New Bishop of Durham challenges church to 'expect growth' at Durham Cathedral enthronement

Bishop Paul Butler

Bishop Paul Butler

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THE new Bishop of Durham challenged the church to leave behind a mindset of decline or maintaining the status quo and expect growth as he was enthroned this morning.

The Right Reverend Paul Butler told a packed Durham Cathedral: “We need to look to God to keep His promises that when the seed of the Kingdom is scattered, it will grow.”

Re-stating his three priorities of tackling poverty, engaging with children and young people and growing the church, he urged his audience not to “underestimate the small”, whether that meant a child, a project or a congregation.

Growth would not always mean more numbers in church, he said, but added: “Although it’s more likely when we engage with communities than when we try to be a holy club.”

Earlier, Bishop Butler had processed to the Cathedral from nearby Durham Castle, before, following tradition, knocking on the north door with a staff to request entry.

In a two-hour service which mixed centuries-old tradition and modern songs, the former Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham made a series of promises, was enthroned in his bishop’s seat and was presented with the Bishop of Durham’s pastoral staff.

Next week, he will hold three prayer days in the Durham Diocese’s three archdeaconries: Durham, Auckland and Sunderland.

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2:47pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Mike2012 says...

Request to the good old bishop and his bishop friends please, stay in your church and keep your nose out of Politics! NO, people don't need more benefits and the bedroom tax HAD to happen.

Thankyou.
Request to the good old bishop and his bishop friends please, stay in your church and keep your nose out of Politics! NO, people don't need more benefits and the bedroom tax HAD to happen. Thankyou. Mike2012
  • Score: -4

4:34pm Sat 22 Feb 14

sineater says...

Politics are everywhere in life,someone has to defend poor people who can't fight back Benefits have been cut to far, hence the increase in food banks,it's the government who should back off and stop attacking people who don't deserve this punishment.
Politics are everywhere in life,someone has to defend poor people who can't fight back Benefits have been cut to far, hence the increase in food banks,it's the government who should back off and stop attacking people who don't deserve this punishment. sineater
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Mike2012 says...

I'm sorry, but I beg to differ, benefits are enough as they are (granted, 'barely' enough), it's the living wage which is too low, I see it all around me everyday where I live in the town. Just find it really annoying when religion (99% of the time, the Catholic Church) gets involved in politics, get your own house in order first before sticking your nose into where it's not welcome.
I'm sorry, but I beg to differ, benefits are enough as they are (granted, 'barely' enough), it's the living wage which is too low, I see it all around me everyday where I live in the town. Just find it really annoying when religion (99% of the time, the Catholic Church) gets involved in politics, get your own house in order first before sticking your nose into where it's not welcome. Mike2012
  • Score: 5

6:10pm Sat 22 Feb 14

SemperSursum says...

Mike2012 wrote:
I'm sorry, but I beg to differ, benefits are enough as they are (granted, 'barely' enough), it's the living wage which is too low, I see it all around me everyday where I live in the town. Just find it really annoying when religion (99% of the time, the Catholic Church) gets involved in politics, get your own house in order first before sticking your nose into where it's not welcome.
So the church should keep its nose out of politics - does that mean closing all of the food banks its currently running?
[quote][p][bold]Mike2012[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry, but I beg to differ, benefits are enough as they are (granted, 'barely' enough), it's the living wage which is too low, I see it all around me everyday where I live in the town. Just find it really annoying when religion (99% of the time, the Catholic Church) gets involved in politics, get your own house in order first before sticking your nose into where it's not welcome.[/p][/quote]So the church should keep its nose out of politics - does that mean closing all of the food banks its currently running? SemperSursum
  • Score: 4

7:12pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Mike2012 says...

SemperSursum wrote:
Mike2012 wrote:
I'm sorry, but I beg to differ, benefits are enough as they are (granted, 'barely' enough), it's the living wage which is too low, I see it all around me everyday where I live in the town. Just find it really annoying when religion (99% of the time, the Catholic Church) gets involved in politics, get your own house in order first before sticking your nose into where it's not welcome.
So the church should keep its nose out of politics - does that mean closing all of the food banks its currently running?
No, keep them open, crumbs off the table from what the Catholic Church is worth.....

