Stockton woman jailed over £70,000 benefit fraud

Jailed: Jillian Wilkinson

Jailed: Jillian Wilkinson

First published in News The Northern Echo: Photograph of the Author by

A BENEFITS cheat who pocketed more than £70,000 by claiming to be a single parent was yesterday (Wednesday, January 22) jailed for five months.

Married mother Jillian Wilkinson tried to dodge prison by saying her eight-year-old son would suffer if she was locked up.

But a judge at Teesside Crown Court told the 46-year-old that the often-used plea for mercy could not save her.

"Courts must send a message out that it is not acceptable in society," said Judge Michael Taylor. "You deprived others."

Wilkinson lied about living with her husband Abdulla Ali Ahmed at a house in Londonderry Road, Stockton, for eight years.

She claimed £71,500 in JobSeekers' Allowance, housing benefit and Council Tax relief before the scam was uncovered.

Despite a pile of evidence to show pizza shop owner Mr Ahmed was living with her and they were married, she continued to lie.

In five interviews with fraud-busters, Wilkinson denied being married and that she had helped in an asylum application.

Prosecutor James Kemp told the court that investigators found a marriage contract and wedding photographs.

Documents from car companies, an accountant, banks and insurance firms also contained Mr Ahmed's name and the address.

Duncan McReddie, mitigating, told Judge Taylor that Wilkinson suffered "an unusual, not to say sad childhood".

"It is perhaps because of that lack of certainty or stability in the past, she used this method to establish a family life."

He urged the judge to consider a "compassionate" suspended sentence so she could "take the role of a mother every eight-year-old child needs".

Judge Taylor told Wilkinson: "It was a huge amount of money . . . this went on for a substantial number of years.

"If you were a man, the submission made on your behalf for mercy could not even be made.

"It gives me no pleasure to send the mother of a young child to prison, but these offences are prevalent."

Wilkinson admitted two charges of failing to notify a chance in circumstances and one of fraud at an earlier hearing.

She sobbed as she was locked up, and her husband, who was in the public gallery, tried to speak to the judge, saying: "No, this is wrong."

The court heard how as well as Mr Ahmed working full-time, Wilkinson also had jobs as a cleaner and at take-away restaurants.

Judge Taylor said: "As is usually the case in these sorts of cases, it is a woman who makes the claim.

"Then the plea that is made on their behalf is that the person who will suffer the most is their child."

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7:16am Thu 23 Jan 14

stevegg says...

£71.5k and only 2 months in jail (as actual prison time will be half), no money to be repaid !!!!! Where is the justice in that after probably years of investigation also at huge cost to taxpayers. Why are these people never barred from claiming benefits for life?????
£71.5k and only 2 months in jail (as actual prison time will be half), no money to be repaid !!!!! Where is the justice in that after probably years of investigation also at huge cost to taxpayers. Why are these people never barred from claiming benefits for life????? stevegg
  • Score: 76

9:22am Thu 23 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Excellent comments above. But I'm puzzled - the lefties tell us that these people don't exist.
Excellent comments above. But I'm puzzled - the lefties tell us that these people don't exist. David Lacey
  • Score: 21

9:59am Thu 23 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

David Lacey wrote:
Excellent comments above. But I'm puzzled - the lefties tell us that these people don't exist.
Oh they know they exist David, but they excuse them on the basis that there are people that don't pay their full quota into the system that scumbags like this are stealing from!!
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Excellent comments above. But I'm puzzled - the lefties tell us that these people don't exist.[/p][/quote]Oh they know they exist David, but they excuse them on the basis that there are people that don't pay their full quota into the system that scumbags like this are stealing from!! Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 14

10:06am Thu 23 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Ah! Thanks TPH. Silly me!! So because we have multinational companies doing all they can to avoid paying UK business tax (but sticking rigidly to the rules in doing so) it's OK for people to falsify benefits claims and rob decent hard working people of their taxes. Makes perfect sense. If you've have your brain excavated.
Ah! Thanks TPH. Silly me!! So because we have multinational companies doing all they can to avoid paying UK business tax (but sticking rigidly to the rules in doing so) it's OK for people to falsify benefits claims and rob decent hard working people of their taxes. Makes perfect sense. If you've have your brain excavated. David Lacey
  • Score: 11

10:33am Thu 23 Jan 14

rat man says...

