Budget meeting moved to larger venue to encourage public to attend... and no one turns up

The Northern Echo: MEETING MOVED: Councillor Heather Scott called the decision to hold the meeting in the Dolphin Centre a 'waste of time and resources' MEETING MOVED: Councillor Heather Scott called the decision to hold the meeting in the Dolphin Centre a 'waste of time and resources'

COUNCIL chiefs have been criticised for switching a meeting about millions of pounds in spending cuts to a larger venue – only for it to be shunned by the public.

Darlington Borough Council’s cabinet approved the draft medium term financial plan, setting out the authority’s financial commitments over the next six years, at a special meeting on Tuesday (February 18).

The cabinet usually meets in a small committee room in the Town Hall.

Tuesday’s meeting was held in the much larger Central Hall, in the Dolphin Centre, to allow members of the public to attend and comment on the budget.

Rows and rows of seats were laid out, the majority of which were left empty.

Those that were filled were taken by senior council officers, as well as opposition councillors and trade union officials.

Councillor Heather Scott, leader of the opposing Conservative group, attended the meeting.

Speaking afterwards, she called the venue change a ‘waste of time and resources’.

She said: “Had there been much publicity to encourage people to come along?

“At a time when we are trying to save money, how much must it have cost in staff time to set up the room in the Dolphin Centre?

“It just seems a complete waste of time and resources.”

Council leader Bill Dixon said the change of venue was ‘the right thing to do’, with the council having previously held budget consultation events in Central Hall.

Addressing the largely empty hall, he said: “This looks like overkill, but we did say in the consultations that we would come back to Central Hall.”

The budget – which includes a council tax rise of 1.94 per cent for 2014/15 and the potential for similar increases up to and including 2019/20 – will be discussed by the full council later this month, when it is expected to be rubber-stamped.

Coun Dixon said: “This is one of the worst budgets we could possibly have been visited with – particularly unfair are the discrepancies are the discrepancies between the north and south of this country.

“If this continues, in my view, local government in the North does not have a realistic future – quite what we would replace it with, I am not sure.”

Coun Dixon stressed the council’s responsibility to pass a ‘credible, sane and legal’ budget or risk running out of money mid-way through the year.

The full council meets on February 27, at 6pm, at the Town Hall.

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6:46pm Tue 18 Feb 14

oliviaden6 says...

Can you blame the public for not turning up! When they do the people offer comment are sumerrially dismissed. personally I would turn up if I thought anything I said would be listened to or even acted upon. This council is just going through the motions. What is going to happen will happen like it or not. Bill and his Buddies win what ever fat pay packets fat pensions and tuck the public up on the way to the bank. DISGRACEFUL
Can you blame the public for not turning up! When they do the people offer comment are sumerrially dismissed. personally I would turn up if I thought anything I said would be listened to or even acted upon. This council is just going through the motions. What is going to happen will happen like it or not. Bill and his Buddies win what ever fat pay packets fat pensions and tuck the public up on the way to the bank. DISGRACEFUL oliviaden6

8:37pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Davy Crocket says...

We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then? Davy Crocket

9:11pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Border Terrier says...

The general public are totally p****d off with main stream politicians, never mind this totally undemocratic waste of spaces. They should be boycotted all the time. Time for a massive change with new faces.
The general public are totally p****d off with main stream politicians, never mind this totally undemocratic waste of spaces. They should be boycotted all the time. Time for a massive change with new faces. Border Terrier

9:19pm Tue 18 Feb 14

loan_star says...

Chances are it was for show anyway, no doubt if anyone wanted to question Dixon and his buddies they would have had to put it in writing 3 months earlier to stand a chance of being given the opportunity to speak.
It was interesting looking at Dixons Facebook page the other day, the council was being slated by all and sundry over the Stonebridge roundabout fiasco and yet Dixon only commented on a question on when the works were due to start, ignoring the rest of the comments. Typical politician with his head up his backside.
Chances are it was for show anyway, no doubt if anyone wanted to question Dixon and his buddies they would have had to put it in writing 3 months earlier to stand a chance of being given the opportunity to speak. It was interesting looking at Dixons Facebook page the other day, the council was being slated by all and sundry over the Stonebridge roundabout fiasco and yet Dixon only commented on a question on when the works were due to start, ignoring the rest of the comments. Typical politician with his head up his backside. loan_star

9:30pm Tue 18 Feb 14

stevegg says...

