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The Forum music centre likely to close


TOWNSPEOPLE are rallying round to try to save a popular music centre which could close because of credit difficulties.

The Forum music centre, in Darlington, looks likely to shut in September because it has been unable to obtain an unsecured loan from the council for £80,000.

The loan would mean the centre, which is used by thousands of people every month, could access £110,000 of funding from regional development agency One North East.

But in the current financial climate, the council said it is unable to offer the loan without it being secured After news of the impending closure became public yesterday, a Facebook campaign attracted more than 1,000 members, a petition is being organised and a fundraising gig and CD are also planned.

The music centre, in Borough Road, was opened in 2004 by Dave Cox.

It provides low-cost rehearsal and recording space and, as a live venue, attracts bands from across the country.

Although it is a private company, Mr Cox has always run it as a social enterprise.

Plans were under way for the Forum to become part of Humantics, a community interest company, whose board members include Mr Cox, Peter Barron, the Editor of The Northern Echo, David Heaton, the former principal of Queen Elizabeth Sixth College, and Allison McKay, who ran a talent agency in Darlington.

Humantics would operate on a not-for-profit basis with surplus money being used to expand the arts in Darlington and the surrounding area.

Plans were also in hand for the Forum to become the first base in the country for a Yamaha Music and Technical Skills Centre, and also the centre for a community interest company’s regional office.

Before this could happen, an £80,000 secured loan which Mr Cox had with the council would need to be transferred to Humantics.

However, the council has said although it can provide the loan on a secured basis, with Mr Cox’s house as security should Humantics default on repayment, it is unable to provide an unsecured loan.

Mr Cox said: “This is not just about Dave Cox and the Forum These buildings are used by all sorts of people, particularly young people, from all sectors of society, across all generations and genres, everything from brass bands to punk rock.

“We’ve never cost the taxpayer anything. I’ve put many thousands of pounds of my own money into this.

“This loan that will be repaid with interest and will also trigger £110,000 of funding.

“The council has said it can’t risk an unsecured loan, but can it risk us closing?”

The centre attracts between 3,000 and 4,000 people every month and some of the bands to have played include leading punk band 999, fronted by Nick Cash, as well as ska bands Bad Manners, featuring Buster Bloodvessel, The Beat and Neville Staple from ska band the Specials.

Martin Wood, was one of the founders of New Blood Live, a young people’s music charity, which holds gigs every fortnight for 250 people featuring local bands.

He said: “I know from my own children, and from the young people, that there’s nowhere else in Darlington for them to go. Young bands need somewhere to play “Before the Forum came along there was no music scene to speak of in Darlington, now there must be about 100 bands in town.”

Darlington MP Jenny Chapman, who also helped set up New Blood Live, said: “It would be sad to see the Forum close and I hope that the council can consider this decision in the context of the support that it gives to leisure and culture in Darlington.

“I’m not aware that a formal decision has been made on this and I’ll be seeking a meeting with the leader of the council to try to establish for sure what the council’s intention is.”

Council leader, Councillor John Williams said: “The council has worked closely with The Forum providing funding, premises, specialist advice and support with obtaining additional funding.

“I personally regret that the national financial climate makes it impossible for the council to do more. We are keen to continue to work with David and others to see if a model for a community interest company can be made to work in the future and see the revival of the venue.”


Comments(22)

Bambooflyrod says...
10:02am Sat 3 Jul 10

Shocking decision by DBC. Hang your heads in shame. For 6 years this has proved to be a viable proposition yet you are determined to pull the plug. Not only is it viable financially, it has helped thousands of young people giving help and inspiration, direction and entertainment.

Dave Cox should be commended for his work and is a beacon far outshining our spineless Council.

DeliveredDaily says...
10:04am Sat 3 Jul 10

£80,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to what the council has wasted over the years. This sounds like another John Williams autocratic decision rather than having debate within the democratic process.

The Forum makes an excellent contribution to providing services for young people; surely Williams can see this?

Come on Cllr Williams, brush your prejudices aside and cough up ... It's election year next year!

Ian James says...
12:39pm Sat 3 Jul 10

The Forum is the coolest place in town and it does a brilliant job helping young people with their music and up and coming bands. Also, it provides brilliant nights out for people with tribute bands and comedy nights and honestly, you can't go wrong for being entertained with live music and comedy for less than a tenner a person.
What the council nees to do instead, is stop paying for that blues n booze crap every year in the town centre coz people are bored of that and what that costs to hold every year would keep the Forum going for a few years. So, come on DBC have a word with yourselves and give yeh heads a shake!!!