Applications are invited for the post of Benefit Fraudster.
Salary: £35,000 per month, tax free.
Successful applicant will be required to stay in four star hotel for period of two months. Meals and entertainment provided free!
Please form an orderly queue outside your local benefits office!
Applications are invited for the post of Benefit Fraudster. Salary: £35,000 per month, tax free. Successful applicant will be required to stay in four star hotel for period of two months. Meals and entertainment provided free! Please form an orderly queue outside your local benefits office! rat man
  • Score: 12

10:45am Thu 23 Jan 14

Mod says...

From the Judge's closing comment re, "As is usually the case in these sorts of cases, it is a woman who makes the claim...........etc etc", it would appear this is a well rehearsed defence that is used quite a lot.
I was always led to believe it was only a "tiny minority" who comitted benefit fraud.
From the Judge's closing comment re, "As is usually the case in these sorts of cases, it is a woman who makes the claim...........etc etc", it would appear this is a well rehearsed defence that is used quite a lot. I was always led to believe it was only a "tiny minority" who comitted benefit fraud. Mod
  • Score: 14

10:58am Thu 23 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

David Lacey wrote:
Ah! Thanks TPH. Silly me!! So because we have multinational companies doing all they can to avoid paying UK business tax (but sticking rigidly to the rules in doing so) it's OK for people to falsify benefits claims and rob decent hard working people of their taxes. Makes perfect sense. If you've have your brain excavated.
It's a strange old world!!

We had the Three Stooges, sorry Police & Crime Commissioners (all Labpur and Union funded through the election process I might add) saying that theft will increase directly because of cuts.

Then the following week some scumbag used 'he hadn't eaten in three days' as an excuse for breaking into a cafe and stealing cash, chocolate and camera. Unfortunately when the Northern Echo published his plight they closed the comments and failed to mention his two previous burglaries and past heroin addiction.

The left will excuse any type of behaviour as long as it serves their own purpose!!!
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Ah! Thanks TPH. Silly me!! So because we have multinational companies doing all they can to avoid paying UK business tax (but sticking rigidly to the rules in doing so) it's OK for people to falsify benefits claims and rob decent hard working people of their taxes. Makes perfect sense. If you've have your brain excavated.[/p][/quote]It's a strange old world!! We had the Three Stooges, sorry Police & Crime Commissioners (all Labpur and Union funded through the election process I might add) saying that theft will increase directly because of cuts. Then the following week some scumbag used 'he hadn't eaten in three days' as an excuse for breaking into a cafe and stealing cash, chocolate and camera. Unfortunately when the Northern Echo published his plight they closed the comments and failed to mention his two previous burglaries and past heroin addiction. The left will excuse any type of behaviour as long as it serves their own purpose!!! Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 9

11:10am Thu 23 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

David Lacey wrote:
Ah! Thanks TPH. Silly me!! So because we have multinational companies doing all they can to avoid paying UK business tax (but sticking rigidly to the rules in doing so) it's OK for people to falsify benefits claims and rob decent hard working people of their taxes. Makes perfect sense. If you've have your brain excavated.
I'll try and add this again, it got removed for some reason!!!

We had the Apologists, sorry Police & Crime Commissioners (all Labpur and Union funded through the election process I might add), saying that theft will increase directly because of cuts.

Then the following week someone used 'he hadn't eaten in three days' as an court defence for breaking into a cafe and stealing cash, chocolate and camera. Unfortunately when the Northern Echo published his plight they closed the comments and failed to mention his two previous burglaries and past heroin addiction.

