Global drugs movement vow to target North-East landmarks with wild cannabis grows

The Northern Echo: Cannabis placed close to Middlesbrough's Bottle of Notes by members of the Feed the Birds movement Cannabis placed close to Middlesbrough's Bottle of Notes by members of the Feed the Birds movement

SUPPORTERS of a fast-growing global drugs movement have pledged to plant cannabis at every well known landmark in the North-East.

The illegal substance is already flourishing at well-known landmarks including London’s Tower Bridge, The Shard and Big Ben after the sites were targeted by pro-cannabis group Feed the Birds.

Cannabis clubs across the North-East have now vowed to work together in a bid to grow the drug around well-known sites such as The Angel of the North, Middlesbrough’s Transporter Bridge, The Bottle of Notes and Tyne Bridge.

The project – which operates world-wide and has thousands of followers – was established by a farmer, a psychiatrist and a barrister in a bid to decriminalise the drug and take it out of the hands of drug dealers and pharmaceutical companies.

Founder Finn Hemingway – giving his first interview exclusively to The Northern Echo - said the organisation is driven by the needs of medicinal users who are often criminalised for their personal use.

According to Mr Hemingway, the wild grows in public places create a visual form of protest against prohibition, while making a medicinal strain of the drug freely available for those struggling to cope with symptoms of conditions including cancer, HIV and MS.

Feed the Birds also freely distribute thousands of seeds and lighting kits to users across the world.

Mr Hemingway said: “We’ve been doing this for years under a media blackout and we’ve grown everywhere you can imagine.

“This isn’t original, it’s a return to the days before prohibition and we don’t take much notice of whether it’s legal or not.

“We’re not here to convert people and we won’t benefit anybody ramming our message down throats.

“But anything we can do to stop people suffering, we’ll do it and cannabis is proven to help people with illnesses like cancer, arthritis and HIV.

“By helping medical users, we can get them away from low quality cannabis and dealers and make them self-sufficient.

“They’re not taking it out of choice, they’re taking it because it’s the only thing that works for them and they’re being criminalised.

“We don’t support a black market and want people to be able to get away from dealers and reliance on prescription medicine.

“People are ending up in court and with criminal records for trying to heal themselves.

“If you can look at people suffering and sleep at night, good for you but I can’t and had to do something about it.”

A spokeswoman from Cleveland Police confirmed cannabis had been found at the Bottle of Notes in Middlesbrough and said: “It’s not illegal to own or distribute seeds but it’s illegal to grow cannabis.

“If it’s reported to us that an individual is growing cannabis outdoors, we will investigate but in cases like this, it would be very difficult to pinpoint who that cannabis belonged to.”

Cleveland police and crime commissioner Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

"Cultivation of cannabis, which is a Class C drug, is illegal. Our central drugs enforcement team has seen some real success in terms of identifying and disrupting cannabis farms in recent months and I would like to commend their efforts and commitment."

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8:58am Mon 9 Jun 14

Tom Speed says...

"Cultivation of cannabis, which is a Class C drug, is illegal." Our central drugs enforcement team has seen some real success in terms of identifying and disrupting cannabis farms in recent months and I would like to commend their efforts and commitment."

It's a Class B drug at present, see even the Police don't know. :/

I appreciate the constables efforts to praise the work they do and make it look like they're necessary, but this is just ridiculous.

In 5 years time when it's regulated (it won't be long now) we'll look back with embarrassment and disgust at what we used to do to sick people who grew their own medicine, or merely people who want some safe fun & recreation.
"Cultivation of cannabis, which is a Class C drug, is illegal." Our central drugs enforcement team has seen some real success in terms of identifying and disrupting cannabis farms in recent months and I would like to commend their efforts and commitment." It's a Class B drug at present, see even the Police don't know. :/ I appreciate the constables efforts to praise the work they do and make it look like they're necessary, but this is just ridiculous. In 5 years time when it's regulated (it won't be long now) we'll look back with embarrassment and disgust at what we used to do to sick people who grew their own medicine, or merely people who want some safe fun & recreation. Tom Speed
  • Score: 79

9:36am Mon 9 Jun 14

the matt_addison says...

