Woman, 50, runs out of patience with council litter pickers and dumps bin bag-full of rubbish in leisure centre

The Northern Echo: Rubbish at Abbey leisure centre Rubbish at Abbey leisure centre

A MIDDLE aged woman who had battled tirelessly to keep her area litter-free reached the end of her patience and dumped a bin bag-full of rubbish in a council sports centre.

Exasperated Jacqueline Stanhope, who describes herself as “the most boring of people”, emptied the debris in the reception of Abbey leisure centre, in Pity Me, County Durham, before staring down the CCTV camera and calmly walking out.

The bizarre incident took place on Wednesday, at about 8.30am.

Astonished leisure staff called the police, who visited the 50-year-old at home that lunchtime for questioning but decided to take no further action.

Speaking from her home in Newton Hall yesterday (Thursday, February 27), Mrs Stanhope said: “I hadn’t committed any crime.

“All I was doing was taking the sports centre’s litter and putting it somewhere else. Let’s call it re-distribution.”

The showdown came after Mrs Stanhope fought a 14-month campaign to get Durham County Council to keep the area tidier.

She has made numerous complaints and at one stage was undertaking one-woman litter picks every day.

The crux came after council workmen cut back bushes and laid wood chippings at the leisure centre but, Mrs Stanhope says, failed to pick up the rubbish exposed by the work.

“I took the bag and tipped it in the foyer,” she said.

“Nothing had got better in a year.

“I’m the most boring person. I haven’t had a parking ticket in my life.”

On the police knocking at her door, she said: “I wasn’t surprised. I’d been waiting for them. I quite expected it.

“I choose to live in Durham. I love the city. I’ve been here 23 years.

“But this is a blot on Durham’s landscape.

“I want the council to be shamed. They are obligated to ensure land is, as far as practicable, kept clear of litter.”

A meeting between the police, council and Mrs Stanhope is planned for next week.

Ian Hoult, the council’s neighbourhood protection manager, said: “We litter pick twice a week in the streets around the leisure centre, run educational sessions in schools and issue fines for those caught dropping litter.

“We have already met with Mrs Stanhope to discuss any concerns and explain we are doing all we can but would also appeal to members of the public to help out by being responsible and not dropping litter.”

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8:23am Fri 28 Feb 14

rat man says...

Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides! rat man
  • Score: 50

8:30am Fri 28 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

Well done.
Well done. DarloXman
  • Score: 46

8:32am Fri 28 Feb 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

I applaud what Mrs Stanhope did. The council are to blame here for their total lack of care and willingness to do the job they're paid by us to do. They are a lazy bunch of toerags who believe the world owes them a living.

Amazingly it didn't take the council long at all to get the police involved after she'd dumped the rubbish. It's a shame they weren't as quick to do something about the problem in the first place!
I applaud what Mrs Stanhope did. The council are to blame here for their total lack of care and willingness to do the job they're paid by us to do. They are a lazy bunch of toerags who believe the world owes them a living. Amazingly it didn't take the council long at all to get the police involved after she'd dumped the rubbish. It's a shame they weren't as quick to do something about the problem in the first place! thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 69

8:52am Fri 28 Feb 14

Ally F says...

Too true rat man. I have some empathy with this woman.

County Councils are incredibly inefficient organisations (DCC not least) with a 'silo mentality' to anything and everything. Each little department is a little empire with its own hierarchy, chain of command, and internal job creation/preservatio
n manifesto.

Parks and Grounds do the maintenance but woe betide anyone showing initiative and clearing up some litter while they are about it. That would have the Street Cleansing department up in arms.

"Neighbourhood Protection Manager" The prosecution rests its case m'lad. Where else but a Council would you find such enigmatic job titles? Who knew he existed? Not I. That’s the way it is, and whenever these back-room Charlies inadvertently find the stone lifted from on top of them they just squint in the light and spout out some meaningless bovine excreta.

Meanwhile back in the real world....
Too true rat man. I have some empathy with this woman. County Councils are incredibly inefficient organisations (DCC not least) with a 'silo mentality' to anything and everything. Each little department is a little empire with its own hierarchy, chain of command, and internal job creation/preservatio n manifesto. Parks and Grounds do the maintenance but woe betide anyone showing initiative and clearing up some litter while they are about it. That would have the Street Cleansing department up in arms. "Neighbourhood Protection Manager" The prosecution rests its case m'lad. Where else but a Council would you find such enigmatic job titles? Who knew he existed? Not I. That’s the way it is, and whenever these back-room Charlies inadvertently find the stone lifted from on top of them they just squint in the light and spout out some meaningless bovine excreta. Meanwhile back in the real world.... Ally F
  • Score: 37

9:12am Fri 28 Feb 14

359282 says...

The "statement" from The Council's Mr Hoult is indicative of the continued decay at the centre of what used to be described as Public Service.
Just look at what he said :

"We litter pick twice a week in the streets around the leisure centre, run educational sessions in schools and issue fines for those caught dropping litter,and have already met with Mrs Stanhope to discuss any concerns and explain we are doing all we can but would also appeal to members of the public to help out by being responsible and not dropping litter.”

Mr Hoult, I would respectfully suggest that your statement should have said,
"We are sorry that we have failed to provide the service that the public deserve from us, and have expressed our thanks to Mrs Stanhope for bringing this to our attention. "

There was absolutely no place for police in this matter whatsoever. There is definitely a role for the Local Authority's Environmental Health Officer though, as this clearly constitutes a public nuisance, and the EHO has a duty to take action against the landowner.
The "statement" from The Council's Mr Hoult is indicative of the continued decay at the centre of what used to be described as Public Service. Just look at what he said : "We litter pick twice a week in the streets around the leisure centre, run educational sessions in schools and issue fines for those caught dropping litter,and have already met with Mrs Stanhope to discuss any concerns and explain we are doing all we can but would also appeal to members of the public to help out by being responsible and not dropping litter.” Mr Hoult, I would respectfully suggest that your statement should have said, "We are sorry that we have failed to provide the service that the public deserve from us, and have expressed our thanks to Mrs Stanhope for bringing this to our attention. " There was absolutely no place for police in this matter whatsoever. There is definitely a role for the Local Authority's Environmental Health Officer though, as this clearly constitutes a public nuisance, and the EHO has a duty to take action against the landowner. 359282
  • Score: 30

9:45am Fri 28 Feb 14

thehogman says...

Well done that lady...deserves a medal
Well done that lady...deserves a medal thehogman
  • Score: 34

11:09am Fri 28 Feb 14

sineater says...

What do you expect when funding is being cut,remember Camerons big society,get off your backsides and get the litter picked up your selves !!
What do you expect when funding is being cut,remember Camerons big society,get off your backsides and get the litter picked up your selves !! sineater
  • Score: -32

11:40am Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

sineater wrote:
What do you expect when funding is being cut,remember Camerons big society,get off your backsides and get the litter picked up your selves !!
Listen you pathetic man If it wasnt for our Liberal Democrat councillors working hard we would of lost Our Leisure Centre through your pathetic spineless Labour chums so stop talking crap and ask your Labour chums to get them pot holes filled in in Brandon the place is a mess man
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: What do you expect when funding is being cut,remember Camerons big society,get off your backsides and get the litter picked up your selves !![/p][/quote]Listen you pathetic man If it wasnt for our Liberal Democrat councillors working hard we would of lost Our Leisure Centre through your pathetic spineless Labour chums so stop talking crap and ask your Labour chums to get them pot holes filled in in Brandon the place is a mess man DURHAM CITY
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11:46am Fri 28 Feb 14

durhamchap says...