The left will excuse any type of behaviour as long as it serves their own purpose!!!
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Ah! Thanks TPH. Silly me!! So because we have multinational companies doing all they can to avoid paying UK business tax (but sticking rigidly to the rules in doing so) it's OK for people to falsify benefits claims and rob decent hard working people of their taxes. Makes perfect sense. If you've have your brain excavated.[/p][/quote]I'll try and add this again, it got removed for some reason!!! We had the Apologists, sorry Police & Crime Commissioners (all Labpur and Union funded through the election process I might add), saying that theft will increase directly because of cuts. Then the following week someone used 'he hadn't eaten in three days' as an court defence for breaking into a cafe and stealing cash, chocolate and camera. Unfortunately when the Northern Echo published his plight they closed the comments and failed to mention his two previous burglaries and past heroin addiction. The left will excuse any type of behaviour as long as it serves their own purpose!!! Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 0

11:11am Thu 23 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Wait, it's back now
Wait, it's back now Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Thu 23 Jan 14

punkrocker says...

jailed but will be out after only 6 weeks max they now only serve upto a quarter in many cases. however a tory recently claimed for us tax payers to fund his electricity bill for his stables and no sack or jail for this fiddling mp. double standards
jailed but will be out after only 6 weeks max they now only serve upto a quarter in many cases. however a tory recently claimed for us tax payers to fund his electricity bill for his stables and no sack or jail for this fiddling mp. double standards punkrocker
  • Score: 11

2:08pm Thu 23 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

He didn't break the law. Although he's a disgusting creep for doing so. She DID break the law. Spot the difference punk?
He didn't break the law. Although he's a disgusting creep for doing so. She DID break the law. Spot the difference punk? David Lacey
  • Score: 6

2:41pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Copley23 says...

Punk.....she robbed the tax-payer too......that's 2 YEARS of my full time pay....I can't imagine how many years of my tax contribution it would add up to!

That's not double standards, it's the SAME THING!

Durrr.....
Punk.....she robbed the tax-payer too......that's 2 YEARS of my full time pay....I can't imagine how many years of my tax contribution it would add up to! That's not double standards, it's the SAME THING! Durrr..... Copley23
  • Score: 12

4:43pm Thu 23 Jan 14

behonest says...

The only thing I'd say - on the issue of double standards - is that the Labour MP Margaret Moran stole almost the same amount from the taxpayer, yet she was allowed to walk away scot-free. On account of 'mental health issues'.
The only thing I'd say - on the issue of double standards - is that the Labour MP Margaret Moran stole almost the same amount from the taxpayer, yet she was allowed to walk away scot-free. On account of 'mental health issues'. behonest
  • Score: 16

6:42pm Thu 23 Jan 14

punkrocker says...

the tory mp was also robbing the tax payer when fiddling his expenses but like the tax dodging rich is let off to find other fiddles.
the tory mp was also robbing the tax payer when fiddling his expenses but like the tax dodging rich is let off to find other fiddles. punkrocker
  • Score: 8

9:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

rat man says...

I agree entirely with the words of her husband when she was sentenced. "No, this is all wrong." She should have got five years, and ordered to pay all the money back. Seize the assets of the pizza shop, I say!
I agree entirely with the words of her husband when she was sentenced. "No, this is all wrong." She should have got five years, and ordered to pay all the money back. Seize the assets of the pizza shop, I say! rat man
  • Score: 15

2:13pm Fri 24 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Punk - only 6 MPs have been found guilty of fraud and banged up in jail. There are all Labour. Get it?
Punk - only 6 MPs have been found guilty of fraud and banged up in jail. There are all Labour. Get it? David Lacey
  • Score: 4

2:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

sineater says...

And some people are rich enough to buy their way out of the courts like tory mp's and tax evaders David,get it !!!
And some people are rich enough to buy their way out of the courts like tory mp's and tax evaders David,get it !!! sineater
  • Score: -6

2:36pm Fri 24 Jan 14

sineater says...

T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!
T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!! sineater
  • Score: -11

3:18pm Fri 24 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Apparently Loopy thinks that the Courts can be bribed.
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God help him.
Apparently Loopy thinks that the Courts can be bribed. . God help him. David Lacey
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Fri 24 Jan 14

theartistformallyknownasoutragedofmiltonkeynes says...

