Student union apologises over BNP claim

EXPLANATION: National Union of Students president Wes Streeting addresses Durham University students in the debating chamber in Palace Green last night about the cancellation of a debate involving the BNP

EXPLANATION: National Union of Students president Wes Streeting addresses Durham University students in the debating chamber in Palace Green last night about the cancellation of a debate involving the BNP

First published in News The Northern Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter (Durham)

A STUDENTS’ union president has apologised after his officers appeared to suggest in a letter that a debate featuring two BNP politicians could lead to violence.

Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students (NUS), said the letter was unacceptable, utterly ridiculous and those responsible had been asked to account for their actions.

Mr Streeting was speaking at a meeting of the Durham Union Society (DUS), in the debating chamber, in Palace Green, Durham, last night.

He planned the forum after thousands of students joined an internet campaign protesting against the cancellation of DUS’ multiculturalism debate, planned for Friday.

Durham University Students for Freedom of Speech are furious at the letter sent to the DUS, Durham Students’ Union and Durham University by Bellavia Ribeiro-Addy, the NUS’ black students officer, and Daf Adley, the NUS’ lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender officer.

The letter warned of a “colossal demonstration” if the debate went ahead, with coach loads of students being bussed into Durham.

“If any students are hurt in and around this event, responsibility will lie with you,” they wrote.

Shortly afterwards, the DUS called off the debate on safety grounds.

About 300 students attended last night’s meeting. There were BNP members and police outside. Mr Streeting was verbally abused as he arrived but the event passed peacefully.

Paul Nicholls, from Durham University Students for Freedom of Speech, accused the NUS of bullying.

Mr Streeting said the NUS did not want the BNP to have a platform on university campuses.

But he added: “Had I seen that statement (the letter) before, I would not have left the building. It was an appalling error and ultimately self-defeating.”

He admitted that students were “massively, monumentally” upset at the NUS.

Friday’s debate had been due to feature Kulveer Ranger, an advisor to Boris Johnson, Conservative MP Edward Leigh, BNP MEP Andrew Brons and Chris Beverley, a BNP councillor in Leeds.

Unite Against Fascism had vowed the prevent the debate going ahead.

The BNP said its cancellation meant the enemies of free speech had won the day.

University registrar Carolyn Fowler said: “The university supports the right to freedom of expression on campus in line with its code of practice and we respect the decision of our students to demonstrate peacefully.”

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10:54am Wed 10 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

Let's look at the bigger picture here. The Labour party has deliberately swamped GB with immigrants;
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And now the Labour party funded UAF prevent us from talking about it through threats of violence. This is a very dangerous situation. I only hope that it has served to expose who the real fascists are - Not the BNP as the weak minded British have been brainwashed to believe!
Let's look at the bigger picture here. The Labour party has deliberately swamped GB with immigrants; http://www.telegraph .co.uk/comment/teleg raph-view/7199457/Th e-deceit-of-Labours- immigration-policy.h tml And now the Labour party funded UAF prevent us from talking about it through threats of violence. This is a very dangerous situation. I only hope that it has served to expose who the real fascists are - Not the BNP as the weak minded British have been brainwashed to believe! Mark Walker
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12:26pm Wed 10 Feb 10

st-george1 says...

In my view it is time to ban the organised enemies of free speech, the select group of officers of the National Union of Students and the Unite against Fascism groups everywhere in Britain because of their allegiance to an ever-more untrustworthy nuLabour ruling government.
Students appear to be the new pawns of political interference in Britain.
In my view it is time to ban the organised enemies of free speech, the select group of officers of the National Union of Students and the Unite against Fascism groups everywhere in Britain because of their allegiance to an ever-more untrustworthy nuLabour ruling government. Students appear to be the new pawns of political interference in Britain. st-george1
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2:01pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Super steve says...

For the life of me I can not see why the BNP needed to attend this meeting as its remit is solely for the benefit of the students. No one needed to be present except Durham Students and the NUS President.
For the life of me I can not see why the BNP needed to attend this meeting as its remit is solely for the benefit of the students. No one needed to be present except Durham Students and the NUS President. Super steve
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2:08pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Super Steve... The BNP attended this gathering because if it was not for the BNP it would not have taken place. We were standing shoulder to shoulder with the students in support of free speech. This type of fascist behaviour from the Government funded unions and UAF must stop!
Super Steve... The BNP attended this gathering because if it was not for the BNP it would not have taken place. We were standing shoulder to shoulder with the students in support of free speech. This type of fascist behaviour from the Government funded unions and UAF must stop! Adam Walker
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2:10pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

Steve, the 4 BNP members there (including myself) were all former students and therefore former members of the NUS. We were not there in a BNP capacity and simply mingled with the students. However, as we were about 20 yrs older than everyone else we were soon rumbled and agreed to be interviewed by Palatinate, their student newspaper. A very interesting experience and a show of solidarity.
Steve, the 4 BNP members there (including myself) were all former students and therefore former members of the NUS. We were not there in a BNP capacity and simply mingled with the students. However, as we were about 20 yrs older than everyone else we were soon rumbled and agreed to be interviewed by Palatinate, their student newspaper. A very interesting experience and a show of solidarity. Mark Walker
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2:15pm Wed 10 Feb 10

waywoodwind says...

I understand the BNP were invited to attend the university to express their views

Obviously the UAF are determined to stifle the freedom of speech from those who want to here it

The country is in a moral and financial mess because of this Parliaments open door immigration

So people should have the right to speak and be heard when discussing the future of Britain without the fear and violence from the Brit Haters and UAF
I understand the BNP were invited to attend the university to express their views Obviously the UAF are determined to stifle the freedom of speech from those who want to here it The country is in a moral and financial mess because of this Parliaments open door immigration So people should have the right to speak and be heard when discussing the future of Britain without the fear and violence from the Brit Haters and UAF waywoodwind
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3:03pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Michael In Witton says...

One hopes the irony of the threat of violence by "anti-fascist" groups in order to attempt to silence a structured and civilised debate about national issues is not lost on the general readership. The BNP at no time suggested a mass attendance but in fact publicly welcomed the opportunity to debate.
One hopes the irony of the threat of violence by "anti-fascist" groups in order to attempt to silence a structured and civilised debate about national issues is not lost on the general readership. The BNP at no time suggested a mass attendance but in fact publicly welcomed the opportunity to debate. Michael In Witton
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3:52pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Dom0 says...

I was one of the students who attended the the talk and protest on Tuesday. I think I speak for the majority of students that it sickened us that the actions of a few members of the NUS has lead to increased publicity and massive spin opportunities for a party whose views we despise.
I believe the way to tackle the frightening growth of BNP support is through education and reasoned debate, which will show people the true side of the BNPs views.
I was one of the students who attended the the talk and protest on Tuesday. I think I speak for the majority of students that it sickened us that the actions of a few members of the NUS has lead to increased publicity and massive spin opportunities for a party whose views we despise. I believe the way to tackle the frightening growth of BNP support is through education and reasoned debate, which will show people the true side of the BNPs views. Dom0
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3:59pm Wed 10 Feb 10

J.Moffatt says...

