTED regional Assembly was in 2004. Please understand that the EXISTING body preceded the vote. If you have only just realised that there there has been an Assembly for over 10 years then I'm afraid it shows how poorly informed you are about Regional Government and illustrates how cruelly the "no" campaign misled the public.
Peter
The EXISTING appointed Regional Assembly was created in 1997. The referendum for a new ELECTED regional Assembly was in 2004. Please understand that the EXISTING body preceded the vote. If you have only just realised that there there has been an Assembly for over 10 years then I'm afraid it shows how poorly informed you are about Regional Government and illustrates how cruelly the "no" campaign misled the public.
Posted by: Joan Mctigue, Middlesbrough on 11:52am Fri 9 May 08
How right you are Mr Pattison, politics should be removed from all Town Halls & that way we might see democracy. As you say, many decisions are taken behind closed doors long before actual meetings where they are indeed simply rubber-stamped. The ruling political party decides what the public are going to get and that's that. Cllrs should first & foremost represent the public NOT a political party.
How right you are Mr Pattison, politics should be removed from all Town Halls & that way we might see democracy. As you say, many decisions are taken behind closed doors long before actual meetings where they are indeed simply rubber-stamped. The ruling political party decides what the public are going to get and that's that. Cllrs should first & foremost represent the public NOT a political party.
Posted by: rosiebabie, witton gilbert on 2:29pm Fri 9 May 08
John,
Are you saying that you believe that your County Councillor did not deliver for Witton Gilbert? If so then all I can say to you is ,you cannot live in Witton Gilbert!
John,
Are you saying that you believe that your County Councillor did not deliver for Witton Gilbert? If so then all I can say to you is ,you cannot live in Witton Gilbert!
Posted by: John Routledge, Witton Gilbert on 6:44pm Fri 9 May 08
rosiebabie
Yes I do live in Witton Gilbert and I am not saying that our local County Councillor did not deliver. What I was trying to say was that the party which he was a member of did not deliver. I know Mr. Burlison very well and he was a very good, effective and understanding councillor who was more than helpful to me in my dealings with DCC on matters relating to carers of people with learning disabilities. I am sorry that he did not get elected but not really surprised because the tide was flowing against Labour. Effectively Labour lost 36 per cent of their seats on the council. Unfortunately in such situations the good get swept away with the not so good. This illustrates all that is wrong in having political parties involved in local government. Hopefully our newly elected councillors will be effective in representing us in the more evenly balanced council.
rosiebabie
Yes I do live in Witton Gilbert and I am not saying that our local County Councillor did not deliver. What I was trying to say was that the party which he was a member of did not deliver. I know Mr. Burlison very well and he was a very good, effective and understanding councillor who was more than helpful to me in my dealings with DCC on matters relating to carers of people with learning disabilities. I am sorry that he did not get elected but not really surprised because the tide was flowing against Labour. Effectively Labour lost 36 per cent of their seats on the council. Unfortunately in such situations the good get swept away with the not so good. This illustrates all that is wrong in having political parties involved in local government. Hopefully our newly elected councillors will be effective in representing us in the more evenly balanced council.
Posted by: rosiebabie on 8:42pm Fri 9 May 08
John,
As far as your newly elected Councillors go all I can say is
IN YOUR DREAMS ,JOHN ,IN YOUR DREAMS,
They will be as effective as a chocolate firegaurd!!
John,
As far as your newly elected Councillors go all I can say is
IN YOUR DREAMS ,JOHN ,IN YOUR DREAMS,
They will be as effective as a chocolate firegaurd!!
Posted by: Bob Rudge on 11:30am Sun 11 May 08
It's good that George Burlison is getting his friend submit their sour grape, woo-is-me moaning on his behalf.
Witton, Fram, Pity Me, Brasside and Bearpark can rest assured that they have elected two fine, dedicated local councillors in Mark Wilkes and Rev Crooks.
It's good that George Burlison is getting his friend submit their sour grape, woo-is-me moaning on his behalf.
Witton, Fram, Pity Me, Brasside and Bearpark can rest assured that they have elected two fine, dedicated local councillors in Mark Wilkes and Rev Crooks.
Posted by: John Routledge, Witton Gilbert on 2:01pm Sun 11 May 08
Bob
Your comments are not a fair reflection on Mr. George Burlison.Knowing him as I do he will accept it and carry on helping other people in any way he can.I am equally sure that Mark Wilkes and Rev Crooks will also work hard on behalf of the people they represent.
Bob
Your comments are not a fair reflection on Mr. George Burlison.Knowing him as I do he will accept it and carry on helping other people in any way he can.I am equally sure that Mark Wilkes and Rev Crooks will also work hard on behalf of the people they represent.
Posted by: Joan Mctigue, Middlesbrough on 9:19am Mon 12 May 08
I disagree that voters have simply voted against Brown and not their local politicians; some of them yes, but not all of them. Many voters now realise that no matter what political banner their cllrs stand under, no matter how hard that cllr works for them, they will only get what the ruling Labour party allows them to have.
I disagree that voters have simply voted against Brown and not their local politicians; some of them yes, but not all of them. Many voters now realise that no matter what political banner their cllrs stand under, no matter how hard that cllr works for them, they will only get what the ruling Labour party allows them to have.
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