The problem is not ordinary working people who find themselves out of work through no fault of their own and needing help, the problem lies very squarely at the feet of mud people like the one in this story. She lives in an area where having a job is the exception not the norm and it is not through lack of employment opportunities but laziness. And thats the end of it. 3rd generation benefit scroungers will be the undoing of this country.
The problem is not ordinary working people who find themselves out of work through no fault of their own and needing help, the problem lies very squarely at the feet of mud people like the one in this story. She lives in an area where having a job is the exception not the norm and it is not through lack of employment opportunities but laziness. And thats the end of it. 3rd generation benefit scroungers will be the undoing of this country. theartistformallyknownasoutragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 8

3:27pm Fri 24 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!
From this i gather you are currently claiming benefits?
For starters the countries debts are not only caused by the banks, a great chunk it comes from the benefits system. How does getting your benefits cut put you out of pocket, you're getting it freely as it is with the only people being left out of pocket is the hardworking taxpayer.

3 of the areas tax pays is countries debt, benefits (I work so you dont have too seems to be the case) and the NHS..........how the hell can they call this free health care when I pay towards it from every pound I earn and so far I have not needed medical attention on that level.

Plus I dont want you to feel sorry for me, all I want is to be able to keep and enjoy all the money I work hard to earn rather than seeing a chunk of it going to fund some lazy **** layabout's smoking and drinking habits.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!![/p][/quote]From this i gather you are currently claiming benefits? For starters the countries debts are not only caused by the banks, a great chunk it comes from the benefits system. How does getting your benefits cut put you out of pocket, you're getting it freely as it is with the only people being left out of pocket is the hardworking taxpayer. 3 of the areas tax pays is countries debt, benefits (I work so you dont have too seems to be the case) and the NHS..........how the hell can they call this free health care when I pay towards it from every pound I earn and so far I have not needed medical attention on that level. Plus I dont want you to feel sorry for me, all I want is to be able to keep and enjoy all the money I work hard to earn rather than seeing a chunk of it going to fund some lazy **** layabout's smoking and drinking habits. MartinMo
  • Score: 11

4:35pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

MartinMo wrote:
sineater wrote:
T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!
From this i gather you are currently claiming benefits?
For starters the countries debts are not only caused by the banks, a great chunk it comes from the benefits system. How does getting your benefits cut put you out of pocket, you're getting it freely as it is with the only people being left out of pocket is the hardworking taxpayer.

3 of the areas tax pays is countries debt, benefits (I work so you dont have too seems to be the case) and the NHS..........how the hell can they call this free health care when I pay towards it from every pound I earn and so far I have not needed medical attention on that level.

Plus I dont want you to feel sorry for me, all I want is to be able to keep and enjoy all the money I work hard to earn rather than seeing a chunk of it going to fund some lazy **** layabout's smoking and drinking habits.
Well said Martin, and you gather correctly. This person not only reaps the benefit of benefits but ironically blames business people for not creating enough jobs, you couldn't make it up!! 13 years of Labour allowed these parasites to believe they could live comfortably on hand outs, personally I don't think IDS has done enough and although I have no love for the Tories I would like to see them elected 5 years without the shackles of the LibDems.
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!![/p][/quote]From this i gather you are currently claiming benefits? For starters the countries debts are not only caused by the banks, a great chunk it comes from the benefits system. How does getting your benefits cut put you out of pocket, you're getting it freely as it is with the only people being left out of pocket is the hardworking taxpayer. 3 of the areas tax pays is countries debt, benefits (I work so you dont have too seems to be the case) and the NHS..........how the hell can they call this free health care when I pay towards it from every pound I earn and so far I have not needed medical attention on that level. Plus I dont want you to feel sorry for me, all I want is to be able to keep and enjoy all the money I work hard to earn rather than seeing a chunk of it going to fund some lazy **** layabout's smoking and drinking habits.[/p][/quote]Well said Martin, and you gather correctly. This person not only reaps the benefit of benefits but ironically blames business people for not creating enough jobs, you couldn't make it up!! 13 years of Labour allowed these parasites to believe they could live comfortably on hand outs, personally I don't think IDS has done enough and although I have no love for the Tories I would like to see them elected 5 years without the shackles of the LibDems. Jackaranda
  • Score: 7

