Darlington MP Jenny Chapman supports campaign calling for more people to use buses

Billingham bus driver Brian Arnold was picked to appear on posters as part of the Catch the Bus Week initiative

Billingham bus driver Brian Arnold was picked to appear on posters as part of the Catch the Bus Week initiative

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DARLINGTON MP Jenny Chapman has backed a campaign to get more people using buses in the town.

Ms Chapman attended the Darlington launch of the national Catch the Bus Week initiative and said bus companies should continue to do all they can to encourage more people to leave their cars at home.

She said: “I think it is important to encourage more people to use buses because it means we get more cars off the road which reduces congestion, it is also better for the environment and there is a health benefit to getting a walk at either end of your journey.

“I think bus companies need to do their best and I am pleased that Arriva seem to be willing to try and make it easier for passengers.

“They are investing in new buses and what we need to see is more buses going to places that people want to be, on time, and we need fares to stay down so that people can afford to use the bus.”

The campaign launch saw an Arriva bus parked at Joseph Pease Place today (Friday, April 25) and entertainment provided by Darlington dance troupe Dimensions.

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4:44pm Fri 25 Apr 14

charliebrown1 says...

maybe she should check that buses actually turn up when the timetable says they should and not take certain buses off then maybe more people would use the service!
maybe she should check that buses actually turn up when the timetable says they should and not take certain buses off then maybe more people would use the service! charliebrown1
  • Score: 17

5:40pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MSG says...

Stupid woman !

If only we had a bus to use on a night when I , for one , would like to use one !!
Stupid woman ! If only we had a bus to use on a night when I , for one , would like to use one !! MSG
  • Score: 16

5:50pm Fri 25 Apr 14

stevegg says...

That obviously wont include you jenny Chapaman, dont want to be mixing with the plebs.
That obviously wont include you jenny Chapaman, dont want to be mixing with the plebs. stevegg
  • Score: 14

10:13am Sat 26 Apr 14

miketually says...

It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop.

I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.
It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop. I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense. miketually
  • Score: 7

10:15am Sat 26 Apr 14

miketually says...

I forgot about coming home: make that £8.
I forgot about coming home: make that £8. miketually
  • Score: 7

11:52am Sat 26 Apr 14

mst1058 says...

i think they need to be more busses early in the morning for people who start work rather than every 6-10 mins through the day also more early morning busses to out of town places like shildon for people starting work at 6-00am not everyone has a 8-5 job
i think they need to be more busses early in the morning for people who start work rather than every 6-10 mins through the day also more early morning busses to out of town places like shildon for people starting work at 6-00am not everyone has a 8-5 job mst1058
  • Score: 7

11:54am Sat 26 Apr 14

mst1058 says...

can i ask why the busses leave the depot to go to town empty why not start the shift from depot that way they can pick people up on way to town
can i ask why the busses leave the depot to go to town empty why not start the shift from depot that way they can pick people up on way to town mst1058
  • Score: 8

12:08pm Sat 26 Apr 14

andygib263 says...

mst1058 wrote:
can i ask why the busses leave the depot to go to town empty why not start the shift from depot that way they can pick people up on way to town
As an ex-driver Arriva have around 50-60 starting routes each morning. Some buses do pick up on the way to town however its more important to arrive at your destination at the timetabled time
[quote][p][bold]mst1058[/bold] wrote: can i ask why the busses leave the depot to go to town empty why not start the shift from depot that way they can pick people up on way to town[/p][/quote]As an ex-driver Arriva have around 50-60 starting routes each morning. Some buses do pick up on the way to town however its more important to arrive at your destination at the timetabled time andygib263
  • Score: 2

4:45pm Sat 26 Apr 14

BMD says...

By mistake I switched the TV onto Parliament channel, and low and behold Jenny Chapman was asked to pose her question to the Prime Minister at PMQ's

I sat with baited breath wondering what poser she would hit the PM with regarding Darlington.

I am sorry to report; she only toed the Labour party line and asked about Maria Miller – What a wasted opportunity!

But thats Jenny Chapman and Labour
By mistake I switched the TV onto Parliament channel, and low and behold Jenny Chapman was asked to pose her question to the Prime Minister at PMQ's I sat with baited breath wondering what poser she would hit the PM with regarding Darlington. I am sorry to report; she only toed the Labour party line and asked about Maria Miller – What a wasted opportunity! But thats Jenny Chapman and Labour BMD
  • Score: 7

9:36pm Sat 26 Apr 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

Who would want to use the bus? Given the choice between your nice comfortable, clean, air conditioned, nimble, quiet car which offers privacy and luxury amongst other things...

