Highways officers asked to investigate pedestrian crossing causing tailbacks for motorists

HIGHWAYS officers have been asked to inspect the operation of a pedestrian crossing in Darlington amid concerns that it is causing long tailbacks for motorists.

Councillor Tony Richmond said the button-controlled crossing at the end of West Auckland Road, near the centre of Cockerton, sometimes led to queues back to the A1 as the lights were too quick to change in favour of pedestrians.

At a meeting of Darlington Borough Council’s place scrutiny committee he asked highways officers to look at what could be done to make the crossing more efficient for motorists, while also keeping pedestrians safe.

He said: “I know it’s a balance but I think sometimes we get the balance wrong. Cockerton needs looking at again – traffic ends up back to the motorway and it is caused in part by this crossing.

“That crossing is like a continuation of the pavement and it’s causing a problem.”

Andy Casey, highways officer at the council, said the crossing had been investigated previously and the crossing cycle reduced to the maximum 38 seconds allowed.

He added: “It’s about how long it is safe to leave it for pedestrians to cross. These crossings typically have a 19 second cycle from the time the button is pushed - this one is at the maximum safely advised.

“We are also being pushed nationally to lengthen the time for pedestrians to cross to help older people – we are being pulled in a few different directions.”

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3:02pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Homshaw1 says...

Does the queue of traffic really stretch from Cockerton back to the A1? Seems like an exaggeration.
Does the queue of traffic really stretch from Cockerton back to the A1? Seems like an exaggeration. Homshaw1
  • Score: 19

3:34pm Mon 23 Jun 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

At peak times the queue really does stretch that far back. I've seen it myself.

As for this crossing. I nearly laughed when I read the story. It's one of many in this town where priority is deliberately given to the pedestrian - in a deliberate attempt to disrupt traffic flow. It's one of the many very underhanded tactics this coincil use to wind the motorist up.

Why we need someone in a yellow jacket from the Highways Dept. to have a look and into it and then point out the bleedin obvious is beyond me. Oh I forgot, you need an 'Ology or some other such meaningless qualification to make such informed decisions. What a joke!
At peak times the queue really does stretch that far back. I've seen it myself. As for this crossing. I nearly laughed when I read the story. It's one of many in this town where priority is deliberately given to the pedestrian - in a deliberate attempt to disrupt traffic flow. It's one of the many very underhanded tactics this coincil use to wind the motorist up. Why we need someone in a yellow jacket from the Highways Dept. to have a look and into it and then point out the bleedin obvious is beyond me. Oh I forgot, you need an 'Ology or some other such meaningless qualification to make such informed decisions. What a joke! thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: -22

3:43pm Mon 23 Jun 14

miketually says...

Is the tailback to the A1 caused by the crossing, or by congestion further ahead? Presumable, all the crossing does is slightly delay people reaching the back of the next queue?
Is the tailback to the A1 caused by the crossing, or by congestion further ahead? Presumable, all the crossing does is slightly delay people reaching the back of the next queue? miketually
  • Score: 10

3:52pm Mon 23 Jun 14

BMD says...

Wait till they finish Stonebridge pedestrian crossing's, the town centre will be jammed.

This will lead to more outer town shopping and the only tumbleweed will be present on the highrow.
Wait till they finish Stonebridge pedestrian crossing's, the town centre will be jammed. This will lead to more outer town shopping and the only tumbleweed will be present on the highrow. BMD
  • Score: 3

3:57pm Mon 23 Jun 14

stevegg says...

Maybe they should look at all the pedestrian traffic lights in Darlington like the ones on the ring road and the ill conceived throughabout on Haughton road which also cause huge delays. This councils one and only solution for over a decade has been to install traffic lights at any junctions/crossing there is an issue and this looks set to continue until every junction/crossing has them. Darlington (apart from the West End) is becoming a no go area for cars!
Maybe they should look at all the pedestrian traffic lights in Darlington like the ones on the ring road and the ill conceived throughabout on Haughton road which also cause huge delays. This councils one and only solution for over a decade has been to install traffic lights at any junctions/crossing there is an issue and this looks set to continue until every junction/crossing has them. Darlington (apart from the West End) is becoming a no go area for cars! stevegg
  • Score: 14

4:51pm Mon 23 Jun 14

maw.si says...