I fully support this lady.I too live on Newton Hall and regularly walk my dog and find myself putting all manner of rubbish in what few rubbish bins there are ranging from fast food packaging,other dog owners poo bags who are too idle to take it to a bin and even plastic coke bottles of whisky & coke from the local alcoholic who leaves them daily.We have dog poo bins but very few ordinary bins on the estate and very rarely do we see a street cleaner
I fully support this lady.I too live on Newton Hall and regularly walk my dog and find myself putting all manner of rubbish in what few rubbish bins there are ranging from fast food packaging,other dog owners poo bags who are too idle to take it to a bin and even plastic coke bottles of whisky & coke from the local alcoholic who leaves them daily.We have dog poo bins but very few ordinary bins on the estate and very rarely do we see a street cleaner durhamchap
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11:58am Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
Rat man It is really not justified to blame the Leisure Centre Staff they work hard under increasing preasure. Are you aware of the history of Abbey these are the opening hours
Opening times and location
Monday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Tuesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Wednesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Thursday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Friday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 7.00pm
Saturday 9.30am - 2.30 pm
Sunday Closed

The leisure centre staff had their hours reduced and the priority is the well being of customers and visitors inside the building the Leisure staff also did not do there qualifications to be a litterpicker that is for the parks department its not the staffs fault that this lady has liiterpicked before the centre has even opened or the council parks lads start there shift.

Keep up the Good Work Abbey Leisure Staff you do a great job I am more than sure a sensible soloution will be found soon.
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]Rat man It is really not justified to blame the Leisure Centre Staff they work hard under increasing preasure. Are you aware of the history of Abbey these are the opening hours Opening times and location Monday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Tuesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Wednesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Thursday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Friday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 7.00pm Saturday 9.30am - 2.30 pm Sunday Closed The leisure centre staff had their hours reduced and the priority is the well being of customers and visitors inside the building the Leisure staff also did not do there qualifications to be a litterpicker that is for the parks department its not the staffs fault that this lady has liiterpicked before the centre has even opened or the council parks lads start there shift. Keep up the Good Work Abbey Leisure Staff you do a great job I am more than sure a sensible soloution will be found soon. DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 11

12:12pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

Anyway come along and enjoy Abbey's facilities on a brighter note here is what it has to offer
What's available
fitness suite and memberships
exercise classes
sports hall
online booking
sauna and steam room
squash courts
outdoor skate park
outdoor multi-use games area
facility hire
free cycle hire
children's parties
free parking
Anyway come along and enjoy Abbey's facilities on a brighter note here is what it has to offer What's available fitness suite and memberships exercise classes sports hall online booking sauna and steam room squash courts outdoor skate park outdoor multi-use games area facility hire free cycle hire children's parties free parking DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 6

12:32pm Fri 28 Feb 14

David Lacey says...

Nice to see such positive comments (excepting Loopy's predictable nonsense). Newton Hall generates a huge proportion of DCCs income yet we get a lousy service in return. Money is spent in wards where they vote Labour. This lady is one of many local volunteers (including me) who do our bit to keep the place tidy. But our time is being taken for granted.
Nice to see such positive comments (excepting Loopy's predictable nonsense). Newton Hall generates a huge proportion of DCCs income yet we get a lousy service in return. Money is spent in wards where they vote Labour. This lady is one of many local volunteers (including me) who do our bit to keep the place tidy. But our time is being taken for granted. David Lacey
  • Score: 14

12:43pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

David Lacey wrote:
Nice to see such positive comments (excepting Loopy's predictable nonsense). Newton Hall generates a huge proportion of DCCs income yet we get a lousy service in return. Money is spent in wards where they vote Labour. This lady is one of many local volunteers (including me) who do our bit to keep the place tidy. But our time is being taken for granted.
keep up the good work unfortunately it will be taken for granted by people breaking the law and Labour obviously keep going proud of you all
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Nice to see such positive comments (excepting Loopy's predictable nonsense). Newton Hall generates a huge proportion of DCCs income yet we get a lousy service in return. Money is spent in wards where they vote Labour. This lady is one of many local volunteers (including me) who do our bit to keep the place tidy. But our time is being taken for granted.[/p][/quote]keep up the good work unfortunately it will be taken for granted by people breaking the law and Labour obviously keep going proud of you all DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 14

