Prime Minister to investigate ambulance delays that left 85-year-old Darlington woman lying on the floor for five hours

Prime Minister to investigate ambulance delays that left 85-year-old Darlington woman lying on the floor for five hours

Prime Minister to investigate ambulance delays that left 85-year-old Darlington woman lying on the floor for five hours

Darlington MP Jenny Chapman raised Mrs McNeilly's case with David Cameron

First published in News The Northern Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Darlington reporter

PRIME Minister David Cameron has promised to investigate ambulance response times in the North-East after delays left an 85-year-old woman lying on the floor for almost five hours waiting for paramedics.

Florence McNeilly fell in the bathroom of her home in Darlington at 6pm but paramedics did not arrive at the scene until 10.45pm.

Her daughter, Sue McNeilly, 58, made repeated calls to the North East Ambulance Service (NEAS) control centre during the incident earlier this month, only to be told that there were more urgent calls taking precedence.

Ms McNeilly said the wait for an ambulance had been distressing for her mother, who is now living in a care home, and that she wanted to speak out in an attempt to prevent similar delays in future.

In a statement NEAS apologised to Mrs McNeilly for the delay and said paramedics aimed to reach patients with non-life threatening conditions within 30 minutes, but that without further details they could not comment specifically on her case.

The delay involving Mrs McNeilly follows an earlier incident in Newton Aycliffe when an ambulance called to 82-year-old Jessie Higginbottom, who was vomiting blood, took almost four hours to arrive.

Her son, Bob Clark, 60, said that when he asked ambulance control about the delay, staff said Mrs Higginbottom’s case was not urgent and there were high levels of calls.

Darlington MP Jenny Chapman raised both incidents during Prime Minister’s Questions yesterday (Wednesday, March 26).

Mr Cameron said response targets were in place for all ambulance services and added: “I’m very happy to look to see what happened in this case and if there are lessons to be learned for the future.”

Ms McNeilly said she was pleased to hear that her mother’s case had reached the highest levels of government.

She said: “Mum fell just after 6pm in the bathroom, straight on to her face. She was complaining of pain in her shoulder and although me and my daughter tried to get her into a comfortable position we couldn’t do it.

“I called 999 and they deemed her to be a non-emergency – they said she would have to wait up to an hour for an ambulance.

“But then 7pm came and 8pm. I kept calling and each time the call handlers just asked if she was still breathing and gave me some checks to do.

“They said there were other emergencies, which I fully appreciate, but I was so distressed.”

Mrs McNeilly was eventually lifted from the floor and checked over by paramedics, who found she had minor injuries to her head but did not need hospital treatment.

Her daughter said: “There’s no way I would exaggerate the condition my mother was in just to get her seen quicker. I know that emergencies have to be seen first but to wait four hours is the thin end of the wedge.”

Mrs Chapman said she had concerns about ambulance response times in Darlington and had arranged a meeting with NEAS chief executive Simon Featherstone next week to discuss the matter.

She said: “I raised the issue in Prime Minister’s Questions because the issue of ambulance waiting times and delays in the health service as a whole aren’t getting any better.

“It’s not just ambulances; it’s about delays in A&E and GP services. The whole system is under pressure.”

An NEAS spokeswoman said: “We are very sorry that Florence had to wait so long and would urge her family to get in touch so we can investigate this fully.

“For patients who do not have a potentially life-threatening condition there is no national standard for us to respond, although we aim to have an ambulance arrive within 30 minutes where we can.

“An increase in pressure across the entire health system has contributed to higher demand for ambulances, particularly for those who do not have an immediate life-threatening need.

“Without more details on this particular incident, it is very difficult for us to review the circumstances surrounding our response to Florence.”

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7:45am Thu 27 Mar 14

Jonn says...

Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands. Jonn
  • Score: 32

10:07am Thu 27 Mar 14

stevegg says...

The NHS (despite ther 1.3 million staff & being the worlds 3rd largest employeer) and ambulance service are barely clinging on by their fingertips. Both these services working practices (more so the NHS) are rooted in another era and need wholesale root and branch reform to become more effective and efficient. I know several people who work for the NHS both clinical and non clinical and its the clinical staff who are alaways rushed off their feet 24/7 whilst its the opposite case with non clinical staff who have huge spare capacity. John is right there are only 2 ambulances covering 100,000 plus people in Darlington, there is also a fast response paramedic in a car, there are also less than 300 beds in Darlington Hospital so you dont have to be Einstein to work out it wouldnt take much to overwhelm the system, it works almost to capacity on a normal working day with little or no slack. In reality the whole system would collapse should there be a huge disaster.
The NHS (despite ther 1.3 million staff & being the worlds 3rd largest employeer) and ambulance service are barely clinging on by their fingertips. Both these services working practices (more so the NHS) are rooted in another era and need wholesale root and branch reform to become more effective and efficient. I know several people who work for the NHS both clinical and non clinical and its the clinical staff who are alaways rushed off their feet 24/7 whilst its the opposite case with non clinical staff who have huge spare capacity. John is right there are only 2 ambulances covering 100,000 plus people in Darlington, there is also a fast response paramedic in a car, there are also less than 300 beds in Darlington Hospital so you dont have to be Einstein to work out it wouldnt take much to overwhelm the system, it works almost to capacity on a normal working day with little or no slack. In reality the whole system would collapse should there be a huge disaster. stevegg
  • Score: 17

10:50am Thu 27 Mar 14

hgvdriver says...

Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed
Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed hgvdriver
  • Score: 8

11:17am Thu 27 Mar 14

stevegg says...

hgvdriver wrote:
Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed
The ambulances you see at DMH come from all over the North East ambulance trust area. Its normal practice, due to availability, for an ambualnce to be deployed from say from Chester Le Street to Barnard Castle (I have first hand experience of this happening) on a 999 run only then to take the patient to Darlington and be redployed from there. Same with Darlington based ambulances, as a crew you could potentially end up anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]hgvdriver[/bold] wrote: Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed[/p][/quote]The ambulances you see at DMH come from all over the North East ambulance trust area. Its normal practice, due to availability, for an ambualnce to be deployed from say from Chester Le Street to Barnard Castle (I have first hand experience of this happening) on a 999 run only then to take the patient to Darlington and be redployed from there. Same with Darlington based ambulances, as a crew you could potentially end up anywhere. stevegg
  • Score: 12

11:53am Thu 27 Mar 14

Jonn says...

hgvdriver wrote:
Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed
Yes, two. The others you saw at DMH would have been from other areas of the North East.
The entire system is in meltdown whilst more private providers are creaming off the profitable parts of the NHS!
Do you think David Camerons grandmother would be left waiting 3 hours and 25 minutes for an ambulance. Not a chance.
[quote][p][bold]hgvdriver[/bold] wrote: Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed[/p][/quote]Yes, two. The others you saw at DMH would have been from other areas of the North East. The entire system is in meltdown whilst more private providers are creaming off the profitable parts of the NHS! Do you think David Camerons grandmother would be left waiting 3 hours and 25 minutes for an ambulance. Not a chance. Jonn
  • Score: 18

12:20pm Thu 27 Mar 14

bambara says...

In terms of the health service & as a proportion of GDP the UK spends half what the USA spends. Both France and Germany spend half as much again (150%) of what the UK spends (again as a proportion of GDP).

The issue isn't that the NHS is inefficient, it is simply underfunded. It has been starved of funding, death by 1000 cuts (or more accurately below inflation rises) and disrupted by government meddling to introduce competition.

The tories want to slowly privatise the NHS, piece by piece and bit by bit.
For them it is a matter of ideology.
For the rest of us it is life and death, but the lives of ordinary people are far less important to them than profits for the companies they can hive services off to, and the associated non-executive directorships that they can get when they leave the commons.
In terms of the health service & as a proportion of GDP the UK spends half what the USA spends. Both France and Germany spend half as much again (150%) of what the UK spends (again as a proportion of GDP). The issue isn't that the NHS is inefficient, it is simply underfunded. It has been starved of funding, death by 1000 cuts (or more accurately below inflation rises) and disrupted by government meddling to introduce competition. The tories want to slowly privatise the NHS, piece by piece and bit by bit. For them it is a matter of ideology. For the rest of us it is life and death, but the lives of ordinary people are far less important to them than profits for the companies they can hive services off to, and the associated non-executive directorships that they can get when they leave the commons. bambara
  • Score: 13

12:43pm Thu 27 Mar 14

loan_star says...