Dont they get it! The public have lost all confidence in the council heirachy who only pay us lip service because they are obliged to. They always have had there own agenda regardless of what we think and treat us with contempt. They only view us as cash cows to milk to the maximum to fund their lavish salaries/expenses/pe
nsions and grandious schemes to justify their existence. The public have no faith in you anymore.
Dont they get it! The public have lost all confidence in the council heirachy who only pay us lip service because they are obliged to. They always have had there own agenda regardless of what we think and treat us with contempt. They only view us as cash cows to milk to the maximum to fund their lavish salaries/expenses/pe nsions and grandious schemes to justify their existence. The public have no faith in you anymore. stevegg

9:38pm Tue 18 Feb 14

capt manners says...

Why don't these councillors say something constructive instead of looking for any reason to criticise the other party.
I am sick of hearing these children bickering and most of these seem to be the conservative ones!!!!
Why don't these councillors say something constructive instead of looking for any reason to criticise the other party. I am sick of hearing these children bickering and most of these seem to be the conservative ones!!!! capt manners

4:56am Wed 19 Feb 14

BMD says...

loan_star wrote:
Chances are it was for show anyway, no doubt if anyone wanted to question Dixon and his buddies they would have had to put it in writing 3 months earlier to stand a chance of being given the opportunity to speak. It was interesting looking at Dixons Facebook page the other day, the council was being slated by all and sundry over the Stonebridge roundabout fiasco and yet Dixon only commented on a question on when the works were due to start, ignoring the rest of the comments. Typical politician with his head up his backside.
Bill Dixon has a Facebook page!!!!

How many friends does he have?
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: Chances are it was for show anyway, no doubt if anyone wanted to question Dixon and his buddies they would have had to put it in writing 3 months earlier to stand a chance of being given the opportunity to speak. It was interesting looking at Dixons Facebook page the other day, the council was being slated by all and sundry over the Stonebridge roundabout fiasco and yet Dixon only commented on a question on when the works were due to start, ignoring the rest of the comments. Typical politician with his head up his backside.[/p][/quote]Bill Dixon has a Facebook page!!!! How many friends does he have? BMD

8:15am Wed 19 Feb 14

maw.si says...

If Joe public are not happy with their local council they have the power to remove them through a vote of no confidence.But like the most people in the UK we all like a good moan about everything but when push comes to shove we go back into our shells and do nothing.
If Joe public are not happy with their local council they have the power to remove them through a vote of no confidence.But like the most people in the UK we all like a good moan about everything but when push comes to shove we go back into our shells and do nothing. maw.si

9:48am Wed 19 Feb 14

oliviaden6 says...

maw.si wrote:
If Joe public are not happy with their local council they have the power to remove them through a vote of no confidence.But like the most people in the UK we all like a good moan about everything but when push comes to shove we go back into our shells and do nothing.
Ok we have the power to remove them! Just how is it done? I guess that it would be a fools errand looking at the historical voting patterns of Darlington.
Putting politics to one side the current administration is dire and yes it needs removing, but i guess we shall just have to put up with it for another 16 months or so and pray then something will change.
[quote][p][bold]maw.si[/bold] wrote: If Joe public are not happy with their local council they have the power to remove them through a vote of no confidence.But like the most people in the UK we all like a good moan about everything but when push comes to shove we go back into our shells and do nothing.[/p][/quote]Ok we have the power to remove them! Just how is it done? I guess that it would be a fools errand looking at the historical voting patterns of Darlington. Putting politics to one side the current administration is dire and yes it needs removing, but i guess we shall just have to put up with it for another 16 months or so and pray then something will change. oliviaden6

10:33am Wed 19 Feb 14

miketually says...