12:53pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

I feel sorry for Mrs Stanhope, its a fair bet she does a far more 'professional job' of litter cleaning than many Council Workers. In general terms Mrs Stanhope you have very little chance agains both recurring litter and 'litter left DORMANT for years under bushes',, you are fighting a 'dinosaur Union Council engrained council mentatlity'. Before long there will be more separate Council based Litter Unions, One Union to 'authorise' 'Pick up Coca-Cola Tins' ONLY. Another Union to 'authorise pick up' discarded 'cigarette ends' ONLY. Another Union to authorise the pick Up of 'Fish and Chip' papers ONLY. 'Another Union' to pick up 'Discarded Drug Needles only' (This is a more specialised job of course),. 'Another Union' to pick up 'discarded sweetpapers' and 'chocolate wrappings.' In general terms you are fighting a 'historical laid-back' council cushy medevial 'do as they want' negative ****Council mentality (This is so with MOST (not all) COUNCILS. Some called *Council cuts mentioned by ****Sineater*****, is a total load of political codswallop, so called Council cuts make NO difference at all to the general appearance and state of most British Streets and estates Private r Council,, the last time I saw ANY 'Council Litter Picker and or Road Sweeper' in my street was in July, 1969. For decades, the few bushes that have been cut by the Council 'expose heaps of years of 'laid under the bushes' uncollected 'Litter and rubbish,. A leopard cannot change its spots. 9O per cent of LITTER 'UNDER-BUSHES' it is NEVER CLEANED UP (and NEVER will be), by 'most North East Councils. In fact at the end of the day the minority of 'hardworking (Working) Council Tax Paying local resident volunteers' do a far better Job (They do a proper professional Job) and not left 'One-Tenth' 'done and left' for sme local residents to repeatedly clean up, by some (not all) bone idle 'politically union correct' so called Council Workers.
I feel sorry for Mrs Stanhope, its a fair bet she does a far more 'professional job' of litter cleaning than many Council Workers. In general terms Mrs Stanhope you have very little chance agains both recurring litter and 'litter left DORMANT for years under bushes',, you are fighting a 'dinosaur Union Council engrained council mentatlity'. Before long there will be more separate Council based Litter Unions, One Union to 'authorise' 'Pick up Coca-Cola Tins' ONLY. Another Union to 'authorise pick up' discarded 'cigarette ends' ONLY. Another Union to authorise the pick Up of 'Fish and Chip' papers ONLY. 'Another Union' to pick up 'Discarded Drug Needles only' (This is a more specialised job of course),. 'Another Union' to pick up 'discarded sweetpapers' and 'chocolate wrappings.' In general terms you are fighting a 'historical laid-back' council cushy medevial 'do as they want' negative ****Council mentality (This is so with MOST (not all) COUNCILS. Some called *Council cuts mentioned by ****Sineater*****, is a total load of political codswallop, so called Council cuts make NO difference at all to the general appearance and state of most British Streets and estates Private r Council,, the last time I saw ANY 'Council Litter Picker and or Road Sweeper' in my street was in July, 1969. For decades, the few bushes that have been cut by the Council 'expose heaps of years of 'laid under the bushes' uncollected 'Litter and rubbish,. A leopard cannot change its spots. 9O per cent of LITTER 'UNDER-BUSHES' it is NEVER CLEANED UP (and NEVER will be), by 'most North East Councils. In fact at the end of the day the minority of 'hardworking (Working) Council Tax Paying local resident volunteers' do a far better Job (They do a proper professional Job) and not left 'One-Tenth' 'done and left' for sme local residents to repeatedly clean up, by some (not all) bone idle 'politically union correct' so called Council Workers. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
I feel sorry for Mrs Stanhope, its a fair bet she does a far more 'professional job' of litter cleaning than many Council Workers. In general terms Mrs Stanhope you have very little chance agains both recurring litter and 'litter left DORMANT for years under bushes',, you are fighting a 'dinosaur Union Council engrained council mentatlity'. Before long there will be more separate Council based Litter Unions, One Union to 'authorise' 'Pick up Coca-Cola Tins' ONLY. Another Union to 'authorise pick up' discarded 'cigarette ends' ONLY. Another Union to authorise the pick Up of 'Fish and Chip' papers ONLY. 'Another Union' to pick up 'Discarded Drug Needles only' (This is a more specialised job of course),. 'Another Union' to pick up 'discarded sweetpapers' and 'chocolate wrappings.' In general terms you are fighting a 'historical laid-back' council cushy medevial 'do as they want' negative ****Council mentality (This is so with MOST (not all) COUNCILS. Some called *Council cuts mentioned by ****Sineater*****, is a total load of political codswallop, so called Council cuts make NO difference at all to the general appearance and state of most British Streets and estates Private r Council,, the last time I saw ANY 'Council Litter Picker and or Road Sweeper' in my street was in July, 1969. For decades, the few bushes that have been cut by the Council 'expose heaps of years of 'laid under the bushes' uncollected 'Litter and rubbish,. A leopard cannot change its spots. 9O per cent of LITTER 'UNDER-BUSHES' it is NEVER CLEANED UP (and NEVER will be), by 'most North East Councils. In fact at the end of the day the minority of 'hardworking (Working) Council Tax Paying local resident volunteers' do a far better Job (They do a proper professional Job) and not left 'One-Tenth' 'done and left' for sme local residents to repeatedly clean up, by some (not all) bone idle 'politically union correct' so called Council Workers.
here here
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: I feel sorry for Mrs Stanhope, its a fair bet she does a far more 'professional job' of litter cleaning than many Council Workers. In general terms Mrs Stanhope you have very little chance agains both recurring litter and 'litter left DORMANT for years under bushes',, you are fighting a 'dinosaur Union Council engrained council mentatlity'. Before long there will be more separate Council based Litter Unions, One Union to 'authorise' 'Pick up Coca-Cola Tins' ONLY. Another Union to 'authorise pick up' discarded 'cigarette ends' ONLY. Another Union to authorise the pick Up of 'Fish and Chip' papers ONLY. 'Another Union' to pick up 'Discarded Drug Needles only' (This is a more specialised job of course),. 'Another Union' to pick up 'discarded sweetpapers' and 'chocolate wrappings.' In general terms you are fighting a 'historical laid-back' council cushy medevial 'do as they want' negative ****Council mentality (This is so with MOST (not all) COUNCILS. Some called *Council cuts mentioned by ****Sineater*****, is a total load of political codswallop, so called Council cuts make NO difference at all to the general appearance and state of most British Streets and estates Private r Council,, the last time I saw ANY 'Council Litter Picker and or Road Sweeper' in my street was in July, 1969. For decades, the few bushes that have been cut by the Council 'expose heaps of years of 'laid under the bushes' uncollected 'Litter and rubbish,. A leopard cannot change its spots. 9O per cent of LITTER 'UNDER-BUSHES' it is NEVER CLEANED UP (and NEVER will be), by 'most North East Councils. In fact at the end of the day the minority of 'hardworking (Working) Council Tax Paying local resident volunteers' do a far better Job (They do a proper professional Job) and not left 'One-Tenth' 'done and left' for sme local residents to repeatedly clean up, by some (not all) bone idle 'politically union correct' so called Council Workers.[/p][/quote]here here DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Fri 28 Feb 14

rat man says...

DURHAM CITY wrote:
rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
Rat man It is really not justified to blame the Leisure Centre Staff they work hard under increasing preasure. Are you aware of the history of Abbey these are the opening hours
Opening times and location
Monday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Tuesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Wednesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Thursday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Friday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 7.00pm
Saturday 9.30am - 2.30 pm
Sunday Closed

The leisure centre staff had their hours reduced and the priority is the well being of customers and visitors inside the building the Leisure staff also did not do there qualifications to be a litterpicker that is for the parks department its not the staffs fault that this lady has liiterpicked before the centre has even opened or the council parks lads start there shift.

Keep up the Good Work Abbey Leisure Staff you do a great job I am more than sure a sensible soloution will be found soon.
You sound as if you could be a Labour Party supporting council worker, who probably "works" in the Leisure Centre
[quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]Rat man It is really not justified to blame the Leisure Centre Staff they work hard under increasing preasure. Are you aware of the history of Abbey these are the opening hours Opening times and location Monday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Tuesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Wednesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Thursday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Friday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 7.00pm Saturday 9.30am - 2.30 pm Sunday Closed The leisure centre staff had their hours reduced and the priority is the well being of customers and visitors inside the building the Leisure staff also did not do there qualifications to be a litterpicker that is for the parks department its not the staffs fault that this lady has liiterpicked before the centre has even opened or the council parks lads start there shift. Keep up the Good Work Abbey Leisure Staff you do a great job I am more than sure a sensible soloution will be found soon.[/p][/quote]You sound as if you could be a Labour Party supporting council worker, who probably "works" in the Leisure Centre rat man
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

rat man wrote:
DURHAM CITY wrote:
rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
Rat man It is really not justified to blame the Leisure Centre Staff they work hard under increasing preasure. Are you aware of the history of Abbey these are the opening hours
Opening times and location
Monday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Tuesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Wednesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Thursday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm
Friday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 7.00pm
Saturday 9.30am - 2.30 pm
Sunday Closed

The leisure centre staff had their hours reduced and the priority is the well being of customers and visitors inside the building the Leisure staff also did not do there qualifications to be a litterpicker that is for the parks department its not the staffs fault that this lady has liiterpicked before the centre has even opened or the council parks lads start there shift.

Keep up the Good Work Abbey Leisure Staff you do a great job I am more than sure a sensible soloution will be found soon.
You sound as if you could be a Labour Party supporting council worker, who probably "works" in the Leisure Centre
Labour supporting are you having a laugh I am not deluded man No way do I vote Labour they tried to close Abbey Leisure Centre if you read my above comments on sineaters rubbish No I dont work there I am a customer who will protect the Leisure Centre staff as they work hard under the cuts of Labour run council
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]Rat man It is really not justified to blame the Leisure Centre Staff they work hard under increasing preasure. Are you aware of the history of Abbey these are the opening hours Opening times and location Monday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Tuesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Wednesday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Thursday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 8.00pm Friday 8.30am - 10.30am 2.00pm - 7.00pm Saturday 9.30am - 2.30 pm Sunday Closed The leisure centre staff had their hours reduced and the priority is the well being of customers and visitors inside the building the Leisure staff also did not do there qualifications to be a litterpicker that is for the parks department its not the staffs fault that this lady has liiterpicked before the centre has even opened or the council parks lads start there shift. Keep up the Good Work Abbey Leisure Staff you do a great job I am more than sure a sensible soloution will be found soon.[/p][/quote]You sound as if you could be a Labour Party supporting council worker, who probably "works" in the Leisure Centre[/p][/quote]Labour supporting are you having a laugh I am not deluded man No way do I vote Labour they tried to close Abbey Leisure Centre if you read my above comments on sineaters rubbish No I dont work there I am a customer who will protect the Leisure Centre staff as they work hard under the cuts of Labour run council DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 7

1:20pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood DURHAM CITY
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1:21pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

DURHAM CITY wrote:
rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood
busy that should read
[quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood[/p][/quote]busy that should read DURHAM CITY
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1:27pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Ally F says...