Or take the bus which offers none of the above and which costs a fortune.

It's a no brainer.

We pay huge amounts to buy and keep our private vehicles onnthe roads (which aee an absolute disgrace by the way )...Why would anyone want to trade that for a bus. Not me that's for sure.

Car makers are desperate to sell as many vehicles as possible every year. They are encouraged to do so not least by the government. And yet the motorist is constantly being sh1t on from a great height by local and central governments alike. We're all being encouraged to "take the bus' by both. New road schemes and improvements are done almost exclusively to aid bus journeys, not car owners. There's something very wrong with what's going on and it needs sorting out. Car drivers are cash cows, pure and simple and we all know it. And the more we're encouraged to take the bus the less we are likely to do so, because we all know it's disingenuous clap trap from every government that gets in.

So Ms Chapman. You take the bus with your cronies if you like. I'll stick to the car thank you very much. And id appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell us all how we should lead our lives.
Who would want to use the bus? Given the choice between your nice comfortable, clean, air conditioned, nimble, quiet car which offers privacy and luxury amongst other things... Or take the bus which offers none of the above and which costs a fortune. It's a no brainer. We pay huge amounts to buy and keep our private vehicles onnthe roads (which aee an absolute disgrace by the way )...Why would anyone want to trade that for a bus. Not me that's for sure. Car makers are desperate to sell as many vehicles as possible every year. They are encouraged to do so not least by the government. And yet the motorist is constantly being sh1t on from a great height by local and central governments alike. We're all being encouraged to "take the bus' by both. New road schemes and improvements are done almost exclusively to aid bus journeys, not car owners. There's something very wrong with what's going on and it needs sorting out. Car drivers are cash cows, pure and simple and we all know it. And the more we're encouraged to take the bus the less we are likely to do so, because we all know it's disingenuous clap trap from every government that gets in. So Ms Chapman. You take the bus with your cronies if you like. I'll stick to the car thank you very much. And id appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell us all how we should lead our lives. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 11

9:39pm Sat 26 Apr 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

miketually wrote:
It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop.

I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.
Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely?

But then again.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop. I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.[/p][/quote]Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely? But then again. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 2

6:32pm Mon 28 Apr 14

grandmab says...

I take the bus regularly to town in the morning. It takes two hours and two buses to get to Newcastle There used to be an express but the company found it could make more money by breaking the journey and axing local buses and adding their routes to the journey. Result? I take the train about the same price but 40 min. each way. I used to take the number 23 to south park from Harrowgate Hill but they axed that and cut the night buses so I cannot visit my friends without dragging my walking frame all over town to connect and forget evening journeys. Then there are the louts who take up a whole seat so you have to stand and drivers who no longer advocate for disabled passengers. Taxi costs about the same as a return journey on the bus. No brainer I need to use the bus but I would rather not.
I take the bus regularly to town in the morning. It takes two hours and two buses to get to Newcastle There used to be an express but the company found it could make more money by breaking the journey and axing local buses and adding their routes to the journey. Result? I take the train about the same price but 40 min. each way. I used to take the number 23 to south park from Harrowgate Hill but they axed that and cut the night buses so I cannot visit my friends without dragging my walking frame all over town to connect and forget evening journeys. Then there are the louts who take up a whole seat so you have to stand and drivers who no longer advocate for disabled passengers. Taxi costs about the same as a return journey on the bus. No brainer I need to use the bus but I would rather not. grandmab
  • Score: 8

8:54pm Mon 28 Apr 14

oliviaden6 says...

Oh we do have a MP then what rock has she crawled out from under, there must be elections coming up.
Oh we do have a MP then what rock has she crawled out from under, there must be elections coming up. oliviaden6
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Tue 29 Apr 14

marilyn49 says...

I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical.
I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical. marilyn49
  • Score: 4

2:12am Wed 30 Apr 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Besides the shudder of personal discomfort that affects me at the very thought of using a municipal bus service, I fail to see how less than half full buses are more environmentally friendly. Particularly when one also factors in the cost externalities of associated disease.