The tailback does stretch on a morning up to the A1,but its not just that crossing that's causing the problem its also the two different sets of lollypop crossing people along with the traffic lights outside the white heifer pub, they are constantly changing due to the fact Westpark Academy is situated behind the pub. A few sets of pedestrian walkways stretching over the road would sort the problem out but these crossings look awful and attract bored youths during the evening hours.
The tailback does stretch on a morning up to the A1,but its not just that crossing that's causing the problem its also the two different sets of lollypop crossing people along with the traffic lights outside the white heifer pub, they are constantly changing due to the fact Westpark Academy is situated behind the pub. A few sets of pedestrian walkways stretching over the road would sort the problem out but these crossings look awful and attract bored youths during the evening hours. maw.si
  • Score: 9

6:29pm Mon 23 Jun 14

miketually says...

The pedestrian crossings at the throughabout only give a green signal to pedestrians when that access point is stopped anyway. It makes no difference to car journey times.

The inner ring road crossings only delay drivers from getting to the back of the next queue. If anything, they make it easier for drivers on the side roads to get onto the ring road.
The pedestrian crossings at the throughabout only give a green signal to pedestrians when that access point is stopped anyway. It makes no difference to car journey times. The inner ring road crossings only delay drivers from getting to the back of the next queue. If anything, they make it easier for drivers on the side roads to get onto the ring road. miketually
  • Score: 2

7:07pm Mon 23 Jun 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

miketually wrote:
The pedestrian crossings at the throughabout only give a green signal to pedestrians when that access point is stopped anyway. It makes no difference to car journey times.

The inner ring road crossings only delay drivers from getting to the back of the next queue. If anything, they make it easier for drivers on the side roads to get onto the ring road.
Oh well , that's OK then.

Next time I'm stuck in a queue engineered by some plonker in a Council Office somewhere, I'll remember the wise words of this Oracle.

Silly Council stooge!
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: The pedestrian crossings at the throughabout only give a green signal to pedestrians when that access point is stopped anyway. It makes no difference to car journey times. The inner ring road crossings only delay drivers from getting to the back of the next queue. If anything, they make it easier for drivers on the side roads to get onto the ring road.[/p][/quote]Oh well , that's OK then. Next time I'm stuck in a queue engineered by some plonker in a Council Office somewhere, I'll remember the wise words of this Oracle. Silly Council stooge! thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: -16

6:50am Tue 24 Jun 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
The pedestrian crossings at the throughabout only give a green signal to pedestrians when that access point is stopped anyway. It makes no difference to car journey times.

The inner ring road crossings only delay drivers from getting to the back of the next queue. If anything, they make it easier for drivers on the side roads to get onto the ring road.
Oh well , that's OK then.

Next time I'm stuck in a queue engineered by some plonker in a Council Office somewhere, I'll remember the wise words of this Oracle.

Silly Council stooge!
Next time you're stopped by a pedestrian crossing at a busy time, see if it does anything other than delay you geeing to the back of the next queue.

Then try waiting as a pedestrian at the lights by Darlington College, in the rain in January, for one full cycle and see if you still think too much priority is being given to pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: The pedestrian crossings at the throughabout only give a green signal to pedestrians when that access point is stopped anyway. It makes no difference to car journey times. The inner ring road crossings only delay drivers from getting to the back of the next queue. If anything, they make it easier for drivers on the side roads to get onto the ring road.[/p][/quote]Oh well , that's OK then. Next time I'm stuck in a queue engineered by some plonker in a Council Office somewhere, I'll remember the wise words of this Oracle. Silly Council stooge![/p][/quote]Next time you're stopped by a pedestrian crossing at a busy time, see if it does anything other than delay you geeing to the back of the next queue. Then try waiting as a pedestrian at the lights by Darlington College, in the rain in January, for one full cycle and see if you still think too much priority is being given to pedestrians. miketually
  • Score: 16

6:51am Tue 24 Jun 14

miketually says...

Then try discussing things without resorting to name calling, like a grown up.
Then try discussing things without resorting to name calling, like a grown up. miketually
  • Score: 21

8:48am Tue 24 Jun 14

Homshaw1 says...

Are we really saying that a zebra crossing in Cockerton is on the verge of causing tailbacks on the A1?

That is mad.
Are we really saying that a zebra crossing in Cockerton is on the verge of causing tailbacks on the A1? That is mad. Homshaw1
  • Score: 9

9:28am Tue 24 Jun 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
Then try discussing things without resorting to name calling, like a grown up.
Prat!
I knew you couldn't.

Love you!
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: Then try discussing things without resorting to name calling, like a grown up.[/p][/quote]Prat![/p][/quote]I knew you couldn't. Love you! miketually
  • Score: 7

12:13pm Tue 24 Jun 14

cheapside says...

For the information of Mr Casey (The council officer), its not the length of time allowed to cross that is the problem. If it takes x seconds for an older person to cross then leave it at x seconds.
Its the time between a pedestrian pushing a button and the green "safe to cross light" coming on that needs looking at. If it cuts in immediately its bound to cause a tailback.