4:59pm Fri 24 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Chaps - it is really pointless trying to explain how Labour screwed up the economy. He blames the banks (conveniently ignoring that bank regulation is the responsibility of the Government) and is oblivious to the way that Mad Gordo borrowed billions, even when the economy was healthy. We don't know if he is a fellow passenger on the Benefits Street gravy train but that might indeed be the case. It is reasonable to assume that he wouldn't be capable of doing a job that required the proper use of the English language and the frequency and timing of his messages could indicate someone who is domiciled.
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Please stop laughing and show a little pity.
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Chaps - it is really pointless trying to explain how Labour screwed up the economy. He blames the banks (conveniently ignoring that bank regulation is the responsibility of the Government) and is oblivious to the way that Mad Gordo borrowed billions, even when the economy was healthy. We don't know if he is a fellow passenger on the Benefits Street gravy train but that might indeed be the case. It is reasonable to assume that he wouldn't be capable of doing a job that required the proper use of the English language and the frequency and timing of his messages could indicate someone who is domiciled. . Please stop laughing and show a little pity. . David Lacey
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!
Think this show everything about the sort of person YOU are Lunatic!!

Lets break this down:
'you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created'

1. Its not YOUR benefits its the states benefits. An allocation of that is paid out based on need and criteria and is dependant on what is in the pot for a given fiscal year.

2. YOUR benefits were not reduced to pay off the debt that banks created. Banks were bailed out 3 years before any changes were made to welfare, they were in debt because of two factors bad trading and the runaway public desire for cheap credit neither of which was sustainable. THIS WAS A GLOBAL PROBLEM not just UK.

3. When the banks were bailed out by Labour, which was credit to that party, no ounce of thought was given to how the already runaway welfare spending would be funded. The answer was more borrowing and it didn't emerge what a mess the coffers were in until after the Election.
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you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ?

1. If people are committing suicide they are not getting the correct social services support and perhaps welfare support. They are obviously vulnerable and that what communities are there for, to offer friendly support and advice. Social Services help vulnerable people to function and to have the right level of support.

2. People don't get pressurised into suicide it is decision and very very sad one. I know someone that took their own life and there is a big guilt there, wondering if it could've been avoided with the right emotional and general support.
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Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing.

1. It's not MY tax money, when it leaves at source I don't even see it. It just happens, I don't lose it and I don't mind.

2. (I'll ignore the insult)

3. You're right ordinary people didn't cause the problems. Time get tough, when there is less money around people tighten their belts.

4. Ordinary people aren't dealing with the brunt of everything, ordinary people (as far as I am aware) deal with their owns lives and are not organised solely by the state. I know this because I am an ordinary person and so are friends and family.

5. The welfare system is not perfect in either direction. That's why working is always the best chance of freedom. Many people travel huge distances to get work just so they are in control. If people don't want to take that chance that is fine but remember that they will have to accept what is offered.
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Yes we know staling (stealing??) is illegal ,but people have to survive.

1. The same old excuse, I think this says more about morals than thing. You seem to be from the 'I i don't feel that I'm getting what I should be entitled to, I'll go out an bl**dy take it from someone else' camp. Despicable.
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if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!

1. The Conservatives got the highest number of votes at the last election, that was before we truly understood the mess that the economy was really in. We were in a mess and your beloved Labour party concealed the truth from the public.

2. Labour have no real options for the majority of the country or it's future, would to see them.

3. The plans are working, unemployment down, spending down, deficit down, inflation down. Incomes are starting to rise faster that costs for the first time in years. Minimum wage is increasing soon, the threshold for paying any tax is rising to £10k in 3 months. All good news.

4. People in this town are fed up to the back teeth of long held Labour Local Authority policies running roughshod over their towns. Darlington for one. Don't be surprised if there is a shake up in the next elections that turns areas that have always been crimson to a vibrant blue.