Further, such pandering to the green agenda is largely futile given the ever increasing carbon outputs of China and India, and the unresolved population resource problem that is also being created in those two nations. Until these issues are sorted the 'green positives of bus travel' are akin to playing upon a violin whilst Rome burns.
Besides the shudder of personal discomfort that affects me at the very thought of using a municipal bus service, I fail to see how less than half full buses are more environmentally friendly. Particularly when one also factors in the cost externalities of associated disease. Further, such pandering to the green agenda is largely futile given the ever increasing carbon outputs of China and India, and the unresolved population resource problem that is also being created in those two nations. Until these issues are sorted the 'green positives of bus travel' are akin to playing upon a violin whilst Rome burns. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 2

9:31am Wed 30 Apr 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop.

I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.
Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely?

But then again.
Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others.

I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop. I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.[/p][/quote]Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely? But then again.[/p][/quote]Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others. I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years. miketually
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Wed 30 Apr 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

miketually wrote:
thetruthyoucanthandl

ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop.

I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.
Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely?

But then again.
Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others.

I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.
Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop. I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.[/p][/quote]Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely? But then again.[/p][/quote]Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others. I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.[/p][/quote]Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: -5

4:33pm Wed 30 Apr 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
thetruthyoucanthandl


ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop.

I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.
Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely?

But then again.
Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others.

I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.
Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure.
Care to elaborate, or just the usual jibes and insults?
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop. I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.[/p][/quote]Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely? But then again.[/p][/quote]Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others. I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.[/p][/quote]Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Care to elaborate, or just the usual jibes and insults? miketually
  • Score: 2

7:07pm Wed 30 Apr 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

miketually wrote:
thetruthyoucanthandl

ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
thetruthyoucanthandl



ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop.

I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.
Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely?

But then again.
Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others.

I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.
Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure.
Care to elaborate, or just the usual jibes and insults?
You want me to explain what hypocrisy is, or explain why you''re a hypocrite?

As a fully paid up member of the anti-car/pro bike brigade, you should know exactly what I mean.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop. I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.[/p][/quote]Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely? But then again.[/p][/quote]Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others. I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.[/p][/quote]Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Care to elaborate, or just the usual jibes and insults?[/p][/quote]You want me to explain what hypocrisy is, or explain why you''re a hypocrite? As a fully paid up member of the anti-car/pro bike brigade, you should know exactly what I mean. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: -1

7:48pm Wed 30 Apr 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
thetruthyoucanthandl


ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
thetruthyoucanthandl




ethetruth
wrote:
miketually wrote:
It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop.

I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.
Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely?

But then again.
Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others.

I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.
Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure.
Care to elaborate, or just the usual jibes and insults?
You want me to explain what hypocrisy is, or explain why you''re a hypocrite?

As a fully paid up member of the anti-car/pro bike brigade, you should know exactly what I mean.
Ah, it's the old "if you're pro-bike you must be anti-car" thing, where anyone who is in favour of encouraging more bike use is a hypocrite if they own or use a car.

See if you can join the dots:

I think there should be more investment in bike infrastructure, because that would enable people to get around without using their car. Is it not clear that implies I don't currently think it is always safe or convenient to use a bike, and that might mean that sometimes I need to use a car?

That applies in other areas: I think that the cheapest, most convenient way for a family to get into town is bike bus. If it were, we'd use the bus. Because it isn't, we don't. Hence: I can say that buses are too expensive so we don't use them whilst still wishing we could.

Clear now?
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: It'd cost us £4 as a family to get the bus into town. That'd pay for four hours parking (if we parked in a pay and display, which we never do), and we'd be in the shops in the time it took us to walk to, and wait at, the bus stop. I really wish we could use the bus, but it just doesn't make financial sense.[/p][/quote]Why would you 'wish' you could use the bus as opposed to the car? Nobody in their right mind would trade their car for a bus, surely? But then again.[/p][/quote]Because I'm aware that my actions have an impact on others. I used to commute by bus and quite enjoyed the quiet time reading in the morning, but I can ride my bike home, for free, in the time it takes to wait for a bus in the town centre so haven't for years.[/p][/quote]Your hypocrisy is undeniable that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Care to elaborate, or just the usual jibes and insults?[/p][/quote]You want me to explain what hypocrisy is, or explain why you''re a hypocrite? As a fully paid up member of the anti-car/pro bike brigade, you should know exactly what I mean.[/p][/quote]Ah, it's the old "if you're pro-bike you must be anti-car" thing, where anyone who is in favour of encouraging more bike use is a hypocrite if they own or use a car. See if you can join the dots: I think there should be more investment in bike infrastructure, because that would enable people to get around without using their car. Is it not clear that implies I don't currently think it is always safe or convenient to use a bike, and that might mean that sometimes I need to use a car? That applies in other areas: I think that the cheapest, most convenient way for a family to get into town is bike bus. If it were, we'd use the bus. Because it isn't, we don't. Hence: I can say that buses are too expensive so we don't use them whilst still wishing we could. Clear now? miketually
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Wed 30 Apr 14

miketually says...