Problem is you only hear of isolated cases. How many people get an ambulance quickly and have no reason to complain? Yes its not nice if you are the one that has the delay but no organisation is 100% efficient.
Also has to be remembered that Bishop Auckland had its own A&E until a few years ago, that added more pressure on to the Darlington service. It wasnt the tories that closed that down though was it. The NHS is no better in labours hands.
Problem is you only hear of isolated cases. How many people get an ambulance quickly and have no reason to complain? Yes its not nice if you are the one that has the delay but no organisation is 100% efficient. Also has to be remembered that Bishop Auckland had its own A&E until a few years ago, that added more pressure on to the Darlington service. It wasnt the tories that closed that down though was it. The NHS is no better in labours hands. loan_star
  • Score: 4

1:23pm Thu 27 Mar 14

grandmab says...

hgvdriver wrote:
Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed
Probably coming from other jurisdictions. The NHS in its wisdom has decided that certain procedures are only done at certain hospitals so might have been transferring from Bishop or elsewhere. Sometimes the long wait is because our ambulances are out of town and we have to wait for one from Bishop or Durham
[quote][p][bold]hgvdriver[/bold] wrote: Only two I could have sworn I saw 5 on Thursday all dropping off at the same time and in fairness the ambulances I saw were old wrecks too government should be ashamed[/p][/quote]Probably coming from other jurisdictions. The NHS in its wisdom has decided that certain procedures are only done at certain hospitals so might have been transferring from Bishop or elsewhere. Sometimes the long wait is because our ambulances are out of town and we have to wait for one from Bishop or Durham grandmab
  • Score: 7

1:27pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Topcat28 says...

There is a simple answer, pay more tax. The Scandinavian health service is one of the best in the world for a reason.
There is a simple answer, pay more tax. The Scandinavian health service is one of the best in the world for a reason. Topcat28
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Thu 27 Mar 14

behonest says...

bambara wrote:
In terms of the health service & as a proportion of GDP the UK spends half what the USA spends. Both France and Germany spend half as much again (150%) of what the UK spends (again as a proportion of GDP).

The issue isn't that the NHS is inefficient, it is simply underfunded. It has been starved of funding, death by 1000 cuts (or more accurately below inflation rises) and disrupted by government meddling to introduce competition.

The tories want to slowly privatise the NHS, piece by piece and bit by bit.
For them it is a matter of ideology.
For the rest of us it is life and death, but the lives of ordinary people are far less important to them than profits for the companies they can hive services off to, and the associated non-executive directorships that they can get when they leave the commons.
Bandying around different views of what % of GDP should be spent on anything, is not really helpful.
Your "The issue isn't that the NHS is inefficient, it is simply underfunded. It has been starved of funding, death by 1000 cuts .." is just completely wrong.
NHS net expenditure has increased from £57 billion in 2002/03 to over £105 billion in 2012/13, so almost doubled in 10 years. Expenditure for 2013/14 was planned at £110 billion. These are huge increases, by anyone's standards, and means far more money is being spent on the NHS than ever before.

So how much more taxpayers money should the government throw at the NHS?

The managers and senior medical staff of NHS organisations that receive these massive sums should be held accountable for delivering the quality services that they are paid to deliver, rather than them attempting to avoid responsibility by trying the usual 'the government needs to throw even more taxpayers money at the NHS' routine.

Or maybe David Cameron should be expected to drive the ambulances himself? I've a better idea; privatise NEAS and then payment to the company that takes it over (and perhaps staff bonuses) can be linked to their performance and meeting certain response times. Rather than the current system of regardless how long it takes, the staff get paid exactly the same, no matter what.

Who cares whether the NHS is privatised or not? It's the quality of patient care that matters, not who pays the wages of the staff. If a company can make profit and still improve services to patients, at a lower overall cost to the taxpayer, then what's the problem?
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: In terms of the health service & as a proportion of GDP the UK spends half what the USA spends. Both France and Germany spend half as much again (150%) of what the UK spends (again as a proportion of GDP). The issue isn't that the NHS is inefficient, it is simply underfunded. It has been starved of funding, death by 1000 cuts (or more accurately below inflation rises) and disrupted by government meddling to introduce competition. The tories want to slowly privatise the NHS, piece by piece and bit by bit. For them it is a matter of ideology. For the rest of us it is life and death, but the lives of ordinary people are far less important to them than profits for the companies they can hive services off to, and the associated non-executive directorships that they can get when they leave the commons.[/p][/quote]Bandying around different views of what % of GDP should be spent on anything, is not really helpful. Your "The issue isn't that the NHS is inefficient, it is simply underfunded. It has been starved of funding, death by 1000 cuts .." is just completely wrong. NHS net expenditure has increased from £57 billion in 2002/03 to over £105 billion in 2012/13, so almost doubled in 10 years. Expenditure for 2013/14 was planned at £110 billion. These are huge increases, by anyone's standards, and means far more money is being spent on the NHS than ever before. So how much more taxpayers money should the government throw at the NHS? The managers and senior medical staff of NHS organisations that receive these massive sums should be held accountable for delivering the quality services that they are paid to deliver, rather than them attempting to avoid responsibility by trying the usual 'the government needs to throw even more taxpayers money at the NHS' routine. Or maybe David Cameron should be expected to drive the ambulances himself? I've a better idea; privatise NEAS and then payment to the company that takes it over (and perhaps staff bonuses) can be linked to their performance and meeting certain response times. Rather than the current system of regardless how long it takes, the staff get paid exactly the same, no matter what. Who cares whether the NHS is privatised or not? It's the quality of patient care that matters, not who pays the wages of the staff. If a company can make profit and still improve services to patients, at a lower overall cost to the taxpayer, then what's the problem? behonest
  • Score: -3

2:10pm Thu 27 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count.

Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........?

Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count. Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........? Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next. johnny_p
  • Score: -6

2:25pm Thu 27 Mar 14

andreadarlo says...

iv nothing but praise for the ambulance staff! they do a great job. saved my fathers life numerous times and were at my door within 3 mins when my daughter had a life threatning asthma attack Thats the whole point of 999, for when its life threatning. the lady mentioned in the story was treated at home ( not exactly life threatning then?). if people didnt ring them for the slightest little thing then they would be able to get to those in need of emergency help a lot quicker!
iv nothing but praise for the ambulance staff! they do a great job. saved my fathers life numerous times and were at my door within 3 mins when my daughter had a life threatning asthma attack Thats the whole point of 999, for when its life threatning. the lady mentioned in the story was treated at home ( not exactly life threatning then?). if people didnt ring them for the slightest little thing then they would be able to get to those in need of emergency help a lot quicker! andreadarlo
  • Score: 15

4:53pm Thu 27 Mar 14

ianh says...

At the out-set i must affirm that i have nothing but gratitude and admiration for all the NHS staff we encountered, and my sole concern is that of capacity within the A&E system.

The incident itself involved my wife, who fell whilst shopping in Victoria Rd, Darlington Branch of Sainsburys last Autumn, breaking her leg in two places. Subsequently, my daughter who was with her, fainted and banged her head and also deemed ( by the paramedic ) to need Hospital treatment.

The Fast Responder Paramedic arrived quickly and dealt with both in a most skilled and professional manner.
However, having myself had to drive from my office in Richmond, I was still on site some 20 minutes before the ambulance for my wife arrived. (some 45 minutes after being called)
It was then explained that they were a crew from Hartlepool, as no ambulances were available in the Darlington area.

After an hour, no ambulance had arrived for my daughter and other arrangements were made to get her to hospital.

On arrival at Darlington Memorial Hospital (DMH) we noted there were 4-5 ambulances at the entrance to A&E, with my wife being placed in the corridor with several others on the trolley for approx 30 minutes before being taken to a room.
She was in A&E for approx 6 hrs, during which time there were continually several trolleys in the corridors, together with their Paramedics waiting to transfer their patients.

My daugther was discharged after approx 5hrs, fortunately not requiring further treatment.

In my wifes case, a displaced double fracture of her right leg was diagnosed, she was subsequently put in plaster to await an operation.

It then appeared that a lack of ward beds meant that there was no-where for A&E patients to be transferred to. Indeed, in the end it was the A&E Manager herself who pushed (almost sprinted!) her trolley to her Ward , as she was so desperate for the bed she could not wait for a porter.

I must stress once again that the quality of personnel and care has been exemplary throughout, It is simply my concern that the whole service is overstretched, with a lack of beds on the wards leading to problems right down the line. The end result is a lack of ambulance cover with Paramedics being forced to hang around in A&E waiting to transfer their patients.

