Giving heroin to addicts is 'sensible, not soft' - Durham police chief

Mike Barton

Mike Barton

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A CHIEF constable who wants the NHS to give heroin to addicts has faced down his critics, insisting he is “going sensible, not soft” on drugs.

Tough-talking Mike Barton, who on becoming head of Durham Police promised an “Al Capone approach” to smashing organised crime, made a shock plea for class A drugs to be decriminalised last autumn.

But speaking to The Northern Echo today (Thursday, March 13), he insisted: “I’m not going soft on drugs, I’m going sensible.

“I’ve been throwing the kitchen sink at drug dealers for 38 years but things are worse now than when I started.

“Drugs are more freely available, purer, cheaper and there’s a greater range available.

“I’m not saying we should give up what we’re doing. Quite the opposite: we should continue. But we need to do something different on top.”

A six-month operation which cost his force £750,000 and led to 33 arrests disrupted the drug supply for just two to four hours, Mr Barton said two recovering addicts had told him.

“Even before we’d interviewed those we’d arrested, the drug supply had been re-connected.”

Most criminal gangs are making money from drugs and many addicts being given methadone are “topping up” with heroin, Mr Barton said.

It is these addicts he wants given “therapeutic heroin” in health centres.

“The evidence is if you give people NHS heroin, they get off drugs quicker, they are healthier and they commit far less crime.”

Such evidence does not exist for other class A drugs, he said, but added: “Society must have that debate.”

Mr Barton rejected claims he was straying from his role to enforce the law, saying: “I’m a straightforward cop who’s got his foot on the neck of criminals.”

And he pledged: “If people think I’m wrong, I’ll shut up.”

Mr Barton said his officers had smashed 29 criminal gangs since 2008, but the number operating in the force area had only fallen from 43 to 35; and it is estimated there are 1,700 heroin addicts across County Durham and Darlington.

Mr Barton’s stance is supported by Durham Police Commissioner Ron Hogg but the Association of Chief Police Officers says it is a matter for Parliament.

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5:12pm Thu 13 Mar 14

NO EINSTEIN says...

A six-month operation which cost his force £750,000 and led to 33 arrests, I would not be bragging about that.

Sounds a bit mad this chap, and power crazed, he would do well in Cleveland Police.
A six-month operation which cost his force £750,000 and led to 33 arrests, I would not be bragging about that. Sounds a bit mad this chap, and power crazed, he would do well in Cleveland Police. NO EINSTEIN
  • Score: -4

5:17pm Thu 13 Mar 14

ian923 says...

Not backed by ACPO then? The warnings from the U SA about drugs like crack, heroin and cocaine were ignored in the 70's and now the country is so awash with them that police and other agencies cannot cope with the problem and merely scratch the surface but there is so much money in it that there is no encouragement to stop importing, dealing etc. most Cannabis sold here is grown here now and is clearly a good moneymaker. The drugs Tsar was a waste of time and achieved nothing. I assume the CC takes this stance hoping it will put dealers out of business but I,m sure it wouldn't,t because the drug situation is so far out of hand now. Drugs don,t seem to be an important issue for Government nor is Immigration yet benefits seem to be so you have to wonder why their priorities are what they seem to be. As we are trillions in debt There is certainly not going to be any extra money for the NHS to provide drugs so the CC,s case can go no further. Good bit of publicity for him though!
Not backed by ACPO then? The warnings from the U SA about drugs like crack, heroin and cocaine were ignored in the 70's and now the country is so awash with them that police and other agencies cannot cope with the problem and merely scratch the surface but there is so much money in it that there is no encouragement to stop importing, dealing etc. most Cannabis sold here is grown here now and is clearly a good moneymaker. The drugs Tsar was a waste of time and achieved nothing. I assume the CC takes this stance hoping it will put dealers out of business but I,m sure it wouldn't,t because the drug situation is so far out of hand now. Drugs don,t seem to be an important issue for Government nor is Immigration yet benefits seem to be so you have to wonder why their priorities are what they seem to be. As we are trillions in debt There is certainly not going to be any extra money for the NHS to provide drugs so the CC,s case can go no further. Good bit of publicity for him though! ian923
  • Score: 5

