Durham council set for first tax rise in five years, as Labour considers 1.99 per cent hike

The Northern Echo: Durham County Council leader Simon Henig Durham County Council leader Simon Henig

THE North-East’s biggest local authority is set to raise council tax for the first time in five years, as austerity cuts continue to bite.

Labour chiefs at Durham County Council are pushing for a 1.99 per cent hike – the maximum allowed before a costly local referendum is triggered.

That would raise around £3.29m, helping to lessen the impact of the £23m of savings facing the council in the year ahead. The authority expects to have cut £113.9m since 2011 by the end of this financial year – but another £110.1m will be needed over the next three years.

The council has already cut leisure centres, library opening hours and home-to-school transport and is looking at closing more care homes.

It is expected 1,950 jobs will have been lost by March next year.

Last week, Conservative leader Richard Bell called on Labour to accept the Government’s offer of a council tax freeze grant worth £2.04m – the equivalent of a one per cent rise.

But Simon Henig, the council’s Labour leader, said the grant expected councils to foot part of the bill.

A 1.99 per cent rise would mean Band A householders paying an extra 33p a week for their council services.

Meanwhile, council house rents would go up on average 4.62 per cent, or £3.03 per week; and garage rents would go up by 3.2 per cent.

Liberal Democrats have called for a council tax freeze. The Tories and Independents are yet to announce alternative proposals.

Labour’s budget includes £262m of investment, including £30.2m for highways improvements and major projects across Durham City, Bishop Auckland, Peterlee, Seaham, Stanley, Crook and Spennymoor.

There would be £1.3m more for winter maintenance and a pioneering Local Council Tax Support Scheme would be extended, meaning no working-age council tax benefit claimant would see their payment reduced until spring 2015 at the earliest.

Councillor Henig said: “We are maintaining a very significant focus on investment across the county which aims to boost local economies and create jobs.

“This support remains essential to safeguard our economic future.”

The Labour cabinet will agree its proposals next Wednesday (February 12) before the council sets its budget on Wednesday, February 26.

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5:06pm Tue 4 Feb 14

roaduser98 says...

Quote:
Labour chiefs at Durham County Council are pushing for a 1.99 per cent hike – the maximum allowed before a costly local referendum is triggered.
What a set of spineless clowns running Durham County Council. What are they afraid of regarding holding a referendum on this tax increase? Why not give the residents of County Durham an opportunity to be consulted on whether this money is required or not??
Quote: Labour chiefs at Durham County Council are pushing for a 1.99 per cent hike – the maximum allowed before a costly local referendum is triggered. What a set of spineless clowns running Durham County Council. What are they afraid of regarding holding a referendum on this tax increase? Why not give the residents of County Durham an opportunity to be consulted on whether this money is required or not?? roaduser98

5:11pm Tue 4 Feb 14

roaduser98 says...

Quote:
Labour’s budget includes £262m of investment, including £30.2m for highways improvements and major projects across Durham City, Bishop Auckland, Peterlee, Seaham, Stanley, Crook and Spennymoor.
As it cost £5 million to finish off the road works at Thinford, £30 million is gonna go nowhere to improve a much neglected road network. Sunken drain covers, potholes everywhere and no sign of any. The roundabout at Thinford is an absolute waste of tax payers money. Totally unnecessary and along with the sponsor a roundabout signs which have just appeared.
Quote: Labour’s budget includes £262m of investment, including £30.2m for highways improvements and major projects across Durham City, Bishop Auckland, Peterlee, Seaham, Stanley, Crook and Spennymoor. As it cost £5 million to finish off the road works at Thinford, £30 million is gonna go nowhere to improve a much neglected road network. Sunken drain covers, potholes everywhere and no sign of any. The roundabout at Thinford is an absolute waste of tax payers money. Totally unnecessary and along with the sponsor a roundabout signs which have just appeared. roaduser98

5:14pm Tue 4 Feb 14

sleeping dragon says...

if they did not have so many managers, supervisors.etc on over the top wages there would be no need for a council tax rise
if they did not have so many managers, supervisors.etc on over the top wages there would be no need for a council tax rise sleeping dragon

5:44pm Tue 4 Feb 14

youcantdenythetruth says...