On speaking to various professional personnel on duty, it was apparent that the above situation was not considered unusual, with the problems having got alot worse in the last 18 months or so.
At the out-set i must affirm that i have nothing but gratitude and admiration for all the NHS staff we encountered, and my sole concern is that of capacity within the A&E system. The incident itself involved my wife, who fell whilst shopping in Victoria Rd, Darlington Branch of Sainsburys last Autumn, breaking her leg in two places. Subsequently, my daughter who was with her, fainted and banged her head and also deemed ( by the paramedic ) to need Hospital treatment. The Fast Responder Paramedic arrived quickly and dealt with both in a most skilled and professional manner. However, having myself had to drive from my office in Richmond, I was still on site some 20 minutes before the ambulance for my wife arrived. (some 45 minutes after being called) It was then explained that they were a crew from Hartlepool, as no ambulances were available in the Darlington area. After an hour, no ambulance had arrived for my daughter and other arrangements were made to get her to hospital. On arrival at Darlington Memorial Hospital (DMH) we noted there were 4-5 ambulances at the entrance to A&E, with my wife being placed in the corridor with several others on the trolley for approx 30 minutes before being taken to a room. She was in A&E for approx 6 hrs, during which time there were continually several trolleys in the corridors, together with their Paramedics waiting to transfer their patients. My daugther was discharged after approx 5hrs, fortunately not requiring further treatment. In my wifes case, a displaced double fracture of her right leg was diagnosed, she was subsequently put in plaster to await an operation. It then appeared that a lack of ward beds meant that there was no-where for A&E patients to be transferred to. Indeed, in the end it was the A&E Manager herself who pushed (almost sprinted!) her trolley to her Ward , as she was so desperate for the bed she could not wait for a porter. I must stress once again that the quality of personnel and care has been exemplary throughout, It is simply my concern that the whole service is overstretched, with a lack of beds on the wards leading to problems right down the line. The end result is a lack of ambulance cover with Paramedics being forced to hang around in A&E waiting to transfer their patients. On speaking to various professional personnel on duty, it was apparent that the above situation was not considered unusual, with the problems having got alot worse in the last 18 months or so. ianh
  • Score: 14

8:34pm Thu 27 Mar 14

maclaren says...

johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count.

Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........?

Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.
Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count. Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........? Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.[/p][/quote]Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up maclaren
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Jonn says...

andreadarlo wrote:
iv nothing but praise for the ambulance staff! they do a great job. saved my fathers life numerous times and were at my door within 3 mins when my daughter had a life threatning asthma attack Thats the whole point of 999, for when its life threatning. the lady mentioned in the story was treated at home ( not exactly life threatning then?). if people didnt ring them for the slightest little thing then they would be able to get to those in need of emergency help a lot quicker!
Yeah, you're right, my 84 year old grandmother falling and hitting her head full whack onto the side of a table, lieing on the floor, confused with blood pouring from her head was just one of those 'slightest little things' as you say. I should have just stuck a plaster on it and kept my fingers crossed she didn't develop a brain injury or die.
Of course, your own circumstances for calling the emergency services were fully justified!
Thanks for putting me straight. If it happens again, I'll think on what you said.
[quote][p][bold]andreadarlo[/bold] wrote: iv nothing but praise for the ambulance staff! they do a great job. saved my fathers life numerous times and were at my door within 3 mins when my daughter had a life threatning asthma attack Thats the whole point of 999, for when its life threatning. the lady mentioned in the story was treated at home ( not exactly life threatning then?). if people didnt ring them for the slightest little thing then they would be able to get to those in need of emergency help a lot quicker![/p][/quote]Yeah, you're right, my 84 year old grandmother falling and hitting her head full whack onto the side of a table, lieing on the floor, confused with blood pouring from her head was just one of those 'slightest little things' as you say. I should have just stuck a plaster on it and kept my fingers crossed she didn't develop a brain injury or die. Of course, your own circumstances for calling the emergency services were fully justified! Thanks for putting me straight. If it happens again, I'll think on what you said. Jonn
  • Score: 2

9:25pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Jonn says...

maclaren wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count.

Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........?

Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.
Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up
He's not worth responding to.
[quote][p][bold]maclaren[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count. Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........? Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.[/p][/quote]Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up[/p][/quote]He's not worth responding to. Jonn
  • Score: 1

9:30pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Davy Crocket says...

Treat an illegal immigrant or an old lady ? Too many Governments choose the former.

Too many NHS workers are immigrants anyway and I believe they choose to look after their own.
Treat an illegal immigrant or an old lady ? Too many Governments choose the former. Too many NHS workers are immigrants anyway and I believe they choose to look after their own. Davy Crocket
  • Score: -12

9:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

The problem with the NHS is Cameron and his cronies.

Our NHS is definitely not safe and anyone using it is at huge risk because of the cuts and reorganising. And you're a fool if you believe otherwise.
The problem with the NHS is Cameron and his cronies. Our NHS is definitely not safe and anyone using it is at huge risk because of the cuts and reorganising. And you're a fool if you believe otherwise. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 3

2:31am Fri 28 Mar 14

pandorica says...

I have experienced this form both sides, from A&E to needing a ambulance myself. The Ambulance crews are flogged continually from beginning of their shift and way over. They never finish on time, if they get a call near home time they still respond and sometimes do not get back to station until 9pm, when they have been at work since 06.30AM. They get called out to incidents joe public never hear of, never even could imagine. They get called out to incidents where an ambulance is really not appropriate, but attend in their professional manner.
Lasy year I took very ill suddenly at home and my mother rang 999, gave the ambulance Control operator the history. My lung had suddenly collapsed and I became quite ill waiting for it to turn up. Nearly a hour later the ambulance turned up, the 2 girls had come from Seaton Carew to get to me. Just as they were putting me in the back of the ambulance, another NEAS ambulance went past my house back to station.
My call was urgent, but still was not responded to within 8 minutes. In any other person they would of filed a massive complaint, I never because I know what they have to do day inand day out.
There needs to be better Call Assesments made by Call Operators when triaging 999 calls. Also better planning in control with how these ambulances are deployed. I know PTS ambulances getting sent from Fishburn up to Newcastle to transfer someone home around the corner in Newcastle. Now how is this efficient use of the ambulance service when PTS ambulances are available in Newcastle to of done this transfer.

The other thing I heard today was the Governors of NEAS. Apparently the governors are all CO of private Ambulance companies such as EMS, St Johns. Would be very interesting to see if this is a conflict of interest, as I know these private Ambulance company's are hired out by NEAS to support the staff in their jobs. Are they lining their own pockets by hiring their own company's to do contracts that should be done by NEAS Crews?

Sounds like their already planning the privatisation of the Ambulance Service.

I fully support the paramedics, and think there is a lot of investigating needs doing in NEAS.
I have experienced this form both sides, from A&E to needing a ambulance myself. The Ambulance crews are flogged continually from beginning of their shift and way over. They never finish on time, if they get a call near home time they still respond and sometimes do not get back to station until 9pm, when they have been at work since 06.30AM. They get called out to incidents joe public never hear of, never even could imagine. They get called out to incidents where an ambulance is really not appropriate, but attend in their professional manner. Lasy year I took very ill suddenly at home and my mother rang 999, gave the ambulance Control operator the history. My lung had suddenly collapsed and I became quite ill waiting for it to turn up. Nearly a hour later the ambulance turned up, the 2 girls had come from Seaton Carew to get to me. Just as they were putting me in the back of the ambulance, another NEAS ambulance went past my house back to station. My call was urgent, but still was not responded to within 8 minutes. In any other person they would of filed a massive complaint, I never because I know what they have to do day inand day out. There needs to be better Call Assesments made by Call Operators when triaging 999 calls. Also better planning in control with how these ambulances are deployed. I know PTS ambulances getting sent from Fishburn up to Newcastle to transfer someone home around the corner in Newcastle. Now how is this efficient use of the ambulance service when PTS ambulances are available in Newcastle to of done this transfer. The other thing I heard today was the Governors of NEAS. Apparently the governors are all CO of private Ambulance companies such as EMS, St Johns. Would be very interesting to see if this is a conflict of interest, as I know these private Ambulance company's are hired out by NEAS to support the staff in their jobs. Are they lining their own pockets by hiring their own company's to do contracts that should be done by NEAS Crews? Sounds like their already planning the privatisation of the Ambulance Service. I fully support the paramedics, and think there is a lot of investigating needs doing in NEAS. pandorica
  • Score: 7

1:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Nobby666 says...