5:24pm Thu 13 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Stark, staring mad. He should be locked up.
Stark, staring mad. He should be locked up. David Lacey
  • Score: -4

5:38pm Thu 13 Mar 14

greenfinger says...

this guy talks too much sense, sack him
this guy talks too much sense, sack him greenfinger
  • Score: 8

5:42pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Voice-of-reality says...

if it weren't an illegal product people would think he had shares in the company
if it weren't an illegal product people would think he had shares in the company Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Thu 13 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

Oh yes. Legalise hardcore drugs. Perhaps cultivate and produce the stuff here in Europe. And then safely distribute it from Boots the Chemist. How does that work?

Another trendy, Liberal Uni-drop out Copper with his head in the clouds.
Oh yes. Legalise hardcore drugs. Perhaps cultivate and produce the stuff here in Europe. And then safely distribute it from Boots the Chemist. How does that work? Another trendy, Liberal Uni-drop out Copper with his head in the clouds. johnny_p
  • Score: -13

8:53pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Voice-of-reality says...

He went to university? Surely that is a story worthy of news coverage by itself.
He went to university? Surely that is a story worthy of news coverage by itself. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: -5

9:12pm Thu 13 Mar 14

thehogman says...

David Lacey wrote:
Stark, staring mad. He should be locked up.
Only the fools who don't listen to him should be locked up. This country's most harmful drug is sold legally 24 hours a day and that is alcohol. Doing what this guy says is common sense, heroin kills far less than legal drugs do (alcohol and tobacco) the criminal activity that goes on supplying class A drugs would be stopped in a single stroke
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Stark, staring mad. He should be locked up.[/p][/quote]Only the fools who don't listen to him should be locked up. This country's most harmful drug is sold legally 24 hours a day and that is alcohol. Doing what this guy says is common sense, heroin kills far less than legal drugs do (alcohol and tobacco) the criminal activity that goes on supplying class A drugs would be stopped in a single stroke thehogman
  • Score: 10

10:22pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Daza says...

Good on Barton..

He is intelligent enough to know something different is reqd. here.
It's not his fault his force spent £750000 to get 33 arrests, that is unfortunately the hoops he has to jump through in this day and age.

All of the above is mostly anti police c..p, that is people with axes to grid.

Just remember, it was people like Barton that got the Wright family targetted and locked up.

Give them it for free, supervised, and lets cut the supply of the Drug Dealers off...it's the only way!

If the courts had the same desire of Barton...you would see criminals locked up for far longer, most of these heroin addicts are hapless people caught in a spiral they cannot get out of. It's the big time drug dealers that need putting away...or, put out of business.
Good on Barton.. He is intelligent enough to know something different is reqd. here. It's not his fault his force spent £750000 to get 33 arrests, that is unfortunately the hoops he has to jump through in this day and age. All of the above is mostly anti police c..p, that is people with axes to grid. Just remember, it was people like Barton that got the Wright family targetted and locked up. Give them it for free, supervised, and lets cut the supply of the Drug Dealers off...it's the only way! If the courts had the same desire of Barton...you would see criminals locked up for far longer, most of these heroin addicts are hapless people caught in a spiral they cannot get out of. It's the big time drug dealers that need putting away...or, put out of business. Daza
  • Score: 19

5:10am Fri 14 Mar 14

FreddyF says...

We should not go soft on people that peddle prohibition. Prohibition is a scourge that ruins live and blights communities. We need tough prison sentences for the politicians and tabloid owners that peddle this vile and destructive policy.
We should not go soft on people that peddle prohibition. Prohibition is a scourge that ruins live and blights communities. We need tough prison sentences for the politicians and tabloid owners that peddle this vile and destructive policy. FreddyF
  • Score: 8

7:17am Fri 14 Mar 14

stevegg says...