Which Leisure centre are we discussing here; Abbey Leisure Centre or County Hall?
Which Leisure centre are we discussing here; Abbey Leisure Centre or County Hall? Ally F
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1:41pm Fri 28 Feb 14

rat man says...

DURHAM CITY wrote:
DURHAM CITY wrote:
rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood
busy that should read
McDonalds staff keep the environs of their work place free of litter, so why can't the Leisure Centre?
[quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood[/p][/quote]busy that should read[/p][/quote]McDonalds staff keep the environs of their work place free of litter, so why can't the Leisure Centre? rat man
  • Score: 4

1:41pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Talking about litter generally, have you seen and observed the **filthy disgusting state of most 'British Cities and Towns' after ANY SCHOOL Holiday, 'half-term' or otherwise., caused by a number of schoolchildren and/or young people. Hedges, pavements, grassed areas, telephone boxes, covered with 'carpets' of filthy illegally discarded litter and ****chewing gum litter*****,, in some instances *****strewn around for miles***. Cans bottles, Take away wrappers 'pushed into Private Hedges of Houses'...........I counted 27 Tins, 14 Plastic bottles and assorted paper ilegally discarded on a grassed area (near a closed 'half-term' school) with THREE LITTER BINS SITUATED SIX TO TWELVE YARDS AWAY. This filth was caused mainly by a nmber of **'bone idle' ***spoilt brat schoolkids (No Pride or sense of pride in neighbourhood and/or community).. Every School Holiday (Month after Month, Year after Year), our area is turned into a filthy, litter strewn disgusting 'open rubbish tip', with rarely ever any Council Worker OR *****parents of these litter miscreats**** to be seen. This is how many live and treat their local community streets and open spaces nowadays, Could NOT CARE a Monkies, LEAVE IT ALL SOME MUG HARDWORKING COUNCIL TAX PAYING RESIDENT WHO WILL CLEAN THEIR FILTH UP AFTER THEM.
Talking about litter generally, have you seen and observed the **filthy disgusting state of most 'British Cities and Towns' after ANY SCHOOL Holiday, 'half-term' or otherwise., caused by a number of schoolchildren and/or young people. Hedges, pavements, grassed areas, telephone boxes, covered with 'carpets' of filthy illegally discarded litter and ****chewing gum litter*****,, in some instances *****strewn around for miles***. Cans bottles, Take away wrappers 'pushed into Private Hedges of Houses'...........I counted 27 Tins, 14 Plastic bottles and assorted paper ilegally discarded on a grassed area (near a closed 'half-term' school) with THREE LITTER BINS SITUATED SIX TO TWELVE YARDS AWAY. This filth was caused mainly by a nmber of **'bone idle' ***spoilt brat schoolkids (No Pride or sense of pride in neighbourhood and/or community).. Every School Holiday (Month after Month, Year after Year), our area is turned into a filthy, litter strewn disgusting 'open rubbish tip', with rarely ever any Council Worker OR *****parents of these litter miscreats**** to be seen. This is how many live and treat their local community streets and open spaces nowadays, Could NOT CARE a Monkies, LEAVE IT ALL SOME MUG HARDWORKING COUNCIL TAX PAYING RESIDENT WHO WILL CLEAN THEIR FILTH UP AFTER THEM. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Fri 28 Feb 14

David Lacey says...

Utterly BRILLIANT Ally!
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Utterly BRILLIANT Ally! . David Lacey
  • Score: 2

1:45pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

rat man wrote:
DURHAM CITY wrote:
DURHAM CITY wrote:
rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood
busy that should read
McDonalds staff keep the environs of their work place free of litter, so why can't the Leisure Centre?
because macdonalds have loads of staff the leisure centre don't jesus
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood[/p][/quote]busy that should read[/p][/quote]McDonalds staff keep the environs of their work place free of litter, so why can't the Leisure Centre?[/p][/quote]because macdonalds have loads of staff the leisure centre don't jesus DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 2

1:56pm Fri 28 Feb 14

sineater says...

Predictable nonsense David , I was repeating C amerons predictable nonsense,iff they want sav ings form council budgets ,then that was what Cameron ment b y the big society,people should be taking over duties that redundant staff used to do . Libraries across the country,and leisure centres are being run by volunteers,so why n ot people using their free time to litter pick. This is something that you do your self with the countryside rangers do you not ?,then it is only common sense -not nonsense for people to litter pick in urban areas,so less of the insults,
Predictable nonsense David , I was repeating C amerons predictable nonsense,iff they want sav ings form council budgets ,then that was what Cameron ment b y the big society,people should be taking over duties that redundant staff used to do . Libraries across the country,and leisure centres are being run by volunteers,so why n ot people using their free time to litter pick. This is something that you do your self with the countryside rangers do you not ?,then it is only common sense -not nonsense for people to litter pick in urban areas,so less of the insults, sineater
  • Score: -11

2:46pm Fri 28 Feb 14

rat man says...

DURHAM CITY wrote:
rat man wrote:
DURHAM CITY wrote:
DURHAM CITY wrote:
rat man wrote:
Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council.
If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides!
the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood
busy that should read
McDonalds staff keep the environs of their work place free of litter, so why can't the Leisure Centre?
because macdonalds have loads of staff the leisure centre don't jesus
And they are probably on a fraction of their wages! Christ
[quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DURHAM CITY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of an ineffectual response from Durham County Council. If this was a privately run establishment, the leisure centre staff would be keeping the area clean and tidy, instead of sitting on their back sides![/p][/quote]the fact is it is not the Leisure Centre Staffs Job to go ratting about in the bushes they are bust taking inductions in the gym for people who have been sent by the doctor or who are genrally wanting to get fit, then they have to recieve customers at reception what do you want blood[/p][/quote]busy that should read[/p][/quote]McDonalds staff keep the environs of their work place free of litter, so why can't the Leisure Centre?[/p][/quote]because macdonalds have loads of staff the leisure centre don't jesus[/p][/quote]And they are probably on a fraction of their wages! Christ rat man
  • Score: 3

2:50pm Fri 28 Feb 14

rat man says...

This all getting a bit personal. Instead of wasting time posting comments on this site, why don't we all go down to Abbey Road and pick up some litter!
This all getting a bit personal. Instead of wasting time posting comments on this site, why don't we all go down to Abbey Road and pick up some litter! rat man
  • Score: 8

2:51pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

rat man wrote:
This all getting a bit personal. Instead of wasting time posting comments on this site, why don't we all go down to Abbey Road and pick up some litter!
see you in 10 minutes
[quote][p][bold]rat man[/bold] wrote: This all getting a bit personal. Instead of wasting time posting comments on this site, why don't we all go down to Abbey Road and pick up some litter![/p][/quote]see you in 10 minutes DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 6

4:48pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Copley23 says...

Of for crying out loud, the council hasn't got the money to be limp-wristing its backside round picking up litter. That's the very least of it's self-afflicted problems.

How about all the 'holier than thou's' out there educating their kids - and themselves - not to be such untidy, disrespectful pieces of waste.......

I personally object to the council HAVING to set aside a lump of budget just for the act of cleaning up after anyone. Have some pride.
Of for crying out loud, the council hasn't got the money to be limp-wristing its backside round picking up litter. That's the very least of it's self-afflicted problems. How about all the 'holier than thou's' out there educating their kids - and themselves - not to be such untidy, disrespectful pieces of waste....... I personally object to the council HAVING to set aside a lump of budget just for the act of cleaning up after anyone. Have some pride. Copley23
  • Score: 15

5:20pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Mod says...