Thieving toerags. They don't deserve what they get now.

Masters of waste and inefficiency.
Thieving toerags. They don't deserve what they get now. Masters of waste and inefficiency. youcantdenythetruth

5:49pm Tue 4 Feb 14

youcantdenythetruth says...

roaduser98 wrote:
Quote:
Labour’s budget includes £262m of investment, including £30.2m for highways improvements and major projects across Durham City, Bishop Auckland, Peterlee, Seaham, Stanley, Crook and Spennymoor.
As it cost £5 million to finish off the road works at Thinford, £30 million is gonna go nowhere to improve a much neglected road network. Sunken drain covers, potholes everywhere and no sign of any. The roundabout at Thinford is an absolute waste of tax payers money. Totally unnecessary and along with the sponsor a roundabout signs which have just appeared.
We here in Darlington are afflicted with the same thing. A woeful roundabout on Haughton Road which was massively over run and over budget, and the idiots in our beloved council are about to embark on a whole new waste of money with the inner ring road earmarked for 'IMPROVEMENTS'.

It's nothing short of a sick joke and a complete waste of our money. They all need sacking.
[quote][p][bold]roaduser98[/bold] wrote: Quote: Labour’s budget includes £262m of investment, including £30.2m for highways improvements and major projects across Durham City, Bishop Auckland, Peterlee, Seaham, Stanley, Crook and Spennymoor. As it cost £5 million to finish off the road works at Thinford, £30 million is gonna go nowhere to improve a much neglected road network. Sunken drain covers, potholes everywhere and no sign of any. The roundabout at Thinford is an absolute waste of tax payers money. Totally unnecessary and along with the sponsor a roundabout signs which have just appeared.[/p][/quote]We here in Darlington are afflicted with the same thing. A woeful roundabout on Haughton Road which was massively over run and over budget, and the idiots in our beloved council are about to embark on a whole new waste of money with the inner ring road earmarked for 'IMPROVEMENTS'. It's nothing short of a sick joke and a complete waste of our money. They all need sacking. youcantdenythetruth

5:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

behonest says...

An increase of 2% in council tax will trigger a referendum. So what do the Labour council chiefs propose? An increase of 1.99%!

Is anyone really surprised, at the way this underhand Labour council treats council tax payers with such contempt? They want to impose the maximum tax increase that they can get away with, without even having to bother asking local people first.
An increase of 2% in council tax will trigger a referendum. So what do the Labour council chiefs propose? An increase of 1.99%! Is anyone really surprised, at the way this underhand Labour council treats council tax payers with such contempt? They want to impose the maximum tax increase that they can get away with, without even having to bother asking local people first. behonest

6:47pm Tue 4 Feb 14

tolpuddlemartyr1955 says...

Remember this at the next county council elections!
Remember this at the next county council elections! tolpuddlemartyr1955

6:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

joedarlo45 says...

I come under Durham County Council for my rates....A increase of only 1.99% will be about a extra £35 a year for me...and the total will be only 200 ish of a 2000 a year bill...which I find is not very easy to afford.....and I am sure I am not in a minority..surely the council understands what there electorate are going through in this current economic climate???
Lets have no increase for another year!!!!
I come under Durham County Council for my rates....A increase of only 1.99% will be about a extra £35 a year for me...and the total will be only 200 ish of a 2000 a year bill...which I find is not very easy to afford.....and I am sure I am not in a minority..surely the council understands what there electorate are going through in this current economic climate??? Lets have no increase for another year!!!! joedarlo45

7:03pm Tue 4 Feb 14

stevegg says...