Hes right, this war is unwinnable, the authorities (not just the police) have lost it and are only scratching the surface. Drugs is rife and taken by all levels of society including judges, vicars and MP's. Its a £billions industry the proceeds of which are going to criminals entirely, time for a complete rethink as current legislation isnt working and never will.
Hes right, this war is unwinnable, the authorities (not just the police) have lost it and are only scratching the surface. Drugs is rife and taken by all levels of society including judges, vicars and MP's. Its a £billions industry the proceeds of which are going to criminals entirely, time for a complete rethink as current legislation isnt working and never will. stevegg
  • Score: 14

7:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

oliviaden6 says...

The next think this clown will want us to leave our doors and windows open with invites come in and help yourself. It is a impossible task America is a example of Police and Authorities loosing the battle against drugs. There is no definitive answer but this i believe is NOT the way forward. But then again drugs are a good way of creating jobs and organisations getting fat from it?
The next think this clown will want us to leave our doors and windows open with invites come in and help yourself. It is a impossible task America is a example of Police and Authorities loosing the battle against drugs. There is no definitive answer but this i believe is NOT the way forward. But then again drugs are a good way of creating jobs and organisations getting fat from it? oliviaden6
  • Score: -12

9:54am Fri 14 Mar 14

user name 3 says...

Give them as much as they want when they want and then we will see a quick drop in use.
Give them as much as they want when they want and then we will see a quick drop in use. user name 3
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

This Durham Police chief is 'Soft' - and definitely 'Not Sensible!'

With his attitude towards junkies, he is a massive liability and a danger to the public.
This Durham Police chief is 'Soft' - and definitely 'Not Sensible!' With his attitude towards junkies, he is a massive liability and a danger to the public. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: -7

2:50pm Fri 14 Mar 14

lee4000 says...

top an bottom of it is bartons correct,give them smack u wont have to woryy bowt been burgled or mugged ,people dont mug bugrle for cannabis,hes right because 30 years plus he has more experoience than any one of us on here bowt why people burgle an what drug makes u burgle,u dont burgle wen ya mortal drunk or need a can,giv these herion addicts it fo r nothing theyll hav money for food a shave a wash clothes an better lifes for there bearns,do u think they like burglin people to support a horrible habit am 36 now smoked canabis 16 year never done 1 burglary for cannabisseen friends 20 years later still mest up off smack until u see what it does to yor friends then u no nothing,an the amount of smackheads in jail for burglary is 95% thats why there in threw herion use,why not trail it for 6 month watch the burglary,crime rates drop an thats fact,from harry of consett
top an bottom of it is bartons correct,give them smack u wont have to woryy bowt been burgled or mugged ,people dont mug bugrle for cannabis,hes right because 30 years plus he has more experoience than any one of us on here bowt why people burgle an what drug makes u burgle,u dont burgle wen ya mortal drunk or need a can,giv these herion addicts it fo r nothing theyll hav money for food a shave a wash clothes an better lifes for there bearns,do u think they like burglin people to support a horrible habit am 36 now smoked canabis 16 year never done 1 burglary for cannabisseen friends 20 years later still mest up off smack until u see what it does to yor friends then u no nothing,an the amount of smackheads in jail for burglary is 95% thats why there in threw herion use,why not trail it for 6 month watch the burglary,crime rates drop an thats fact,from harry of consett lee4000
  • Score: 2

3:00pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Homshaw1 says...

"Throwing the kitchen sink at it" - when I reported an incident it wasn't even recorded.

Hard drugs are going to be made freely available and e-cigarettes will be banned. This country is run by twits.