And the moral of the story is-----"DON'T THROW LITTER"
And the moral of the story is-----"DON'T THROW LITTER" Mod
  • Score: 15

5:32pm Fri 28 Feb 14

sineater says...

Yes MOD, Iff people wee brought up properly, there would be no problem,I once watched as two lads dropped litter in front of a policeman, they laughed when he asked iff they'd like a walk to the police station,they changed their tune when they realised he was deadly serious .
Yes MOD, Iff people wee brought up properly, there would be no problem,I once watched as two lads dropped litter in front of a policeman, they laughed when he asked iff they'd like a walk to the police station,they changed their tune when they realised he was deadly serious . sineater
  • Score: 3

5:40pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Spy Boy says...

Well done, Mrs Stanhope. We need more people like you.
Well done, Mrs Stanhope. We need more people like you. Spy Boy
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Get many of these workshy long term benefit claimants of their butts and make it **compulsery that they do so many hours of litter picking a week. Make them EARN their Free Dole/Housing/Welfare State Benefits. Why should volunteers like Mrs Stanhope have to clean up after 'some bone idle punters' who do not care a monkies about littering. At the end of the day, it is down to CIVIC PRIDE and STANDARDS unfortunately many cannot even 'spell these words or define what they mean', they have NO concept of a 'clean north east enviroment' and many (Not all) are content to live in filthy litter strewn streets and Towns because they know no different. No wonder many ***tourists and some possible 'north east new industry seekers', turn away from parts of the 'North East' in sheer utter disgust, describing some Towns and areas as 'filthly, dirty, medevial litter strewn dumps''.. No excuses please, or 'pathetic political 'point-scoring' any littering, ***TAB-CIGGIE ENDS AND **DOG FEACES included, (and illegal Grafittie) is just pure lazy, pig minded sheer ignorance on behalf of any 'litterers' who should be made to pick it up and then FINED ...'On the Spot', as they do in Newcastle.
Get many of these workshy long term benefit claimants of their butts and make it **compulsery that they do so many hours of litter picking a week. Make them EARN their Free Dole/Housing/Welfare State Benefits. Why should volunteers like Mrs Stanhope have to clean up after 'some bone idle punters' who do not care a monkies about littering. At the end of the day, it is down to CIVIC PRIDE and STANDARDS unfortunately many cannot even 'spell these words or define what they mean', they have NO concept of a 'clean north east enviroment' and many (Not all) are content to live in filthy litter strewn streets and Towns because they know no different. No wonder many ***tourists and some possible 'north east new industry seekers', turn away from parts of the 'North East' in sheer utter disgust, describing some Towns and areas as 'filthly, dirty, medevial litter strewn dumps''.. No excuses please, or 'pathetic political 'point-scoring' any littering, ***TAB-CIGGIE ENDS AND **DOG FEACES included, (and illegal Grafittie) is just pure lazy, pig minded sheer ignorance on behalf of any 'litterers' who should be made to pick it up and then FINED ...'On the Spot', as they do in Newcastle. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 4

6:16pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

There is a 'certain tree' in the North East, it is called the '***Hanging DOG FEACEAS Tree', (You could replacate this tree **ONE THOUSAND TIMES in the North East of England, a ***minority of ignorant bone-idle Dog owners scoop their discarded Dog Feaces into plastic bags and hurl them into the Tree. So what do we have ?,......a Tree laden with *****Hanging Dog Feaces****(Some illegally discarded dog feaces bags also end up in 'nearby Bushes and Private Gardens'). Just How ignorant can some dog owners get ?...................
......they must have been reared and brought with sheer dirty, filthy, selfish pit type habits, obviously in need of prime 're-social-educating
'.. The Answer......... 'On the Spot FINES' and make them clean their 'illegal Dog Filth up'..
There is a 'certain tree' in the North East, it is called the '***Hanging DOG FEACEAS Tree', (You could replacate this tree **ONE THOUSAND TIMES in the North East of England, a ***minority of ignorant bone-idle Dog owners scoop their discarded Dog Feaces into plastic bags and hurl them into the Tree. So what do we have ?,......a Tree laden with *****Hanging Dog Feaces****(Some illegally discarded dog feaces bags also end up in 'nearby Bushes and Private Gardens'). Just How ignorant can some dog owners get ?................... ......they must have been reared and brought with sheer dirty, filthy, selfish pit type habits, obviously in need of prime 're-social-educating '.. The Answer......... 'On the Spot FINES' and make them clean their 'illegal Dog Filth up'.. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Fri 28 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
There is a 'certain tree' in the North East, it is called the '***Hanging DOG FEACEAS Tree', (You could replacate this tree **ONE THOUSAND TIMES in the North East of England, a ***minority of ignorant bone-idle Dog owners scoop their discarded Dog Feaces into plastic bags and hurl them into the Tree. So what do we have ?,......a Tree laden with *****Hanging Dog Feaces****(Some illegally discarded dog feaces bags also end up in 'nearby Bushes and Private Gardens'). Just How ignorant can some dog owners get ?...................

......they must have been reared and brought with sheer dirty, filthy, selfish pit type habits, obviously in need of prime 're-social-educating

'.. The Answer......... 'On the Spot FINES' and make them clean their 'illegal Dog Filth up'..
well said
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: There is a 'certain tree' in the North East, it is called the '***Hanging DOG FEACEAS Tree', (You could replacate this tree **ONE THOUSAND TIMES in the North East of England, a ***minority of ignorant bone-idle Dog owners scoop their discarded Dog Feaces into plastic bags and hurl them into the Tree. So what do we have ?,......a Tree laden with *****Hanging Dog Feaces****(Some illegally discarded dog feaces bags also end up in 'nearby Bushes and Private Gardens'). Just How ignorant can some dog owners get ?................... ......they must have been reared and brought with sheer dirty, filthy, selfish pit type habits, obviously in need of prime 're-social-educating '.. The Answer......... 'On the Spot FINES' and make them clean their 'illegal Dog Filth up'..[/p][/quote]well said DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 3

8:12pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Britain the dirtiest, filthy most 'bone idle ignorant 'litter strewn' country in Northern Europe. Akin to an open tip.
Britain the dirtiest, filthy most 'bone idle ignorant 'litter strewn' country in Northern Europe. Akin to an open tip. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 4

9:51pm Fri 28 Feb 14

settheworldonfire says...

The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..
The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses.. settheworldonfire
  • Score: 4

1:26am Sat 1 Mar 14

Joanne2410 says...

settheworldonfire wrote:
The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..
These workers also have boundaries to work by! If it is private land the council lads cannot by law touch it or they are trespassing- masses or litter to clear or not! So landowners also need to take some responsibility!
[quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..[/p][/quote]These workers also have boundaries to work by! If it is private land the council lads cannot by law touch it or they are trespassing- masses or litter to clear or not! So landowners also need to take some responsibility! Joanne2410
  • Score: 1

7:52am Sat 1 Mar 14

ragdoll22 says...

Well done Mrs Stanhope I also pick up litter when I am out for a walk I have reported an excess amount of litter along our main road nothing has been done about it
Well done Mrs Stanhope I also pick up litter when I am out for a walk I have reported an excess amount of litter along our main road nothing has been done about it ragdoll22
  • Score: 2

9:21am Sat 1 Mar 14

Durhamite1979 says...

Joanne2410 wrote:
settheworldonfire wrote:
The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..
These workers also have boundaries to work by! If it is private land the council lads cannot by law touch it or they are trespassing- masses or litter to clear or not! So landowners also need to take some responsibility!
Well that's rubbish (ha ha!) isn't it - some scroaty little runt dumps a load of, for example, tree clippings on a piece of land that they don't own. If the council don't own it, they don't clear it up?