Davy Crocket wrote:
We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
Things cost more now than they did in 1997...
[quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?[/p][/quote]Things cost more now than they did in 1997... miketually

11:45am Wed 19 Feb 14

kevlad says...

Those seats that were filled were taken by senior council officers, as well as opposition councillors and trade union officials
yep and all most prob getting paid for being there,nobody turning up should get the message across that the people of darlington cannot bare to be in the same room as these people.
Those seats that were filled were taken by senior council officers, as well as opposition councillors and trade union officials yep and all most prob getting paid for being there,nobody turning up should get the message across that the people of darlington cannot bare to be in the same room as these people. kevlad

11:49am Wed 19 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
Davy Crocket wrote:
We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
Things cost more now than they did in 1997...
RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?[/p][/quote]Things cost more now than they did in 1997...[/p][/quote]RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap Homshaw1

1:13pm Wed 19 Feb 14

miketually says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
Davy Crocket wrote:
We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
Things cost more now than they did in 1997...
RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap
Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes?

Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?[/p][/quote]Things cost more now than they did in 1997...[/p][/quote]RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap[/p][/quote]Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes? Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham? miketually

2:14pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Lifetime Townie says...

Border Terrier wrote:
The general public are totally p****d off with main stream politicians, never mind this totally undemocratic waste of spaces. They should be boycotted all the time. Time for a massive change with new faces.
Time for changes, I would agree but there is no Con/Lib opposition to Labour policies. They gave up years ago!
[quote][p][bold]Border Terrier[/bold] wrote: The general public are totally p****d off with main stream politicians, never mind this totally undemocratic waste of spaces. They should be boycotted all the time. Time for a massive change with new faces.[/p][/quote]Time for changes, I would agree but there is no Con/Lib opposition to Labour policies. They gave up years ago! Lifetime Townie

4:06pm Wed 19 Feb 14

MAGPIES12 says...

THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE THE EXISTING FACILITIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ON ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN
ie email the internet face book etc especially email and texts
you can ask questions and get answers responses from hundreds of people at a stroke
i can get evbery councillors email
and send them all the same question or comment simultaneously
they can do the same ..the same can be done with texts
and its way way cheaper than having meetings in expensive venues etc
ARE YOU LISTENING COUNCILL
THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE THE EXISTING FACILITIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ON ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN ie email the internet face book etc especially email and texts you can ask questions and get answers responses from hundreds of people at a stroke i can get evbery councillors email and send them all the same question or comment simultaneously they can do the same ..the same can be done with texts and its way way cheaper than having meetings in expensive venues etc ARE YOU LISTENING COUNCILL MAGPIES12

7:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

miketually says...

banmeandilljustregis
teragainwithanewuser
name
wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
Davy Crocket wrote:
We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
Things cost more now than they did in 1997...
RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap
Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes?

Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?
Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both.

Take your pick.
You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before.

For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago.
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?[/p][/quote]Things cost more now than they did in 1997...[/p][/quote]RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap[/p][/quote]Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes? Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?[/p][/quote]Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both. Take your pick.[/p][/quote]You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before. For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago. miketually

7:58pm Wed 19 Feb 14

miketually says...

MAGPIES12 wrote:
THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE THE EXISTING FACILITIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ON ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN
ie email the internet face book etc especially email and texts
you can ask questions and get answers responses from hundreds of people at a stroke
i can get evbery councillors email
and send them all the same question or comment simultaneously
they can do the same ..the same can be done with texts
and its way way cheaper than having meetings in expensive venues etc
ARE YOU LISTENING COUNCILL
They can, and do, use these. The budget proposals were available online, and were advertised via Facebook and the like.
[quote][p][bold]MAGPIES12[/bold] wrote: THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE THE EXISTING FACILITIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ON ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN ie email the internet face book etc especially email and texts you can ask questions and get answers responses from hundreds of people at a stroke i can get evbery councillors email and send them all the same question or comment simultaneously they can do the same ..the same can be done with texts and its way way cheaper than having meetings in expensive venues etc ARE YOU LISTENING COUNCILL[/p][/quote]They can, and do, use these. The budget proposals were available online, and were advertised via Facebook and the like. miketually

8:23pm Wed 19 Feb 14

miketually says...

banmeandilljustregis
teragainwithanewuser
name
wrote:
miketually wrote:
banmeandilljustregis


teragainwithanewuser


name
wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
Davy Crocket wrote:
We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
Things cost more now than they did in 1997...
RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap
Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes?

Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?
Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both.

Take your pick.
You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before.

For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago.
You can't have a reasonable discussion with a blinkered council stooge.

It's impossible.
I've not actually seen you try. Why not try it: I've said that Darlington Council Tax is lower than other local councils. That's a pretty easy one to counter.

Or, are you going to trot out the idea that I'm some sort of secret council employee again? :)
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?[/p][/quote]Things cost more now than they did in 1997...[/p][/quote]RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap[/p][/quote]Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes? Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?[/p][/quote]Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both. Take your pick.[/p][/quote]You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before. For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago.[/p][/quote]You can't have a reasonable discussion with a blinkered council stooge. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]I've not actually seen you try. Why not try it: I've said that Darlington Council Tax is lower than other local councils. That's a pretty easy one to counter. Or, are you going to trot out the idea that I'm some sort of secret council employee again? :) miketually

8:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Maybe if we still lived in some sort of apparent Democracy and those in power carried out the wishes of the electorate, who pay their wages, then people would turn up.
Political point scoring and arguing over what the last Government did wrong looks pathetic. We've had enough of you all. We want honesty.
Maybe if we still lived in some sort of apparent Democracy and those in power carried out the wishes of the electorate, who pay their wages, then people would turn up. Political point scoring and arguing over what the last Government did wrong looks pathetic. We've had enough of you all. We want honesty. Jonn

1:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

miketually says...

banmeandilljustregis
teragainwithanewuser
name
wrote:
miketually wrote:
banmeandilljustregis


teragainwithanewuser


name
wrote:
miketually wrote:
banmeandilljustregis




teragainwithanewuser




name
wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
Davy Crocket wrote:
We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
Things cost more now than they did in 1997...
RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap
Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes?

Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?
Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both.

Take your pick.
You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before.

For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago.
You can't have a reasonable discussion with a blinkered council stooge.

It's impossible.
I've not actually seen you try. Why not try it: I've said that Darlington Council Tax is lower than other local councils. That's a pretty easy one to counter.

Or, are you going to trot out the idea that I'm some sort of secret council employee again? :)
If the cap fits.
That's a "no" then?
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?[/p][/quote]Things cost more now than they did in 1997...[/p][/quote]RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap[/p][/quote]Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes? Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?[/p][/quote]Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both. Take your pick.[/p][/quote]You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before. For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago.[/p][/quote]You can't have a reasonable discussion with a blinkered council stooge. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]I've not actually seen you try. Why not try it: I've said that Darlington Council Tax is lower than other local councils. That's a pretty easy one to counter. Or, are you going to trot out the idea that I'm some sort of secret council employee again? :)[/p][/quote]If the cap fits.[/p][/quote]That's a "no" then? miketually

2:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

miketually wrote:
MAGPIES12 wrote:
THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE THE EXISTING FACILITIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ON ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN
ie email the internet face book etc especially email and texts
you can ask questions and get answers responses from hundreds of people at a stroke
i can get evbery councillors email
and send them all the same question or comment simultaneously
they can do the same ..the same can be done with texts
and its way way cheaper than having meetings in expensive venues etc
ARE YOU LISTENING COUNCILL
They can, and do, use these. The budget proposals were available online, and were advertised via Facebook and the like.
They just don't like using them, having public meetings means they have an excuse to claim extra income as expenses.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAGPIES12[/bold] wrote: THE COUNCIL SHOULD USE THE EXISTING FACILITIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ON ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN ie email the internet face book etc especially email and texts you can ask questions and get answers responses from hundreds of people at a stroke i can get evbery councillors email and send them all the same question or comment simultaneously they can do the same ..the same can be done with texts and its way way cheaper than having meetings in expensive venues etc ARE YOU LISTENING COUNCILL[/p][/quote]They can, and do, use these. The budget proposals were available online, and were advertised via Facebook and the like.[/p][/quote]They just don't like using them, having public meetings means they have an excuse to claim extra income as expenses. MartinMo