Perhaps the council need to look at getting funding to extend the "Eastern Transport Corridor" across to Faverdale as was first planned. This would probably ease the congestion. They might do it now that they are looking to get "World Heritage Status" for the Railway Museum.
For the information of Mr Casey (The council officer), its not the length of time allowed to cross that is the problem. If it takes x seconds for an older person to cross then leave it at x seconds. Its the time between a pedestrian pushing a button and the green "safe to cross light" coming on that needs looking at. If it cuts in immediately its bound to cause a tailback. Perhaps the council need to look at getting funding to extend the "Eastern Transport Corridor" across to Faverdale as was first planned. This would probably ease the congestion. They might do it now that they are looking to get "World Heritage Status" for the Railway Museum. cheapside
  • Score: 5

1:04pm Tue 24 Jun 14

gazza_d says...

It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity.

something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists
It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity. something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists gazza_d
  • Score: 9

1:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

grandmab says...

What they need is a park and ride system and a ban on school runs. Why the little dears cannot walk a bit or take the bus is beyond me. Even in infant school we walked with an older child and took the bus across town. The time between pedestrian crossing periods needs to lengthen as it does on North road. Sometimes the tailbacks on North Road go back to the Roundabout at the A1. Having so many crossing points does not help either sometimes they are too close together.
What they need is a park and ride system and a ban on school runs. Why the little dears cannot walk a bit or take the bus is beyond me. Even in infant school we walked with an older child and took the bus across town. The time between pedestrian crossing periods needs to lengthen as it does on North road. Sometimes the tailbacks on North Road go back to the Roundabout at the A1. Having so many crossing points does not help either sometimes they are too close together. grandmab
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Tue 24 Jun 14

miketually says...

gazza_d wrote:
It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity.

something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists
This +1

The road's about 2800m long, from the motorway junction to Cockerton; that means there's only room for around 350 cars doing 30mph. As soon as there's more than 350 cars, they'll have to slow down until, eventually, they stop.
[quote][p][bold]gazza_d[/bold] wrote: It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity. something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists[/p][/quote]This +1 The road's about 2800m long, from the motorway junction to Cockerton; that means there's only room for around 350 cars doing 30mph. As soon as there's more than 350 cars, they'll have to slow down until, eventually, they stop. miketually
  • Score: 3

2:08pm Tue 24 Jun 14

miketually says...

grandmab wrote:
What they need is a park and ride system and a ban on school runs. Why the little dears cannot walk a bit or take the bus is beyond me. Even in infant school we walked with an older child and took the bus across town. The time between pedestrian crossing periods needs to lengthen as it does on North road. Sometimes the tailbacks on North Road go back to the Roundabout at the A1. Having so many crossing points does not help either sometimes they are too close together.
A park and ride will only work if there's a dedicated bus lane, and there's no will at the council to take space away from parked cars so that'll never happen. I'm also not convinced they work: York has a park and ride scheme and the traffic's absolutely awful.

Encouraging kids to walk/ride/bus to school is absolutely key. Reducing the number of safe crossing points isn't going to help this, however.
[quote][p][bold]grandmab[/bold] wrote: What they need is a park and ride system and a ban on school runs. Why the little dears cannot walk a bit or take the bus is beyond me. Even in infant school we walked with an older child and took the bus across town. The time between pedestrian crossing periods needs to lengthen as it does on North road. Sometimes the tailbacks on North Road go back to the Roundabout at the A1. Having so many crossing points does not help either sometimes they are too close together.[/p][/quote]A park and ride will only work if there's a dedicated bus lane, and there's no will at the council to take space away from parked cars so that'll never happen. I'm also not convinced they work: York has a park and ride scheme and the traffic's absolutely awful. Encouraging kids to walk/ride/bus to school is absolutely key. Reducing the number of safe crossing points isn't going to help this, however. miketually
  • Score: 3

4:48pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
gazza_d wrote:
It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity.

something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists
This +1

The road's about 2800m long, from the motorway junction to Cockerton; that means there's only room for around 350 cars doing 30mph. As soon as there's more than 350 cars, they'll have to slow down until, eventually, they stop.
30 mph is the maximum speed limit. for most of the distance. If there is a tailback then they will be bumper to bumper.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazza_d[/bold] wrote: It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity. something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists[/p][/quote]This +1 The road's about 2800m long, from the motorway junction to Cockerton; that means there's only room for around 350 cars doing 30mph. As soon as there's more than 350 cars, they'll have to slow down until, eventually, they stop.[/p][/quote]30 mph is the maximum speed limit. for most of the distance. If there is a tailback then they will be bumper to bumper. Homshaw1
  • Score: 0