The Ambulances outside A&E departments are both urgent and A&E. 999 Ambulances are supposed to be used for Acute (happening Now) life threatening emergencies. Perhaps if people ask them selves " does this merit a 999 call" there would be more available ambulances for real 999 emergencies. I appreciate that "need" is subjective and things often look worse than they are but there seems to be no common sense anymore. Cut fingers, 2 week old complaints, flu, nose bleeds, back and joint pain and even toothache are regular 999 jobs now. We also find our selves being constantly used for cases that do not require ambulances simply because people have no transport, yet there is a car sat outside or they could use family. Yes the system is a mess, but the answers lie closer to home.
The Ambulances outside A&E departments are both urgent and A&E. 999 Ambulances are supposed to be used for Acute (happening Now) life threatening emergencies. Perhaps if people ask them selves " does this merit a 999 call" there would be more available ambulances for real 999 emergencies. I appreciate that "need" is subjective and things often look worse than they are but there seems to be no common sense anymore. Cut fingers, 2 week old complaints, flu, nose bleeds, back and joint pain and even toothache are regular 999 jobs now. We also find our selves being constantly used for cases that do not require ambulances simply because people have no transport, yet there is a car sat outside or they could use family. Yes the system is a mess, but the answers lie closer to home. Nobby666
  • Score: 10

2:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

andreadarlo says...

Nobby666 wrote:
The Ambulances outside A&E departments are both urgent and A&E. 999 Ambulances are supposed to be used for Acute (happening Now) life threatening emergencies. Perhaps if people ask them selves " does this merit a 999 call" there would be more available ambulances for real 999 emergencies. I appreciate that "need" is subjective and things often look worse than they are but there seems to be no common sense anymore. Cut fingers, 2 week old complaints, flu, nose bleeds, back and joint pain and even toothache are regular 999 jobs now. We also find our selves being constantly used for cases that do not require ambulances simply because people have no transport, yet there is a car sat outside or they could use family. Yes the system is a mess, but the answers lie closer to home.
well bloomin said. i take it you're a paramedic? if so i take my hat off to you sir.You lot do a great job , dont let anyone tell you any different! I agree the answers lie closer to home..people need to stop ringing 999 for every little knock , bump , fall. As for ringing them for toothache?? they ought to be ashamed!
[quote][p][bold]Nobby666[/bold] wrote: The Ambulances outside A&E departments are both urgent and A&E. 999 Ambulances are supposed to be used for Acute (happening Now) life threatening emergencies. Perhaps if people ask them selves " does this merit a 999 call" there would be more available ambulances for real 999 emergencies. I appreciate that "need" is subjective and things often look worse than they are but there seems to be no common sense anymore. Cut fingers, 2 week old complaints, flu, nose bleeds, back and joint pain and even toothache are regular 999 jobs now. We also find our selves being constantly used for cases that do not require ambulances simply because people have no transport, yet there is a car sat outside or they could use family. Yes the system is a mess, but the answers lie closer to home.[/p][/quote]well bloomin said. i take it you're a paramedic? if so i take my hat off to you sir.You lot do a great job , dont let anyone tell you any different! I agree the answers lie closer to home..people need to stop ringing 999 for every little knock , bump , fall. As for ringing them for toothache?? they ought to be ashamed! andreadarlo
  • Score: 8

6:18pm Fri 28 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

Jonn wrote:
maclaren wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count.

Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........?

Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.
Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up
He's not worth responding to.
Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda.

Pathetic!
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maclaren[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count. Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........? Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.[/p][/quote]Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up[/p][/quote]He's not worth responding to.[/p][/quote]Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda. Pathetic! johnny_p
  • Score: -6

7:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Jackroberts says...

It's funny that the ambulance service in the north east is now in clinical escalation every single night clinical escalation means crisis in layman terms and is generally only seen in winter with crews and patients having flu and snow slowing down ambulances...clinica
l escalation is now the norm...to combat the lack of ambulances and crew Neas is employing less qualified and equipped private ambulance companies Red Cross and St. John's...these are not free nor are they paramedics nor do they carry drugs nor are they equipped with proper clinical defibrillators...the
y are employed purely to meet government response times ...so for example if an emergency occurs there may be no paramedic crews available so the cheaper alternative is to send St. John's or Red Cross or other private company....they then wait with the patient until a paramedic crew arrives....essential
ly this is cooking the books as North east ambulance is meeting it's government response times by getting someone to your house in 8 mins however....when does the paramedic arrive..two hours later? It's cooking the books pure and simple!

I find it bizarre that since the top managers awarded themselves a 125% pay increase yet have allowed a run down of services so that the service is in clinical escalation every night! It's mismanagement on a gross scale!

You may be interested to know that now in many areas the double paramedic crews have gone and are now replaced by a paramedic and a driver with first aid knowledge...so what you may say...well you have a cardiac arrest and the latest clinical evidence suggests that two paramedics or even better two complete ambulance crews achieve better results, this is because each paramedic can concentrate on giving quality attention to their particular job...so if you just have a paramedic and a driver, essentially the paramedic is running around like a whirling dervish trying to do everything and evidence suggests a not so good outcome! In addition two paramedics can deal with complicated scenarios better than one, it makes sense another paramedic can also check and draw up drugs, or looking up drug dosages etc ..one paramedic..your on your own...!

In the current system vast swathes of the north east have no ambulance whatsoever for miles the dales are a prime example with the vehicles in the dales areas regularly nearly every night being pulled out to help in the cities...effectively leaving people in remote communities to die as a lot of remote areas take a long time for an ambulance to drive to ..if one is available! Ah but the air ambulance I hear you cry. The air ambulance does not fly at night or in bad weather, it may be tasked somewhere else during the day and why should you have to rely on a charity...

The ambulance service in the north east is in crisis but most people are only bothered when they need an ambulance other wise they just assume everything is ok.
It's funny that the ambulance service in the north east is now in clinical escalation every single night clinical escalation means crisis in layman terms and is generally only seen in winter with crews and patients having flu and snow slowing down ambulances...clinica l escalation is now the norm...to combat the lack of ambulances and crew Neas is employing less qualified and equipped private ambulance companies Red Cross and St. John's...these are not free nor are they paramedics nor do they carry drugs nor are they equipped with proper clinical defibrillators...the y are employed purely to meet government response times ...so for example if an emergency occurs there may be no paramedic crews available so the cheaper alternative is to send St. John's or Red Cross or other private company....they then wait with the patient until a paramedic crew arrives....essential ly this is cooking the books as North east ambulance is meeting it's government response times by getting someone to your house in 8 mins however....when does the paramedic arrive..two hours later? It's cooking the books pure and simple! I find it bizarre that since the top managers awarded themselves a 125% pay increase yet have allowed a run down of services so that the service is in clinical escalation every night! It's mismanagement on a gross scale! You may be interested to know that now in many areas the double paramedic crews have gone and are now replaced by a paramedic and a driver with first aid knowledge...so what you may say...well you have a cardiac arrest and the latest clinical evidence suggests that two paramedics or even better two complete ambulance crews achieve better results, this is because each paramedic can concentrate on giving quality attention to their particular job...so if you just have a paramedic and a driver, essentially the paramedic is running around like a whirling dervish trying to do everything and evidence suggests a not so good outcome! In addition two paramedics can deal with complicated scenarios better than one, it makes sense another paramedic can also check and draw up drugs, or looking up drug dosages etc ..one paramedic..your on your own...! In the current system vast swathes of the north east have no ambulance whatsoever for miles the dales are a prime example with the vehicles in the dales areas regularly nearly every night being pulled out to help in the cities...effectively leaving people in remote communities to die as a lot of remote areas take a long time for an ambulance to drive to ..if one is available! Ah but the air ambulance I hear you cry. The air ambulance does not fly at night or in bad weather, it may be tasked somewhere else during the day and why should you have to rely on a charity... The ambulance service in the north east is in crisis but most people are only bothered when they need an ambulance other wise they just assume everything is ok. Jackroberts
  • Score: 5

7:27pm Fri 28 Mar 14

pandorica says...

johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
maclaren wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areasActually there are 2 Ambulances only covering Darlington, other ambulances you saw are from other towns as DMH is the local hospital. I think you need to apologise sir and get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maclaren[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areasActually there are 2 Ambulances only covering Darlington, other ambulances you saw are from other towns as DMH is the local hospital. I think you need to apologise sir and get your facts right. pandorica
  • Score: 1

7:33pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bishopboy says...

