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1:00am Saturday 28th January 2012 in News
THE Archbishop of York has said Ministers should not overrule the Bible by allowing same-sex marriage and that marriage must remain a union between a man and a woman.
In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, Dr John Sentamu said marriage is set in history and the state cannot change it overnight.
He said: "I don't think it is the role of the state to define what marriage is. It is set in tradition and history and you can't just (change it) overnight, no matter how powerful you are.
"We've seen dictators do it in different contexts and I don't want to redefine very clear social structures that have been in existence for a long time and then overnight the state believes it could go in a particular way.
"It's almost like somebody telling you overnight that the Church, whose job is to worship God (that it will be) an arm of the Armed Forces. They must take arms and fight. You're completely changing tradition."
The Government will open a consultation on the issue in March.
Dr Sentamu said the bishops in the House of Lords did not try to stop Labour introducing civil partnerships in 2004, giving same-sex couples improved legal rights.
He added the Church was also content with last year's move to allow civil partnership ceremonies in places of worship, as long as it is voluntary and agreed by the governing body of any particular denomination.
But Dr Sentamu said the Government would face a rebellion on any changes in legislation on gay civil marriage.
"The rebellion is going to come not only from the bishops. You're going to get it from across the benches and in the Commons.
"If you genuinely would like the registration of civil partnerships to happen in a more general way, most people will say they can see the drift. But if you begin to call those marriage, you're trying to change the English language.
"That does not mean you diminish, condemn, criticise, patronise any same-sex relationships because that is not what the debate is about.
"The Church has always stood out - Jesus actually was the odd man out. I'd rather stick with Jesus than be popular because it looks odd."
Dr Sentamu has previously expressed concern over the gay marriage of homosexual clergy after two reverends exchanged rings and vows at a service held in St Bartholomew the Great Church in the City of London in 2008 In a joint statement with the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams, he said: "Those clergy who disagree with the Church's teaching are at liberty to seek to persuade others within the Church of the reasons why they believe, in the light of Scripture, tradition and reason that it should be changed.
"But they are not at liberty simply to disregard it."
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darloab99
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7:22am Sat 28 Jan 12
barbs151010
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8:11am Sat 28 Jan 12
Mr M
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9:09am Sat 28 Jan 12
CTRILEY
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9:18am Sat 28 Jan 12
barbs151010 wrote:Before it do so what did we have torture, oppression, genocide, slavery, women had virutally no rights, child labour, intolerence, people could be tortured and executed for questioning the churches version of anything.
This country has turned its back on religion, the Bible and God and that is why its in the state it is.
CTRILEY
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9:33am Sat 28 Jan 12
Colcat
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12:19pm Sat 28 Jan 12
MSG
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12:25pm Sat 28 Jan 12
the-big-yin
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1:45pm Sat 28 Jan 12
darloab99 wrote:well said...
You'd think being black that he'd maybe not be so narrow minded and bigoted. He'd maybe look at the bigger picture and accept and forgive. This is basically just a poor attempt by a dying and worthless cult to drum up some business and PR with some controversial opinions. The "Bible" is just a bunch of plagiarised tall tales from history with a fictional "God" central character. It's hardly a book of facts, merely a theological hypothesis that has no factual bearing on modern society. Move aside old man, your views are weak and outdated. It's time to finally turn our back on religion and the animosity and tension it causes. It is THE reason that any conflict has begun in the world. For shame!
Colcat
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2:16pm Sat 28 Jan 12
CTRILEY
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9:02pm Sat 28 Jan 12
GeordieB
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11:16am Sun 29 Jan 12
robbiejay
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8:10pm Sun 29 Jan 12
darloab99 wrote:Well said! The Bible is merely a work of fiction, nothing more. Hopefully religion will die a death in the next few hundred years and then all this fighting can come to an end
You'd think being black that he'd maybe not be so narrow minded and bigoted. He'd maybe look at the bigger picture and accept and forgive. This is basically just a poor attempt by a dying and worthless cult to drum up some business and PR with some controversial opinions. The "Bible" is just a bunch of plagiarised tall tales from history with a fictional "God" central character. It's hardly a book of facts, merely a theological hypothesis that has no factual bearing on modern society. Move aside old man, your views are weak and outdated. It's time to finally turn our back on religion and the animosity and tension it causes. It is THE reason that any conflict has begun in the world. For shame!
cj-dog
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12:37am Mon 30 Jan 12
Thomas Atkins
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12:51pm Mon 30 Jan 12
The Grandmaster
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1:17pm Mon 30 Jan 12
the-big-yin wrote:Eh? Darloab99 and the big yin! Let me know how the fact he is black comes into your thoughts? What's colour got to do with this??? Is it cos I is black aye! Personally I think that Dr John Sentamu has done a excellent job to date - let him express his thoughts regardless if they are right/wrong/narrow minded/bigoted!