They don't own my house but charge me council tax for it and they don't own my business (its easy to tell they don't as its successful) but they charge me business rates?

Why should I take responsibility for the law-breaking actions of others?
[quote][p][bold]Joanne2410[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..[/p][/quote]These workers also have boundaries to work by! If it is private land the council lads cannot by law touch it or they are trespassing- masses or litter to clear or not! So landowners also need to take some responsibility![/p][/quote]Well that's rubbish (ha ha!) isn't it - some scroaty little runt dumps a load of, for example, tree clippings on a piece of land that they don't own. If the council don't own it, they don't clear it up? They don't own my house but charge me council tax for it and they don't own my business (its easy to tell they don't as its successful) but they charge me business rates? Why should I take responsibility for the law-breaking actions of others? Durhamite1979
  • Score: 2

9:49am Sat 1 Mar 14

sleeping dragon says...

settheworldonfire wrote:
The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..
how wrong one can be i thought it was your burger van settheworldonfire parked at lilac gardens crook when not earning a crust
[quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..[/p][/quote]how wrong one can be i thought it was your burger van settheworldonfire parked at lilac gardens crook when not earning a crust sleeping dragon
  • Score: 0

9:55am Sat 1 Mar 14

sleeping dragon says...

settheworldonfire wrote:
The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..
how wrong one can be i thought it was your burger van settheworldonfire parked at lilac gardens crook when not earning a crust.
[quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: The best laugh is as follows...I go to a burger van at a lay by outside of Crook...The people there who run it have asked the council to clear the fly tipping from the area they trade from....This was June last year...Guess what....It is still there now and not one bit has been removed...Typical of the worst council in the U.K....They do not care unless it is around one of there offices...Also do you all know that a hell of a lot of the staff have just been made charge hands with a massive pay rise...Loads receiving relocation money and freebies i.e. more laptops and mobile phones....Council workers still taking vehicles home and using them to pick council workers up from their homes in a morning and dropping them off after work...Plus taking council equipment home and using it to work on other peoples houses..[/p][/quote]how wrong one can be i thought it was your burger van settheworldonfire parked at lilac gardens crook when not earning a crust. sleeping dragon
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Sat 1 Mar 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

Ally F wrote:
Too true rat man. I have some empathy with this woman.

County Councils are incredibly inefficient organisations (DCC not least) with a 'silo mentality' to anything and everything. Each little department is a little empire with its own hierarchy, chain of command, and internal job creation/preservatio

n manifesto.

Parks and Grounds do the maintenance but woe betide anyone showing initiative and clearing up some litter while they are about it. That would have the Street Cleansing department up in arms.

"Neighbourhood Protection Manager" The prosecution rests its case m'lad. Where else but a Council would you find such enigmatic job titles? Who knew he existed? Not I. That’s the way it is, and whenever these back-room Charlies inadvertently find the stone lifted from on top of them they just squint in the light and spout out some meaningless bovine excreta.

Meanwhile back in the real world....
Couldn't agree more.

Council workers from top to bottom live in a 'jobs for the boys' 'one man one job' environment. They are lazy beyond belief and I would never employ anyone who'd ever worked for this or any other council.
[quote][p][bold]Ally F[/bold] wrote: Too true rat man. I have some empathy with this woman. County Councils are incredibly inefficient organisations (DCC not least) with a 'silo mentality' to anything and everything. Each little department is a little empire with its own hierarchy, chain of command, and internal job creation/preservatio n manifesto. Parks and Grounds do the maintenance but woe betide anyone showing initiative and clearing up some litter while they are about it. That would have the Street Cleansing department up in arms. "Neighbourhood Protection Manager" The prosecution rests its case m'lad. Where else but a Council would you find such enigmatic job titles? Who knew he existed? Not I. That’s the way it is, and whenever these back-room Charlies inadvertently find the stone lifted from on top of them they just squint in the light and spout out some meaningless bovine excreta. Meanwhile back in the real world....[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Council workers from top to bottom live in a 'jobs for the boys' 'one man one job' environment. They are lazy beyond belief and I would never employ anyone who'd ever worked for this or any other council. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: -2

5:00pm Sat 1 Mar 14

humper1 says...

Why is everybody having a go at the council? What about the scruffy sods who can't be bothered putting THEIR litter in a bin, if people had some pride in where they lived we wouldn't have to spend millions of pounds picking it up. To blame the government for it is ridiculous, litter was a problem when labour was in power. Until we as a society make it unacceptable to drop litter it will continue, I was in Darlington today and the amount of litter was terrible. The only people to blame are the ones who drop it.
Why is everybody having a go at the council? What about the scruffy sods who can't be bothered putting THEIR litter in a bin, if people had some pride in where they lived we wouldn't have to spend millions of pounds picking it up. To blame the government for it is ridiculous, litter was a problem when labour was in power. Until we as a society make it unacceptable to drop litter it will continue, I was in Darlington today and the amount of litter was terrible. The only people to blame are the ones who drop it. humper1
  • Score: 14

5:33pm Sat 1 Mar 14

John Durham says...

humper1 wrote:
Why is everybody having a go at the council? What about the scruffy sods who can't be bothered putting THEIR litter in a bin, if people had some pride in where they lived we wouldn't have to spend millions of pounds picking it up. To blame the government for it is ridiculous, litter was a problem when labour was in power. Until we as a society make it unacceptable to drop litter it will continue, I was in Darlington today and the amount of litter was terrible. The only people to blame are the ones who drop it.
Good point - have a wander to any car park near a McDonalds - people in cars just dump the packaging out of the car windows because they're too idle to get out of the car and walk 5 yards.
[quote][p][bold]humper1[/bold] wrote: Why is everybody having a go at the council? What about the scruffy sods who can't be bothered putting THEIR litter in a bin, if people had some pride in where they lived we wouldn't have to spend millions of pounds picking it up. To blame the government for it is ridiculous, litter was a problem when labour was in power. Until we as a society make it unacceptable to drop litter it will continue, I was in Darlington today and the amount of litter was terrible. The only people to blame are the ones who drop it.[/p][/quote]Good point - have a wander to any car park near a McDonalds - people in cars just dump the packaging out of the car windows because they're too idle to get out of the car and walk 5 yards. John Durham
  • Score: 13

5:35pm Sat 1 Mar 14

John Durham says...

PS They're a bolshie lot on Newton Hall obviously - wink, wink Mr L!!
PS They're a bolshie lot on Newton Hall obviously - wink, wink Mr L!! John Durham
  • Score: -1

5:50pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Birdyy says...

Durham folk do like to litter. Surely that is the issue
Durham folk do like to litter. Surely that is the issue Birdyy
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Boris14 says...

Why do people constantly think that ALL council workers are lazy, granted some do take the p**s but that could be said about every employer in the country theres good and bad in every workplace. You have lttle pickers that do the best they can considering the size of the area they walk miles in all conditions picking up litter after those who can't be bothered to use the bins provided, they don't know how lucky they are getting up at 6am while people who can't be arsed to work are tooked up in bed. And not all staff take vehicles home or get picked up and dropped off, if staff are on call I.e pest control etc then its part of the contract. I know staff who have been relocated to the other side of the county without relocation or milage allowance. What people need to be annoyed with is the fact that executives and senior management are taxied around at the expense of the taxpayer. Place the blame at the door of the executives and management for the decisions that are made not all local authority employees are to be blamed, thet pay their way in thankless roles to provide for the family's.
Why do people constantly think that ALL council workers are lazy, granted some do take the p**s but that could be said about every employer in the country theres good and bad in every workplace. You have lttle pickers that do the best they can considering the size of the area they walk miles in all conditions picking up litter after those who can't be bothered to use the bins provided, they don't know how lucky they are getting up at 6am while people who can't be arsed to work are tooked up in bed. And not all staff take vehicles home or get picked up and dropped off, if staff are on call I.e pest control etc then its part of the contract. I know staff who have been relocated to the other side of the county without relocation or milage allowance. What people need to be annoyed with is the fact that executives and senior management are taxied around at the expense of the taxpayer. Place the blame at the door of the executives and management for the decisions that are made not all local authority employees are to be blamed, thet pay their way in thankless roles to provide for the family's. Boris14
  • Score: 10

3:37pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Joanne2410 says...

