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Crimewave fears over police cuts

POLICE could be forced to ignore some 999 calls as proposed budget cuts of 25 per cent give a “green light to murderers and rapists”, police representatives from the region warned last night.

According to North Yorkshire Police Federation, serious criminals would “rub their hands in gratitude” if the Government slashed police funding in next month’s comprehensive spending review.

Mark Botham, chairman of the North Yorkshire branch, warned that the cuts could lead to the destruction of policing as the public knew it, with forces unable to respond to crimes such as burglary and theft.

Mr Botham spoke out as national police federation bosses warned that up to 40,000 police officers could go across the country if funding cuts of 25 per cent went ahead. Paul McKeever, the federation’s chairman, warned that the cuts, coupled with Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke’s desire to see more offenders dealt with in the community rather than with short-term prison sentences, would be a “volatile mix”.

He said specialist departments – including those involved with child protection and domestic violence – would disappear as resources were diverted to calls needing emergency responses. “Our officers are telling us the most vulnerable in society will be hit the hardest,” he added.

Mr Botham pointed to police in the US city of Oakland as an example. The force has recently stopped responding to reports of burglary, theft and vandalism because of a shortage of money.

“This may become a grim reality and the consequences of cuts,” he said, adding: “Crime is likely to increase at all levels as the service struggles to deal with increasing demand – a green light to murderers, rapists and other serious offenders who will rub their hands in gratitude to the Government.

“We may need to renegotiate a new social contract with the communities we serve as we will not be able to do everything that we currently do.”

According to the federation, Durham and Cleveland forces would be among the worst affected by the cuts. Cleveland was predicted to lose 160 officers, while Durham is facing cuts of £23.5m.

Andrew Metcalfe, chairman of the Durham Police Federation, said it was unavoidable that performances would slip if cuts were as deep as predicted.

“In Durham, we have already lost a number of officers over the past three years – from about 1,700 to 1,460 – and there’s little else we can trim,” he said.

A spokesman for Durham Police said: “We’ve already indicated that some police staff jobs will go, but we cannot confirm numbers at this time.

“Whatever the outcome of the Government’s spending review, we will continue to provide an effective policing service to the people of County Durham and Darlington and will retain those police staff jobs which support that commitment.”

Cleveland Police said it was determined to maintain frontline services by maintaining officer numbers and developing a partnership arrangement with support services group Steria, which will run its back office operations.

However, North Yorkshire Chief Constable Grahame Maxwell, the Association of Chief Police Officers’ lead for finance and resources, last night admitted that frontline services across the country would be affected by the cuts.

He said: “The reality is that the scale of cuts currently being discussed is so significant that ‘protecting the frontline’ cannot mean ‘maintaining the frontline at current levels’.

“We will need honest conversations with politicians and the public about what services policing continues to deliver and what stops.”

His warning came as Hampshire Constabulary announced it would axe 1,400 posts, including hundreds of police officers, as it cuts about a fifth of its workforce in a bid to make £70m-worth of savings over the next four years.

One national estimate found 60,000 frontline and civilian jobs in the police service would be at risk if the cuts went ahead at 25 per cent.

Mr McKeever said he was “surprised”

that the police were not in the lower bracket of cuts.

He blamed “bad advice” from the Home Office and think-tanks which suggested that big enough savings could be made through efficiencies to justify a 25 per cer cut.

The Home Office said future funding for the police would be decided by the spending review, which is due to report in October.

A spokesman said the Government’s priority was to cut the deficit and get the economy moving again.

Comments(18)

Trial and Error says...
9:30am Sat 11 Sep 10

The destruction of Policing as the public knows it might be a good thing as we never see Police Policing any more, they are too busy parking in Tesco disabled bays.

Dean M says...
2:22pm Sat 11 Sep 10

I agree Nick, very misinformed. It was Asda.
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I do like the 'green light to rapists and murderers' comment attributed to the police trade union, in the article. Labour has gone lads, please stop the silly spin and focus on the challenges ahead.