Bellavia Ribeiro-Addy and Daf Adley : are these real names.Also what is a Transgender?Can you only have free speech if you have unpronouncable names.UAF=unite against freespeech.
Bellavia Ribeiro-Addy and Daf Adley : are these real names.Also what is a Transgender?Can you only have free speech if you have unpronouncable names.UAF=unite against freespeech. J.Moffatt
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4:02pm Wed 10 Feb 10

simmo3578 says...

To be fair Dom0 whilst not agreeing entirely with all the views of the BNP, the reason they are gaining votes is because they are the only party who seem to want to get a grip on immigration and crime, two of the biggest worries in this country at the present time I would think.
To be fair Dom0 whilst not agreeing entirely with all the views of the BNP, the reason they are gaining votes is because they are the only party who seem to want to get a grip on immigration and crime, two of the biggest worries in this country at the present time I would think. simmo3578
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4:31pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Mr M says...

I wonder how long free speech would last if the BNP ever got into power?
I wonder how long free speech would last if the BNP ever got into power? Mr M
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4:51pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Super steve says...

Mr M wrote:
I wonder how long free speech would last if the BNP ever got into power?
Probably much longer than in would if Liebour got re-elected, dont forget the Liebour government has introduced over 70 pieces of legistlation that directly impact on our freedoms and civil liberties.
And also please dont forget our masters in the EU tried to introduce laws making criticism and condemnation of the EU a criminal offence.

I respect and admire Durhams students for standing up against the extremists running the students union. Just think though that if the NSU and the Anti Nazis had not threatened the Durham students the event would probably gone ahead peacefully and almost unnoticed.

I also am pretty sure that if BNP members had threatened violence they would be crucified by the media and the left, but because it is the left themselves making threats nothing will happen to the two co authors or the inflamitory letter.
[quote][p][bold]Mr M[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long free speech would last if the BNP ever got into power?[/p][/quote]Probably much longer than in would if Liebour got re-elected, dont forget the Liebour government has introduced over 70 pieces of legistlation that directly impact on our freedoms and civil liberties. And also please dont forget our masters in the EU tried to introduce laws making criticism and condemnation of the EU a criminal offence. I respect and admire Durhams students for standing up against the extremists running the students union. Just think though that if the NSU and the Anti Nazis had not threatened the Durham students the event would probably gone ahead peacefully and almost unnoticed. I also am pretty sure that if BNP members had threatened violence they would be crucified by the media and the left, but because it is the left themselves making threats nothing will happen to the two co authors or the inflamitory letter. Super steve
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5:09pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

DomO,
Do you still actually believe the lies and spin about the BNP after this debacle? It's time you began to form your OWN opinions and stop letting this rotten establishment draw you in!
DomO, Do you still actually believe the lies and spin about the BNP after this debacle? It's time you began to form your OWN opinions and stop letting this rotten establishment draw you in! Mark Walker
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5:20pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Super steve says...

Correct me if I am wrong, Not being a history buff and all that but did not trade unions in their early days become villified and hated by the establishment ?, but over the years as they adapted and evolved they because acceptable to most people?
Correct me if I am wrong, Not being a history buff and all that but did not trade unions in their early days become villified and hated by the establishment ?, but over the years as they adapted and evolved they because acceptable to most people? Super steve
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5:47pm Wed 10 Feb 10

9988776655 says...

Let's face it, the NUS is in hock to the socialists. If they were doing their job properly, they wouldn't be campaigning against fees as it makes no difference to current students, the ones that they are ^supposed^ to represent. UAF are part of their plot to silence their opponents with the misuse of terms such as "racist". Organisations such as the EDL formed as a backlash against Muslims coming in and forcing themselves and their evil religion onto us - like rapists. Things like this will make the BNP seem attractive.

The influx solves two "problems" for labour, one they tend to be more labour-leaning and two they fill gaps in the economy (helping to keep the current fouled-up situation of high house prices and low wages, as well as keeping the birth rate up - all of which would have shown up how fouled up Labour's policies are!)

PS Muslims are NOT a race and it's NOT racist to criticise immigration and immigrants.
Let's face it, the NUS is in hock to the socialists. If they were doing their job properly, they wouldn't be campaigning against fees as it makes no difference to current students, the ones that they are ^supposed^ to represent. UAF are part of their plot to silence their opponents with the misuse of terms such as "racist". Organisations such as the EDL formed as a backlash against Muslims coming in and forcing themselves and their evil religion onto us - like rapists. Things like this will make the BNP seem attractive. The influx solves two "problems" for labour, one they tend to be more labour-leaning and two they fill gaps in the economy (helping to keep the current fouled-up situation of high house prices and low wages, as well as keeping the birth rate up - all of which would have shown up how fouled up Labour's policies are!) PS Muslims are NOT a race and it's NOT racist to criticise immigration and immigrants. 9988776655
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5:50pm Wed 10 Feb 10

9988776655 says...

PPS To anyone (apart from the very wealthy) who brought children into the world around the time of the housing boom I have this to say:
Idiots!!! If births had fallen off as they should have done, the government would have had to force house prices back down to a reasonable level (about half what they are).
PPS To anyone (apart from the very wealthy) who brought children into the world around the time of the housing boom I have this to say: Idiots!!! If births had fallen off as they should have done, the government would have had to force house prices back down to a reasonable level (about half what they are). 9988776655
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7:23pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Senor says...

Someone not so long ago, said, "by 2050 England will be under Shia Law".
When questioned he said "Compare the number of Muslim MPs in Parliament in 1997 and the number now".
Immigration has to be controlled but remember all parties except BNP need the Muslim vote.
Labour/Conservative/
Liberal do not mind what religion their members are as long as they get in.
Someone not so long ago, said, "by 2050 England will be under Shia Law". When questioned he said "Compare the number of Muslim MPs in Parliament in 1997 and the number now". Immigration has to be controlled but remember all parties except BNP need the Muslim vote. Labour/Conservative/ Liberal do not mind what religion their members are as long as they get in. Senor
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7:35pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Dom0 says...

I have formed my opinion about the BNP from reading information on the BNP website. There policies scare me, they really do. I dont understand what the BNP have against political correctness? Shouldn't we all try to not to cause offense to others?
Sometimes I think we all need to re read some history we covered in school. There are so many parallels between 1930's Germany and our current situation. Lets not turn British Muslims into scapegoats.