The public servant in question doesnt even know the law. It's a class b. This article fails to point out that the legalisation movement in this country is gainging speed. And not just silly landmarks. THIS IS THE REINTRODUCTION OF CANNABIS.
The public servant in question doesnt even know the law. It's a class b. This article fails to point out that the legalisation movement in this country is gainging speed. And not just silly landmarks. THIS IS THE REINTRODUCTION OF CANNABIS. the matt_addison
  • Score: 42

10:28am Mon 9 Jun 14

Dapablo says...

Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals. Dapablo
  • Score: 46

11:01am Mon 9 Jun 14

laboursfoe says...

Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
[quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!! laboursfoe
  • Score: -49

11:51am Mon 9 Jun 14

Andy-C says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish.
I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!![/p][/quote]What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish. I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks. Andy-C
  • Score: 67

12:33pm Mon 9 Jun 14

laboursfoe says...

Andy-C wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish.
I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.
Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user.

Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??
[quote][p][bold]Andy-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!![/p][/quote]What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish. I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.[/p][/quote]Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user. Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs?? laboursfoe
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12:35pm Mon 9 Jun 14

laboursfoe says...

Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Surely that only applies to Cannabis though.

What about other drugs??
[quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Surely that only applies to Cannabis though. What about other drugs?? laboursfoe
  • Score: 4

1:22pm Mon 9 Jun 14

dandilla says...

Slightly worried at the fact Cleveland police and crime commissioner Barry Coppinger doesn't know that cannabis is now a class B substance.

Also these 'dealers' and 'cannabis farms' that he refers to are only as a result of prohibition. Legalizing and moderating would not only help medical users but prevent waste of police time and resources.

End this ridiculous 'war on drugs'. There are no winners, just a big bunch of losers.
Slightly worried at the fact Cleveland police and crime commissioner Barry Coppinger doesn't know that cannabis is now a class B substance. Also these 'dealers' and 'cannabis farms' that he refers to are only as a result of prohibition. Legalizing and moderating would not only help medical users but prevent waste of police time and resources. End this ridiculous 'war on drugs'. There are no winners, just a big bunch of losers. dandilla
  • Score: 17

2:16pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Andy-C says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Andy-C wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish.
I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.
Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user.

Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??
Yes there is lots of evidence coming out of the US from states that have a medical cannabis programs that show a lot of harm reduction is happening in those states, suicide rates in states with medical cannabis are down by 9% for males aged between 19 and 39 traditionally the most at risk group some states are also reporting that beer sales are down as much as 20% in some places, Colorado which voted to fully legalised cannabis in 2012 and started legal sales for recreational cannabis in January of this year have just released figures for the first 3 months and crime is down 10% overall with less violent crime and less alcohol related crime. So all in all legalisation could have a profoundly positive effect on our society whilst reducing income for the criminal gangs currently supplying the market, removing dealing from the streets, making it harder for those under 18 to get access and ensuring that there are quality controls in place so we know exactly what we are getting.
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!![/p][/quote]What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish. I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.[/p][/quote]Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user. Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??[/p][/quote]Yes there is lots of evidence coming out of the US from states that have a medical cannabis programs that show a lot of harm reduction is happening in those states, suicide rates in states with medical cannabis are down by 9% for males aged between 19 and 39 traditionally the most at risk group some states are also reporting that beer sales are down as much as 20% in some places, Colorado which voted to fully legalised cannabis in 2012 and started legal sales for recreational cannabis in January of this year have just released figures for the first 3 months and crime is down 10% overall with less violent crime and less alcohol related crime. So all in all legalisation could have a profoundly positive effect on our society whilst reducing income for the criminal gangs currently supplying the market, removing dealing from the streets, making it harder for those under 18 to get access and ensuring that there are quality controls in place so we know exactly what we are getting. Andy-C
  • Score: 40

3:16pm Mon 9 Jun 14

lee4000 says...

its already all over some areas of consett county durham,hope it buds haha,feed the birds
its already all over some areas of consett county durham,hope it buds haha,feed the birds lee4000
  • Score: 11

5:55pm Mon 9 Jun 14

pxatkins says...

With due respect re. Colorado, 12 weeks does not constitute a sufficient time span to review statistics. Most 'medical use' proponents are just dope-heads. Be honest at least. To put into perspective the misinformed rhetoric on here, watch this TED talk. https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=ciQ4Ermh
O7g
With due respect re. Colorado, 12 weeks does not constitute a sufficient time span to review statistics. Most 'medical use' proponents are just dope-heads. Be honest at least. To put into perspective the misinformed rhetoric on here, watch this TED talk. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=ciQ4Ermh O7g pxatkins
  • Score: -8

7:53am Tue 10 Jun 14

Northcroft says...

yes those who profess to use it for medical reasons are the usual workshy wasters who feign illness to get a benefit lifestyle and avoid the real worries of life ie getting to work on time, or how can I afford a new kitchen/roof . . . .oh I can't, I'm not in a council house doing F*** all. . ..