Hard drugs ruin lives. I see the wretched state of some drug users. If drugs are provided it has to go hand in hand with ridding people of their dependency on drugs. The long term, unconditional supply of drugs to users who have no intention of changing isn't acceptable.
"Throwing the kitchen sink at it" - when I reported an incident it wasn't even recorded. Hard drugs are going to be made freely available and e-cigarettes will be banned. This country is run by twits. Hard drugs ruin lives. I see the wretched state of some drug users. If drugs are provided it has to go hand in hand with ridding people of their dependency on drugs. The long term, unconditional supply of drugs to users who have no intention of changing isn't acceptable. Homshaw1
  • Score: 3

5:41pm Fri 14 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

lee4000 wrote:
top an bottom of it is bartons correct,give them smack u wont have to woryy bowt been burgled or mugged ,people dont mug bugrle for cannabis,hes right because 30 years plus he has more experoience than any one of us on here bowt why people burgle an what drug makes u burgle,u dont burgle wen ya mortal drunk or need a can,giv these herion addicts it fo r nothing theyll hav money for food a shave a wash clothes an better lifes for there bearns,do u think they like burglin people to support a horrible habit am 36 now smoked canabis 16 year never done 1 burglary for cannabisseen friends 20 years later still mest up off smack until u see what it does to yor friends then u no nothing,an the amount of smackheads in jail for burglary is 95% thats why there in threw herion use,why not trail it for 6 month watch the burglary,crime rates drop an thats fact,from harry of consett
....... Exactly. After (trying) to read this it becomes clear why drugs should never be legalised.
[quote][p][bold]lee4000[/bold] wrote: top an bottom of it is bartons correct,give them smack u wont have to woryy bowt been burgled or mugged ,people dont mug bugrle for cannabis,hes right because 30 years plus he has more experoience than any one of us on here bowt why people burgle an what drug makes u burgle,u dont burgle wen ya mortal drunk or need a can,giv these herion addicts it fo r nothing theyll hav money for food a shave a wash clothes an better lifes for there bearns,do u think they like burglin people to support a horrible habit am 36 now smoked canabis 16 year never done 1 burglary for cannabisseen friends 20 years later still mest up off smack until u see what it does to yor friends then u no nothing,an the amount of smackheads in jail for burglary is 95% thats why there in threw herion use,why not trail it for 6 month watch the burglary,crime rates drop an thats fact,from harry of consett[/p][/quote]....... Exactly. After (trying) to read this it becomes clear why drugs should never be legalised. johnny_p
  • Score: 5

12:41am Sat 15 Mar 14

settheworldonfire says...

HE IS A BULL **** MUG.
LEGALIZE DRUGS. GET A LIFE AND QUIT.
THE COPPERS DO NOTHING ABOUT ANY DRUGS NOW.
THEY JUST LET THE DRUGGIE GRASSES GET AWAY WITH PEDALING THE FILTH AS LONG AS THEY GRASS UP THE NEXT 1 UP THE LADDER.
THE "TROW" FAMILY IN CROOK ARE THE BIGGEST DEALERS AROUND BUT THE POLICE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH SELLING DRUGS AS LONG AS THEY GRASS EVERY ONE FROM THE DURHAM AREA UP.
HE IS A BULL **** MUG. LEGALIZE DRUGS. GET A LIFE AND QUIT. THE COPPERS DO NOTHING ABOUT ANY DRUGS NOW. THEY JUST LET THE DRUGGIE GRASSES GET AWAY WITH PEDALING THE FILTH AS LONG AS THEY GRASS UP THE NEXT 1 UP THE LADDER. THE "TROW" FAMILY IN CROOK ARE THE BIGGEST DEALERS AROUND BUT THE POLICE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH SELLING DRUGS AS LONG AS THEY GRASS EVERY ONE FROM THE DURHAM AREA UP. settheworldonfire
  • Score: -4