Ian James says...
12:39pm Sat 3 Jul 10

The Forum is the coolest place in town and it does a brilliant job helping young people with their music and up and coming bands. Also, it provides brilliant nights out for people with tribute bands and comedy nights and honestly, you can't go wrong for being entertained with live music and comedy for less than a tenner a person.
What the council nees to do instead, is stop paying for that blues n booze crap every year in the town centre coz people are bored of that and what that costs to hold every year would keep the Forum going for a few years. So, come on DBC have a word with yourselves and give yeh heads a shake!!!

Jolly Roger says...
12:48pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Remember Darlington Council you are supposed to be representing the people of the Town giving them what they want, and on this occasion you do not seem to be doing this.


£80,000 is nothing compared with what you have spent on the Ring Road and pedestrainisation of the town centre, so dip you hands into you pocket and give the people of the town this winderful place for the youngsters of today, as it does keep them off the streets.

And remember also this will be brought up again next yer around election time.

melwilson says...
1:10pm Sat 3 Jul 10

SIGN THE PETITION!!
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http://www.thepetiti
onsite.com/6/save-th
e-forum
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The town needs a venue like this, particularly as it gives young kids something to do and an outlet for their talents.
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Shame on Darlo council if they let this happen, disgraceful

Izitme? says...
2:02pm Sat 3 Jul 10

So many reasons why The Forum should stay open It is unique and well-used by Darlington people of all ages but especially offers lots to young people.Live music is less to be found in the towns pubs due to licensing laws, anyway not available to under 18`s when it is. If the place closed,it would be another target for vandalism. Such a waste of all the effort David Cox has put in.He saw a need and tried to provide for it, more than Council do very well.
SHAME on DBC .So much for all their spin on "supporting young people" and listening to what ratepayers want.What about a contribution from The Mayors Social fund as a gesture of goodwill Mr Williams?
Anyway £80.000 is a drop in the ocean from their budget compared to some of DBC`s Big Spends.....as we all know.

bingbong says...
3:45pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Although this is a sad and unpopular decision it is a sign of the times in which we find ourselves. We all know there's no money left and that local councils are going to have to make massive cutbacks. It is going to come down to deciding what is an essential service, and unfortunately, this is not an essential service. £80,000 may seem like a relatively small sum of money in the scheme of things but the reality is that's is has come down to saving every penny.

I donlt think it's unreasonable for the council to say it will only offer the loan on a secured basis. A bank would say the same if Mr Cox went there for the money.

Aeriel says...
4:56pm Sat 3 Jul 10

Darlo council is full of nothing but 'jobs for the boys' pats on the back no-marks. 80k is nothing compared to what they shell on other stuff as people have said. The forum is a great place and offers something for young and old(er) alike, extremely important and I agree, better than forking out for the booze & blues stuff that they put on & folk get bored of. Why not pay it from getting rid of one of the dead wood at the council, one of the bosses who probably gets paid more than that for doing next to nothing.

Musicvoice says...
6:17pm Sat 3 Jul 10

As much as The Forum is being praised as a community venture, it is still a private business enterprise and therefore not a social enterprise.

The attempts for this commercial leopard to change its spots, which the Humantics CIC represents, is not without controversy, as there are several other music support and development businesses and practitioners operating in Darlington, which this publicly funded development would ultimately marginalise and force out of the marketplace.

As much as The Forum has provided a commercial music facility in Darlington, it is neither the first nor the only music provider, music studio or venue to have offered valuable support to Darlington's young musicians.

DBC therefore needs to be completely even-handed and fair and in particular avoid using the public purse to assist one music business above another. Any assistance or financial support provided via this campaign should assist all music businesses in the town.

lauren.e.cox says...
1:07pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Dont be fooled by 'this David'... It's small minded people like this who put a stop to anything good and genuine. The Forum was set up and kept going for all the right reasons and everyone has benifited from it other than David Cox himself! As for 'trying to stop the Forum pulling on his purse strings' THERES NO MONEY! That's why. Thats why theres this article, thats why hes been in the public eye, thats why the Forum can't work to its full potential, thats why there are going to be demonstrations, why there is a petition...
THAT IS WHY anybody who has been or knows of the good the Forum has done needs to stand up and make it clear that there has been an injustice.
People wonder why no one in their 20s stay in Darlington, its because theres nothing here, nothings changing and no one has any ambition. So theres no new blood or ideas. David does and this makes people wary and suspicious! Why can't it just be accepted that there ARE decent people out there who DO want to make a difference, without trying getting rich in the process.
I'm Davids daughter, and I believe in everything my parents have done.
I let you know who I am, not because of publicity stunts (maybe you think it runs in the family?) but because sometimes you just have to stand up for what you believe in.