Darlington has 2 ambulances fact. They also cover the surrounding areas such as Neasham, Hurworth and Middleton St George. When they are busy as every station is these days, the next nearest available vehicle will be given the emergency or urgent call. Emergencies are graded in the following priority, red 1, red 2, green 2 and green 3, this means that a crew can travel for 20 plus miles only to be diverted to a higher priority emergency further away which causes delays for the original patient, not ideal but if you were having a heart attack would you want us to attend the person with the cut hand instead of you because they called 5 minutes before.
Along with this specialist, centres mean every body traveling further with patients, which again impacts on response times, however the outcomes from these patients vindicates the reasons for doing this.
Finally I have no political agenda, I am a serving paramedic working in the southern division of N.E.A.S. doing my best alongside my colleagues in the sevice and in the A&E units.
Darlington has 2 ambulances fact. They also cover the surrounding areas such as Neasham, Hurworth and Middleton St George. When they are busy as every station is these days, the next nearest available vehicle will be given the emergency or urgent call. Emergencies are graded in the following priority, red 1, red 2, green 2 and green 3, this means that a crew can travel for 20 plus miles only to be diverted to a higher priority emergency further away which causes delays for the original patient, not ideal but if you were having a heart attack would you want us to attend the person with the cut hand instead of you because they called 5 minutes before. Along with this specialist, centres mean every body traveling further with patients, which again impacts on response times, however the outcomes from these patients vindicates the reasons for doing this. Finally I have no political agenda, I am a serving paramedic working in the southern division of N.E.A.S. doing my best alongside my colleagues in the sevice and in the A&E units. bishopboy
  • Score: 10

7:40pm Fri 28 Mar 14

pandorica says...

Jackroberts wrote:
It's funny that the ambulance service in the north east is now in clinical escalation every single night clinical escalation means crisis in layman terms and is generally only seen in winter with crews and patients having flu and snow slowing down ambulances...clinica

l escalation is now the norm...to combat the lack of ambulances and crew Neas is employing less qualified and equipped private ambulance companies Red Cross and St. John's...these are not free nor are they paramedics nor do they carry drugs nor are they equipped with proper clinical defibrillators...the

y are employed purely to meet government response times ...so for example if an emergency occurs there may be no paramedic crews available so the cheaper alternative is to send St. John's or Red Cross or other private company....they then wait with the patient until a paramedic crew arrives....essential

ly this is cooking the books as North east ambulance is meeting it's government response times by getting someone to your house in 8 mins however....when does the paramedic arrive..two hours later? It's cooking the books pure and simple!

I find it bizarre that since the top managers awarded themselves a 125% pay increase yet have allowed a run down of services so that the service is in clinical escalation every night! It's mismanagement on a gross scale!

You may be interested to know that now in many areas the double paramedic crews have gone and are now replaced by a paramedic and a driver with first aid knowledge...so what you may say...well you have a cardiac arrest and the latest clinical evidence suggests that two paramedics or even better two complete ambulance crews achieve better results, this is because each paramedic can concentrate on giving quality attention to their particular job...so if you just have a paramedic and a driver, essentially the paramedic is running around like a whirling dervish trying to do everything and evidence suggests a not so good outcome! In addition two paramedics can deal with complicated scenarios better than one, it makes sense another paramedic can also check and draw up drugs, or looking up drug dosages etc ..one paramedic..your on your own...!

In the current system vast swathes of the north east have no ambulance whatsoever for miles the dales are a prime example with the vehicles in the dales areas regularly nearly every night being pulled out to help in the cities...effectively leaving people in remote communities to die as a lot of remote areas take a long time for an ambulance to drive to ..if one is available! Ah but the air ambulance I hear you cry. The air ambulance does not fly at night or in bad weather, it may be tasked somewhere else during the day and why should you have to rely on a charity...

The ambulance service in the north east is in crisis but most people are only bothered when they need an ambulance other wise they just assume everything is ok.
Well said, if only people could see the real truth and listen to the concerns and complaints from its own staff then that would be a start.

Some major changes within the management structure needs addressing here, but also the public as well need to think about ringing 999 for a emergency ambulance if it really does not require one. Take this story, yes the lady was elderly, but the fact that both her daughter and granddaughter could not pick the lady up off the floor when she clearly did not require an ambulance, so left her there until the ambulance came? Why did they not think about ringing other family to help? By their own admission she only had minor injuries and di not need to even go into hospital.

Other people who use the ambulance service as taxi after a night out. I have said this before and got shot down in flames on here by naïve people who think this doesn't happen, well it does. Then they go out to regulars who are well known to us all for wasting time, but they have a duty of care and have to attend.
The service is not run efficiently at the top, end of.
[quote][p][bold]Jackroberts[/bold] wrote: It's funny that the ambulance service in the north east is now in clinical escalation every single night clinical escalation means crisis in layman terms and is generally only seen in winter with crews and patients having flu and snow slowing down ambulances...clinica l escalation is now the norm...to combat the lack of ambulances and crew Neas is employing less qualified and equipped private ambulance companies Red Cross and St. John's...these are not free nor are they paramedics nor do they carry drugs nor are they equipped with proper clinical defibrillators...the y are employed purely to meet government response times ...so for example if an emergency occurs there may be no paramedic crews available so the cheaper alternative is to send St. John's or Red Cross or other private company....they then wait with the patient until a paramedic crew arrives....essential ly this is cooking the books as North east ambulance is meeting it's government response times by getting someone to your house in 8 mins however....when does the paramedic arrive..two hours later? It's cooking the books pure and simple! I find it bizarre that since the top managers awarded themselves a 125% pay increase yet have allowed a run down of services so that the service is in clinical escalation every night! It's mismanagement on a gross scale! You may be interested to know that now in many areas the double paramedic crews have gone and are now replaced by a paramedic and a driver with first aid knowledge...so what you may say...well you have a cardiac arrest and the latest clinical evidence suggests that two paramedics or even better two complete ambulance crews achieve better results, this is because each paramedic can concentrate on giving quality attention to their particular job...so if you just have a paramedic and a driver, essentially the paramedic is running around like a whirling dervish trying to do everything and evidence suggests a not so good outcome! In addition two paramedics can deal with complicated scenarios better than one, it makes sense another paramedic can also check and draw up drugs, or looking up drug dosages etc ..one paramedic..your on your own...! In the current system vast swathes of the north east have no ambulance whatsoever for miles the dales are a prime example with the vehicles in the dales areas regularly nearly every night being pulled out to help in the cities...effectively leaving people in remote communities to die as a lot of remote areas take a long time for an ambulance to drive to ..if one is available! Ah but the air ambulance I hear you cry. The air ambulance does not fly at night or in bad weather, it may be tasked somewhere else during the day and why should you have to rely on a charity... The ambulance service in the north east is in crisis but most people are only bothered when they need an ambulance other wise they just assume everything is ok.[/p][/quote]Well said, if only people could see the real truth and listen to the concerns and complaints from its own staff then that would be a start. Some major changes within the management structure needs addressing here, but also the public as well need to think about ringing 999 for a emergency ambulance if it really does not require one. Take this story, yes the lady was elderly, but the fact that both her daughter and granddaughter could not pick the lady up off the floor when she clearly did not require an ambulance, so left her there until the ambulance came? Why did they not think about ringing other family to help? By their own admission she only had minor injuries and di not need to even go into hospital. Other people who use the ambulance service as taxi after a night out. I have said this before and got shot down in flames on here by naïve people who think this doesn't happen, well it does. Then they go out to regulars who are well known to us all for wasting time, but they have a duty of care and have to attend. The service is not run efficiently at the top, end of. pandorica
  • Score: 4

8:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

pandorica says...

Arrrrrr one of my posts has joined all in one big post alongside others lol, it makes no sense lol.
What I said was Jon is correct, there are only 2 ambulances covering Darlington, the others you saw are Ambulances from other stations, but this is the only hospital is South Durham with an A&E department, hence the increased workload for us, and longer waiting times as Ambulances have to return back to their town from DMH. So in respect of your comments and his political agenda, I think you owe an apology sir and get your facts correct. Thank you.
Arrrrrr one of my posts has joined all in one big post alongside others lol, it makes no sense lol. What I said was Jon is correct, there are only 2 ambulances covering Darlington, the others you saw are Ambulances from other stations, but this is the only hospital is South Durham with an A&E department, hence the increased workload for us, and longer waiting times as Ambulances have to return back to their town from DMH. So in respect of your comments and his political agenda, I think you owe an apology sir and get your facts correct. Thank you. pandorica
  • Score: 0

8:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Jonn says...

johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
maclaren wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count.

Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........?

Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.
Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up
He's not worth responding to.
Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda.

Pathetic!
johnny_p, not too bright are you.
I was told last year, personally, by a Paramedic, that Darlington has two Ambulances and 1 Paramedic. That is fact.
This is confirmed by other commentors and in the comment above by bishopboy, a serving Paramedic.
You can believe what you like. Now go away.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maclaren[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count. Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........? Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.[/p][/quote]Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up[/p][/quote]He's not worth responding to.[/p][/quote]Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda. Pathetic![/p][/quote]johnny_p, not too bright are you. I was told last year, personally, by a Paramedic, that Darlington has two Ambulances and 1 Paramedic. That is fact. This is confirmed by other commentors and in the comment above by bishopboy, a serving Paramedic. You can believe what you like. Now go away. Jonn
  • Score: 4

8:07pm Fri 28 Mar 14

pandorica says...

bishopboy wrote:
Darlington has 2 ambulances fact. They also cover the surrounding areas such as Neasham, Hurworth and Middleton St George. When they are busy as every station is these days, the next nearest available vehicle will be given the emergency or urgent call. Emergencies are graded in the following priority, red 1, red 2, green 2 and green 3, this means that a crew can travel for 20 plus miles only to be diverted to a higher priority emergency further away which causes delays for the original patient, not ideal but if you were having a heart attack would you want us to attend the person with the cut hand instead of you because they called 5 minutes before.
Along with this specialist, centres mean every body traveling further with patients, which again impacts on response times, however the outcomes from these patients vindicates the reasons for doing this.
Finally I have no political agenda, I am a serving paramedic working in the southern division of N.E.A.S. doing my best alongside my colleagues in the sevice and in the A&E units.
Well said, difficult for some people on here to understand when there just here for their own political agenda.
[quote][p][bold]bishopboy[/bold] wrote: Darlington has 2 ambulances fact. They also cover the surrounding areas such as Neasham, Hurworth and Middleton St George. When they are busy as every station is these days, the next nearest available vehicle will be given the emergency or urgent call. Emergencies are graded in the following priority, red 1, red 2, green 2 and green 3, this means that a crew can travel for 20 plus miles only to be diverted to a higher priority emergency further away which causes delays for the original patient, not ideal but if you were having a heart attack would you want us to attend the person with the cut hand instead of you because they called 5 minutes before. Along with this specialist, centres mean every body traveling further with patients, which again impacts on response times, however the outcomes from these patients vindicates the reasons for doing this. Finally I have no political agenda, I am a serving paramedic working in the southern division of N.E.A.S. doing my best alongside my colleagues in the sevice and in the A&E units.[/p][/quote]Well said, difficult for some people on here to understand when there just here for their own political agenda. pandorica
  • Score: 4

8:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Jonn says...

pandorica wrote:
Arrrrrr one of my posts has joined all in one big post alongside others lol, it makes no sense lol.
What I said was Jon is correct, there are only 2 ambulances covering Darlington, the others you saw are Ambulances from other stations, but this is the only hospital is South Durham with an A&E department, hence the increased workload for us, and longer waiting times as Ambulances have to return back to their town from DMH. So in respect of your comments and his political agenda, I think you owe an apology sir and get your facts correct. Thank you.
Thankyou for confirming the facts.
Some people cannot accept the facts and will argue that black is white. They are not worth bothering with.
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: Arrrrrr one of my posts has joined all in one big post alongside others lol, it makes no sense lol. What I said was Jon is correct, there are only 2 ambulances covering Darlington, the others you saw are Ambulances from other stations, but this is the only hospital is South Durham with an A&E department, hence the increased workload for us, and longer waiting times as Ambulances have to return back to their town from DMH. So in respect of your comments and his political agenda, I think you owe an apology sir and get your facts correct. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Thankyou for confirming the facts. Some people cannot accept the facts and will argue that black is white. They are not worth bothering with. Jonn
  • Score: 2

8:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

pandorica says...

Jonn wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
maclaren wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count.

Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........?

Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.
Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up
He's not worth responding to.
Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda.

Pathetic!
johnny_p, not too bright are you.
I was told last year, personally, by a Paramedic, that Darlington has two Ambulances and 1 Paramedic. That is fact.
This is confirmed by other commentors and in the comment above by bishopboy, a serving Paramedic.
You can believe what you like. Now go away.
you are correct jonn, I hope your Grandmother is feeling better.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maclaren[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count. Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........? Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.[/p][/quote]Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up[/p][/quote]He's not worth responding to.[/p][/quote]Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda. Pathetic![/p][/quote]johnny_p, not too bright are you. I was told last year, personally, by a Paramedic, that Darlington has two Ambulances and 1 Paramedic. That is fact. This is confirmed by other commentors and in the comment above by bishopboy, a serving Paramedic. You can believe what you like. Now go away.[/p][/quote]you are correct jonn, I hope your Grandmother is feeling better. pandorica
  • Score: 1

10:34pm Fri 28 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulances" in Darlington was very lucky to get the picture of them both outside the Memorial Hospital despite them "both" being very busy then?

Keep trying.......
Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulances" in Darlington was very lucky to get the picture of them both outside the Memorial Hospital despite them "both" being very busy then? Keep trying....... johnny_p
  • Score: -6

8:23am Sat 29 Mar 14

Jonn says...

johnny_p wrote:
Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulances" in Darlington was very lucky to get the picture of them both outside the Memorial Hospital despite them "both" being very busy then?

Keep trying.......
Oh dear. It's a stock photo, just as the accompanying photo of Jenny Chapman is a stock photo. Do you think the reporter sent a photographer out to take a picture of ambulances and Jenny Chapman just for this article? As the ambulance is a 54 reg it could have been taken anytime in the last 10 years.
Nobody has said that only 2 ambulances can ever appear at DMH, ambulances from other parts of the region go there too.
Keep digging that hole for yourself anyway.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulances" in Darlington was very lucky to get the picture of them both outside the Memorial Hospital despite them "both" being very busy then? Keep trying.......[/p][/quote]Oh dear. It's a stock photo, just as the accompanying photo of Jenny Chapman is a stock photo. Do you think the reporter sent a photographer out to take a picture of ambulances and Jenny Chapman just for this article? As the ambulance is a 54 reg it could have been taken anytime in the last 10 years. Nobody has said that only 2 ambulances can ever appear at DMH, ambulances from other parts of the region go there too. Keep digging that hole for yourself anyway. Jonn
  • Score: 3

8:37am Sat 29 Mar 14

Jonn says...

pandorica wrote:
Jonn wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
maclaren wrote:
johnny_p wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long.
The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E.
Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people!
David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.
Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count.

Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........?

Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.
Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up
He's not worth responding to.
Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda.

Pathetic!
johnny_p, not too bright are you.
I was told last year, personally, by a Paramedic, that Darlington has two Ambulances and 1 Paramedic. That is fact.
This is confirmed by other commentors and in the comment above by bishopboy, a serving Paramedic.
You can believe what you like. Now go away.
you are correct jonn, I hope your Grandmother is feeling better.
Thankyou. We felt guilty for calling out the emergency services and the decision wasn't taken lightly. The older generation tend to be very proud and don't want to make a fuss about themselves, but the ambulance crew said we were totally correct to do so as it was a head injury.
She is recovering well, thanks.
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maclaren[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: Just this monday night, while visiting my 84 year old grandmother, she fell and cut her head, it was bleeding quite badly so I rang 999 at 7.10 pm. They told me they were sending an Ambulance but were very busy but call back if she got any worse. The Ambulance arrived at 10.35 pm, 3 hours and 25 minutes after we called. She's not one to make a fuss but was becoming more worried as time passed and couldn't understand what was taking so long. The crew were brilliant I have to say and took excellent care of her. They gave us a choice to treat her there or they would take her to A&E but would probably have to wait another 2 or 3 hours to be seen. We declined to go to A&E. Do the people of Darlington realise there are only 2 Ambulances for the whole of the town, that's 100,000 people! David Cameron, the NHS is not safe in your hands.[/p][/quote]Oh right, yes. I believe that now Jonn. There are only two ambulances for Darlington. Even though the other ambulances are from "other areas" as someone points out, so I guess they don't count. Can you let us know how many ambulances there were in Darlington when your beloved Labour were in power? Ten? One Hundred? Of course once Labour lost the election I suppose those evil Tories started slashing NHS resources eh.........? Look forward to hearing what you'll make up next.[/p][/quote]Stupid comment so what you are saying is he made this up[/p][/quote]He's not worth responding to.[/p][/quote]Because you don't have an answer. You made the "two ambulances for the whole of Darlington" up didn't you? I went past Darlington A & E tonight and there were more than that there. Still, it suits your political agenda. Pathetic![/p][/quote]johnny_p, not too bright are you. I was told last year, personally, by a Paramedic, that Darlington has two Ambulances and 1 Paramedic. That is fact. This is confirmed by other commentors and in the comment above by bishopboy, a serving Paramedic. You can believe what you like. Now go away.[/p][/quote]you are correct jonn, I hope your Grandmother is feeling better.[/p][/quote]Thankyou. We felt guilty for calling out the emergency services and the decision wasn't taken lightly. The older generation tend to be very proud and don't want to make a fuss about themselves, but the ambulance crew said we were totally correct to do so as it was a head injury. She is recovering well, thanks. Jonn
  • Score: 2