The sooner the BNP are given the chance to engage in large scale debates, the sooner they will show themselves as a party whos polocies are half baked crowd pleasers. They want british farms to make MORE food of Higher Quality, using ORGANIC methods. Simples!

On another note, I believe the NUS should campaign on the issue of student finance. I know it doesn't affect current students, but it is an issue current students feel passionately about.
I have formed my opinion about the BNP from reading information on the BNP website. There policies scare me, they really do. I dont understand what the BNP have against political correctness? Shouldn't we all try to not to cause offense to others? Sometimes I think we all need to re read some history we covered in school. There are so many parallels between 1930's Germany and our current situation. Lets not turn British Muslims into scapegoats. The sooner the BNP are given the chance to engage in large scale debates, the sooner they will show themselves as a party whos polocies are half baked crowd pleasers. They want british farms to make MORE food of Higher Quality, using ORGANIC methods. Simples! On another note, I believe the NUS should campaign on the issue of student finance. I know it doesn't affect current students, but it is an issue current students feel passionately about. Dom0
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8:56pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

PC has become dangerous as politicians, exempli gratia will not discuss serious issues through fear of being branded racist.
PS
When I was a student we were GIVEN money to go to Uni.

You have much to learn in the university of life my friend!
PC has become dangerous as politicians, exempli gratia will not discuss serious issues through fear of being branded racist. PS When I was a student we were GIVEN money to go to Uni. You have much to learn in the university of life my friend! Mark Walker
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10:11pm Wed 10 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Domo.... arigato... The reason debate with the BNP is hampered by the likes of the UAF, a terrorist organisation is simple. The current bunch of clowns that call themselves a Government do not want people to hear the truth. Others like 'airbrush' Cameron the Bilderberger will be no different. Our people have been fed a barrage of lies and spin for so long that it will be a refreshing change to hear from the BNP who have simple answers to what appear to many to be difficult questions. What you see is what you get with the BNP I am afraid and that is why so many people are supporting us. The left wing pendulum has swung as high as it is going to go. Political Darwinism is at work and we are on the brink of a new era. May the momentum of the pendulum continue to increase away from the wish washy left. I too received a grant to go to Uni which paid my tuition and digs. That was under old Labour though. Things havent been quite the same since old Teflon reared his grinning head. I even had money left at the end of the week for a few bevvies and not a penny of debt when I graduated. Oh happy days!
Domo.... arigato... The reason debate with the BNP is hampered by the likes of the UAF, a terrorist organisation is simple. The current bunch of clowns that call themselves a Government do not want people to hear the truth. Others like 'airbrush' Cameron the Bilderberger will be no different. Our people have been fed a barrage of lies and spin for so long that it will be a refreshing change to hear from the BNP who have simple answers to what appear to many to be difficult questions. What you see is what you get with the BNP I am afraid and that is why so many people are supporting us. The left wing pendulum has swung as high as it is going to go. Political Darwinism is at work and we are on the brink of a new era. May the momentum of the pendulum continue to increase away from the wish washy left. I too received a grant to go to Uni which paid my tuition and digs. That was under old Labour though. Things havent been quite the same since old Teflon reared his grinning head. I even had money left at the end of the week for a few bevvies and not a penny of debt when I graduated. Oh happy days! Adam Walker
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12:20am Thu 11 Feb 10

gideon2000uk says...

What Durham students were fighting for is the principle of "freedom of speech."

It is contemptible that a racist party, like the BNP, led by people who deny the Holocaust (as documented by the Frost Report) can be made to look good by an equally loony bunch of ultra left wing students (who do NOT represent Durham students as a whole).

The purpose of the debate was to expose the BNP as being the racist, homophobic, intolerant party that they are.

They will return to having 1-2% of the vote in the forthcoming General election.

They are a fringe group. They are racist, and they should be condemned in an open fashion.
What Durham students were fighting for is the principle of "freedom of speech." It is contemptible that a racist party, like the BNP, led by people who deny the Holocaust (as documented by the Frost Report) can be made to look good by an equally loony bunch of ultra left wing students (who do NOT represent Durham students as a whole). The purpose of the debate was to expose the BNP as being the racist, homophobic, intolerant party that they are. They will return to having 1-2% of the vote in the forthcoming General election. They are a fringe group. They are racist, and they should be condemned in an open fashion. gideon2000uk
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8:19am Thu 11 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Gideon...

You really are disillusioned arent you. I am willing to wager that the 1 or 2% you quote will be far exceeded in the North East. In fact, in some areas we will be into double figures as we hoover up votes from people who are fed up of being used and abused by our political masters. The BNP vote is growing massively and it matters not how many little unwashed, brainwashed scrotes shoult silly little slogans at their pathetic terrorist demonstations our popularity will continue to grow. As was said by a squaddie when we were visiting Catterick "you (the BNP) are the only hope". You really do need to do your homework on BNP policy before spouting out sounbites you have heard from an unreliable source. Do you know anyone who is a member or supporter of the BNP? I bet more people quite close to you than you think secretly agree with our policies.

Oh yes, and there is nothing homophobic about opposing the teaching of homosexuality to 5 year old children. The BNP do not have a problem with homosexuals. Where the problem lies is in the gross unnecessary promotion of it. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business but to have it constantly rammed down our throats by the mass media from a very early age is another. Of course, if you had read our policies you would know this. You say the BNP is "racist". I would argue that it has become common place for the word racist to be used against anyone whos view differs from what is expected and required of them by the establishment. Is a black board a black board or is that racist too? How about poor little Baa Baa Black Sheep? George Orwells 1984 does not get a look in here in modern day Britain. "Those whom the Gods seek to destroy, they first make mad". It is difficult to pass comment, Gideon on something you know very little about! Do your homework and then perhaps you will be more qualified to comment on matters relating to the BNP. By repeating sounbites you are making yourself out to be a fool. There is no crime in formulating your own opinions (yet)!
Gideon... You really are disillusioned arent you. I am willing to wager that the 1 or 2% you quote will be far exceeded in the North East. In fact, in some areas we will be into double figures as we hoover up votes from people who are fed up of being used and abused by our political masters. The BNP vote is growing massively and it matters not how many little unwashed, brainwashed scrotes shoult silly little slogans at their pathetic terrorist demonstations our popularity will continue to grow. As was said by a squaddie when we were visiting Catterick "you (the BNP) are the only hope". You really do need to do your homework on BNP policy before spouting out sounbites you have heard from an unreliable source. Do you know anyone who is a member or supporter of the BNP? I bet more people quite close to you than you think secretly agree with our policies. Oh yes, and there is nothing homophobic about opposing the teaching of homosexuality to 5 year old children. The BNP do not have a problem with homosexuals. Where the problem lies is in the gross unnecessary promotion of it. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business but to have it constantly rammed down our throats by the mass media from a very early age is another. Of course, if you had read our policies you would know this. You say the BNP is "racist". I would argue that it has become common place for the word racist to be used against anyone whos view differs from what is expected and required of them by the establishment. Is a black board a black board or is that racist too? How about poor little Baa Baa Black Sheep? George Orwells 1984 does not get a look in here in modern day Britain. "Those whom the Gods seek to destroy, they first make mad". It is difficult to pass comment, Gideon on something you know very little about! Do your homework and then perhaps you will be more qualified to comment on matters relating to the BNP. By repeating sounbites you are making yourself out to be a fool. There is no crime in formulating your own opinions (yet)! Adam Walker
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8:53am Thu 11 Feb 10