Why don't they sell their art collection, or sell some of their vast amounts of land to help the poor?

http://news.national
post.com/2013/03/08/
wealth-of-roman-cath
olic-church-impossib
le-to-calculate/
[quote][p][bold]SemperSursum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike2012[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry, but I beg to differ, benefits are enough as they are (granted, 'barely' enough), it's the living wage which is too low, I see it all around me everyday where I live in the town. Just find it really annoying when religion (99% of the time, the Catholic Church) gets involved in politics, get your own house in order first before sticking your nose into where it's not welcome.[/p][/quote]So the church should keep its nose out of politics - does that mean closing all of the food banks its currently running?[/p][/quote]No, keep them open, crumbs off the table from what the Catholic Church is worth..... Why don't they sell their art collection, or sell some of their vast amounts of land to help the poor? http://news.national post.com/2013/03/08/ wealth-of-roman-cath olic-church-impossib le-to-calculate/ Mike2012
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7:17pm Sat 22 Feb 14

sineater says...

Poliics is part of ev eryone life,and if a member of the clergy thinks something is wrong,especially when the chuch has to pick up the pieces ,as in helping run food banks they have a right to make their feelings known.Yes the living wage is to low,before some employers were paying rock bottom wages now they pay the mimmum they can get away with,hence low-paid workers using food banks.When disabled people,who's living costs are often higher because their health needs force them to keep their heating on when others are economising,and extra transport costs are high because of a lack of mobility They are having their benefits cut to that of a single able-bodied claimant,and a lot they are getting their housing b enefit cut because of the so called "bedroom tax",they cannot afford to live,and i'm afraid I don't care what you think,you are wrong,and the chuch,and all fair-minded people are right -end of.
Poliics is part of ev eryone life,and if a member of the clergy thinks something is wrong,especially when the chuch has to pick up the pieces ,as in helping run food banks they have a right to make their feelings known.Yes the living wage is to low,before some employers were paying rock bottom wages now they pay the mimmum they can get away with,hence low-paid workers using food banks.When disabled people,who's living costs are often higher because their health needs force them to keep their heating on when others are economising,and extra transport costs are high because of a lack of mobility They are having their benefits cut to that of a single able-bodied claimant,and a lot they are getting their housing b enefit cut because of the so called "bedroom tax",they cannot afford to live,and i'm afraid I don't care what you think,you are wrong,and the chuch,and all fair-minded people are right -end of. sineater
  • Score: -6

9:17pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Andyleigh says...

If he's expecting growth then he is in for a big disappointment. His religion is outdated and irrelevant.
If he's expecting growth then he is in for a big disappointment. His religion is outdated and irrelevant. Andyleigh
  • Score: 7

9:44pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Mike2012 says...

Andyleigh wrote:
If he's expecting growth then he is in for a big disappointment. His religion is outdated and irrelevant.
Totally agree!
[quote][p][bold]Andyleigh[/bold] wrote: If he's expecting growth then he is in for a big disappointment. His religion is outdated and irrelevant.[/p][/quote]Totally agree! Mike2012
  • Score: 4

10:40pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Got Ya says...

You cannot divorce religion from politics.........jus
t look at that prat Cameron these last few weeks, thinking he was God and trying to walk on water!
You cannot divorce religion from politics.........jus t look at that prat Cameron these last few weeks, thinking he was God and trying to walk on water! Got Ya
  • Score: 0

7:59am Sun 23 Feb 14

darloboss says...

one of his 3 priorities engaging with children and young people

might have put that a bit better
one of his 3 priorities engaging with children and young people might have put that a bit better darloboss
  • Score: 3

9:12am Sun 23 Feb 14

Jan Van-Winkel says...

Whilst l am supportive of a system of benefits and in agreement that a minimum wage should be set at a reasonable level; I do object to funding a lifestyle above that of my own out of my legally earned wage.

To clarify, I am not labelling anyone, as has been prevalent on this site, just stating that - in my opinion - any sustainable sysyem of benefits should provide short-term assistance to facilitate people back into a position where they too can contribute to it and subsequently provide for those who come after them. It cannot, in itself, be considered a career option.

And, for the record, I have been on both sides of the fence.
Whilst l am supportive of a system of benefits and in agreement that a minimum wage should be set at a reasonable level; I do object to funding a lifestyle above that of my own out of my legally earned wage. To clarify, I am not labelling anyone, as has been prevalent on this site, just stating that - in my opinion - any sustainable sysyem of benefits should provide short-term assistance to facilitate people back into a position where they too can contribute to it and subsequently provide for those who come after them. It cannot, in itself, be considered a career option. And, for the record, I have been on both sides of the fence. Jan Van-Winkel
  • Score: 3

9:30am Sun 23 Feb 14

Copley23 says...