darloab99 wrote: You'd think being black that he'd maybe not be so narrow minded and bigoted. He'd maybe look at the bigger picture and accept and forgive. This is basically just a poor attempt by a dying and worthless cult to drum up some business and PR with some controversial opinions. The "Bible" is just a bunch of plagiarised tall tales from history with a fictional "God" central character. It's hardly a book of facts, merely a theological hypothesis that has no factual bearing on modern society. Move aside old man, your views are weak and outdated. It's time to finally turn our back on religion and the animosity and tension it causes. It is THE reason that any conflict has begun in the world. For shame!well said...
fraggle1
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4:30pm Mon 30 Jan 12
kristal27
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5:53pm Mon 30 Jan 12
kristal27
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5:59pm Mon 30 Jan 12
antagonist1
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11:30pm Mon 30 Jan 12
the-big-yin
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10:53am Tue 31 Jan 12
The Grandmaster wrote:it would not matter if he was black ..grey ...pink ...yellow or green ....what he is saying is a load of ****....he should not be saying these things, whilst everyone has a right to free speech, being in his position he should think before he unleashes ridiculous comments..what is wrong with gay and lesbian marriages...NOTHING!
the-big-yin wrote:Eh? Darloab99 and the big yin! Let me know how the fact he is black comes into your thoughts? What's colour got to do with this??? Is it cos I is black aye! Personally I think that Dr John Sentamu has done a excellent job to date - let him express his thoughts regardless if they are right/wrong/narrow minded/bigoted!
darloab99 wrote: You'd think being black that he'd maybe not be so narrow minded and bigoted. He'd maybe look at the bigger picture and accept and forgive. This is basically just a poor attempt by a dying and worthless cult to drum up some business and PR with some controversial opinions. The "Bible" is just a bunch of plagiarised tall tales from history with a fictional "God" central character. It's hardly a book of facts, merely a theological hypothesis that has no factual bearing on modern society. Move aside old man, your views are weak and outdated. It's time to finally turn our back on religion and the animosity and tension it causes. It is THE reason that any conflict has begun in the world. For shame!well said...
kristal27
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10:54am Tue 31 Jan 12
antagonist1 wrote:thats the other lot is'nt it ? Archbishop is Church of England - at least they let thoer vicars get married. The Catholic lot are the worst hypocrits - they don't even want woman priests cos its less fresh young boys for the old priests ;-)
they all bum each other anyway.
antagonist1
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2:26pm Tue 31 Jan 12
doonhamer
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3:41pm Tue 31 Jan 12
CTRILEY
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4:02pm Tue 31 Jan 12
CTRILEY
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4:20pm Tue 31 Jan 12
doonhamer
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4:40pm Tue 31 Jan 12
doonhamer
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5:06pm Tue 31 Jan 12
CTRILEY
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9:37pm Tue 31 Jan 12
CTRILEY
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10:11pm Tue 31 Jan 12
CTRILEY
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10:29pm Tue 31 Jan 12
CTRILEY wrote:By the way there is an intended error within this (ask the Banks if your educational limitations hinder you from hazarding an intellectual guess).
Doonhamer, is quoting the opening stanza from the German National anthem supposed to impress anyone or form the basis for an intelligent counter argument? It was you who took the subject off course by bringing up Hitler (Das Fuhrer, the Leader), the 3rd Reich (Das Reich, the Empire) and the Waffen SS (Waffen Schutzstaffel, “Armed SS” or more accurately "Armed Protective Squadron"). What you perceive as my so called "educational limitations" do not hinder me from knowing that those who resort to derisory comments do so to sound big and to detract from their own intellectual and educational failings.
Ahoy Tiny Crisp
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10:31am Wed 1 Feb 12
Mr M wrote:so do...erm....Mr M
What darloab99 says.......
To build our laws around superstition and a book of fairy stories has no place in 2012.
Some people are Gay. Get over it and worry about the important things like poverty, global warming, wars, greedy bankers, I could go on.
JohnSmith2
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5:22pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Thomas Atkins wrote:The main point though is not to change these people's opinions but to stop their opinions from denying other people the same basic civil rights as everyone else.
Although it's now unfashionable to have such opinions and, looking at some of the comments here, very unwise to suggest such things - the fact remains that there are some people (yes I know, bigots, homophobes, dinosaurs etc. etc.) who genuinely believe that homosexuality is wrong. No amount of legislation or opinion to the contrary will change that. Get used to it.
the-big-yin
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3:12pm Thu 2 Feb 12
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