8:50pm Sat 15 Mar 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

lee4000 wrote:
top an bottom of it is bartons correct,give them smack u wont have to woryy bowt been burgled or mugged ,people dont mug bugrle for cannabis,hes right because 30 years plus he has more experoience than any one of us on here bowt why people burgle an what drug makes u burgle,u dont burgle wen ya mortal drunk or need a can,giv these herion addicts it fo r nothing theyll hav money for food a shave a wash clothes an better lifes for there bearns,do u think they like burglin people to support a horrible habit am 36 now smoked canabis 16 year never done 1 burglary for cannabisseen friends 20 years later still mest up off smack until u see what it does to yor friends then u no nothing,an the amount of smackheads in jail for burglary is 95% thats why there in threw herion use,why not trail it for 6 month watch the burglary,crime rates drop an thats fact,from harry of consett
I think you're on drugs judging by your appalling grasp of the English language.
[quote][p][bold]lee4000[/bold] wrote: top an bottom of it is bartons correct,give them smack u wont have to woryy bowt been burgled or mugged ,people dont mug bugrle for cannabis,hes right because 30 years plus he has more experoience than any one of us on here bowt why people burgle an what drug makes u burgle,u dont burgle wen ya mortal drunk or need a can,giv these herion addicts it fo r nothing theyll hav money for food a shave a wash clothes an better lifes for there bearns,do u think they like burglin people to support a horrible habit am 36 now smoked canabis 16 year never done 1 burglary for cannabisseen friends 20 years later still mest up off smack until u see what it does to yor friends then u no nothing,an the amount of smackheads in jail for burglary is 95% thats why there in threw herion use,why not trail it for 6 month watch the burglary,crime rates drop an thats fact,from harry of consett[/p][/quote]I think you're on drugs judging by your appalling grasp of the English language. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: -8

11:09pm Sun 16 Mar 14

flaxton says...

Far better to adopt the Asian approach to drugs and give out death sentences to dealers. No excuses anymore, no more treating addicts like they are victims, especially when they undertake criminal activities or bash people. Drug and alcohol influence should never be allowed as a mitigating circumstance, personally I'd ask the Police why the suspect has not firstly been charged with being under the influence and following this, then charge them with the offence.
Far better to adopt the Asian approach to drugs and give out death sentences to dealers. No excuses anymore, no more treating addicts like they are victims, especially when they undertake criminal activities or bash people. Drug and alcohol influence should never be allowed as a mitigating circumstance, personally I'd ask the Police why the suspect has not firstly been charged with being under the influence and following this, then charge them with the offence. flaxton
  • Score: -2

5:19am Mon 17 Mar 14

FreddyF says...

Far better to adopt the Asian approach to drugs and give out death sentences to prohibitionists. No excuses anymore, no more treating prohibitionists like they are victims, especially when they undertake criminal activities to bash people. Drug prohibition should never be allowed as a mitigating circumstance, personally I'd ask the Police why the armchair tyrant has not firstly been charged with being under the influence of alcohol and following this, then charge them with the offence.
Far better to adopt the Asian approach to drugs and give out death sentences to prohibitionists. No excuses anymore, no more treating prohibitionists like they are victims, especially when they undertake criminal activities to bash people. Drug prohibition should never be allowed as a mitigating circumstance, personally I'd ask the Police why the armchair tyrant has not firstly been charged with being under the influence of alcohol and following this, then charge them with the offence. FreddyF
  • Score: 2

8:28am Mon 17 Mar 14

Yemen says...

Colarado (a state in the USA which has legalised marijuana) is about to spend 99 million dollars on healthcare and youth education, this money came directly from taxes on marijuana sales !

why on earth are we not doing the same ? the money is being spent anyway why not take it out of the pockets of the dealers and into health care, addiction treatment and education ??

no that would be far to sensible wouldn't it /s
Colarado (a state in the USA which has legalised marijuana) is about to spend 99 million dollars on healthcare and youth education, this money came directly from taxes on marijuana sales ! why on earth are we not doing the same ? the money is being spent anyway why not take it out of the pockets of the dealers and into health care, addiction treatment and education ?? no that would be far to sensible wouldn't it /s Yemen
  • Score: 5