5 years without a rise, think yourselves lucky! We in Darlington have had no respite whatsoever and have had council tax rises at the maximum they can get away with without triggering a referenderum. Our labour council are totally inept, incompetant, self serving and dont give a t.o.s.s. what the public think as long as they can continue to milk taxpayers for every penny they can. And after 4 years of austerity they have barely scratched the surface with internal effeciency savings1
5 years without a rise, think yourselves lucky! We in Darlington have had no respite whatsoever and have had council tax rises at the maximum they can get away with without triggering a referenderum. Our labour council are totally inept, incompetant, self serving and dont give a t.o.s.s. what the public think as long as they can continue to milk taxpayers for every penny they can. And after 4 years of austerity they have barely scratched the surface with internal effeciency savings1 stevegg

8:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

roaduser98 says...

joedarlo45 wrote:
I come under Durham County Council for my rates....A increase of only 1.99% will be about a extra £35 a year for me...and the total will be only 200 ish of a 2000 a year bill...which I find is not very easy to afford.....and I am sure I am not in a minority..surely the council understands what there electorate are going through in this current economic climate???
Lets have no increase for another year!!!!
This is a very good reason for the council to have a referendum (expensive so what!!). Where else could you claim to act on behalf of the electorate then sloping shoulders because the local government want to blame the national government for the fracas we have to put up with. Voting for the local elections will not solve anything. The same cronies will get elected if they had a monkey on their head. What it needs is for the so called electorate to abstain from voting at all, for anyone. What is the difference between non representation (no vote) and (voting) the same bunch of Labour spend happy County Councillors. They and the council senior management appear to live in a totally different world to the ordinary tax payer, who is expected to pay for everyone's mistakes as well as their own. Never mind a consultancy will soon be appointed (on a fantastic remuneration) to handle all the flack that this proposed increase may generate. Maybe i've got it all wrong? In North Yorks County Council (pensioners) residents have suggested they pay a small amount for their bus travel instead of the free bus pass. Mainly because the council have threatened to withdraw the financial support given to bus operators who run services which do not pay enough to the bus company to provide them.
[quote][p][bold]joedarlo45[/bold] wrote: I come under Durham County Council for my rates....A increase of only 1.99% will be about a extra £35 a year for me...and the total will be only 200 ish of a 2000 a year bill...which I find is not very easy to afford.....and I am sure I am not in a minority..surely the council understands what there electorate are going through in this current economic climate??? Lets have no increase for another year!!!![/p][/quote]This is a very good reason for the council to have a referendum (expensive so what!!). Where else could you claim to act on behalf of the electorate then sloping shoulders because the local government want to blame the national government for the fracas we have to put up with. Voting for the local elections will not solve anything. The same cronies will get elected if they had a monkey on their head. What it needs is for the so called electorate to abstain from voting at all, for anyone. What is the difference between non representation (no vote) and (voting) the same bunch of Labour spend happy County Councillors. They and the council senior management appear to live in a totally different world to the ordinary tax payer, who is expected to pay for everyone's mistakes as well as their own. Never mind a consultancy will soon be appointed (on a fantastic remuneration) to handle all the flack that this proposed increase may generate. Maybe i've got it all wrong? In North Yorks County Council (pensioners) residents have suggested they pay a small amount for their bus travel instead of the free bus pass. Mainly because the council have threatened to withdraw the financial support given to bus operators who run services which do not pay enough to the bus company to provide them. roaduser98

10:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Luther95 says...

behonest wrote:
An increase of 2% in council tax will trigger a referendum. So what do the Labour council chiefs propose? An increase of 1.99%!

Is anyone really surprised, at the way this underhand Labour council treats council tax payers with such contempt? They want to impose the maximum tax increase that they can get away with, without even having to bother asking local people first.
Funny how Westminster imposes referenda on local councils seeking a Council Tax increase of just 2%, but never suggests nationwide ballots regarding VAT, National Insurance, Income Tax and the like.

A referendum for Durham County Council would cost upwards of £2 million to administer - but can only generate one year's worth of increase. The Coalition designed it this way to make referenda even more unattractive.