10:49am Sat 29 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

johnny_p wrote:
Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulances" in Darlington was very lucky to get the picture of them both outside the Memorial Hospital despite them "both" being very busy then?

Keep trying.......
Aaaaah. A "stock" photo. Shame there's nowhere for me to post my photos of the three Ambulances parked outside the hospital yesterday afternoon.

**** those Tories eh?
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulances" in Darlington was very lucky to get the picture of them both outside the Memorial Hospital despite them "both" being very busy then? Keep trying.......[/p][/quote]Aaaaah. A "stock" photo. Shame there's nowhere for me to post my photos of the three Ambulances parked outside the hospital yesterday afternoon. **** those Tories eh? johnny_p
  • Score: -3

4:41pm Sat 29 Mar 14

pandorica says...

johnny_p wrote:
Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulancesAnd your point is?

Educate yourself, if there outside A&E then they clearly are busy. Instead of making a fool of yourself keep your opinions to yourself.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Obviously the photographer who managed to get a picture at the top of this webpage of the "only two ambulancesAnd your point is? Educate yourself, if there outside A&E then they clearly are busy. Instead of making a fool of yourself keep your opinions to yourself. pandorica
  • Score: 3

4:18am Sun 30 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

Ouch! Obviously hit a nerve there. I didn't realise I needed to "educate myself" just because we have differing opinions.

By the way- could you clarify how many ambulances we had at the Memorial when your beloved Labour party were in power? Obviously more than the two you clam we have now.
Ouch! Obviously hit a nerve there. I didn't realise I needed to "educate myself" just because we have differing opinions. By the way- could you clarify how many ambulances we had at the Memorial when your beloved Labour party were in power? Obviously more than the two you clam we have now. johnny_p
  • Score: -3

8:18am Sun 30 Mar 14

Jonn says...

johnny_p wrote:
Ouch! Obviously hit a nerve there. I didn't realise I needed to "educate myself" just because we have differing opinions.

By the way- could you clarify how many ambulances we had at the Memorial when your beloved Labour party were in power? Obviously more than the two you clam we have now.
Why do you presume anybody who criticises the current Government is a 'beloved' Labour supporter?
Do you agree with EVERY decision that this Government makes?
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Ouch! Obviously hit a nerve there. I didn't realise I needed to "educate myself" just because we have differing opinions. By the way- could you clarify how many ambulances we had at the Memorial when your beloved Labour party were in power? Obviously more than the two you clam we have now.[/p][/quote]Why do you presume anybody who criticises the current Government is a 'beloved' Labour supporter? Do you agree with EVERY decision that this Government makes? Jonn
  • Score: 2

9:12am Sun 30 Mar 14

darloboss says...

johnny_p

as you are a disabled ex serviceman I would have thought you would support the nhs and but it seems your happy to see it go to rot
was it a head injury you suffered from ?
johnny_p as you are a disabled ex serviceman I would have thought you would support the nhs and but it seems your happy to see it go to rot was it a head injury you suffered from ? darloboss
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Sun 30 Mar 14

pandorica says...

johnny_p wrote:
Ouch! Obviously hit a nerve there. I didn't realise I needed to "educate myselfAn opinion or a fact? You have had 2 Paramedics and a Nurse inform you that Darlington have indeed only 2 Ambulances, yet you persistently argue for your own agenda. Yes you annoy me. I am pretty sure if you saw more than 2 ambulances outside A&E, then surely you must then understand how busy they are? Or is it a personal vendetta you have with people on here which is why you continue this rubbish?

Either way yes you are entitled to your opinion, but this is not an opinion its a fact. Support your Emergency Services instead of bringing Politics into it.

What Political Party if any I support is my business and it stays that way. I am just sick and tired of the public who think they have the right to ring 999 and abuse the system, then I am sick of folks such as yourself who score points on here by using threads like this for their own agenda.

Think what would happen if there was no Emergency Services?

Please think before you speak, as you never know what life throws at you, and when one day you might need the assistance of these very people you are arguing about.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Ouch! Obviously hit a nerve there. I didn't realise I needed to "educate myselfAn opinion or a fact? You have had 2 Paramedics and a Nurse inform you that Darlington have indeed only 2 Ambulances, yet you persistently argue for your own agenda. Yes you annoy me. I am pretty sure if you saw more than 2 ambulances outside A&E, then surely you must then understand how busy they are? Or is it a personal vendetta you have with people on here which is why you continue this rubbish? Either way yes you are entitled to your opinion, but this is not an opinion its a fact. Support your Emergency Services instead of bringing Politics into it. What Political Party if any I support is my business and it stays that way. I am just sick and tired of the public who think they have the right to ring 999 and abuse the system, then I am sick of folks such as yourself who score points on here by using threads like this for their own agenda. Think what would happen if there was no Emergency Services? Please think before you speak, as you never know what life throws at you, and when one day you might need the assistance of these very people you are arguing about. pandorica
  • Score: 3

8:32pm Mon 31 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

There was a 'north east story' a few months back when some 'North East Ambulance crews' ****refused**** point blank to **immediately respond to an important call for help because they had not FINISHED their Meal Break. It begs the question, could not the remainder of the meal break be resurrected LATER. **** BILLIONS .spent on the NHS (many say it should now be be renamed 'WNHS'), Hundreds of Millions spent on technology, every 'Tom, Dick, Harry and Mary has a 'mobile phone' and access to some sort of transport', yet eighty and ninety plus year olds, vulnerable fragile sick people are left and 'often forgotten' in ward corridors. Shocking and disgusting, it does beg the question some people in these hospitals (not all of course) are NOT doing their job that they are originally contracted to be paid for. I know of an instant whereby a person who worked full time spent HOUR after HOUR hours CONSTANTLY WAITING in a North East Hospital before he saw anyone, and at the end of ONE WEEK only clocked up nearly 35 SHEER WAITING HOURS being often told, 'Oh there is always a shortage of Doctors at WEEKENDS. Quite frankly it is now worse than living in a ***Third World Country in Britain. A**** Waiting Hospital mentality***** which can only be described and unprofessionally appalling. Britain has untold BILLIONS on OVERSEAS AID, much going to suspected corrupt regimes but we cannot even look properly after our own people in many local hospitals. NO POLITICAL POINT SCORING EXCUSES , can only be described as a sheer Shocking, , disgusting, unprofessional cockeyed utter disgrace and don't tell me its all about money, much of it is sheer mismanagement and a minority of people NOT doing their jobs properly in my opinion.
There was a 'north east story' a few months back when some 'North East Ambulance crews' ****refused**** point blank to **immediately respond to an important call for help because they had not FINISHED their Meal Break. It begs the question, could not the remainder of the meal break be resurrected LATER. **** BILLIONS .spent on the NHS (many say it should now be be renamed 'WNHS'), Hundreds of Millions spent on technology, every 'Tom, Dick, Harry and Mary has a 'mobile phone' and access to some sort of transport', yet eighty and ninety plus year olds, vulnerable fragile sick people are left and 'often forgotten' in ward corridors. Shocking and disgusting, it does beg the question some people in these hospitals (not all of course) are NOT doing their job that they are originally contracted to be paid for. I know of an instant whereby a person who worked full time spent HOUR after HOUR hours CONSTANTLY WAITING in a North East Hospital before he saw anyone, and at the end of ONE WEEK only clocked up nearly 35 SHEER WAITING HOURS being often told, 'Oh there is always a shortage of Doctors at WEEKENDS. Quite frankly it is now worse than living in a ***Third World Country in Britain. A**** Waiting Hospital mentality***** which can only be described and unprofessionally appalling. Britain has untold BILLIONS on OVERSEAS AID, much going to suspected corrupt regimes but we cannot even look properly after our own people in many local hospitals. NO POLITICAL POINT SCORING EXCUSES , can only be described as a sheer Shocking, , disgusting, unprofessional cockeyed utter disgrace and don't tell me its all about money, much of it is sheer mismanagement and a minority of people NOT doing their jobs properly in my opinion. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -3

8:46am Wed 2 Apr 14

MartinMo says...