Their reality is pathetic, I only wish illegal drugs were ALL fatal, as one hell of a lot useless folk seem to be using them, I base that on the statistics that there are MILLIONS of dealers getting caught and MILLIONS getting away with it, so the market for it must be huge . .
yes those who profess to use it for medical reasons are the usual workshy wasters who feign illness to get a benefit lifestyle and avoid the real worries of life ie getting to work on time, or how can I afford a new kitchen/roof . . . .oh I can't, I'm not in a council house doing F*** all. . .. Their reality is pathetic, I only wish illegal drugs were ALL fatal, as one hell of a lot useless folk seem to be using them, I base that on the statistics that there are MILLIONS of dealers getting caught and MILLIONS getting away with it, so the market for it must be huge . . Northcroft
  • Score: -22

10:11pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Jakeyboy1986 says...

Northcroft wrote:
yes those who profess to use it for medical reasons are the usual workshy wasters who feign illness to get a benefit lifestyle and avoid the real worries of life ie getting to work on time, or how can I afford a new kitchen/roof . . . .oh I can't, I'm not in a council house doing F*** all. . ..

Their reality is pathetic, I only wish illegal drugs were ALL fatal, as one hell of a lot useless folk seem to be using them, I base that on the statistics that there are MILLIONS of dealers getting caught and MILLIONS getting away with it, so the market for it must be huge . .
This is nonsense. I am a recreational user. I go to work 45 hours a week, I certainly dont fake illness and have plenty of worries in life to be getting on with. I simply choose to use Cannabis instead of Alcohol, which is a proven killer.
The Medical benefits are now well proven and I know many people who genuinely use cannabis as an effictive treatment for illnesses ranging from MS to Crohns and Epilepsy.
Having worked as a Door supervisor in the past I have seen the damaging effects of alcohol all too often, I wouldn't wish it to be fatal though.
There are plenty of alcoholics who would fit your stereotype of a cannnabis user, workshy, benefit dependant, worry free yet these people are not criminalised, why should we be?
[quote][p][bold]Northcroft[/bold] wrote: yes those who profess to use it for medical reasons are the usual workshy wasters who feign illness to get a benefit lifestyle and avoid the real worries of life ie getting to work on time, or how can I afford a new kitchen/roof . . . .oh I can't, I'm not in a council house doing F*** all. . .. Their reality is pathetic, I only wish illegal drugs were ALL fatal, as one hell of a lot useless folk seem to be using them, I base that on the statistics that there are MILLIONS of dealers getting caught and MILLIONS getting away with it, so the market for it must be huge . .[/p][/quote]This is nonsense. I am a recreational user. I go to work 45 hours a week, I certainly dont fake illness and have plenty of worries in life to be getting on with. I simply choose to use Cannabis instead of Alcohol, which is a proven killer. The Medical benefits are now well proven and I know many people who genuinely use cannabis as an effictive treatment for illnesses ranging from MS to Crohns and Epilepsy. Having worked as a Door supervisor in the past I have seen the damaging effects of alcohol all too often, I wouldn't wish it to be fatal though. There are plenty of alcoholics who would fit your stereotype of a cannnabis user, workshy, benefit dependant, worry free yet these people are not criminalised, why should we be? Jakeyboy1986
  • Score: 19

11:37am Thu 12 Jun 14

bambara says...

Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4.
For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher.

So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day...

Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger?

Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.
Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information. bambara
  • Score: -10

11:06am Fri 13 Jun 14

LUSTARD says...

bambara wrote:
Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4.
For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher.

So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day...

Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger?

Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.
cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.[/p][/quote]cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit LUSTARD
  • Score: -3

1:59pm Fri 13 Jun 14

geanieo says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
Legalisation will not increase use by minors. You only have to look at the statistics from other countries who have decriminalised (and regulated) cannabis to see that, if anything, it DECREASES use by minors. If we legalise and regulate it properly, placing an age restriction on licensed sellers, then your children are just as safe (if not safer) as they are now. At the moment they can find a dealer, get some weed, smoke it. Easy!