That is all......
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!![/p][/quote]Think this show everything about the sort of person YOU are Lunatic!! Lets break this down: 'you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created' 1. Its not YOUR benefits its the states benefits. An allocation of that is paid out based on need and criteria and is dependant on what is in the pot for a given fiscal year. 2. YOUR benefits were not reduced to pay off the debt that banks created. Banks were bailed out 3 years before any changes were made to welfare, they were in debt because of two factors bad trading and the runaway public desire for cheap credit neither of which was sustainable. THIS WAS A GLOBAL PROBLEM not just UK. 3. When the banks were bailed out by Labour, which was credit to that party, no ounce of thought was given to how the already runaway welfare spending would be funded. The answer was more borrowing and it didn't emerge what a mess the coffers were in until after the Election. -------------------- -------------------- ------------- you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? 1. If people are committing suicide they are not getting the correct social services support and perhaps welfare support. They are obviously vulnerable and that what communities are there for, to offer friendly support and advice. Social Services help vulnerable people to function and to have the right level of support. 2. People don't get pressurised into suicide it is decision and very very sad one. I know someone that took their own life and there is a big guilt there, wondering if it could've been avoided with the right emotional and general support. -------------------- -------------------- ------------- Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. 1. It's not MY tax money, when it leaves at source I don't even see it. It just happens, I don't lose it and I don't mind. 2. (I'll ignore the insult) 3. You're right ordinary people didn't cause the problems. Time get tough, when there is less money around people tighten their belts. 4. Ordinary people aren't dealing with the brunt of everything, ordinary people (as far as I am aware) deal with their owns lives and are not organised solely by the state. I know this because I am an ordinary person and so are friends and family. 5. The welfare system is not perfect in either direction. That's why working is always the best chance of freedom. Many people travel huge distances to get work just so they are in control. If people don't want to take that chance that is fine but remember that they will have to accept what is offered. -------------------- -------------------- ------------- Yes we know staling (stealing??) is illegal ,but people have to survive. 1. The same old excuse, I think this says more about morals than thing. You seem to be from the 'I i don't feel that I'm getting what I should be entitled to, I'll go out an bl**dy take it from someone else' camp. Despicable. -------------------- -------------------- ------------ if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!! 1. The Conservatives got the highest number of votes at the last election, that was before we truly understood the mess that the economy was really in. We were in a mess and your beloved Labour party concealed the truth from the public. 2. Labour have no real options for the majority of the country or it's future, would to see them. 3. The plans are working, unemployment down, spending down, deficit down, inflation down. Incomes are starting to rise faster that costs for the first time in years. Minimum wage is increasing soon, the threshold for paying any tax is rising to £10k in 3 months. All good news. 4. People in this town are fed up to the back teeth of long held Labour Local Authority policies running roughshod over their towns. Darlington for one. Don't be surprised if there is a shake up in the next elections that turns areas that have always been crimson to a vibrant blue. That is all...... Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 5

5:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

I kneel in homage TPH
I kneel in homage TPH David Lacey
  • Score: 5

6:06pm Fri 24 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Nationally just the tip of the 'Benefit Fraud 'iceberg', ****Benefit Fraud has 'for years' and still is endemic in the ' British benefit Systems' . Spot on David Lacey, many Benefit Fraudsters over the years are cunning. con-niving criminal punters, in many cases 'Hundreds of Thousands' have been 'conned' out the benefit systems. Some of those convicted of th years of serious and massive benefit fraud has had to pay back just ***one pound a week and/or ****4O Hours 'pathetic' so called community serviced (seriously you just could not make it up, it beggers all belief). Many free state benefit fraudsters make MORE than the decent hardworking (Working) person makes in FIVE years. No wonder certain countries shake their heads in disbelief and ask the eternal question. Just Why ? does the poor mug working ' British Taxpayer' put up with all this Benefit/Welfare/Hous
ing and NHS systematic abuse which is both draining and milking our Country and costing lterally Hundreds of Millions.
Nationally just the tip of the 'Benefit Fraud 'iceberg', ****Benefit Fraud has 'for years' and still is endemic in the ' British benefit Systems' . Spot on David Lacey, many Benefit Fraudsters over the years are cunning. con-niving criminal punters, in many cases 'Hundreds of Thousands' have been 'conned' out the benefit systems. Some of those convicted of th years of serious and massive benefit fraud has had to pay back just ***one pound a week and/or ****4O Hours 'pathetic' so called community serviced (seriously you just could not make it up, it beggers all belief). Many free state benefit fraudsters make MORE than the decent hardworking (Working) person makes in FIVE years. No wonder certain countries shake their heads in disbelief and ask the eternal question. Just Why ? does the poor mug working ' British Taxpayer' put up with all this Benefit/Welfare/Hous ing and NHS systematic abuse which is both draining and milking our Country and costing lterally Hundreds of Millions. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 4

6:19pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jonn says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
sineater wrote:
T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!
Think this show everything about the sort of person YOU are Lunatic!!