Boris14 wrote:
Why do people constantly think that ALL council workers are lazy, granted some do take the p**s but that could be said about every employer in the country theres good and bad in every workplace. You have lttle pickers that do the best they can considering the size of the area they walk miles in all conditions picking up litter after those who can't be bothered to use the bins provided, they don't know how lucky they are getting up at 6am while people who can't be arsed to work are tooked up in bed. And not all staff take vehicles home or get picked up and dropped off, if staff are on call I.e pest control etc then its part of the contract. I know staff who have been relocated to the other side of the county without relocation or milage allowance. What people need to be annoyed with is the fact that executives and senior management are taxied around at the expense of the taxpayer. Place the blame at the door of the executives and management for the decisions that are made not all local authority employees are to be blamed, thet pay their way in thankless roles to provide for the family's.
Well said Boris 14. These people do there jobs , they don't ask to be verbally or physically assaulted whilst at work and the scum that do it get away with it! Trust me I know first hand that they do get assaulted whilst at work, my partner was one of the many. Like many big organisations it them at the top that need to be looked at - have they been on the ground working to know how difficult a job it can be for these litter picks? Out in all weathers and in areas after a Friday or Saturday night of revellers? I dare say not!
[quote][p][bold]Boris14[/bold] wrote: Why do people constantly think that ALL council workers are lazy, granted some do take the p**s but that could be said about every employer in the country theres good and bad in every workplace. You have lttle pickers that do the best they can considering the size of the area they walk miles in all conditions picking up litter after those who can't be bothered to use the bins provided, they don't know how lucky they are getting up at 6am while people who can't be arsed to work are tooked up in bed. And not all staff take vehicles home or get picked up and dropped off, if staff are on call I.e pest control etc then its part of the contract. I know staff who have been relocated to the other side of the county without relocation or milage allowance. What people need to be annoyed with is the fact that executives and senior management are taxied around at the expense of the taxpayer. Place the blame at the door of the executives and management for the decisions that are made not all local authority employees are to be blamed, thet pay their way in thankless roles to provide for the family's.[/p][/quote]Well said Boris 14. These people do there jobs , they don't ask to be verbally or physically assaulted whilst at work and the scum that do it get away with it! Trust me I know first hand that they do get assaulted whilst at work, my partner was one of the many. Like many big organisations it them at the top that need to be looked at - have they been on the ground working to know how difficult a job it can be for these litter picks? Out in all weathers and in areas after a Friday or Saturday night of revellers? I dare say not! Joanne2410
  • Score: 6

7:37pm Sun 2 Mar 14

George19 says...

Ian Hoult, the council’s neighbourhood protection manager, said: “We litter pick twice a week in the streets around the leisure centre, run educational sessions in schools and issue fines for those caught dropping litter. So why is this woman Eccentric though she may seem not being prosecuted for tipping litter in a public place, would it have made any difference if she had dumped it in the chief constables office, or the leader of the councils office, I think she may have been arrested, but she has just offended members and their children so it does not matter.
Ian Hoult, the council’s neighbourhood protection manager, said: “We litter pick twice a week in the streets around the leisure centre, run educational sessions in schools and issue fines for those caught dropping litter. So why is this woman Eccentric though she may seem not being prosecuted for tipping litter in a public place, would it have made any difference if she had dumped it in the chief constables office, or the leader of the councils office, I think she may have been arrested, but she has just offended members and their children so it does not matter. George19
  • Score: 8

7:42pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Darkroom Devil says...

Just go to the job centre and get a team of litter pickers right off the dole queue. They'll work for the same income but have far more self respect.

The savings the council makes can then be spent on care etc where their budgets are being severely axed.
Just go to the job centre and get a team of litter pickers right off the dole queue. They'll work for the same income but have far more self respect. The savings the council makes can then be spent on care etc where their budgets are being severely axed. Darkroom Devil
  • Score: 5

3:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Homshaw1 says...

That's the difference between the public and private sector. If you did a job in the private sector and left rubbish you would be sacked. Do it in the public sector and it does not seem to matter

Cutbacks, litter louts - everyone's fault apart from the people who take no pride in their job. Yes there are litter louts around. Fine them when you catch them but don't leave the litter lying around
That's the difference between the public and private sector. If you did a job in the private sector and left rubbish you would be sacked. Do it in the public sector and it does not seem to matter Cutbacks, litter louts - everyone's fault apart from the people who take no pride in their job. Yes there are litter louts around. Fine them when you catch them but don't leave the litter lying around Homshaw1
  • Score: -1

5:56pm Mon 3 Mar 14

sineater says...

Do all private sector workers have pride in their work? the bosses at least want the most money,for the least amount of work,i'm thinking about companies like G4S.
Do all private sector workers have pride in their work? the bosses at least want the most money,for the least amount of work,i'm thinking about companies like G4S. sineater
  • Score: -4

6:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

DURHAM CITY says...

David Lacey wrote:
I thought his first language was Abusive.
He is common as muck David he still will not answer my question why did he change his name from loonyleft I think it was because the northern echo banned him for using naughty words to people who don't like his little Labour Pals bless him I actually feel a tad bit sorry for him haha
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: I thought his first language was Abusive.[/p][/quote]He is common as muck David he still will not answer my question why did he change his name from loonyleft I think it was because the northern echo banned him for using naughty words to people who don't like his little Labour Pals bless him I actually feel a tad bit sorry for him haha DURHAM CITY
  • Score: 5

11:58pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Impartial47 says...

Having read this article and subsequent posts and the differing views on where blame lies for this problem, it is apparent that no one is blaming the individuals who are responsible for the litter in the first place. Society which we are all part of, are responsible!! The litter/rubbish must originate from individuals either living or visiting this area. If they had pride and responsibility for their local environment, the litter would be deposited correctly , thus enabling more time and money to be allocated to improve local services. To much blaming everyone else, whether it be central government, local government, employees, etc etc etc.. Stop passing blame and take responsibility and pride in what you and your families do in the area where you live and stop blaming others for society's failings, because we are society!!
Having read this article and subsequent posts and the differing views on where blame lies for this problem, it is apparent that no one is blaming the individuals who are responsible for the litter in the first place. Society which we are all part of, are responsible!! The litter/rubbish must originate from individuals either living or visiting this area. If they had pride and responsibility for their local environment, the litter would be deposited correctly , thus enabling more time and money to be allocated to improve local services. To much blaming everyone else, whether it be central government, local government, employees, etc etc etc.. Stop passing blame and take responsibility and pride in what you and your families do in the area where you live and stop blaming others for society's failings, because we are society!! Impartial47
  • Score: 6