In reality, the Coalition is only interested in throttling the life out of local government, especially here in the North East. That's an ideological drive to destroy services that we all rely on - not just highways and refuse, but services for pensioners, disabled people and vulnerable children too.
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: An increase of 2% in council tax will trigger a referendum. So what do the Labour council chiefs propose? An increase of 1.99%! Is anyone really surprised, at the way this underhand Labour council treats council tax payers with such contempt? They want to impose the maximum tax increase that they can get away with, without even having to bother asking local people first.[/p][/quote]Funny how Westminster imposes referenda on local councils seeking a Council Tax increase of just 2%, but never suggests nationwide ballots regarding VAT, National Insurance, Income Tax and the like. A referendum for Durham County Council would cost upwards of £2 million to administer - but can only generate one year's worth of increase. The Coalition designed it this way to make referenda even more unattractive. In reality, the Coalition is only interested in throttling the life out of local government, especially here in the North East. That's an ideological drive to destroy services that we all rely on - not just highways and refuse, but services for pensioners, disabled people and vulnerable children too. Luther95

9:49am Wed 5 Feb 14

David Lacey says...

All bar one are complaining. But guess what? next elections, Labour will be returned with a massive majority. Why? Could it be that a significant number of voters don't pay council tax? Either exempt or avoid it. I'd love to see the figures.
All bar one are complaining. But guess what? next elections, Labour will be returned with a massive majority. Why? Could it be that a significant number of voters don't pay council tax? Either exempt or avoid it. I'd love to see the figures. David Lacey

9:26pm Wed 5 Feb 14

sineater says...

I'm afraid you are wrong David ,low paid workers,even the unemployed pay council tax now,never mind. Meanwhile the government waste £900,000 on a free school with hardly any pupils because there is spare capacity in school places in durham. But of course when it is tories wasting money it doesn't count doesn 't it ? The council has had £1000 million in cuts,and it will have to make another similar amount of cuts,yet that is not enough for some is it .
I'm afraid you are wrong David ,low paid workers,even the unemployed pay council tax now,never mind. Meanwhile the government waste £900,000 on a free school with hardly any pupils because there is spare capacity in school places in durham. But of course when it is tories wasting money it doesn't count doesn 't it ? The council has had £1000 million in cuts,and it will have to make another similar amount of cuts,yet that is not enough for some is it . sineater

7:03pm Thu 6 Feb 14

roaduser98 says...

Heres good news for the County Council!
New house development is proposed at Sedgefield near to Eden Drive for 415 dwellings with ten per cent made available as affordable housing. How generous!
As part of the deal DCC is in line to receive a New Homes Bonus of £4 million It also promises to create construction jobs and a multi million pound BOOST to the local economy. Needless to state that the whole charade is being handled by consultants (on behalf of the Diocese) who will disappear as soon as the problems with this development become apparent.They will have worked hard for the remuneration and no doubt have a clause for a bonus if it gets the go ahead. Thats Planning for you!!
Heres good news for the County Council! New house development is proposed at Sedgefield near to Eden Drive for 415 dwellings with ten per cent made available as affordable housing. How generous! As part of the deal DCC is in line to receive a New Homes Bonus of £4 million It also promises to create construction jobs and a multi million pound BOOST to the local economy. Needless to state that the whole charade is being handled by consultants (on behalf of the Diocese) who will disappear as soon as the problems with this development become apparent.They will have worked hard for the remuneration and no doubt have a clause for a bonus if it gets the go ahead. Thats Planning for you!! roaduser98

10:58am Fri 7 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
I'm afraid you are wrong David ,low paid workers,even the unemployed pay council tax now,never mind. Meanwhile the government waste £900,000 on a free school with hardly any pupils because there is spare capacity in school places in durham. But of course when it is tories wasting money it doesn't count doesn 't it ? The council has had £1000 million in cuts,and it will have to make another similar amount of cuts,yet that is not enough for some is it .
You are half right here, low paid workers do pay council, however the council tax bill raised against the unemployed claiming housing benefit is also picked up by the benefit system, therefore also paid by the working tax payer.

As for the 1.99% increase, can we expect to see an increase in services. Presently in my area of residence we only seem to get the weekly refuse collection, is this service going to be vastly improved?

Problem is the country is so screwed at present there is not fix without upseting people.

Lets cut services and benefits lessening the drain on the economical pot, saving millions. This means those who rely on these handouts are up in arms.