Crafter says...
1:50pm Sun 4 Jul 10

There's so many other places in Darlington supporting young musicians ??? Exactly where are they ? I'd really like to know. Are they the organisations that charge huge fees annually for their support ? Where are the rehearsal spaces. The one at the Art Centre was closed years ago as were the Rock Nights and Hydrogen Jukebox.

It really will be a bad thing to happen to the active musicians of Darlington for The Forum to close. They will be really struggling to find somewhere else to go that is so supportive and affordable.

The Forum stands on the brink of a major step forward, so I really hope that Darlington BC revise their actions. It is a loan after all, not a handout. Come on DBC, give The Forum and local musicians a chance. Remember, the young musicians of this town are of voting age now, or will be soon. They need your support as you will need theirs.

gramps427 says...
1:55pm Sun 4 Jul 10

The Forum has been backed by DBC and the Echo for as long as it has been open; its done well for a lot of young people but you have to ask why Mr Cox needs the Council to lend him the money, if as everyone says that this is a viable private business. I admit to having thought this was already a CIC (community initiative company) not that it was still on the back burner. Have the various banks in town been approached? Barclays have always had an interest in the town's interest and aims; not only has one of its employees had a big influence on various committees, chairing some even, but this is also the home of one of the three banks who got together to make Barclay's. Perhaps its ethos of being non-profit making is harming its ability to meet its aim. The act of creating a CIC is fairly easy so why it has taken so long is anyone's guess, perhaps Humantics or even Yamaha could help by offering to be security for the loan? After all they are spposed to be the future for the Forum. Whatever happens I wish Mr Cox some good luck in his endevour, I know from experience how hard it is to get funding for something that can change peoples lives.

scuzz says...
2:26pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Simple fact - There are no other band rehearsal facilities in Darlo. The council SHOULD be providing these services as part of the Arts centre but dont, (how much did that sculpture outside the arts centre cost?). Thats why the Forum was set up. Thats why the Forum should recieve DBC's help.

robsonj says...
4:56pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Lauren, You have shown the fact your just a little bit ignorant by calling me a "small minded person". Where do your people values come from? Are all the people who dont want to loan you their money small minded people too?
Quite simply, if its a non profit making organisation then there is too much of a risk for banks or the council to make a go of it.
If the money is so certain to come back, then why doesnt David use his home for the short term equity value? Remortgage? Bridging loan? Business Link? Any one of these options are open if you are in a position to PROVE that the money is going to come back to you as a certainty. Theres plenty of options here without going to go cap in hand to the council.
Small minded person... Sounds like i know more about this right then you do.
Ive got nothing against the purpose of the forum, i hope it succeeds but the fact is David has been quite openly hoping someone will buy/take over this business for some time now. If David doesnt want to be around the business in the long term then no wonder he cant get the backing.
Dont go pointing your finger at the council if its a way out you want.
All the best to the forum, with or without your family.

Crafter says...
5:49pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Quote : If the money is so certain to come back, then why doesnt David use his home for the short term equity value? Remortgage? Bridging loan? Business Link?


I was under the impression that he already had. Maybe that was just a rumour ?

Jonn says...
8:01pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Poor Darlington Borough Council, getting it in the neck again. I'm sure our great town leaders thoroughly considered every possible option, as always, before agonisingly pulling the plug on 80 grand for the ONLY vibrant cultural venue in town, The Forum.
I mean, look at the ingenious thought that must have gone into the descision where to set up a Needle Exchange for the poor heroine addicts. Lets put it right next door to a Childrens Nursery. (98% of the needles get returned!).
What about the tough financial descision to make before going ahead with chucking 100,000 plants at the towns roundabouts.
The millions spent on the ill designed Darlington College to house the badly behaved chavs that the towns schools can't cope with. (At least The Forum gave initiative, to the young especially and accomodate those willing to do something worthwhile).
The couple of million spent on the Dolphin Centre refurb (a glass staircase and a 'european' changing room).
Although we do have the 'Arts Centre' and it's grand kinetic water feature. Badly run, unwelcoming and staff don't care a less. How much must that place be subsidised?
Oh, and by the way. The best gig I ever witnessed was at The Forum. A legendary 60's band called 'Love' played there a couple of years ago. I'll never forget that night. Nowhere, anywhere in the town will top that.
Do what you can to support the campaign to keep The Forum open.
This town will be far worse off without it (but will be better off without most of the overpaid councillors)

Alan Macnab says...
8:45pm Sun 4 Jul 10

I support the campaign to keep The Forum Music Centre open.