So on the same day that the Law Lords threw out the food bank debate (well done), this little gem appears....

The founder of one of the country’s leading food banks declared yesterday that soaring demand for the free handouts has nothing to do with benefit cuts.
Robin Aitken spoke out the day after 27 Anglican bishops claimed that benefit cuts had led to many going hungry, and that as a result 500,000 people have used food banks since last Easter.
The bishops and 42 clergymen, supported by Archbishop of Canterbury the Most Reverend Justin Welby, said that more than half the people using food banks had been put in that position by welfare cutbacks or failures in the benefits system.
But Mr Aitken said there was no evidence to back such a claim.
He said: ‘If you provide a service, people will use it.
‘They will go and get good food. Of course they will.’

And that's coming from the boss.
So on the same day that the Law Lords threw out the food bank debate (well done), this little gem appears.... The founder of one of the country’s leading food banks declared yesterday that soaring demand for the free handouts has nothing to do with benefit cuts. Robin Aitken spoke out the day after 27 Anglican bishops claimed that benefit cuts had led to many going hungry, and that as a result 500,000 people have used food banks since last Easter. The bishops and 42 clergymen, supported by Archbishop of Canterbury the Most Reverend Justin Welby, said that more than half the people using food banks had been put in that position by welfare cutbacks or failures in the benefits system. But Mr Aitken said there was no evidence to back such a claim. He said: ‘If you provide a service, people will use it. ‘They will go and get good food. Of course they will.’ And that's coming from the boss. Copley23
  • Score: 6

9:31am Sun 23 Feb 14

Copley23 says...

Copley23 wrote:
So on the same day that the Law Lords threw out the food bank debate (well done), this little gem appears....

The founder of one of the country’s leading food banks declared yesterday that soaring demand for the free handouts has nothing to do with benefit cuts.
Robin Aitken spoke out the day after 27 Anglican bishops claimed that benefit cuts had led to many going hungry, and that as a result 500,000 people have used food banks since last Easter.
The bishops and 42 clergymen, supported by Archbishop of Canterbury the Most Reverend Justin Welby, said that more than half the people using food banks had been put in that position by welfare cutbacks or failures in the benefits system.
But Mr Aitken said there was no evidence to back such a claim.
He said: ‘If you provide a service, people will use it.
‘They will go and get good food. Of course they will.’

And that's coming from the boss.
Sorry - that was meant to read 'the bedroom tax debate, not the food bank debate. Apologies, it's still early :-/
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: So on the same day that the Law Lords threw out the food bank debate (well done), this little gem appears.... The founder of one of the country’s leading food banks declared yesterday that soaring demand for the free handouts has nothing to do with benefit cuts. Robin Aitken spoke out the day after 27 Anglican bishops claimed that benefit cuts had led to many going hungry, and that as a result 500,000 people have used food banks since last Easter. The bishops and 42 clergymen, supported by Archbishop of Canterbury the Most Reverend Justin Welby, said that more than half the people using food banks had been put in that position by welfare cutbacks or failures in the benefits system. But Mr Aitken said there was no evidence to back such a claim. He said: ‘If you provide a service, people will use it. ‘They will go and get good food. Of course they will.’ And that's coming from the boss.[/p][/quote]Sorry - that was meant to read 'the bedroom tax debate, not the food bank debate. Apologies, it's still early :-/ Copley23
  • Score: 0

9:47am Sun 23 Feb 14

st-george1 says...

ENGAGING with CHILDREN in the Catholic Church is a priority says he … what a poor choice of words by such a prominent North East churchman … let’s hope the Government will see through this holier-than-thou remark and do what is necessary !
ENGAGING with CHILDREN in the Catholic Church is a priority says he … what a poor choice of words by such a prominent North East churchman … let’s hope the Government will see through this holier-than-thou remark and do what is necessary ! st-george1
  • Score: 2

11:35am Sun 23 Feb 14

rat man says...