I think most kids start smoking weed because they see it as a kind of underground, bad kid thing to do. Ooooh this makes me cooler than my mates cos it's illegal he he he. (I know that's what I thought when I started at 15) If it was a normal part of everyday (adult) life then I don't think we would need to worry about our children. I would hope that there would be more unbiased education going on in schools, covering both the benefits and the disadvantages (for some people) of using this plant both recreationally and for medical purposes.
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!![/p][/quote]Legalisation will not increase use by minors. You only have to look at the statistics from other countries who have decriminalised (and regulated) cannabis to see that, if anything, it DECREASES use by minors. If we legalise and regulate it properly, placing an age restriction on licensed sellers, then your children are just as safe (if not safer) as they are now. At the moment they can find a dealer, get some weed, smoke it. Easy! I think most kids start smoking weed because they see it as a kind of underground, bad kid thing to do. Ooooh this makes me cooler than my mates cos it's illegal he he he. (I know that's what I thought when I started at 15) If it was a normal part of everyday (adult) life then I don't think we would need to worry about our children. I would hope that there would be more unbiased education going on in schools, covering both the benefits and the disadvantages (for some people) of using this plant both recreationally and for medical purposes. geanieo
  • Score: 2

2:24pm Fri 13 Jun 14

geanieo says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Andy-C wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish.
I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.
Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user.

Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??
This has nothing to do with being a "user" or not. This is about common sense. This is about educating YOURSELF, instead of believing every piece of news you see or read.

Yes, there is evidence that smoking cannabis can encourage mental health problems, but the number of people affected is a tiny tiny percentage of all cannabis "users". When you compare that with the medical benefits it has for millions of people it becomes a drop in the ocean.

Just out of interest, would you like alcohol to be made illegal? After all, it has massive "side effects" and ruins many lives. "Users" may naturally progress to using violence regularly, possibly neglecting their children, beating their partners.

No, there isn't any proof to suggest that cannabis is a "gateway drug". That was a concept that was made up, on the spot, with no evidence at all, by Harry Anslinger in the early 1950's. (Google him, most of the modern worlds drugs policies have been and still are based on his word alone!)

Please please do some research on this subject before you decide that you would like to deny people access to such a beneficial NATURAL substance!!
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!![/p][/quote]What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish. I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.[/p][/quote]Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user. Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with being a "user" or not. This is about common sense. This is about educating YOURSELF, instead of believing every piece of news you see or read. Yes, there is evidence that smoking cannabis can encourage mental health problems, but the number of people affected is a tiny tiny percentage of all cannabis "users". When you compare that with the medical benefits it has for millions of people it becomes a drop in the ocean. Just out of interest, would you like alcohol to be made illegal? After all, it has massive "side effects" and ruins many lives. "Users" may naturally progress to using violence regularly, possibly neglecting their children, beating their partners. No, there isn't any proof to suggest that cannabis is a "gateway drug". That was a concept that was made up, on the spot, with no evidence at all, by Harry Anslinger in the early 1950's. (Google him, most of the modern worlds drugs policies have been and still are based on his word alone!) Please please do some research on this subject before you decide that you would like to deny people access to such a beneficial NATURAL substance!! geanieo
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2:35pm Fri 13 Jun 14

geanieo says...

geanieo wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Andy-C wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish.
I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.
Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user.

Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??
This has nothing to do with being a "user" or not. This is about common sense. This is about educating YOURSELF, instead of believing every piece of news you see or read.

Yes, there is evidence that smoking cannabis can encourage mental health problems, but the number of people affected is a tiny tiny percentage of all cannabis "users". When you compare that with the medical benefits it has for millions of people it becomes a drop in the ocean.

Just out of interest, would you like alcohol to be made illegal? After all, it has massive "side effects" and ruins many lives. "Users" may naturally progress to using violence regularly, possibly neglecting their children, beating their partners.

No, there isn't any proof to suggest that cannabis is a "gateway drug". That was a concept that was made up, on the spot, with no evidence at all, by Harry Anslinger in the early 1950's. (Google him, most of the modern worlds drugs policies have been and still are based on his word alone!)