Super steve says...

gideon2000uk wrote:
What Durham students were fighting for is the principle of "freedom of speech." It is contemptible that a racist party, like the BNP, led by people who deny the Holocaust (as documented by the Frost Report) can be made to look good by an equally loony bunch of ultra left wing students (who do NOT represent Durham students as a whole). The purpose of the debate was to expose the BNP as being the racist, homophobic, intolerant party that they are. They will return to having 1-2% of the vote in the forthcoming General election. They are a fringe group. They are racist, and they should be condemned in an open fashion.
Perhaps during your debate you should include Islam for condemnation as well for being Homophobic, Anti Semitic and utterly intolerant ? Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]gideon2000uk[/bold] wrote: What Durham students were fighting for is the principle of "freedom of speech." It is contemptible that a racist party, like the BNP, led by people who deny the Holocaust (as documented by the Frost Report) can be made to look good by an equally loony bunch of ultra left wing students (who do NOT represent Durham students as a whole). The purpose of the debate was to expose the BNP as being the racist, homophobic, intolerant party that they are. They will return to having 1-2% of the vote in the forthcoming General election. They are a fringe group. They are racist, and they should be condemned in an open fashion.[/p][/quote]Perhaps during your debate you should include Islam for condemnation as well for being Homophobic, Anti Semitic and utterly intolerant ? Just a thought. Super steve
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9:44am Thu 11 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

The BNP not racist, Adam? You’re avin’ a larff ain’tcha?
According to its constitution, the BNP is “wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between (white) British and non-European peoples” and is committed to “stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration.” Note: not immigration in general, but NON-WHITE immigration, and not just “stemming” but “stemming AND REVERSING.” This it proposes to achieve by a system of “voluntary” repatriation with taxpayer support, which would persuade non-whites to return to their “lands of ethnic origin.” During an interview with the Daily Telegraph last May, Nick Griffin was asked what he would do about non-whites whose “land of ethnic origin” was uncertain. He answered: “Drop them out of a plane somewhere over Africa. I don’t really care.” It is also clear that Griffin still dreams of an all-white Britain, and has said that if the BNP ever came to power (no chance of that, fortunately) he would take control of the British media and use it to try to persuade the public that “every last (non-white) must go.”
The BNP not racist, Adam? You’re avin’ a larff ain’tcha? According to its constitution, the BNP is “wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between (white) British and non-European peoples” and is committed to “stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration.” Note: not immigration in general, but NON-WHITE immigration, and not just “stemming” but “stemming AND REVERSING.” This it proposes to achieve by a system of “voluntary” repatriation with taxpayer support, which would persuade non-whites to return to their “lands of ethnic origin.” During an interview with the Daily Telegraph last May, Nick Griffin was asked what he would do about non-whites whose “land of ethnic origin” was uncertain. He answered: “Drop them out of a plane somewhere over Africa. I don’t really care.” It is also clear that Griffin still dreams of an all-white Britain, and has said that if the BNP ever came to power (no chance of that, fortunately) he would take control of the British media and use it to try to persuade the public that “every last (non-white) must go.” Pete Winstanley
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9:59am Thu 11 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

How can the BNP be a fringe party? I have never met a member with a fringe and indeed we are issued with hair gel from head office to prevent one from naturally forming.
Pete Whinge-stanley, are you the only person in the known universe who is unaware that the BNP constitution is in a constant state of transition? If you join and become a voting member you can suggest some changes for yourself (I do) instead of incessantly twisting about it, it's called democracy.
How can the BNP be a fringe party? I have never met a member with a fringe and indeed we are issued with hair gel from head office to prevent one from naturally forming. Pete Whinge-stanley, are you the only person in the known universe who is unaware that the BNP constitution is in a constant state of transition? If you join and become a voting member you can suggest some changes for yourself (I do) instead of incessantly twisting about it, it's called democracy. Mark Walker
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10:07am Thu 11 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

For “a constant state of transition” read “a constant process of sanitisation for electoral expediency.” Too late, Mark. We all know what the BNP stands for and that it cannot change its spots, only try to disguise them.
For “a constant state of transition” read “a constant process of sanitisation for electoral expediency.” Too late, Mark. We all know what the BNP stands for and that it cannot change its spots, only try to disguise them. Pete Winstanley
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10:11am Thu 11 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

So a political party cannot change?
Hmmmmm, I'll spare the obvious examples!
So a political party cannot change? Hmmmmm, I'll spare the obvious examples! Mark Walker
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10:14am Thu 11 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

Like I said,
Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM)
Sunday 14th February

Open to all fully paid up members – to debate and vote on the
British National Party’s new constitution. If you do not bring
a current membership card you will not be admitted.
Like I said, Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) Sunday 14th February Open to all fully paid up members – to debate and vote on the British National Party’s new constitution. If you do not bring a current membership card you will not be admitted. Mark Walker
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12:44pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

Mark -
I believe there is no proposal to change the constitution’s “political objectives” from which I quoted above. Correct me if I am wrong.
Mark - I believe there is no proposal to change the constitution’s “political objectives” from which I quoted above. Correct me if I am wrong. Pete Winstanley
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12:54pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

Well you are wrong if you think we are going to change until we are the same as the identical mainstream parties. That's our strenghth, the fortitude to be different and provide the voting public with an honest alternative. We have seen the 'political objectives' of the Labour party on the front page of yesterday's Telegraph- to swamp the UK with immigrants. That may be your Utopia but it ain't mine!
Well you are wrong if you think we are going to change until we are the same as the identical mainstream parties. That's our strenghth, the fortitude to be different and provide the voting public with an honest alternative. We have seen the 'political objectives' of the Labour party on the front page of yesterday's Telegraph- to swamp the UK with immigrants. That may be your Utopia but it ain't mine! Mark Walker
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1:45pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Rainman. Once again you spout your bile. The new constitution will be voted on this coming Sunday. I have every confidence that after voting has finished black and ethnic minorities will be allowed access to our party. Indeed, we have a long standing supporter of our party Rajinda Singh who has specifically asked if he can be the first to join. Now put that in your ivory pipe and smoke it. After Sunday the race stick will no longer be able to be wielded against us by head in the cloud biggoted buffoons such as yourself!
Rainman. Once again you spout your bile. The new constitution will be voted on this coming Sunday. I have every confidence that after voting has finished black and ethnic minorities will be allowed access to our party. Indeed, we have a long standing supporter of our party Rajinda Singh who has specifically asked if he can be the first to join. Now put that in your ivory pipe and smoke it. After Sunday the race stick will no longer be able to be wielded against us by head in the cloud biggoted buffoons such as yourself! Adam Walker
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2:13pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