8:29pm Mon 17 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

An extension of 'Britain's free Nanny State' which beggars any belief. Another reason why 'criminal druggie workshy' will always remain 'Criminal Druggie Workshy.' and crime soars. Suggestion ..****.Sack this Chief Constable, as much use to the' law-abiding citize'n as a 'political over paid chocolate-fireguard'
. An affront to law-abiding, working British People. ........ 'UKIP' here I come.
An extension of 'Britain's free Nanny State' which beggars any belief. Another reason why 'criminal druggie workshy' will always remain 'Criminal Druggie Workshy.' and crime soars. Suggestion ..****.Sack this Chief Constable, as much use to the' law-abiding citize'n as a 'political over paid chocolate-fireguard' . An affront to law-abiding, working British People. ........ 'UKIP' here I come. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -4

8:32pm Mon 17 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

What a stinking country Britain has become, when we have political 'police un-pro-'active police idiots like this, costing the British working Taxpayer untold druggie workshy sponsored,.....MILLI
ONS>
What a stinking country Britain has become, when we have political 'police un-pro-'active police idiots like this, costing the British working Taxpayer untold druggie workshy sponsored,.....MILLI ONS> cushybutterfield
  • Score: -4

5:02pm Tue 18 Mar 14

punkrocker says...

many of my mates would like free grog but have to work hard just for a couple of pints at a weekend. can they not get it for free chief constable or should they first turn to crime.
a stupid man with stupid ideas. pc policing at its worst.
many of my mates would like free grog but have to work hard just for a couple of pints at a weekend. can they not get it for free chief constable or should they first turn to crime. a stupid man with stupid ideas. pc policing at its worst. punkrocker
  • Score: -9

1:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

MartinMo says...

punkrocker wrote:
many of my mates would like free grog but have to work hard just for a couple of pints at a weekend. can they not get it for free chief constable or should they first turn to crime.
a stupid man with stupid ideas. pc policing at its worst.
Lol

Everbody in reality wants to live for free, maybe if we all start committing crimes to pay for the stuff we want/need it will eventually be given to us freely.
[quote][p][bold]punkrocker[/bold] wrote: many of my mates would like free grog but have to work hard just for a couple of pints at a weekend. can they not get it for free chief constable or should they first turn to crime. a stupid man with stupid ideas. pc policing at its worst.[/p][/quote]Lol Everbody in reality wants to live for free, maybe if we all start committing crimes to pay for the stuff we want/need it will eventually be given to us freely. MartinMo
  • Score: -3

7:16pm Wed 19 Mar 14

tomtopper says...

There really is some silly illogical comments on here...

Just going off what's written in the article, i'd like to know how Barton proposes to kill off all these 'gangs' by legalising heroin?? That is his motive yes?

If so, what about the much more widely used product called cocaine? Does he want that legalised for the party fraternity too?

If he doesn't want coke legalised than the whole legislation argument falls flat on its face..

If he does, then how will the supply and demand of that work in Barton's world?

Put quite simply, it can't..
There really is some silly illogical comments on here... Just going off what's written in the article, i'd like to know how Barton proposes to kill off all these 'gangs' by legalising heroin?? That is his motive yes? If so, what about the much more widely used product called cocaine? Does he want that legalised for the party fraternity too? If he doesn't want coke legalised than the whole legislation argument falls flat on its face.. If he does, then how will the supply and demand of that work in Barton's world? Put quite simply, it can't.. tomtopper
  • Score: -2

7:32pm Wed 19 Mar 14

tomtopper says...

to quote Barton

"The evidence is if you give people NHS heroin, they get off drugs quicker, they are healthier and they commit far less crime.”

Dear me, what a comment... Has he got shares in some potential NHS heroin supply chain or something??

Barton is paid by the taxpayer to fight crime and enforce our laws, not to be some pseudo scientist-****-social worker...

Two reasons I can see behind his motivation....

1) A hidden interest
2) The pursuit of 'celebrity cop' status (like Brunstrom, Paddick etc)
to quote Barton "The evidence is if you give people NHS heroin, they get off drugs quicker, they are healthier and they commit far less crime.” Dear me, what a comment... Has he got shares in some potential NHS heroin supply chain or something?? Barton is paid by the taxpayer to fight crime and enforce our laws, not to be some pseudo scientist-****-social worker... Two reasons I can see behind his motivation.... 1) A hidden interest 2) The pursuit of 'celebrity cop' status (like Brunstrom, Paddick etc) tomtopper
  • Score: -1

7:47am Thu 20 Mar 14

Yemen says...

tomtopper wrote:
There really is some silly illogical comments on here...