Please please do some research on this subject before you decide that you would like to deny people access to such a beneficial NATURAL substance!!
here's some good reading for you, especially regarding your socio-economic delusions! http://www.tdpf.org.
uk/blog/drug-decrimi
nalisation-portugal-
setting-record-strai
ght
[quote][p][bold]geanieo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!![/p][/quote]What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish. I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.[/p][/quote]Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user. Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with being a "user" or not. This is about common sense. This is about educating YOURSELF, instead of believing every piece of news you see or read. Yes, there is evidence that smoking cannabis can encourage mental health problems, but the number of people affected is a tiny tiny percentage of all cannabis "users". When you compare that with the medical benefits it has for millions of people it becomes a drop in the ocean. Just out of interest, would you like alcohol to be made illegal? After all, it has massive "side effects" and ruins many lives. "Users" may naturally progress to using violence regularly, possibly neglecting their children, beating their partners. No, there isn't any proof to suggest that cannabis is a "gateway drug". That was a concept that was made up, on the spot, with no evidence at all, by Harry Anslinger in the early 1950's. (Google him, most of the modern worlds drugs policies have been and still are based on his word alone!) Please please do some research on this subject before you decide that you would like to deny people access to such a beneficial NATURAL substance!![/p][/quote]here's some good reading for you, especially regarding your socio-economic delusions! http://www.tdpf.org. uk/blog/drug-decrimi nalisation-portugal- setting-record-strai ght geanieo
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4:08pm Fri 13 Jun 14

the matt_addison says...

If cannabis does one thing, to reduce the harm/use of alcohol, we should welcome it with open arms. Colorado has had a sharp drop in driving fatalities!! DIRECTLY linked with the re-legalisation of cannabis. Or were them lives just stupidly saved by waster drug users??? Not long now chapps, bongs in the pub!
If cannabis does one thing, to reduce the harm/use of alcohol, we should welcome it with open arms. Colorado has had a sharp drop in driving fatalities!! DIRECTLY linked with the re-legalisation of cannabis. Or were them lives just stupidly saved by waster drug users??? Not long now chapps, bongs in the pub! the matt_addison
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6:13pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Gravy 420 says...

LUSTARD wrote:
bambara wrote:
Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4.
For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher.

So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day...

Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger?

Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.
cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit
The more active ingredients ie the more stoned it gets you, the better the health benefits. Industrial hemp is only good for making paper, plastics substitutes, fuel, fibre, etc. Would recommend you read the Jack Herrer book called something like the Emperor has no Clothes for information on the history of hemp and uses of cannabis (Book is available free online). Also Google Rick Simpson oil for advise on medical use.
[quote][p][bold]LUSTARD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.[/p][/quote]cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit[/p][/quote]The more active ingredients ie the more stoned it gets you, the better the health benefits. Industrial hemp is only good for making paper, plastics substitutes, fuel, fibre, etc. Would recommend you read the Jack Herrer book called something like the Emperor has no Clothes for information on the history of hemp and uses of cannabis (Book is available free online). Also Google Rick Simpson oil for advise on medical use. Gravy 420
  • Score: -1

10:43pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Dr Martin says...

"The more active ingredients ie the more stoned it gets you, the better the health benefits"

So you are saying getting stoned is good for you?
"The more active ingredients ie the more stoned it gets you, the better the health benefits" So you are saying getting stoned is good for you? Dr Martin
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8:49am Sun 15 Jun 14

bambara says...

LUSTARD wrote:
bambara wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.
cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit
Of course the pot heads are giving the comment thumbs down Lustard, they do not want the fact of the serious risks to be mentioned.
[quote][p][bold]LUSTARD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.[/p][/quote]cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit[/p][/quote]Of course the pot heads are giving the comment thumbs down Lustard, they do not want the fact of the serious risks to be mentioned. bambara
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Tue 17 Jun 14

SomoneYouWillDisagreeWith says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Andy-C wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Dapablo wrote:
Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods.

The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.
Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons.

That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!!
What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish.
I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.
Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user.

Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??
Yes if you actually look:

And further to your earlier comment.

Your kids will grow up and smoke it like everyone else, hearing you talk down about it will only make them want to smoke it more. Trust me.

Then they will try it, realise you have unreasonably shielded their now infinite and impresionante minds from such a special experience. Then they will think you are stupid and mean for hiding it from them, and they will begin to tell you what the majority of the world are telling people like you these days.

OPEN YOUR MIND.

You think just from smoking that your kids will turn out all wrong? Do you think they are that weak in the head? That's so supportive for a mother..