7:28pm Tue 24 Jun 14

miketually says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
gazza_d wrote:
It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity.

something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists
This +1

The road's about 2800m long, from the motorway junction to Cockerton; that means there's only room for around 350 cars doing 30mph. As soon as there's more than 350 cars, they'll have to slow down until, eventually, they stop.
30 mph is the maximum speed limit. for most of the distance. If there is a tailback then they will be bumper to bumper.
Exactly - more cars means less space per car means lower speeds. Get enough cars and they have to slow down.

The problem on that road is too many cars, not pedestrian crossings.
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazza_d[/bold] wrote: It's not the crossing, or the other two crossings or roundabouts, but the fact that certainly at peak times the road has reached capacity. something needs to be done to reduce the numbe rof people travelling by car in Darlington (and elsewhere). That is the only way to reduce delays for motorists[/p][/quote]This +1 The road's about 2800m long, from the motorway junction to Cockerton; that means there's only room for around 350 cars doing 30mph. As soon as there's more than 350 cars, they'll have to slow down until, eventually, they stop.[/p][/quote]30 mph is the maximum speed limit. for most of the distance. If there is a tailback then they will be bumper to bumper.[/p][/quote]Exactly - more cars means less space per car means lower speeds. Get enough cars and they have to slow down. The problem on that road is too many cars, not pedestrian crossings. miketually
  • Score: 2

8:19pm Tue 24 Jun 14

LUSTARD says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
Does the queue of traffic really stretch from Cockerton back to the A1? Seems like an exaggeration.
it does first thing, and its all the out of towners coming in whove nicked the cushy jobs
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Does the queue of traffic really stretch from Cockerton back to the A1? Seems like an exaggeration.[/p][/quote]it does first thing, and its all the out of towners coming in whove nicked the cushy jobs LUSTARD
  • Score: 0

9:04am Wed 25 Jun 14

Homshaw1 says...

LUSTARD wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
Does the queue of traffic really stretch from Cockerton back to the A1? Seems like an exaggeration.
it does first thing, and its all the out of towners coming in whove nicked the cushy jobs
Darlington has high rates of unemployment so you would think other places would be far worse. There must be something wrong with our road planning. Poor infrastructure is a killer for economic activity.
Allowing large offices in the Town Centre that have no need to deal with the public doesn't help. It could also reduce the attractiveness of Faverdale to large companies
Darlington Council need new managers. This town is unplanned and chaotic. If I were planning a large factory Shildon or Aycliffe has to be a better alternative
[quote][p][bold]LUSTARD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Does the queue of traffic really stretch from Cockerton back to the A1? Seems like an exaggeration.[/p][/quote]it does first thing, and its all the out of towners coming in whove nicked the cushy jobs[/p][/quote]Darlington has high rates of unemployment so you would think other places would be far worse. There must be something wrong with our road planning. Poor infrastructure is a killer for economic activity. Allowing large offices in the Town Centre that have no need to deal with the public doesn't help. It could also reduce the attractiveness of Faverdale to large companies Darlington Council need new managers. This town is unplanned and chaotic. If I were planning a large factory Shildon or Aycliffe has to be a better alternative Homshaw1
  • Score: 5

8:20am Thu 26 Jun 14

bambara says...

Government infrastructure investment in the SouthEast is 20 times the amount invested in the NorthEast (per head of population).
The lack of investment in infrastructure outside the SouthEast is shocking,
Darlington desperately needs the outer ring road to be completed. A smooth link from the A1 southbound to the A66 to Teesside is missing, and needs to be built. But that is an infrastructure project and requires central government funding. Sadly that is all earmarked for Crossrail, HS2, HS3.
Government infrastructure investment in the SouthEast is 20 times the amount invested in the NorthEast (per head of population). The lack of investment in infrastructure outside the SouthEast is shocking, Darlington desperately needs the outer ring road to be completed. A smooth link from the A1 southbound to the A66 to Teesside is missing, and needs to be built. But that is an infrastructure project and requires central government funding. Sadly that is all earmarked for Crossrail, HS2, HS3. bambara
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Sat 28 Jun 14

spragger says...

You can tell its no news summer when this attracts attention
You can tell its no news summer when this attracts attention spragger
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Sat 28 Jun 14

asiot66 says...

I nearly fell asleep half way through reading this story
I nearly fell asleep half way through reading this story asiot66
  • Score: 0

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