Just going off what's written in the article, i'd like to know how Barton proposes to kill off all these 'gangs' by legalising heroin?? That is his motive yes?

If so, what about the much more widely used product called cocaine? Does he want that legalised for the party fraternity too?

If he doesn't want coke legalised than the whole legislation argument falls flat on its face..

If he does, then how will the supply and demand of that work in Barton's world?

Put quite simply, it can't..
look they are not asking for heroid to be 'legalised' they are asking for it to be decriminalised... meaning they can concentrate on the dealers not that small time addicts.

As for cocaine. it kills far less people that heroin, we need to do something about this war we are not winning, and something fast before crack and crystal meth arrive here and does to us what its done to america.

Ive said it before. legalise and sell cannabis use the money from that to feed directly into the police and hard drug education and rehabilitation.

that's whats happening in the USA right now.
[quote][p][bold]tomtopper[/bold] wrote: There really is some silly illogical comments on here... Just going off what's written in the article, i'd like to know how Barton proposes to kill off all these 'gangs' by legalising heroin?? That is his motive yes? If so, what about the much more widely used product called cocaine? Does he want that legalised for the party fraternity too? If he doesn't want coke legalised than the whole legislation argument falls flat on its face.. If he does, then how will the supply and demand of that work in Barton's world? Put quite simply, it can't..[/p][/quote]look they are not asking for heroid to be 'legalised' they are asking for it to be decriminalised... meaning they can concentrate on the dealers not that small time addicts. As for cocaine. it kills far less people that heroin, we need to do something about this war we are not winning, and something fast before crack and crystal meth arrive here and does to us what its done to america. Ive said it before. legalise and sell cannabis use the money from that to feed directly into the police and hard drug education and rehabilitation. that's whats happening in the USA right now. Yemen
  • Score: 5

9:48am Thu 20 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

A further extension of the ***Liberal party initiated bone-idle, 'learned-helplessnes
s', 'British Workshy Nanny Druggie Benefit dependent State' which has evolved over past decades. Plenty of 'time and money' for workshy criminal Druggies' but on the other hand some decent law-abiding citizens have had to 'police and patrol' their own streets for years, because you never see 'any pro-active copper on foot' to talk to,........... just the usual most........... 'mainly disinterested' police car(s) ....whizzing by'.
A further extension of the ***Liberal party initiated bone-idle, 'learned-helplessnes s', 'British Workshy Nanny Druggie Benefit dependent State' which has evolved over past decades. Plenty of 'time and money' for workshy criminal Druggies' but on the other hand some decent law-abiding citizens have had to 'police and patrol' their own streets for years, because you never see 'any pro-active copper on foot' to talk to,........... just the usual most........... 'mainly disinterested' police car(s) ....whizzing by'. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -3

10:53am Thu 20 Mar 14

pager11 says...

Give them it, live by the sword die by the sword, who cares, Families have been ruined by drugs, I have seen with my own eyes the anguish, stress, turmoil, arguments. He is supposed to uphold the law that is what he gets paid for.
Give them it, live by the sword die by the sword, who cares, Families have been ruined by drugs, I have seen with my own eyes the anguish, stress, turmoil, arguments. He is supposed to uphold the law that is what he gets paid for. pager11
  • Score: 1

8:49pm Thu 20 Mar 14

tomtopper says...

Yemen wrote:
tomtopper wrote:
There really is some silly illogical comments on here...

Just going off what's written in the article, i'd like to know how Barton proposes to kill off all these 'gangs' by legalising heroin?? That is his motive yes?

If so, what about the much more widely used product called cocaine? Does he want that legalised for the party fraternity too?