11:57am Fri 21 Feb 14

Rosvanian says...

miketually wrote:
banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name wrote:
miketually wrote:
banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
Davy Crocket wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?
Things cost more now than they did in 1997...
RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap
Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes? Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?
Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both. Take your pick.
You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before. For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago.
You can't have a reasonable discussion with a blinkered council stooge. It's impossible.
I've not actually seen you try. Why not try it: I've said that Darlington Council Tax is lower than other local councils. That's a pretty easy one to counter. Or, are you going to trot out the idea that I'm some sort of secret council employee again? :)
Secret Council Employee!

Let's face it mate, the majority of the serial posters on here would have still found a reason to rant and rave even if the council had agreed to meet them personally in their own front room and each councillor paid them for the privilege of doing so out of their own pocket. And as usual, one suspects that those who shout the loudest are basing their opinions on a loose grasp of reality - who needs facts when you're mind is made up and the only information you seek is that which confirms your pre-formed opinions?
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis teragainwithanewuser name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: We need to ask why council tax has increased nearly 100% since 1997 and ask why that happened. Just what do we need to spend all the money on now that we didn't back then?[/p][/quote]Things cost more now than they did in 1997...[/p][/quote]RPI is up by about 60% so there is a big gap[/p][/quote]Yeah, I did some sums and found inflation to be about 60% since then. That's based on a particular set of purchases though, which I assume won't match the kind of things the council mainly spends on? Plus, Council Tax isn't the only income for the council, so they may need to make up for a short fall elsewhere through higher council taxes? Darlington's band D is £60 a year less than County Durham; I wonder if the increases seen since 97 seem high because they've been trying to make up for them being set too low when splitting from County Durham?[/p][/quote]Anyone who believes that Council Taxes are 'low' is a delusional fool, or just plain stupid, or both. Take your pick.[/p][/quote]You're back to name-calling again... You know that doesn't lead to rational discussion, right? Though, I guess that's why your account's been banned from here before. For what it's worth, I didn't say Council Tax was low, I said it was lower than others in the region and could have been too low (relative to others) years ago.[/p][/quote]You can't have a reasonable discussion with a blinkered council stooge. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]I've not actually seen you try. Why not try it: I've said that Darlington Council Tax is lower than other local councils. That's a pretty easy one to counter. Or, are you going to trot out the idea that I'm some sort of secret council employee again? :)[/p][/quote]Secret Council Employee! Let's face it mate, the majority of the serial posters on here would have still found a reason to rant and rave even if the council had agreed to meet them personally in their own front room and each councillor paid them for the privilege of doing so out of their own pocket. And as usual, one suspects that those who shout the loudest are basing their opinions on a loose grasp of reality - who needs facts when you're mind is made up and the only information you seek is that which confirms your pre-formed opinions? Rosvanian

12:12pm Fri 21 Feb 14

miketually says...

:)
:) miketually

11:31pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Spy Boy says...

I've been to meetings of the council and have found them to totally ineffectual. The Council listen to questions looking totally bored. Ada Burns hides in a corner next to a security man and Bill Dixon waffles on until you just can't be bothered to listen any more. At the end of it all, they just do what they were always going to do anyway. No wonder that no one even bothers any more. It shows that their strategy of alienating the voters is working. We really need some new faces running the council.
I've been to meetings of the council and have found them to totally ineffectual. The Council listen to questions looking totally bored. Ada Burns hides in a corner next to a security man and Bill Dixon waffles on until you just can't be bothered to listen any more. At the end of it all, they just do what they were always going to do anyway. No wonder that no one even bothers any more. It shows that their strategy of alienating the voters is working. We really need some new faces running the council. Spy Boy

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