Other choice is to increase tax levels which affects the working class (depremental affect on the lower level working class). My personal point of view is that if I am taxed anymore then I would be better off benefits.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: I'm afraid you are wrong David ,low paid workers,even the unemployed pay council tax now,never mind. Meanwhile the government waste £900,000 on a free school with hardly any pupils because there is spare capacity in school places in durham. But of course when it is tories wasting money it doesn't count doesn 't it ? The council has had £1000 million in cuts,and it will have to make another similar amount of cuts,yet that is not enough for some is it .[/p][/quote]You are half right here, low paid workers do pay council, however the council tax bill raised against the unemployed claiming housing benefit is also picked up by the benefit system, therefore also paid by the working tax payer. As for the 1.99% increase, can we expect to see an increase in services. Presently in my area of residence we only seem to get the weekly refuse collection, is this service going to be vastly improved? Problem is the country is so screwed at present there is not fix without upseting people. Lets cut services and benefits lessening the drain on the economical pot, saving millions. This means those who rely on these handouts are up in arms. Other choice is to increase tax levels which affects the working class (depremental affect on the lower level working class). My personal point of view is that if I am taxed anymore then I would be better off benefits. MartinMo

3:30pm Fri 7 Feb 14

behonest says...

Luther95 wrote:
behonest wrote:
An increase of 2% in council tax will trigger a referendum. So what do the Labour council chiefs propose? An increase of 1.99%!

Is anyone really surprised, at the way this underhand Labour council treats council tax payers with such contempt? They want to impose the maximum tax increase that they can get away with, without even having to bother asking local people first.
Funny how Westminster imposes referenda on local councils seeking a Council Tax increase of just 2%, but never suggests nationwide ballots regarding VAT, National Insurance, Income Tax and the like.

A referendum for Durham County Council would cost upwards of £2 million to administer - but can only generate one year's worth of increase. The Coalition designed it this way to make referenda even more unattractive.

In reality, the Coalition is only interested in throttling the life out of local government, especially here in the North East. That's an ideological drive to destroy services that we all rely on - not just highways and refuse, but services for pensioners, disabled people and vulnerable children too.
You sound a bit paranoid; do you really think the government is deliberately wanting to 'destroy services' for the elderly, disabled and, phrase of the moment, 'vulnerable children'? And they particularly want to destroy them in the North East? Come on.

Personally, I think the cap is because they sussed that people were sick to death of constant inflation-busting council tax increases every year under Labour (council tax doubled under the last Labour government) and they decided to make all councils more accountable to local people, for the taxes they impose upon them.

And, of course, we don't all rely on the services you mention. And council chiefs still get paid more then the P.M. and no councillor allowances or numbers have been reduced. There's more they can do in-house, but, like you, they'll go for the sympathy card by quoting pensioners, disabled, vulnerable, etc. It just doesn't wash anymore!
[quote][p][bold]Luther95[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: An increase of 2% in council tax will trigger a referendum. So what do the Labour council chiefs propose? An increase of 1.99%! Is anyone really surprised, at the way this underhand Labour council treats council tax payers with such contempt? They want to impose the maximum tax increase that they can get away with, without even having to bother asking local people first.[/p][/quote]Funny how Westminster imposes referenda on local councils seeking a Council Tax increase of just 2%, but never suggests nationwide ballots regarding VAT, National Insurance, Income Tax and the like. A referendum for Durham County Council would cost upwards of £2 million to administer - but can only generate one year's worth of increase. The Coalition designed it this way to make referenda even more unattractive. In reality, the Coalition is only interested in throttling the life out of local government, especially here in the North East. That's an ideological drive to destroy services that we all rely on - not just highways and refuse, but services for pensioners, disabled people and vulnerable children too.[/p][/quote]You sound a bit paranoid; do you really think the government is deliberately wanting to 'destroy services' for the elderly, disabled and, phrase of the moment, 'vulnerable children'? And they particularly want to destroy them in the North East? Come on. Personally, I think the cap is because they sussed that people were sick to death of constant inflation-busting council tax increases every year under Labour (council tax doubled under the last Labour government) and they decided to make all councils more accountable to local people, for the taxes they impose upon them. And, of course, we don't all rely on the services you mention. And council chiefs still get paid more then the P.M. and no councillor allowances or numbers have been reduced. There's more they can do in-house, but, like you, they'll go for the sympathy card by quoting pensioners, disabled, vulnerable, etc. It just doesn't wash anymore! behonest

5:25pm Fri 7 Feb 14

roaduser98 says...