The REASON it is becoming popular again is because MILLIONS of people EVERYDAY are finding it is a much healthier (in mind and body) "Drug" if that's what you want to label it. And can operate a perfectly sound lifestyle alongside using it recreationally. Just as you do, sitting there with your wine..

Wake up from "Reefer madness" or at least do a little research on why you were told to fear it in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dapablo[/bold] wrote: Barry Coppinger added: "Tackling illegal drug misuse and dealing remains a priority as as I hear first hand from our communities the harm it causes users and the neighbourhoods. The issue here isn't the drug it's the drug dealers, make it legal and your communities won't be terrorised by criminals.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but make it legal and you are also inviting misuse by people that do not use for medical reasons. That would bring wider recreational use and likely greater socio-economic problems. I for one don't want my kids to grow up thinking that proven mind altering substances is ok, there are enough alcohol related issues out there!![/p][/quote]What socio-economic problems would they be then? Do you mean the drop in violent crime or the drop in alcohol related crime or the drop in suicide rates amongst young men or the drop in numbers of people presenting with psychiatric problems, or do you mean the hundreds of millions of pounds the NHS would save on pharmaceuticals prescriptions. Maybe you should educate yourself as at the moment you are talking utter rubbish. I would much rather my children when they come of age had access to a safer recreational substance than alcohol with all it’s know health risks.[/p][/quote]Maybe I'm out the loop because I'm not a user. Is there new evidence to suggest that there are no side effects, that it doesn't naturally progress to harder drugs??[/p][/quote]Yes if you actually look: And further to your earlier comment. Your kids will grow up and smoke it like everyone else, hearing you talk down about it will only make them want to smoke it more. Trust me. Then they will try it, realise you have unreasonably shielded their now infinite and impresionante minds from such a special experience. Then they will think you are stupid and mean for hiding it from them, and they will begin to tell you what the majority of the world are telling people like you these days. OPEN YOUR MIND. You think just from smoking that your kids will turn out all wrong? Do you think they are that weak in the head? That's so supportive for a mother.. The REASON it is becoming popular again is because MILLIONS of people EVERYDAY are finding it is a much healthier (in mind and body) "Drug" if that's what you want to label it. And can operate a perfectly sound lifestyle alongside using it recreationally. Just as you do, sitting there with your wine.. Wake up from "Reefer madness" or at least do a little research on why you were told to fear it in the first place. SomoneYouWillDisagreeWith
  • Score: 1

11:46pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Dr Martin says...

bambara wrote:
LUSTARD wrote:
bambara wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.
cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit
Of course the pot heads are giving the comment thumbs down Lustard, they do not want the fact of the serious risks to be mentioned.
I have had experience of the pro pot's vote manipulation (not on the Northern Echo), it's annoying but I give as good as I get ;-)
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LUSTARD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.[/p][/quote]cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit[/p][/quote]Of course the pot heads are giving the comment thumbs down Lustard, they do not want the fact of the serious risks to be mentioned.[/p][/quote]I have had experience of the pro pot's vote manipulation (not on the Northern Echo), it's annoying but I give as good as I get ;-) Dr Martin
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11:46pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Dr Martin says...

bambara wrote:
LUSTARD wrote:
bambara wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.
cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit
Of course the pot heads are giving the comment thumbs down Lustard, they do not want the fact of the serious risks to be mentioned.
I have had experience of the pro pot's vote manipulation (not on the Northern Echo), it's annoying but I give as good as I get ;-)
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LUSTARD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Using Cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 4. For anyone in a family with a history of schizophrenia this increase is much higher. So if you want to play russian roulette with your brain and risk a future where you are no longer you, where you can't even trust what your own mind, your own senses are telling you from moment to moment, day to day... Your choice, you may be fine the first time, you may be fine the second time, you may be fine for weeks, months, how many times do you want to spin the chamber and pull the trigger? Don't believe or want to believe that? - just google Cannabis links to schizophrenia and follow the links to the information.[/p][/quote]cant believe your red arrowed for a sensible contribution. is this stuff the type grown as hemp, with i understand no high but perhaps some medical benefit, or the stronger type that gets you high with no medical benefit[/p][/quote]Of course the pot heads are giving the comment thumbs down Lustard, they do not want the fact of the serious risks to be mentioned.[/p][/quote]I have had experience of the pro pot's vote manipulation (not on the Northern Echo), it's annoying but I give as good as I get ;-) Dr Martin
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