Big Dave says...
3:02pm Sat 11 Sep 10

...I laughed at that one Dean! How it can be a good thing though Trial is beyond me- whatever their faults (and we all agree there are many, not least parking in disabled bays, eh?) things would be immeasurably worse without them. Besides which, given the standards of policing around the world, I think ours are amongst the best in doing a difficult job in ever increasingly difficult circumstances

Andyleigh says...
5:27pm Sat 11 Sep 10

More scaremongering. Cuts are unavoidable and all services have to shoulder their share of the burden. No one is a special case.

Daza says...
5:36pm Sat 11 Sep 10

Andyleigh wrote:
More scaremongering. Cuts are unavoidable and all services have to shoulder their share of the burden. No one is a special case.
Until you decide that you would like the Police to come and sort out some of your 'problems'

The public are about to get the Police Service they deserve!

Constant whining and sniping in the press towards Police etc. The public at large do not desercve a decent Police Force

st-george1 says...
6:03pm Sat 11 Sep 10

Andyleigh wrote:
More scaremongering. Cuts are unavoidable and all services have to shoulder their share of the burden. No one is a special case.
In Feb 2010, the Labour government announced plans to cut 28,000 police jobs because of there super overtime culture costing £500 million and growing and were afraid to do something ...
- In Jan this year a report showed us that crooked cops were breaking laws they should have been enforcing...
- 1000,s of police officers with criminal records are still in their jobs...
- Britains police forces are among the least effective in the developed world according to one Guardian & Newcastle Uni report...

Time to get real just like the rest of us and start by sacking these officers and the finance bosses for failing to manage operational costs for years as well as allowing football clubs to owe them £hundreds of thousands year after year for policing the games.
It is all a case of scaremongering ...
Some police rep from the region warning that 'cuts' would give a green light to murderers and rapists !
All during the Labour 13 years many forces were mis-reporting crimes with some forces reportedly not recording 50% of reported crimes and then dropping half of the recorded crimes because they would not get a 'target result'
Looks like there is lots of room to reduce staffing numbers based on their crime stats lies.

The destruction of policing has in my view been self inflicted.

loan_star says...
6:07pm Sat 11 Sep 10

If they started locking criminals up for decent lengths of time instead of slapping their wrists then we wont need as many police as more criminals would be where they belong, behind bars!! So what if they have to squeeze 4 or more in a cell, its their own fault for commiting a crime anyway.

Trial and Error says...
6:11pm Sat 11 Sep 10

Nick Scott wrote:
What a silly, misinformed and immature comment. Our police do a good job under difficult circumstances.
A bit like yours Nick when talking about Travellers, Except mine was true apart from mixing up Tesco with Asda, how silly of me I shall rap my own knuckles for getting so blatantly wrong.

Super steve says...
9:44am Sun 12 Sep 10

Apart from people living in towns, exactly how will we be able to tell if they have gone?.

BTW How excactly do they "" Prevent"" Robberies and Rapes and Burglaries and Thefts etc ? I'm 53 and the only time I've seen cops providing a deterent value is at sports and music events.

Which gets back to my original comment " How will we know if they have gone?"

Dean M says...
11:31am Sun 12 Sep 10

Nick Scott wrote:
Trial and Error wrote:
Nick Scott wrote: What a silly, misinformed and immature comment. Our police do a good job under difficult circumstances.
A bit like yours Nick when talking about Travellers, Except mine was true apart from mixing up Tesco with Asda, how silly of me I shall rap my own knuckles for getting so blatantly wrong.
Yes, that would be a good idea, carry on.
Yes, it would. Every little helps.

Trial and Error says...
11:58am Sun 12 Sep 10

Super steve wrote:
Apart from people living in towns, exactly how will we be able to tell if they have gone?. BTW How excactly do they "" Prevent"" Robberies and Rapes and Burglaries and Thefts etc ? I'm 53 and the only time I've seen cops providing a deterent value is at sports and music events. Which gets back to my original comment " How will we know if they have gone?"
You wouldnt be able to tell and they dont prevent crime they just sit back and wait for it to happen then try for a few days to find the culprit, If they cant find them theres always pinning it on someone innocent so they can say they solved the crime.
Simples !!