This'll confuse your world view even more: if you look in that post carefully, you'll realise there's criticism of the council.
This'll confuse your world view even more: if you look in that post carefully, you'll realise there's criticism of the council. miketually
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Wed 30 Apr 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

Dull. Very dull. And hypocritical.
Dull. Very dull. And hypocritical. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
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8:35pm Wed 30 Apr 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
Dull. Very dull. And hypocritical.
Would you care to respond with reasoned argument, or are you sticking to insults?
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: Dull. Very dull. And hypocritical.[/p][/quote]Would you care to respond with reasoned argument, or are you sticking to insults? miketually
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9:06am Thu 1 May 14

MartinMo says...

marilyn49 wrote:
I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical.
Spot on

I own a car but at times have used the bus to get from my home into town with my family. My car and bus trips are very different:

By Car.

Estimated travel time = 20mins (return)
Estimated travel cost = £3.00 (parking and fuel consumption)
Other factors = pleasant odour, comfort, family together, boot space for shopping.

By Bus

Estimated travel Time = 50-60mins (return) incorporating wait times and stops
Estimated travel cost = £9.60 (family return)
Other factors = possible seperated seating, odour consisting of steal cigarette smoke and alcohol, no storage for shopping

It is not often I will use the bus for the reasons above and probably wont again, I could cope with the travel time if the cost of travel dropped to be lower than the cost of using the car.

Another bad situation os having to get onto different buses depending on your starting and finishing destination as this increases the cost yet again.
[quote][p][bold]marilyn49[/bold] wrote: I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical.[/p][/quote]Spot on I own a car but at times have used the bus to get from my home into town with my family. My car and bus trips are very different: By Car. Estimated travel time = 20mins (return) Estimated travel cost = £3.00 (parking and fuel consumption) Other factors = pleasant odour, comfort, family together, boot space for shopping. By Bus Estimated travel Time = 50-60mins (return) incorporating wait times and stops Estimated travel cost = £9.60 (family return) Other factors = possible seperated seating, odour consisting of steal cigarette smoke and alcohol, no storage for shopping It is not often I will use the bus for the reasons above and probably wont again, I could cope with the travel time if the cost of travel dropped to be lower than the cost of using the car. Another bad situation os having to get onto different buses depending on your starting and finishing destination as this increases the cost yet again. MartinMo
  • Score: 5

11:54am Thu 1 May 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

marilyn49 wrote:
I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical.
Please stop with the patronizing Greenpeace crap about blighting the planet. It'd be interesting to study your particular lifestyle and take a close look at the carbon emissions coming from it.

And making the bus financially practical won't make any difference. This is about choice, pure and simple. And people will, in general, choose a car over the bus because of the reasons I gave earlier.
[quote][p][bold]marilyn49[/bold] wrote: I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical.[/p][/quote]Please stop with the patronizing Greenpeace crap about blighting the planet. It'd be interesting to study your particular lifestyle and take a close look at the carbon emissions coming from it. And making the bus financially practical won't make any difference. This is about choice, pure and simple. And people will, in general, choose a car over the bus because of the reasons I gave earlier. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Thu 1 May 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
marilyn49 wrote:
I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical.
Please stop with the patronizing Greenpeace crap about blighting the planet. It'd be interesting to study your particular lifestyle and take a close look at the carbon emissions coming from it.

And making the bus financially practical won't make any difference. This is about choice, pure and simple. And people will, in general, choose a car over the bus because of the reasons I gave earlier.
And those people are free to continue to choose the car, despite encouragement to use the bus.

At the moment, there isn't a choice because the bus service isn't adequate for the needs of people who want to choose to use it. If it were cheaper and ran at times/locations people needed it then more people would have the choice.