Quote:
Funny how Westminster imposes referenda on local councils seeking a Council Tax increase of just 2%, but never suggests nationwide ballots regarding VAT, National Insurance, Income Tax and the like.

Next year is apparently the time to make an impression on the Westminster government. A nationwide ballot is being held and here in Durham it will be the same crowd of Labour luvvies who will get the majority of votes, ensuring the continued spend, spend, culture. Apathy reigns supreme here in la la land of prince bishops. Maybe R Brand has a point. Why vote at all if the same cronies are elected not on past performance but by default? The same applies to Lib Dems and the conservatives who are deselecting one of their elected member of parliament.
Quote: Funny how Westminster imposes referenda on local councils seeking a Council Tax increase of just 2%, but never suggests nationwide ballots regarding VAT, National Insurance, Income Tax and the like. Next year is apparently the time to make an impression on the Westminster government. A nationwide ballot is being held and here in Durham it will be the same crowd of Labour luvvies who will get the majority of votes, ensuring the continued spend, spend, culture. Apathy reigns supreme here in la la land of prince bishops. Maybe R Brand has a point. Why vote at all if the same cronies are elected not on past performance but by default? The same applies to Lib Dems and the conservatives who are deselecting one of their elected member of parliament. roaduser98

6:01pm Fri 7 Feb 14

sineater says...

Martinmo, Iff you think you would be better off on b enefits,be my guest,you may find out different. About unemployed paying council tax and rent ,yes I know it comes out of the tax people paid when they were working,but it still has the effect of reducing their spending power,which one of the reasons for the increase in food banks. Now you will say but I don't want to go on benefits because I am a hard working tax payer,well lets have no more about your predicament ,some people like telling everyone about their problems ,but won't do anything about it,it's what is known as survival,iff you play by the rules ,you get eaten. Politicians still keep their benefits ,only they call them "expenses",yet put everybody else into hardship,the people who run the country ,and the economy are all bent .
Martinmo, Iff you think you would be better off on b enefits,be my guest,you may find out different. About unemployed paying council tax and rent ,yes I know it comes out of the tax people paid when they were working,but it still has the effect of reducing their spending power,which one of the reasons for the increase in food banks. Now you will say but I don't want to go on benefits because I am a hard working tax payer,well lets have no more about your predicament ,some people like telling everyone about their problems ,but won't do anything about it,it's what is known as survival,iff you play by the rules ,you get eaten. Politicians still keep their benefits ,only they call them "expenses",yet put everybody else into hardship,the people who run the country ,and the economy are all bent . sineater

6:21pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mod says...

David Lacey wrote:
All bar one are complaining. But guess what? next elections, Labour will be returned with a massive majority. Why? Could it be that a significant number of voters don't pay council tax? Either exempt or avoid it. I'd love to see the figures.
The Council are doing their upmost to ensure those who pay little or no council tax are protected. These tend to be their hard core supporters so, as they say, "If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always be able to count on having Paul's support".
It would be really good investigative journalism if the Northern Echo asked Durham County Council for the percentage of households who do not pay the full council tax (under FOI).
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: All bar one are complaining. But guess what? next elections, Labour will be returned with a massive majority. Why? Could it be that a significant number of voters don't pay council tax? Either exempt or avoid it. I'd love to see the figures.[/p][/quote]The Council are doing their upmost to ensure those who pay little or no council tax are protected. These tend to be their hard core supporters so, as they say, "If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always be able to count on having Paul's support". It would be really good investigative journalism if the Northern Echo asked Durham County Council for the percentage of households who do not pay the full council tax (under FOI). Mod

9:46pm Fri 7 Feb 14

behonest says...