No bile, Adam, just reasoned argument. But once again you demonstrate your inability to engage in rational discussion by resorting to insult and name-calling.
Yes, I’m sure the BNP will vote to amend the constitution by allowing non-whites to join. That really should not deflect accusations of racism, because the “political objectives” which I have quoted from (above) remain blatantly racist.
No doubt the BNP will continue to exploit useful idiots like Rajinder Singh, Pat Richardson and Laurence Rustem. As one of your supporters posted on Stormfront, ““Getting the enemy to help us get rid of the enemy is a great idea.”
But these useful idiots are just a few individuals. They do not represent the vast majority of British people, black and white, who reject the BNP’s racist doctrines.
No bile, Adam, just reasoned argument. But once again you demonstrate your inability to engage in rational discussion by resorting to insult and name-calling. Yes, I’m sure the BNP will vote to amend the constitution by allowing non-whites to join. That really should not deflect accusations of racism, because the “political objectives” which I have quoted from (above) remain blatantly racist. No doubt the BNP will continue to exploit useful idiots like Rajinder Singh, Pat Richardson and Laurence Rustem. As one of your supporters posted on Stormfront, ““Getting the enemy to help us get rid of the enemy is a great idea.” But these useful idiots are just a few individuals. They do not represent the vast majority of British people, black and white, who reject the BNP’s racist doctrines. Pete Winstanley
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3:20pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

EVERYONE who disagrees with Pete is a racist!
ZZZzzzzzzzzz
EVERYONE who disagrees with Pete is a racist! ZZZzzzzzzzzz Mark Walker
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5:26pm Thu 11 Feb 10

speedy says...

The BNP are a violent, fascist political party who don't believe in freedom of speech. For them to turn around and claim they are in favour of it is simply ludicrous. I know from personal experience that the BNP will send skinheads after you if you oppose them and that is exactly what websites like Redwatch are there for.

The students who invited key BNP figures to their campus are not only naive for viewing them as a normal political party, they were also incredibly irresponsible and were essentially putting their fellow students at risk simply for their race, religion, sexuality or if they were audacious enough to dare opposing these fascist cretins.

History tells us what fascists are like and simply because the BNP says they are in favour of freedom of speech doesn't make it so. To believe them whilst at the same time their members are known to deny the holocaust, stockpile explosives, physically attack people, etc is infantile.
The BNP are a violent, fascist political party who don't believe in freedom of speech. For them to turn around and claim they are in favour of it is simply ludicrous. I know from personal experience that the BNP will send skinheads after you if you oppose them and that is exactly what websites like Redwatch are there for. The students who invited key BNP figures to their campus are not only naive for viewing them as a normal political party, they were also incredibly irresponsible and were essentially putting their fellow students at risk simply for their race, religion, sexuality or if they were audacious enough to dare opposing these fascist cretins. History tells us what fascists are like and simply because the BNP says they are in favour of freedom of speech doesn't make it so. To believe them whilst at the same time their members are known to deny the holocaust, stockpile explosives, physically attack people, etc is infantile. speedy
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5:37pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Speedy... What planet are you on? The violence comes from the real fascists like the UAF. Churchill warned of this many years ago. Sending skinheads? what are you talking about? You really havent got a clue have you? You should go and live in the tower of ivoryness with his royal highness rainman. Im sure you two would get on like a house on fire! The real criminals are the ones who are killing our country and heritage in favour of alien ways and the ones who subscribe to it like old rainman.
Speedy... What planet are you on? The violence comes from the real fascists like the UAF. Churchill warned of this many years ago. Sending skinheads? what are you talking about? You really havent got a clue have you? You should go and live in the tower of ivoryness with his royal highness rainman. Im sure you two would get on like a house on fire! The real criminals are the ones who are killing our country and heritage in favour of alien ways and the ones who subscribe to it like old rainman. Adam Walker
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5:38pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

Here we go. Take no notice. Utter b*****x!
Send skinheads!?!
LMAO!

I think we have established who the violent ones are.
Here we go. Take no notice. Utter b*****x! Send skinheads!?! LMAO! I think we have established who the violent ones are. Mark Walker
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5:53pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Colin Wood says...

Pete Winstanley wrote:
No bile, Adam, just reasoned argument. But once again you demonstrate your inability to engage in rational discussion by resorting to insult and name-calling. Yes, I’m sure the BNP will vote to amend the constitution by allowing non-whites to join. That really should not deflect accusations of racism, because the “political objectives” which I have quoted from (above) remain blatantly racist. No doubt the BNP will continue to exploit useful idiots like Rajinder Singh, Pat Richardson and Laurence Rustem. As one of your supporters posted on Stormfront, ““Getting the enemy to help us get rid of the enemy is a great idea.” But these useful idiots are just a few individuals. They do not represent the vast majority of British people, black and white, who reject the BNP’s racist doctrines.
Mr Winlinski the BNP doctrines say you have to be a member to stand in elections so can Mr Winstanley explain why the British National Party are in court for not allowing black members when even you have named people above who are councillors. What a total waste of taxpayers money.
[quote][p][bold]Pete Winstanley[/bold] wrote: No bile, Adam, just reasoned argument. But once again you demonstrate your inability to engage in rational discussion by resorting to insult and name-calling. Yes, I’m sure the BNP will vote to amend the constitution by allowing non-whites to join. That really should not deflect accusations of racism, because the “political objectives” which I have quoted from (above) remain blatantly racist. No doubt the BNP will continue to exploit useful idiots like Rajinder Singh, Pat Richardson and Laurence Rustem. As one of your supporters posted on Stormfront, ““Getting the enemy to help us get rid of the enemy is a great idea.” But these useful idiots are just a few individuals. They do not represent the vast majority of British people, black and white, who reject the BNP’s racist doctrines.[/p][/quote]Mr Winlinski the BNP doctrines say you have to be a member to stand in elections so can Mr Winstanley explain why the British National Party are in court for not allowing black members when even you have named people above who are councillors. What a total waste of taxpayers money. Colin Wood
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6:05pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