I would expect a dam better service for my money...........befo
re the rants.....it is not state provided free health care service for everyone.

If I paid for health care through a private sectOR I would not suffer long wait times in A&E, would not have to wait months for a scan or doctors appointment so why do I through NHS. If I am forced to pay then I expect quality health care, not excuses for poor performance.
I would expect a dam better service for my money...........befo re the rants.....it is not state provided free health care service for everyone. If I paid for health care through a private sectOR I would not suffer long wait times in A&E, would not have to wait months for a scan or doctors appointment so why do I through NHS. If I am forced to pay then I expect quality health care, not excuses for poor performance. MartinMo
  • Score: -1

9:38am Wed 2 Apr 14

cushybutterfield says...

Charge £1OO for any NHS appointment, anyone even 'smelling of drink' (booze), and/or BAN these Drunks and 'Anti-Social Disorder', legless alcohol frenzied punters. Shocking and disgusting that vulnerablet elderly people are left FIVE HOURS in an ambulance. Britain, akin to living in a Third world Country.
Charge £1OO for any NHS appointment, anyone even 'smelling of drink' (booze), and/or BAN these Drunks and 'Anti-Social Disorder', legless alcohol frenzied punters. Shocking and disgusting that vulnerablet elderly people are left FIVE HOURS in an ambulance. Britain, akin to living in a Third world Country. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -3

9:44am Wed 2 Apr 14

cushybutterfield says...

Whats the point ?....... of 'dialling 99'9, if on eventual arrival at any Hospital, you are left lying and unattended for FIVE Hours in either a ambulance and/or 'hospital corridor on a trolley.. In my opinion someone, somewhere is NOT doing their Job.
Whats the point ?....... of 'dialling 99'9, if on eventual arrival at any Hospital, you are left lying and unattended for FIVE Hours in either a ambulance and/or 'hospital corridor on a trolley.. In my opinion someone, somewhere is NOT doing their Job. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Wed 2 Apr 14

darloboss says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
Whats the point ?....... of 'dialling 99'9, if on eventual arrival at any Hospital, you are left lying and unattended for FIVE Hours in either a ambulance and/or 'hospital corridor on a trolley.. In my opinion someone, somewhere is NOT doing their Job.
quite right crusty his name is cameron
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Whats the point ?....... of 'dialling 99'9, if on eventual arrival at any Hospital, you are left lying and unattended for FIVE Hours in either a ambulance and/or 'hospital corridor on a trolley.. In my opinion someone, somewhere is NOT doing their Job.[/p][/quote]quite right crusty his name is cameron darloboss
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3:48pm Wed 2 Apr 14

David Lacey says...

If you want to see what a Labour run NHS would look like take a look across Offa's Dyke where it has completely collapsed due to huge budget cuts.
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See: http://www.dailypost
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ws/nhs-meltdown-no-s
taff-no-5912770
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The coalition has ring fenced and protected the NHS budget in England. Labour want to cut it. The NHS would be destroyed by a Labour government.
If you want to see what a Labour run NHS would look like take a look across Offa's Dyke where it has completely collapsed due to huge budget cuts. . See: http://www.dailypost .co.uk/news/local-ne ws/nhs-meltdown-no-s taff-no-5912770 . The coalition has ring fenced and protected the NHS budget in England. Labour want to cut it. The NHS would be destroyed by a Labour government. David Lacey
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5:11pm Wed 2 Apr 14

darloboss says...

David Lacey deluded
David Lacey deluded darloboss
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6:56pm Wed 2 Apr 14

loan_star says...

darloboss wrote:
David Lacey deluded
So who closed the A&E at Bishop Auckland? Wasn't the "evil" Tories cutting budgets then was it!
[quote][p][bold]darloboss[/bold] wrote: David Lacey deluded[/p][/quote]So who closed the A&E at Bishop Auckland? Wasn't the "evil" Tories cutting budgets then was it! loan_star
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12:15pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Nobby666 says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
There was a 'north east story' a few months back when some 'North East Ambulance crews' ****refused**** point blank to **immediately respond to an important call for help because they had not FINISHED their Meal Break. It begs the question, could not the remainder of the meal break be resurrected LATER. **** BILLIONS .spent on the NHS (many say it should now be be renamed 'WNHS'), Hundreds of Millions spent on technology, every 'Tom, Dick, Harry and Mary has a 'mobile phone' and access to some sort of transport', yet eighty and ninety plus year olds, vulnerable fragile sick people are left and 'often forgotten' in ward corridors. Shocking and disgusting, it does beg the question some people in these hospitals (not all of course) are NOT doing their job that they are originally contracted to be paid for. I know of an instant whereby a person who worked full time spent HOUR after HOUR hours CONSTANTLY WAITING in a North East Hospital before he saw anyone, and at the end of ONE WEEK only clocked up nearly 35 SHEER WAITING HOURS being often told, 'Oh there is always a shortage of Doctors at WEEKENDS. Quite frankly it is now worse than living in a ***Third World Country in Britain. A**** Waiting Hospital mentality***** which can only be described and unprofessionally appalling. Britain has untold BILLIONS on OVERSEAS AID, much going to suspected corrupt regimes but we cannot even look properly after our own people in many local hospitals. NO POLITICAL POINT SCORING EXCUSES , can only be described as a sheer Shocking, , disgusting, unprofessional cockeyed utter disgrace and don't tell me its all about money, much of it is sheer mismanagement and a minority of people NOT doing their jobs properly in my opinion.
once crews are stood down for their UNPAID BREAK they are no contacted again until they stand up again. Therefore the above story cannot be correct as they would not have known about it. Crews more often than not miss their meal breaks and can spend 8 hours and longer without breaks. DO YOU???...WOULD YOU???. Do not judge unless you know all the facts.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: There was a 'north east story' a few months back when some 'North East Ambulance crews' ****refused**** point blank to **immediately respond to an important call for help because they had not FINISHED their Meal Break. It begs the question, could not the remainder of the meal break be resurrected LATER. **** BILLIONS .spent on the NHS (many say it should now be be renamed 'WNHS'), Hundreds of Millions spent on technology, every 'Tom, Dick, Harry and Mary has a 'mobile phone' and access to some sort of transport', yet eighty and ninety plus year olds, vulnerable fragile sick people are left and 'often forgotten' in ward corridors. Shocking and disgusting, it does beg the question some people in these hospitals (not all of course) are NOT doing their job that they are originally contracted to be paid for. I know of an instant whereby a person who worked full time spent HOUR after HOUR hours CONSTANTLY WAITING in a North East Hospital before he saw anyone, and at the end of ONE WEEK only clocked up nearly 35 SHEER WAITING HOURS being often told, 'Oh there is always a shortage of Doctors at WEEKENDS. Quite frankly it is now worse than living in a ***Third World Country in Britain. A**** Waiting Hospital mentality***** which can only be described and unprofessionally appalling. Britain has untold BILLIONS on OVERSEAS AID, much going to suspected corrupt regimes but we cannot even look properly after our own people in many local hospitals. NO POLITICAL POINT SCORING EXCUSES , can only be described as a sheer Shocking, , disgusting, unprofessional cockeyed utter disgrace and don't tell me its all about money, much of it is sheer mismanagement and a minority of people NOT doing their jobs properly in my opinion.[/p][/quote]once crews are stood down for their UNPAID BREAK they are no contacted again until they stand up again. Therefore the above story cannot be correct as they would not have known about it. Crews more often than not miss their meal breaks and can spend 8 hours and longer without breaks. DO YOU???...WOULD YOU???. Do not judge unless you know all the facts. Nobby666
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