Mod wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
All bar one are complaining. But guess what? next elections, Labour will be returned with a massive majority. Why? Could it be that a significant number of voters don't pay council tax? Either exempt or avoid it. I'd love to see the figures.
The Council are doing their upmost to ensure those who pay little or no council tax are protected. These tend to be their hard core supporters so, as they say, "If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always be able to count on having Paul's support".
It would be really good investigative journalism if the Northern Echo asked Durham County Council for the percentage of households who do not pay the full council tax (under FOI).
This is a very good point. Why should Labour care about those paying high levels of council tax? Such people don't vote Labour anyway...
[quote][p][bold]Mod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: All bar one are complaining. But guess what? next elections, Labour will be returned with a massive majority. Why? Could it be that a significant number of voters don't pay council tax? Either exempt or avoid it. I'd love to see the figures.[/p][/quote]The Council are doing their upmost to ensure those who pay little or no council tax are protected. These tend to be their hard core supporters so, as they say, "If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always be able to count on having Paul's support". It would be really good investigative journalism if the Northern Echo asked Durham County Council for the percentage of households who do not pay the full council tax (under FOI).[/p][/quote]This is a very good point. Why should Labour care about those paying high levels of council tax? Such people don't vote Labour anyway... behonest

11:06pm Fri 7 Feb 14

behonest says...

And to the Echo, please get rid of that pathetic picture of Simon Henig! He looks like a right self-pitying t0sser!!
And to the Echo, please get rid of that pathetic picture of Simon Henig! He looks like a right self-pitying t0sser!! behonest

2:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

sineater says...

Self pitying t**ser,What like the non-labour voters whineing for something that will never happen,people who are constantly hammered by this government voting tory-dream on .
Self pitying t**ser,What like the non-labour voters whineing for something that will never happen,people who are constantly hammered by this government voting tory-dream on . sineater

11:28pm Sun 9 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

sineater wrote:
Self pitying t**ser,What like the non-labour voters whineing for something that will never happen,people who are constantly hammered by this government voting tory-dream on .
Labour are the worst of the all stop the expenses thats what i say
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Self pitying t**ser,What like the non-labour voters whineing for something that will never happen,people who are constantly hammered by this government voting tory-dream on .[/p][/quote]Labour are the worst of the all stop the expenses thats what i say DURHAM CITY

2:22pm Mon 10 Feb 14

sineater says...

Yes stop expences for councillors,mp's,and take back the £80 billion in bonesses that the bankers have paid themselves,nobody should get extra ,given the state of the country.But then again ,the tories say the economy is improving,thats iff you can believe anything they say .
Yes stop expences for councillors,mp's,and take back the £80 billion in bonesses that the bankers have paid themselves,nobody should get extra ,given the state of the country.But then again ,the tories say the economy is improving,thats iff you can believe anything they say . sineater

3:15pm Mon 10 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
Martinmo, Iff you think you would be better off on b enefits,be my guest,you may find out different. About unemployed paying council tax and rent ,yes I know it comes out of the tax people paid when they were working,but it still has the effect of reducing their spending power,which one of the reasons for the increase in food banks. Now you will say but I don't want to go on benefits because I am a hard working tax payer,well lets have no more about your predicament ,some people like telling everyone about their problems ,but won't do anything about it,it's what is known as survival,iff you play by the rules ,you get eaten. Politicians still keep their benefits ,only they call them "expenses",yet put everybody else into hardship,the people who run the country ,and the economy are all bent .
You really are a pleb at times.

Given my background / circumstances it was already worked out that although my annual income would be a lot less I would be better off by over £200 a month expendable income due to lowered expenses. Now reasons for not lowering my social status to that of a fresh water segmented blood sucking worm is:
1. I enjoy the fact that I am home owner, gives me something to pass onto my kids when I'm gone.
2. I don't want to raise my kids on the over generosity of the nations benefit nanny system.
3. I want to be respected as a working class constructive member of society and not looked down upon as milangering good for nothing drain on the system.