The BNP are in court because the establishment are in a frenzy about how to stop the growing support from mushrooming. We do not fit into the Bilderberger mould. In all of the years the BNP have been around there has not been one complaint directed at us from anyone of BEM origin. How funny that since we have had two MEPs elected the pressure being put on to try to destroy us. Unfortunately for the establishment, what doesnt kill us will make us stronger.
The BNP are in court because the establishment are in a frenzy about how to stop the growing support from mushrooming. We do not fit into the Bilderberger mould. In all of the years the BNP have been around there has not been one complaint directed at us from anyone of BEM origin. How funny that since we have had two MEPs elected the pressure being put on to try to destroy us. Unfortunately for the establishment, what doesnt kill us will make us stronger. Adam Walker
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6:57pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

Allow me to explain, Mr Wood.
The BNP is now required to change its constitution to allow non-whites to be members. At the moment, it does not, so Rajinder Singh has the wrong colour skin and cannot join, though he has said he would like to join as soon as the constitution changes. Pat Richardson is white, but Jewish; so she’s allowed to be a member. As she explained, “I distinguish between my Jewishness, which is a religion, and my support for the BNP, which is purely political.” In both cases, sharing the BNP’s Islamophobia plays a significant part.
Laurence Rustem is part Turkish, so, according to Julian Leppert, the BNP’s candidate for Mayor of London in 2004, he’s OK because he’s only “half wog.”
Barmy, isn’t it?
Allow me to explain, Mr Wood. The BNP is now required to change its constitution to allow non-whites to be members. At the moment, it does not, so Rajinder Singh has the wrong colour skin and cannot join, though he has said he would like to join as soon as the constitution changes. Pat Richardson is white, but Jewish; so she’s allowed to be a member. As she explained, “I distinguish between my Jewishness, which is a religion, and my support for the BNP, which is purely political.” In both cases, sharing the BNP’s Islamophobia plays a significant part. Laurence Rustem is part Turkish, so, according to Julian Leppert, the BNP’s candidate for Mayor of London in 2004, he’s OK because he’s only “half wog.” Barmy, isn’t it? Pete Winstanley
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9:25pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Super steve says...

speedy wrote:
The BNP are a violent, fascist political party who don't believe in freedom of speech. For them to turn around and claim they are in favour of it is simply ludicrous. I know from personal experience that the BNP will send skinheads after you if you oppose them and that is exactly what websites like Redwatch are there for. The students who invited key BNP figures to their campus are not only naive for viewing them as a normal political party, they were also incredibly irresponsible and were essentially putting their fellow students at risk simply for their race, religion, sexuality or if they were audacious enough to dare opposing these fascist cretins. History tells us what fascists are like and simply because the BNP says they are in favour of freedom of speech doesn't make it so. To believe them whilst at the same time their members are known to deny the holocaust, stockpile explosives, physically attack people, etc is infantile.
Well as much as I disagree with the BNP with me now being a convicted UKIP supporter for the next elections, I think I can say with openess and fairness that Speedys letter is a true work of fiction.

History does indeed clearly show us what fascists are like and the UAF/NUS activities of late clearly show us what fascism at its worst is like.
[quote][p][bold]speedy[/bold] wrote: The BNP are a violent, fascist political party who don't believe in freedom of speech. For them to turn around and claim they are in favour of it is simply ludicrous. I know from personal experience that the BNP will send skinheads after you if you oppose them and that is exactly what websites like Redwatch are there for. The students who invited key BNP figures to their campus are not only naive for viewing them as a normal political party, they were also incredibly irresponsible and were essentially putting their fellow students at risk simply for their race, religion, sexuality or if they were audacious enough to dare opposing these fascist cretins. History tells us what fascists are like and simply because the BNP says they are in favour of freedom of speech doesn't make it so. To believe them whilst at the same time their members are known to deny the holocaust, stockpile explosives, physically attack people, etc is infantile.[/p][/quote]Well as much as I disagree with the BNP with me now being a convicted UKIP supporter for the next elections, I think I can say with openess and fairness that Speedys letter is a true work of fiction. History does indeed clearly show us what fascists are like and the UAF/NUS activities of late clearly show us what fascism at its worst is like. Super steve
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10:51pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Rainman.. You must be paid an awful lot for the rubbish you write. No sane person would belive the tripe you spout. You are alone in your thoughts and the average man on the clapham omnibus would see that you are an island unto yourself!
Rainman.. You must be paid an awful lot for the rubbish you write. No sane person would belive the tripe you spout. You are alone in your thoughts and the average man on the clapham omnibus would see that you are an island unto yourself! Adam Walker
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10:57pm Thu 11 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

Please specify, Adam. What have I said that is untrue? Where have I misquoted the BNP constitution? And, for the benefit of anyone who thinks otherwise, I am not paid by anyone for my opinions.
Please specify, Adam. What have I said that is untrue? Where have I misquoted the BNP constitution? And, for the benefit of anyone who thinks otherwise, I am not paid by anyone for my opinions. Pete Winstanley
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11:23pm Thu 11 Feb 10

OckendonPaul says...

Racism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. And I, like many people worried about the undeniable demographic trend in this country, don't behold the BNP constitution as rascist at all, it's just somebody sticking up for us at last..

Good luck Adam
Racism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. And I, like many people worried about the undeniable demographic trend in this country, don't behold the BNP constitution as rascist at all, it's just somebody sticking up for us at last.. Good luck Adam OckendonPaul
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8:11am Fri 12 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Thanks OckendonPaul.

It is a very tough job indeed as you can see from this thread but someone has to do it. We are up against some hideously miguided people who care very little that one day in the very near future our country as our forefathers knew it will no longerr exist. The preservation of a race is fine when it is the Maori or Native American Indians but to speak of the preservation of our race makes us racist Nazis. Support is growing and we are getting stronger. One day we will be free from the grip of Europe and we will restore pride again in our people so that they will no longer feel ashamed of who they are!
Thanks OckendonPaul. It is a very tough job indeed as you can see from this thread but someone has to do it. We are up against some hideously miguided people who care very little that one day in the very near future our country as our forefathers knew it will no longerr exist. The preservation of a race is fine when it is the Maori or Native American Indians but to speak of the preservation of our race makes us racist Nazis. Support is growing and we are getting stronger. One day we will be free from the grip of Europe and we will restore pride again in our people so that they will no longer feel ashamed of who they are! Adam Walker
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11:14am Fri 12 Feb 10

battersby123 says...

No BNP supporter or member can claim solidarity with Durham University students over freedom of speech.

The BNP should remember that the crux of this debate was a disagreement over how best to fight against you.

Some of us think we should be able to take you to pieces in an intellectual debate.

Others think you shouldn't be allowed to speak at all at such public events, your views being so abhorrent that they don't deserve a platform.

Remember this: either way, both sides find you a racist, homophobic, fascist political grouping. We find your policies on immigration disgusting, and do not accept your historically inaccurate narrative on 'native peoples'.