Got Ya wrote:
You cannot divorce religion from politics.........jus

t look at that prat Cameron these last few weeks, thinking he was God and trying to walk on water!
Well at least walking on water would be easier than trying to fight the biggest force of nature in 250 years, caused by climate change, caused in turn by emerging manufacturing nations such as India and China, who don't give a toss about the environment or our endangered species (e.g. The almost extinct Forest Elephant), or human rights. So Mr Miliband, please don't lecture us about green issues; talk to the Chinese, if we are unlucky enough to have you and your ilk returned to power, and see what response you get.
[quote][p][bold]Got Ya[/bold] wrote: You cannot divorce religion from politics.........jus t look at that prat Cameron these last few weeks, thinking he was God and trying to walk on water![/p][/quote]Well at least walking on water would be easier than trying to fight the biggest force of nature in 250 years, caused by climate change, caused in turn by emerging manufacturing nations such as India and China, who don't give a toss about the environment or our endangered species (e.g. The almost extinct Forest Elephant), or human rights. So Mr Miliband, please don't lecture us about green issues; talk to the Chinese, if we are unlucky enough to have you and your ilk returned to power, and see what response you get. rat man
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Sun 23 Feb 14

sineater says...

Jan You object to people getting more in benefits than working people,you have never been able to get more on benefits than workers. Benefits were geared to the average wage, iff you were unlucky to have an employer that underpaid staff,or iff you had a private landlord who over charged for properties he rented to people,is the only times people on benefits got more .
Jan You object to people getting more in benefits than working people,you have never been able to get more on benefits than workers. Benefits were geared to the average wage, iff you were unlucky to have an employer that underpaid staff,or iff you had a private landlord who over charged for properties he rented to people,is the only times people on benefits got more . sineater
  • Score: -5

1:00pm Sun 23 Feb 14

sineater says...

Copely ,Once again I will explain again for the hard of thinking,i don't care how you interperated what he said,the fact is you can't use a food bank with out referral,iff you have no income and no benefits coming in you need help from food banks -end of .Some disabled people are waiting up to a year to regain benefits they should not have lost in the first place, new claimants wait for 6 weeks or more,so how do they survive with out help ?
Copely ,Once again I will explain again for the hard of thinking,i don't care how you interperated what he said,the fact is you can't use a food bank with out referral,iff you have no income and no benefits coming in you need help from food banks -end of .Some disabled people are waiting up to a year to regain benefits they should not have lost in the first place, new claimants wait for 6 weeks or more,so how do they survive with out help ? sineater
  • Score: -2

2:24pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Colcat says...

Commentators are banging on and on about the Catholic Church and how wealthy it is, yet the word "Catholic" is not mentioned once in the article for the simple reason that it refers to the Church of England. Were you never taught about Henry VIII at school?
Commentators are banging on and on about the Catholic Church and how wealthy it is, yet the word "Catholic" is not mentioned once in the article for the simple reason that it refers to the Church of England. Were you never taught about Henry VIII at school? Colcat
  • Score: 1

2:25pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Colcat says...

(Although the CoE is still the possessor of £billions!)
(Although the CoE is still the possessor of £billions!) Colcat
  • Score: 4

3:12pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Colcat says...

I have a friend who lives in Seattle, and regularly posts links to (often major news) articles about the Republicans, also known as the 'Grand Old Party' (GOP) and time and time again I am shocked at how outrageously bigoted, small minded, anti intelligence (more than 1/3 of the population deny the possibility of Darwinian evolution and believe it should not be taught in schools) and downright selfish they are. This is typified by the recent trouble over Obama-care - essentially they object to people who are ill receiving any medical treatment if they are unable to pay for it themselves!