It would be wrong and a retrograde step if The Forum. Music Centre were to close. My eldest son uses The Forum and I know how popular it is with young people.

Darlington needs more facilities for young people like The Forum, not less. Young people need somewhere where they can foster and develop their musical talents, be inspired by the artists who come to play there, where they can enjoy themselves in a safe environment and at a price the they can afford. Where will the young people go if it closes?

I have urged Darlington Borough Council to develop a music strategy for young people where The Forum should form an integral part. The music strategy should also include founding a scholarship to give music students financial support to further their careers and to help them with course fees, music lessons, buying sheet music or musical instruments.

The Forum is too valuable an asset to lose and the music experiences of young people would be considerably diminished if it closed. We must not let that happen.

Crafter says...
11:32pm Sun 4 Jul 10

Actually, the Art Centre was the first to support young musicians. This was the Active Music project in the late 70's. It brought in lots of Indie bands and there was some excellent local talent too with Dan, The Prams, Magic Bastards, Blind Mole Rat, to name but a few. Some of the gang are still about. Over the years they passed the torch to The Forum which was pretty good as the two venues complimented each other well. They still do. I would hate to see either go.

I suppose that these places are the easy targets when money gets tight. It's a shame when it all comes down to money. Maybe there is another way to go here. DBC are supposed to be still working with The Forum to seek options. Fingers crossed.

Musicvoice says...
9:56pm Mon 5 Jul 10

Re-reading this article, it says that Mr Cox's business already has this £80,000 loan with the council, which is already secured against his own house.

The council is understandably unwilling about changing the status of the loan by transferring it to Humantics CIC, and rightly so, as it would effectively take on the risk.

Just what DBC was thinking in giving out such a loan to a private business owner is another issue.

So it's really about bailing out Mr Cox whose private company The Forum has the lease on the Borough Road Music Centre building.

It looks murky and it is.

The lofty words about 'the kids' and music's benefits are merely a smokescreen deployed to confuse the kids and music loving townspeople.

Worth noting that some emerging independent music promoters in the town were driven away by The Forum's £200 per night venue hire fees. There are other venues which don't demand 'pay to play' fees.

Seen and Inside Out are two examples of such venues, which welcomes those promoters. They are also businesses, who would be threatened by a super funded organisation like Humantics CIC.

freebow says...
7:43am Tue 6 Jul 10

Darlington Council have msde a perfectly responsible decision on this occasion.

Musicvoice says...
8:11pm Sun 11 Jul 10

So it appears the wool has been well and truly pulled over the campaign supporters' eyes.

The story of DBC 'refusing to loan' and 'The Forum will close' is a false flag, triggering popular outcry, and providing a smokescreen for some eztremely dodgy dealing between council, Forum and Humantics CIC.

Suddenly Humantics is 'the Community Interest Company behind The Forum'..

When did this happen? The Forum was a private business, but suddenly it is a lovely community friendly CIC and has swiftly done a deal, meaning it won't have to close at all.

In May 2008, David Cox denied a CIC was being formed, claiming commercial privilege. It now transpires he was already in deep discussion with DBC about this plan, but was Keen to conceal it. This is what he wrote:

From: David Cox <david@theforumonlin
e.co.uk>
"I'm not sure where you are coming from on this.
 
The Forum Music Centre is a PRIVATE business and would not be discussing any matters with outside parties.
 
What, exactly is it that you have heard we are setting up? Who is giving you this advice? At this moment there is only speculation regarding this matter. "
(14 May 2008 14:13:43)

Now it is clear that secret deals and PR sleight of hand have won the day, is the public demonstration to SAVE THE FORUM, still really necessary?

It's been in the bag the whole time.


PUNK HERO: Nick Cash, of 999, performs at the Forum in April 2006 BIG HIT: Drum session with Matt Cowley this year

PUNK HERO: Nick Cash, of 999, performs at the Forum in April 2006

BIG HIT: Drum session with Matt Cowley this year



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