The sides were in disagreement over how best to tackle you. Over the next weeks and months, you'll see many more students becoming involved in campaigns like Hope Not Hate, and others.
No BNP supporter or member can claim solidarity with Durham University students over freedom of speech. The BNP should remember that the crux of this debate was a disagreement over how best to fight against you. Some of us think we should be able to take you to pieces in an intellectual debate. Others think you shouldn't be allowed to speak at all at such public events, your views being so abhorrent that they don't deserve a platform. Remember this: either way, both sides find you a racist, homophobic, fascist political grouping. We find your policies on immigration disgusting, and do not accept your historically inaccurate narrative on 'native peoples'. The sides were in disagreement over how best to tackle you. Over the next weeks and months, you'll see many more students becoming involved in campaigns like Hope Not Hate, and others. battersby123
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2:02pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

Well Bastersby... If they are happy to help with the destruction of our country then the Hope Not Haters are the right bunch to be siding with. Just for the record, I dont hate anyone but I do hope that more people like you would wake up before it is too late. You are obviously happy to see your country be turned into a third world so on you get old chap! You really should get out more and do a wee bit more reading then perhaps you would have some idea of what the BNP is trying to do. It would also prevent you from looking like a soundbite repeating fool!
Well Bastersby... If they are happy to help with the destruction of our country then the Hope Not Haters are the right bunch to be siding with. Just for the record, I dont hate anyone but I do hope that more people like you would wake up before it is too late. You are obviously happy to see your country be turned into a third world so on you get old chap! You really should get out more and do a wee bit more reading then perhaps you would have some idea of what the BNP is trying to do. It would also prevent you from looking like a soundbite repeating fool! Adam Walker
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2:13pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

Well said, Battersby. Put that in a letter to Hear All Sides – it’ll reach a lot more people than the few anoraks who are reading this!
Well said, Battersby. Put that in a letter to Hear All Sides – it’ll reach a lot more people than the few anoraks who are reading this! Pete Winstanley
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2:37pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

Battersby, I know BNP supporters who go to Durham University. I was offered a place there myself.
Pete, how many skinheads have been sent round to your house? Sorry just another opportunity to blow another lie out the water!
Battersby, I know BNP supporters who go to Durham University. I was offered a place there myself. Pete, how many skinheads have been sent round to your house? Sorry just another opportunity to blow another lie out the water! Mark Walker
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3:43pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

It was Speedy, not me, who said that. He said it was from personal experience, and I have no reason to doubt what he says, though it may have been a while ago. In the past, as a direct consequence of my letters to the Echo, I have received extremely nasty hate mail, mostly posted from Sunderland. In the 80s, some people who spoke out against the BNP in Durham were subjected to threats, vandalism and violence, as reported in the paper at the time.
Nick Griffin is bright enough to know that such violence is counter-productive, but let’s remember what he wrote in the Rune in 1995:
“The electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
Is Griffin now a reformed character? Somehow I doubt it. He is just a more cunning strategist now.
It was Speedy, not me, who said that. He said it was from personal experience, and I have no reason to doubt what he says, though it may have been a while ago. In the past, as a direct consequence of my letters to the Echo, I have received extremely nasty hate mail, mostly posted from Sunderland. In the 80s, some people who spoke out against the BNP in Durham were subjected to threats, vandalism and violence, as reported in the paper at the time. Nick Griffin is bright enough to know that such violence is counter-productive, but let’s remember what he wrote in the Rune in 1995: “The electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate." Is Griffin now a reformed character? Somehow I doubt it. He is just a more cunning strategist now. Pete Winstanley
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4:10pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

The 80s, that's 30 years ago. So would you agree that it is the left who are still violent and not us now? I know it was Speedy, I was just making a point. I have recently contacted the police about the threats made against my family and I. Nick, 1995, that's 15 years ago, hardly threatning murder. Get upto date, we are worried about the future not the past.
The 80s, that's 30 years ago. So would you agree that it is the left who are still violent and not us now? I know it was Speedy, I was just making a point. I have recently contacted the police about the threats made against my family and I. Nick, 1995, that's 15 years ago, hardly threatning murder. Get upto date, we are worried about the future not the past. Mark Walker
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5:10pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

I unequivocally condemn any threats against you or your family, and hope the police will apprehend those responsible.
Yes, I know that what Griffin said was 15 years ago, but that’s not a very long time! I certainly wouldn’t trust a man who said anything like that, even 15 years ago, especially as he has said nothing since to suggest that he may have had a change of heart. I’m also concerned about the future, and I am determined to ensure that my children and grandchildren do not grow up in a society infected by the racist doctrines of the BNP.
I unequivocally condemn any threats against you or your family, and hope the police will apprehend those responsible. Yes, I know that what Griffin said was 15 years ago, but that’s not a very long time! I certainly wouldn’t trust a man who said anything like that, even 15 years ago, especially as he has said nothing since to suggest that he may have had a change of heart. I’m also concerned about the future, and I am determined to ensure that my children and grandchildren do not grow up in a society infected by the racist doctrines of the BNP. Pete Winstanley
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5:40pm Fri 12 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

On current demographic trends your grandchildren will grow up under the Sharia wearing burkas. They can thank the likes of their grandad who did nothing to stop it, in fact wished it upon them!
On current demographic trends your grandchildren will grow up under the Sharia wearing burkas. They can thank the likes of their grandad who did nothing to stop it, in fact wished it upon them! Mark Walker
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6:21pm Fri 12 Feb 10

OckendonPaul says...

I'd be interested to hear from Durham Pete how he sees the demographic make-up of this country in, say, 50 years time.
I see white people living in a fearful minority, ruled by a non-white dominated goverment who won't treat us with the same level of "tolerance" that we fawned upon their forefathers.
Of course Pete will see it differently, but which party does he think will avert this scenario by calling a halt to immigration levels that will inevitably render us a minority? Labour? Tories? Maybe the Lib-Dems?
Over to you Pete.
I'd be interested to hear from Durham Pete how he sees the demographic make-up of this country in, say, 50 years time. I see white people living in a fearful minority, ruled by a non-white dominated goverment who won't treat us with the same level of "tolerance" that we fawned upon their forefathers. Of course Pete will see it differently, but which party does he think will avert this scenario by calling a halt to immigration levels that will inevitably render us a minority? Labour? Tories? Maybe the Lib-Dems? Over to you Pete. OckendonPaul
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7:14pm Fri 12 Feb 10

scuzz says...