Super steve says...
3:25pm Sun 12 Sep 10

In many Countys the last time I checked, and for once I admit it was a couple of years ago , the average crime detection rate was as low as 9% and not higher than 23% in England and Wales County Constabularies.

How does that make life safer?

Over 5 years ago during the times of plenty It was annouced that due to service reviews that rural police officers were being redeployed to the towns and cities as it was MORE COST EFFECTIVE. Yet even those same officers admitted that the most vulnerable in society were the people living in rural communities.

So even when they were well funded they still stabbed the most vulnerable in the back themselves.

Like I said before, for millions of people living outside the big towns " How the hell will we know they have gone? "

I only ever see them with any regularity helping Customs and Excise and VOSA on the main roads. NEVER patroling or interacting in rural communities.

Edmondsley says...
12:39am Mon 13 Sep 10

Congratulations Super Steve You avoided the"Red Diesel" words

*shakes head slowly* says...
11:42am Mon 13 Sep 10

Once again people are deliberately confusing visibility with effectiveness when it come to the police force.
The chances of someone commiting any action depends on the antecedent, behaviour and consequence of that action. In other words, if there is no deterrent to a criminal act, no difficulty in performing the act and no policeman arreting you and prosecuting you, then the chances of performing that behaviour are high.
If, on the other hand, there is a deterrent, crimes are hard to carry out and the police are going to catch you, then there is only a small chance of that action taking place.
If you KNEW you were going to get caught, you would NEVER commit a crime.
All this to say that everyone in the UK, not just those in big towns, would miss 40,000 coppers as soon as the scallies twigged that they would not get caught by these minus 40k police!
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And to then complain that the detection rate is too low BEFORE we lose these 40 thousand!!! Worth a LOL from anybody that one!!! LOLLLLL!!!

*shakes head slowly* says...
11:17am Wed 15 Sep 10

Nick Scott wrote:
"In other words, if there is no deterrent to a criminal act, no difficulty in performing the act and no policeman arreting you and prosecuting you, then the chances of performing that behaviour are high." . Not necessarily. There have been many studies on the deterrent effect, most of the evidence points to deterrence not actually working. This is due principally to the fact that a criminal is not using the norms of societal thinking when he commits a crime. . What I mean by this in simplistic terms is that criminals don't think they will get caught when they commit crimes, ergo there is no such thing as an effective deterrent. . What we will see is likely to be a fall in the amount of crime detected and fall in convictions IF front-line police numbers drop, but no overall increase in the actual amount of crime committed. . Criminals are criminals regardless of the consequences. The real challenge is prevention, the sceond chllenge convictions and lecking them away from the rest of us.
You say 'there have been many studies on the deterrent effect' and then ignore them completely to make up your own theory!!! LOL!!!
No, Nick, we will see a dramatic increase in crime when folks realise there are no repercussions to their actions.
You are confusing the criminally insane with opportunist theives. The one will perform in an antisocial way regardless of the circumstance and the other is a small-time coward who might try a garage door handle.
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Imagine there were no police at all - would you expect a rise or drop in criminal activity?
Now imagine we all had a police office assigned to monitor our activities - rise or drop?
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So obviously the number of police has a deterrent effect.
What's going to be the situation with less officers stopping and fining those using red diesel, that's what I want to know...LOL!!!

*shakes head slowly* says...
11:06pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Yeah yeah - I'll steal you some books on behavioural science - or give you my old ones from uni!!! LOLL!!!!!
But then you'd be in danger of learning something, so best not, eh?

*shakes head slowly* says...
10:12am Thu 16 Sep 10

Nick, pretending to have done 'research' on this subject and being privy to 'the perceived criminological wisdom of present thinking' makes you sound like a right twonk!!!!
I studied behavioural science at degree level and can say without doubt that you are a total fraud and know nothing about this subject.
Google ABC and see for yourself how far off the mark you are and stop being so daft - or try an easier lie, like saying you can speak a foreign language that you don't!!! LOLLL!!!

*shakes head slowly* says...
11:17am Thu 16 Sep 10

How do you say transparent fraud' in chinese, Nick? LOLLL!!!!

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