They say that everything that happens in the US always ends up in Britain, and throughout the last 40 years I've seen that it's generally the case. Yet I always thought that politically we were more "reasonable" (for want of a better word) than those 'over the pond', mainly because our political system seems to be based more around the centre of politics, whereas the US system has both sides based further to the right. I am not a communist by any stretch of the imagination, tending to be more centrally biased. Yet I see in comments made on here opinions being expressed that quite frankly amaze me at their similarity to the GOP. These people would rather throw 999 people into such poverty that they can't even afford to eat rather than let one person get away with scrounging! They would rather have THOUSANDS of people die than let some others get away with playing the system! (From the Express website, which has, with the exception of the 2001 general election, when it backed the Labour Party, declared its support for the Conservative Party at every general election since World War II.): "The real fundamental issue is this: how can it be justified to pursue, with such insensitive rigour, 1.6 million claimants on incapacity benefit at a rate of 11,000 assessments every week when it has led - according to the Government's own figures - to 1,300 persons dying after being put into the work-related activity group, 2,200 people dying before their assessment was completed and 7,100 people dying after being put into the support group?)" With figures put at 32 people a WEEK dying after failing the tests for the new Incapacity Benefit, I ask myself this: How the hell can people be so self-centred, self-serving and downright uncaring as to object when the Church of England speaks out because of the effects of the policies of the present government that are happening to a portion of the population that need the most help!?! And this is coming from an atheist and anti-theist! Quite frankly, those who hold this opinion should be ashamed of themselves.
I have a friend who lives in Seattle, and regularly posts links to (often major news) articles about the Republicans, also known as the 'Grand Old Party' (GOP) and time and time again I am shocked at how outrageously bigoted, small minded, anti intelligence (more than 1/3 of the population deny the possibility of Darwinian evolution and believe it should not be taught in schools) and downright selfish they are. This is typified by the recent trouble over Obama-care - essentially they object to people who are ill receiving any medical treatment if they are unable to pay for it themselves! They say that everything that happens in the US always ends up in Britain, and throughout the last 40 years I've seen that it's generally the case. Yet I always thought that politically we were more "reasonable" (for want of a better word) than those 'over the pond', mainly because our political system seems to be based more around the centre of politics, whereas the US system has both sides based further to the right. I am not a communist by any stretch of the imagination, tending to be more centrally biased. Yet I see in comments made on here opinions being expressed that quite frankly amaze me at their similarity to the GOP. These people would rather throw 999 people into such poverty that they can't even afford to eat rather than let one person get away with scrounging! They would rather have THOUSANDS of people die than let some others get away with playing the system! (From the Express website, which has, with the exception of the 2001 general election, when it backed the Labour Party, declared its support for the Conservative Party at every general election since World War II.): "The real fundamental issue is this: how can it be justified to pursue, with such insensitive rigour, 1.6 million claimants on incapacity benefit at a rate of 11,000 assessments every week when it has led - according to the Government's own figures - to 1,300 persons dying after being put into the work-related activity group, 2,200 people dying before their assessment was completed and 7,100 people dying after being put into the support group?)" With figures put at 32 people a WEEK dying after failing the tests for the new Incapacity Benefit, I ask myself this: How the hell can people be so self-centred, self-serving and downright uncaring as to object when the Church of England speaks out because of the effects of the policies of the present government that are happening to a portion of the population that need the most help!?! And this is coming from an atheist and anti-theist! Quite frankly, those who hold this opinion should be ashamed of themselves. Colcat
  • Score: 3

4:20pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Jan Van-Winkel says...

Sineater:

Capping benefits at £26,000 is roughly equivalent to a taxable earning of £32,500. Are you suggesting that is the average wage in the UK?
Sineater: Capping benefits at £26,000 is roughly equivalent to a taxable earning of £32,500. Are you suggesting that is the average wage in the UK? Jan Van-Winkel
  • Score: 3

5:38pm Sun 23 Feb 14

sineater says...

No I was stating the fact that you have never been able to get more than the average wage,the only time people get anywhere near £20+ thousand in benefits ,is when people were housed in private tenancies where private landlords boosted rents on purpose knowing the tenants would have the rent paid by the d.w.p..Most claimants get less than half of the £26 k cap. The cap was set taking into the account of the sky-high rents charged b y private landlords in London. Of course the tories allowed it to seem everyone on benefits were getting these sums of money,it helped in their campaign to dismantle the welfare system,and some people won't realise what is happening till it's to late .
No I was stating the fact that you have never been able to get more than the average wage,the only time people get anywhere near £20+ thousand in benefits ,is when people were housed in private tenancies where private landlords boosted rents on purpose knowing the tenants would have the rent paid by the d.w.p..Most claimants get less than half of the £26 k cap. The cap was set taking into the account of the sky-high rents charged b y private landlords in London. Of course the tories allowed it to seem everyone on benefits were getting these sums of money,it helped in their campaign to dismantle the welfare system,and some people won't realise what is happening till it's to late . sineater
  • Score: 0

10:38pm Fri 28 Feb 14

spragger says...

Someone needs to hold him to account over this shopping list.
Too many of the CofE are out of touch with most people in this country.
Rowan Williams & now Welby are a disaster for this country
Someone needs to hold him to account over this shopping list. Too many of the CofE are out of touch with most people in this country. Rowan Williams & now Welby are a disaster for this country spragger
  • Score: 0

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