OckendonPaul wrote:
I'd be interested to hear from Durham Pete how he sees the demographic make-up of this country in, say, 50 years time. I see white people living in a fearful minority, ruled by a non-white dominated goverment who won't treat us with the same level of "tolerance" that we fawned upon their forefathers. Of course Pete will see it differently, but which party does he think will avert this scenario by calling a halt to immigration levels that will inevitably render us a minority? Labour? Tories? Maybe the Lib-Dems? Over to you Pete.
So Paul, why does it matter whether somebody is black or white? and why would a goverment dominated by non white people be any better than a white dominated government?
Plus the majority of immigrants coming to this country are white (Irish, australian, american, eastern europeans) so your fears and your whole post is total missguided nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]OckendonPaul[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to hear from Durham Pete how he sees the demographic make-up of this country in, say, 50 years time. I see white people living in a fearful minority, ruled by a non-white dominated goverment who won't treat us with the same level of "tolerance" that we fawned upon their forefathers. Of course Pete will see it differently, but which party does he think will avert this scenario by calling a halt to immigration levels that will inevitably render us a minority? Labour? Tories? Maybe the Lib-Dems? Over to you Pete.[/p][/quote]So Paul, why does it matter whether somebody is black or white? and why would a goverment dominated by non white people be any better than a white dominated government? Plus the majority of immigrants coming to this country are white (Irish, australian, american, eastern europeans) so your fears and your whole post is total missguided nonsense. scuzz
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5:31pm Sat 13 Feb 10

OckendonPaul says...

Pete are you serious? Almost every city and large town in England is being colonized by people from Asia and Africa, not Ireland and Oz. If you genuinley are blind then I apologize, you probably wouldn't realize.

This country is historically white and that is the way it should remain. If skin colour is unimportant to you then you clearly won't object to this.
Pete are you serious? Almost every city and large town in England is being colonized by people from Asia and Africa, not Ireland and Oz. If you genuinley are blind then I apologize, you probably wouldn't realize. This country is historically white and that is the way it should remain. If skin colour is unimportant to you then you clearly won't object to this. OckendonPaul
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4:04pm Mon 22 Feb 10

chrisD2 says...

Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately given the level of vitriol, I have come late to this debate.

Two things come out of this for me: firstly, Pete Winstanley's comments seem to be a far better informed and far more pleasant than those from BNP supporters.
Secondly, and more importantly, reading the whole debate right through in one go, I sense a slight reduction in hatred in the comments of Walker - perhaps due to the much more reasoned approach that Winstanley had towards him. Perhaps an argument for debate?

Having said that, despite supporting free speech, I would rather not grant free speech to the BNP because, as has been said before, they lost their right to free speech by having policies that seek to deny the rights of others. Those who claim that this is not the case haven't even got free thought, let alone free speech.
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately given the level of vitriol, I have come late to this debate. Two things come out of this for me: firstly, Pete Winstanley's comments seem to be a far better informed and far more pleasant than those from BNP supporters. Secondly, and more importantly, reading the whole debate right through in one go, I sense a slight reduction in hatred in the comments of Walker - perhaps due to the much more reasoned approach that Winstanley had towards him. Perhaps an argument for debate? Having said that, despite supporting free speech, I would rather not grant free speech to the BNP because, as has been said before, they lost their right to free speech by having policies that seek to deny the rights of others. Those who claim that this is not the case haven't even got free thought, let alone free speech. chrisD2
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2:03pm Tue 23 Feb 10

Pete Winstanley says...

Thanks, Chris, but I think this thread is probably dead. I only noticed your comment because I had ticked the "email me when a comment is added" box. Here's a comment I posted on a different thread which may interest you:


If we want to have a sensible debate about the successes and failures of multiculturalism, it is neither necessary nor desirable to invite the BNP, which approaches the subject from a blatantly racist standpoint.

Student debating societies which want to arrange debates with neo-Nazis would do well to consider a warning from Denmark. This letter appeared in the Guardian last October:

As Britain debates the BNP's appearance on Question Time, it would be a good idea to learn from developments elsewhere, before it's too late. Here in Denmark, where I have lived for 30 years, we have witnessed the systematic hijacking of a progressive and tolerant culture by the far right dressed in "respectable" sheep's clothing. In 10 years, Denmark has been transformed into a country where racism has become mainstream.
Free speech has protected hate speech, and opponents of censorship have consistently defended the rights of unscrupulous populists and incendiarists. When the media take this line, a very wicked circle is started: the inflammatory accusations of racists become self-fulfilling prophecies, as minorities are increasingly marginalised and excluded. Mainstream political parties, attempting to win back voters from the extreme right, make an endless series of concessions, attempting in vain to demonstrate understanding of the concerns of voters tempted by simple xenophobic policies. But the far right will always have a more extreme policy, and a new provocative proposal, which keeps them permanently centre stage in the media.
The "debate" about immigration – in reality a platform for populist racism – dominates politics, poisons serious dialogue, and guarantees only one thing: racist dominance of the media and the political agenda.

Richard Reynish Copenhagen, Denmark
Thanks, Chris, but I think this thread is probably dead. I only noticed your comment because I had ticked the "email me when a comment is added" box. Here's a comment I posted on a different thread which may interest you: If we want to have a sensible debate about the successes and failures of multiculturalism, it is neither necessary nor desirable to invite the BNP, which approaches the subject from a blatantly racist standpoint. Student debating societies which want to arrange debates with neo-Nazis would do well to consider a warning from Denmark. This letter appeared in the Guardian last October: As Britain debates the BNP's appearance on Question Time, it would be a good idea to learn from developments elsewhere, before it's too late. Here in Denmark, where I have lived for 30 years, we have witnessed the systematic hijacking of a progressive and tolerant culture by the far right dressed in "respectable" sheep's clothing. In 10 years, Denmark has been transformed into a country where racism has become mainstream. Free speech has protected hate speech, and opponents of censorship have consistently defended the rights of unscrupulous populists and incendiarists. When the media take this line, a very wicked circle is started: the inflammatory accusations of racists become self-fulfilling prophecies, as minorities are increasingly marginalised and excluded. Mainstream political parties, attempting to win back voters from the extreme right, make an endless series of concessions, attempting in vain to demonstrate understanding of the concerns of voters tempted by simple xenophobic policies. But the far right will always have a more extreme policy, and a new provocative proposal, which keeps them permanently centre stage in the media. The "debate" about immigration – in reality a platform for populist racism – dominates politics, poisons serious dialogue, and guarantees only one thing: racist dominance of the media and the political agenda. Richard Reynish Copenhagen, Denmark Pete Winstanley
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2:13pm Tue 23 Feb 10

Mark Walker says...

That reminds me, I need some more biscuits for my next BNP coffee morning!
That reminds me, I need some more biscuits for my next BNP coffee morning! Mark Walker
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12:24am Wed 24 Feb 10

Adam Walker says...

According to the Labour Party Pete, we are all racists and that old chap includes you !!
According to the Labour Party Pete, we are all racists and that old chap includes you !! Adam Walker
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