9:52am Wed 5 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

Spot on impartial47. This free benefit mega orientated state wants Government to do everything for them, 'even provide free toilet paper'. 'Again and again it is nearly always the same, same bone-idle pig ignorant maladjusted individuals and families which over the years have turned the British Countryside and beaches into 'open tips' with their filthy, irresponsible discarded criminal fly tipping and general rubbish ranging from 'Take a Way boxes, 'wrappings', cigarette packets and' A to Z' also discarded plastic on our beaches which is killing and maiming sea life. NO excuses sheer lazy, selfish, 'criminal anti-social' ****'learned' bone idleness, no respect for environment, no standards, NO PRIDE. Clean environment most of the latter could not spell the words, never mind understand their meaning.......So much also for the BILLIONS in Britain spent on so called EDUCATION.
Spot on impartial47. This free benefit mega orientated state wants Government to do everything for them, 'even provide free toilet paper'. 'Again and again it is nearly always the same, same bone-idle pig ignorant maladjusted individuals and families which over the years have turned the British Countryside and beaches into 'open tips' with their filthy, irresponsible discarded criminal fly tipping and general rubbish ranging from 'Take a Way boxes, 'wrappings', cigarette packets and' A to Z' also discarded plastic on our beaches which is killing and maiming sea life. NO excuses sheer lazy, selfish, 'criminal anti-social' ****'learned' bone idleness, no respect for environment, no standards, NO PRIDE. Clean environment most of the latter could not spell the words, never mind understand their meaning.......So much also for the BILLIONS in Britain spent on so called EDUCATION. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Wed 5 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Very well said Grafter.
Very well said Grafter. David Lacey
  • Score: 0

11:22pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Joanne2410 says...

This is about little minded people who take no pride in where they live, or think it's fine to dump litter where they visit! Same old 'someone else will clear it'. We all have a responsibility - I hate, it but I do pick my dogs poop up as a responsible dog owner it my job!
At the end of the day if everyone picked their own rubbish up this debate wouldn't be happening, and if parents educate their kids properly, as one day they will grow up and complain like this, yet they are the ones doing it now! It gets worse as the years go by, educate them now instead of them ruling their parents or better still bring in more support for children having children!
This is about little minded people who take no pride in where they live, or think it's fine to dump litter where they visit! Same old 'someone else will clear it'. We all have a responsibility - I hate, it but I do pick my dogs poop up as a responsible dog owner it my job! At the end of the day if everyone picked their own rubbish up this debate wouldn't be happening, and if parents educate their kids properly, as one day they will grow up and complain like this, yet they are the ones doing it now! It gets worse as the years go by, educate them now instead of them ruling their parents or better still bring in more support for children having children! Joanne2410
  • Score: 4

12:36pm Thu 6 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

Yes. More than once. And the next ban isn't far away I suspect. The Editor is kind to him because he likes a bit of comedy, but patience must be wearing thin.
Yes. More than once. And the next ban isn't far away I suspect. The Editor is kind to him because he likes a bit of comedy, but patience must be wearing thin. David Lacey
  • Score: 2

2:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

What we need is a complete overhaul of this 'abuse riddled free state benefit system'. The long term workshy should all be given 'brushes and shovels' and by law made to brush our streets and clean up filthy fly tipping and litter in order to WORK and EARN their 'British Free State Dole/Housing and Welfare Benefits' For once these people should be putting something INTO their community instead of Free Take, Take, Take.. They have similar systems already in place in many other countries and Why not here ?.....in bone idle 'state benefit (with some not all) dependent Britain.
What we need is a complete overhaul of this 'abuse riddled free state benefit system'. The long term workshy should all be given 'brushes and shovels' and by law made to brush our streets and clean up filthy fly tipping and litter in order to WORK and EARN their 'British Free State Dole/Housing and Welfare Benefits' For once these people should be putting something INTO their community instead of Free Take, Take, Take.. They have similar systems already in place in many other countries and Why not here ?.....in bone idle 'state benefit (with some not all) dependent Britain. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

1:49am Sat 8 Mar 14

Joanne2410 says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
What we need is a complete overhaul of this 'abuse riddled free state benefit system'. The long term workshy should all be given 'brushes and shovels' and by law made to brush our streets and clean up filthy fly tipping and litter in order to WORK and EARN their 'British Free State Dole/Housing and Welfare Benefits' For once these people should be putting something INTO their community instead of Free Take, Take, Take.. They have similar systems already in place in many other countries and Why not here ?.....in bone idle 'state benefit (with some not all) dependent Britain.
I completely agree! This has been my point all along! The people who get up and go to work to pay and save for what they can and still live on the bread line, whilst others class 'pay day' as being when their benefits go into their bank- really winds me up - pay day for what? Having a lie in, watching Jeremy Kyle, dropping litter cos someone gets paid to pick it up so why not throw it? Any job is better than no job if not join the forces, nobody is too good to do a job; be it cleaning toilets, grave digging or shelf stacking - if it weren't for these people the chain would break and public toilets would close, graves wouldn't be dug n shops would be empty! Think about it, it makes sense!
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: What we need is a complete overhaul of this 'abuse riddled free state benefit system'. The long term workshy should all be given 'brushes and shovels' and by law made to brush our streets and clean up filthy fly tipping and litter in order to WORK and EARN their 'British Free State Dole/Housing and Welfare Benefits' For once these people should be putting something INTO their community instead of Free Take, Take, Take.. They have similar systems already in place in many other countries and Why not here ?.....in bone idle 'state benefit (with some not all) dependent Britain.[/p][/quote]I completely agree! This has been my point all along! The people who get up and go to work to pay and save for what they can and still live on the bread line, whilst others class 'pay day' as being when their benefits go into their bank- really winds me up - pay day for what? Having a lie in, watching Jeremy Kyle, dropping litter cos someone gets paid to pick it up so why not throw it? Any job is better than no job if not join the forces, nobody is too good to do a job; be it cleaning toilets, grave digging or shelf stacking - if it weren't for these people the chain would break and public toilets would close, graves wouldn't be dug n shops would be empty! Think about it, it makes sense! Joanne2410
  • Score: 1

11:37am Sun 9 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

Some very fair comment, for ***decades Britain has spurned a 'free benefit council and welfare provided,, free British state 'learned' dependent 'bone idle workshy so called underclass', many who have never 'worked or earned a penny in their British nanny State lives'. You have scruffy, at least ' semi fit' people, in their twenties lying (by choice) begging on pavements and some not all, getting free food parcels. You cannot tell me that they cannot afford to buy (or borrow) a bar of soap and find a few hours work a month, never mind a week.. Even if it is EARNING A LIVING setting up a 'Pedestrian Paying- Shoe -Stand Service', and polishing shoes of pedestrians which they do in many European Towns and Cities. (On reflection, particularly in free benefit culture Britain, it means DOING and EARNING some aspect of 'paid-work' and would beyond their workshy culture learned dignity). Excuse the punt but it shockingly 'beggars any belief' when the working 'Mug' British Taxpayer has to fork out Millions for this idle lot, who always want 'other peoples hard earned money for free' but do not one jot of honest graft.
Some very fair comment, for ***decades Britain has spurned a 'free benefit council and welfare provided,, free British state 'learned' dependent 'bone idle workshy so called underclass', many who have never 'worked or earned a penny in their British nanny State lives'. You have scruffy, at least ' semi fit' people, in their twenties lying (by choice) begging on pavements and some not all, getting free food parcels. You cannot tell me that they cannot afford to buy (or borrow) a bar of soap and find a few hours work a month, never mind a week.. Even if it is EARNING A LIVING setting up a 'Pedestrian Paying- Shoe -Stand Service', and polishing shoes of pedestrians which they do in many European Towns and Cities. (On reflection, particularly in free benefit culture Britain, it means DOING and EARNING some aspect of 'paid-work' and would beyond their workshy culture learned dignity). Excuse the punt but it shockingly 'beggars any belief' when the working 'Mug' British Taxpayer has to fork out Millions for this idle lot, who always want 'other peoples hard earned money for free' but do not one jot of honest graft. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

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