As for your survival comment, that is almost laughable, you are not in charge of your own survival if you life only exists due to the handouts of others. Survivors stand on their own 2 feet and in what sense are you put into hardship. Every penny of benefits you receive, regardless of how little, is still an improvement on the sum of what you earnt, £0.00.

2 Classes of people in the nation, rich and poor. Each of those classes is split into 2 sub classes:

non working rich = so much money they no longer need to work
working rich = work for high level salaries

non working poor = no money.no job, for many no prospects, live on handouts.
working poor = low income, only people to suufer any real hardship from increased taxes.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Martinmo, Iff you think you would be better off on b enefits,be my guest,you may find out different. About unemployed paying council tax and rent ,yes I know it comes out of the tax people paid when they were working,but it still has the effect of reducing their spending power,which one of the reasons for the increase in food banks. Now you will say but I don't want to go on benefits because I am a hard working tax payer,well lets have no more about your predicament ,some people like telling everyone about their problems ,but won't do anything about it,it's what is known as survival,iff you play by the rules ,you get eaten. Politicians still keep their benefits ,only they call them "expenses",yet put everybody else into hardship,the people who run the country ,and the economy are all bent .[/p][/quote]You really are a pleb at times. Given my background / circumstances it was already worked out that although my annual income would be a lot less I would be better off by over £200 a month expendable income due to lowered expenses. Now reasons for not lowering my social status to that of a fresh water segmented blood sucking worm is: 1. I enjoy the fact that I am home owner, gives me something to pass onto my kids when I'm gone. 2. I don't want to raise my kids on the over generosity of the nations benefit nanny system. 3. I want to be respected as a working class constructive member of society and not looked down upon as milangering good for nothing drain on the system. As for your survival comment, that is almost laughable, you are not in charge of your own survival if you life only exists due to the handouts of others. Survivors stand on their own 2 feet and in what sense are you put into hardship. Every penny of benefits you receive, regardless of how little, is still an improvement on the sum of what you earnt, £0.00. 2 Classes of people in the nation, rich and poor. Each of those classes is split into 2 sub classes: non working rich = so much money they no longer need to work working rich = work for high level salaries non working poor = no money.no job, for many no prospects, live on handouts. working poor = low income, only people to suufer any real hardship from increased taxes. MartinMo

5:03pm Mon 10 Feb 14

DURHAM CITY says...

sineater wrote:
Yes stop expences for councillors,mp's,and take back the £80 billion in bonesses that the bankers have paid themselves,nobody should get extra ,given the state of the country.But then again ,the tories say the economy is improving,thats iff you can believe anything they say .
yeah but to be Fair ED the Duck and the other one could be making a bigger balls of the country if they were to run it god help us then loonyleft sorry i mean sineater
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Yes stop expences for councillors,mp's,and take back the £80 billion in bonesses that the bankers have paid themselves,nobody should get extra ,given the state of the country.But then again ,the tories say the economy is improving,thats iff you can believe anything they say .[/p][/quote]yeah but to be Fair ED the Duck and the other one could be making a bigger balls of the country if they were to run it god help us then loonyleft sorry i mean sineater DURHAM CITY

10:26pm Mon 10 Feb 14

spragger says...

Northern Councils know that the bulk who pay little or no tax will vote to spend other people s money
Often on pure waste & idiocy
Northern Councils know that the bulk who pay little or no tax will vote to spend other people s money Often on pure waste & idiocy spragger

3:02pm Tue 11 Feb 14

sineater says...

Yes D.C., but they would have to go some to catch up the the expensive mistakes ,that the banks continue to do !!,and the thinking mans contribution from Spragger, how can a man so educated ,come out with such stupid comments every time ?
Yes D.C., but they would have to go some to catch up the the expensive mistakes ,that the banks continue to do !!,and the thinking mans contribution from Spragger, how can a man so educated ,come out with such stupid comments every time ? sineater

3:08pm Tue 11 Feb 14

settheworldonfire says...

I LOVE THIS COUNTRY ....................
BUT FEEL LIKE DYING IN MY PINT OF LAGER TONIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE THIS COUNTRY .................... BUT FEEL LIKE DYING IN MY PINT OF LAGER TONIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! settheworldonfire

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