Remember, if more people choose to use the bus (or walk or ride a bike) it's fewer people on the roads in cars causing congestion which slows down the people who choose to drive. Encouraging non-car transport benefits those who choose to stay in their cars.
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marilyn49[/bold] wrote: I suspect people 'wish they could use the bus' because they are more environmentally friendly than the cars they could replace. Not everyone wants to blight the planet like 'the truth .....etc' But it needs to be made financially practical.[/p][/quote]Please stop with the patronizing Greenpeace crap about blighting the planet. It'd be interesting to study your particular lifestyle and take a close look at the carbon emissions coming from it. And making the bus financially practical won't make any difference. This is about choice, pure and simple. And people will, in general, choose a car over the bus because of the reasons I gave earlier.[/p][/quote]And those people are free to continue to choose the car, despite encouragement to use the bus. At the moment, there isn't a choice because the bus service isn't adequate for the needs of people who want to choose to use it. If it were cheaper and ran at times/locations people needed it then more people would have the choice. Remember, if more people choose to use the bus (or walk or ride a bike) it's fewer people on the roads in cars causing congestion which slows down the people who choose to drive. Encouraging non-car transport benefits those who choose to stay in their cars. miketually
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12:49pm Thu 1 May 14

miketually says...

We've also got to consider the people who don't have a choice - IIRC, one third of Darlington households don't have a car.
We've also got to consider the people who don't have a choice - IIRC, one third of Darlington households don't have a car. miketually
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1:19pm Thu 1 May 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

I repeat,.. nobody is going to freely choose the bus over their car.

Which is why underhanded tactics are constantly being used against car drivers, in the hope that they will leave the car at home and take the bus.

and all the while, car production continues to rise, (and is actively encouraged to do so) and more and more people are being employed in the car manufacturing, service and sales businesses as a result.

The two worlds don't get along very well together, do they?

I'll continue to take the car everytime thank you. I've paid for it and it costs me dearly - but the freedom of movement it gives is well worth the money.
I repeat,.. nobody is going to freely choose the bus over their car. Which is why underhanded tactics are constantly being used against car drivers, in the hope that they will leave the car at home and take the bus. and all the while, car production continues to rise, (and is actively encouraged to do so) and more and more people are being employed in the car manufacturing, service and sales businesses as a result. The two worlds don't get along very well together, do they? I'll continue to take the car everytime thank you. I've paid for it and it costs me dearly - but the freedom of movement it gives is well worth the money. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
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5:37pm Thu 1 May 14

miketually says...

thetruthyoucanthandl
ethetruth
wrote:
I repeat,.. nobody is going to freely choose the bus over their car.

Which is why underhanded tactics are constantly being used against car drivers, in the hope that they will leave the car at home and take the bus.

and all the while, car production continues to rise, (and is actively encouraged to do so) and more and more people are being employed in the car manufacturing, service and sales businesses as a result.

The two worlds don't get along very well together, do they?

I'll continue to take the car everytime thank you. I've paid for it and it costs me dearly - but the freedom of movement it gives is well worth the money.
"Nobody", despite two people on here saying that they would?
[quote][p][bold]thetruthyoucanthandl ethetruth[/bold] wrote: I repeat,.. nobody is going to freely choose the bus over their car. Which is why underhanded tactics are constantly being used against car drivers, in the hope that they will leave the car at home and take the bus. and all the while, car production continues to rise, (and is actively encouraged to do so) and more and more people are being employed in the car manufacturing, service and sales businesses as a result. The two worlds don't get along very well together, do they? I'll continue to take the car everytime thank you. I've paid for it and it costs me dearly - but the freedom of movement it gives is well worth the money.[/p][/quote]"Nobody", despite two people on here saying that they would? miketually
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1:03pm Fri 2 May 14

MartinMo says...

I could get the bus from my home to my place of work but it would mean leaving for work an hour earlier than usual and running costs in excess of £8 due to connecting bus costs other the less than £1 cost incurred through fuel usage for using my own car. Even getting a taxi would work out cheaper than the bus.

There is no way a bus company could stay in business if it lowered its prices so much it made making journeys cheaper than the cost of using the car.
I could get the bus from my home to my place of work but it would mean leaving for work an hour earlier than usual and running costs in excess of £8 due to connecting bus costs other the less than £1 cost incurred through fuel usage for using my own car. Even getting a taxi would work out cheaper than the bus. There is no way a bus company could stay in business if it lowered its prices so much it made making journeys cheaper than the cost of using the car. MartinMo
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