If he doesn't want coke legalised than the whole legislation argument falls flat on its face..

If he does, then how will the supply and demand of that work in Barton's world?

Put quite simply, it can't..
look they are not asking for heroid to be 'legalised' they are asking for it to be decriminalised... meaning they can concentrate on the dealers not that small time addicts.

As for cocaine. it kills far less people that heroin, we need to do something about this war we are not winning, and something fast before crack and crystal meth arrive here and does to us what its done to america.

Ive said it before. legalise and sell cannabis use the money from that to feed directly into the police and hard drug education and rehabilitation.

that's whats happening in the USA right now.
Small time addicts don't get prosecuted as it is.. Just a mere slap on the wrist..

As for the 'war on drugs' .. I've never seen any war..

What's Barton going to do when these gangs concentrate on cocaine supply and crystal meth supply when heroin demand drops (which they will)? Decriminalise those too?

Heroin users already have a free supply of the stronger methadone and that's obviously not working... And I do believe they supplied actual heroin on the nhs to addicts in the sixties and that didn't work..

And what about the cost? Why should the hard working majority pay for such a folly whilst the Macmillan trust and Air ambulance and RNLI are relying on donations... ?

What will work will be an ultra,ultra tough custodial approach to any users of any classified drugs.. It will send out the right message and demand would inevitably drop.. It's the end user who's responsible for the whole process after all..

Just the same as harsher drink driving punishments have lowered the amount who do it and indeed has indirectly closed many a country pub.. And that is only a mildly harsh approach..

Also, if addiction is such a bad thing, why would you want to legalise it?

Like I've already said, Barton's job is to fight crime and enforce the law.. But that doesn't get your face in the news...
[quote][p][bold]Yemen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tomtopper[/bold] wrote: There really is some silly illogical comments on here... Just going off what's written in the article, i'd like to know how Barton proposes to kill off all these 'gangs' by legalising heroin?? That is his motive yes? If so, what about the much more widely used product called cocaine? Does he want that legalised for the party fraternity too? If he doesn't want coke legalised than the whole legislation argument falls flat on its face.. If he does, then how will the supply and demand of that work in Barton's world? Put quite simply, it can't..[/p][/quote]look they are not asking for heroid to be 'legalised' they are asking for it to be decriminalised... meaning they can concentrate on the dealers not that small time addicts. As for cocaine. it kills far less people that heroin, we need to do something about this war we are not winning, and something fast before crack and crystal meth arrive here and does to us what its done to america. Ive said it before. legalise and sell cannabis use the money from that to feed directly into the police and hard drug education and rehabilitation. that's whats happening in the USA right now.[/p][/quote]Small time addicts don't get prosecuted as it is.. Just a mere slap on the wrist.. As for the 'war on drugs' .. I've never seen any war.. What's Barton going to do when these gangs concentrate on cocaine supply and crystal meth supply when heroin demand drops (which they will)? Decriminalise those too? Heroin users already have a free supply of the stronger methadone and that's obviously not working... And I do believe they supplied actual heroin on the nhs to addicts in the sixties and that didn't work.. And what about the cost? Why should the hard working majority pay for such a folly whilst the Macmillan trust and Air ambulance and RNLI are relying on donations... ? What will work will be an ultra,ultra tough custodial approach to any users of any classified drugs.. It will send out the right message and demand would inevitably drop.. It's the end user who's responsible for the whole process after all.. Just the same as harsher drink driving punishments have lowered the amount who do it and indeed has indirectly closed many a country pub.. And that is only a mildly harsh approach.. Also, if addiction is such a bad thing, why would you want to legalise it? Like I've already said, Barton's job is to fight crime and enforce the law.. But that doesn't get your face in the news... tomtopper
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1:27pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Steve V says...

Feed the smack heads but bust the people who enjoy a harmless plant with amazing medicinal properties? No wonder people have no faith in the Police
Feed the smack heads but bust the people who enjoy a harmless plant with amazing medicinal properties? No wonder people have no faith in the Police Steve V
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