Lets break this down:
'you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created'

1. Its not YOUR benefits its the states benefits. An allocation of that is paid out based on need and criteria and is dependant on what is in the pot for a given fiscal year.

2. YOUR benefits were not reduced to pay off the debt that banks created. Banks were bailed out 3 years before any changes were made to welfare, they were in debt because of two factors bad trading and the runaway public desire for cheap credit neither of which was sustainable. THIS WAS A GLOBAL PROBLEM not just UK.

3. When the banks were bailed out by Labour, which was credit to that party, no ounce of thought was given to how the already runaway welfare spending would be funded. The answer was more borrowing and it didn't emerge what a mess the coffers were in until after the Election.
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you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ?

1. If people are committing suicide they are not getting the correct social services support and perhaps welfare support. They are obviously vulnerable and that what communities are there for, to offer friendly support and advice. Social Services help vulnerable people to function and to have the right level of support.

2. People don't get pressurised into suicide it is decision and very very sad one. I know someone that took their own life and there is a big guilt there, wondering if it could've been avoided with the right emotional and general support.
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Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing.

1. It's not MY tax money, when it leaves at source I don't even see it. It just happens, I don't lose it and I don't mind.

2. (I'll ignore the insult)

3. You're right ordinary people didn't cause the problems. Time get tough, when there is less money around people tighten their belts.

4. Ordinary people aren't dealing with the brunt of everything, ordinary people (as far as I am aware) deal with their owns lives and are not organised solely by the state. I know this because I am an ordinary person and so are friends and family.

5. The welfare system is not perfect in either direction. That's why working is always the best chance of freedom. Many people travel huge distances to get work just so they are in control. If people don't want to take that chance that is fine but remember that they will have to accept what is offered.
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Yes we know staling (stealing??) is illegal ,but people have to survive.

1. The same old excuse, I think this says more about morals than thing. You seem to be from the 'I i don't feel that I'm getting what I should be entitled to, I'll go out an bl**dy take it from someone else' camp. Despicable.
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if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!

1. The Conservatives got the highest number of votes at the last election, that was before we truly understood the mess that the economy was really in. We were in a mess and your beloved Labour party concealed the truth from the public.

2. Labour have no real options for the majority of the country or it's future, would to see them.

3. The plans are working, unemployment down, spending down, deficit down, inflation down. Incomes are starting to rise faster that costs for the first time in years. Minimum wage is increasing soon, the threshold for paying any tax is rising to £10k in 3 months. All good news.

4. People in this town are fed up to the back teeth of long held Labour Local Authority policies running roughshod over their towns. Darlington for one. Don't be surprised if there is a shake up in the next elections that turns areas that have always been crimson to a vibrant blue.

That is all......
There is so much to correct in this statement, it's difficult to know where to begin.
For a start, benefit money doesn't come out of a pot based on how much money is available, it comes from the Government Banking Services. This is a group of financial institutions, ie banks, who are not allowed to be named publicly and create this money out of thin air.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!![/p][/quote]Think this show everything about the sort of person YOU are Lunatic!! Lets break this down: 'you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created' 1. Its not YOUR benefits its the states benefits. An allocation of that is paid out based on need and criteria and is dependant on what is in the pot for a given fiscal year. 2. YOUR benefits were not reduced to pay off the debt that banks created. Banks were bailed out 3 years before any changes were made to welfare, they were in debt because of two factors bad trading and the runaway public desire for cheap credit neither of which was sustainable. THIS WAS A GLOBAL PROBLEM not just UK. 3. When the banks were bailed out by Labour, which was credit to that party, no ounce of thought was given to how the already runaway welfare spending would be funded. The answer was more borrowing and it didn't emerge what a mess the coffers were in until after the Election. -------------------- -------------------- ------------- you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? 1. If people are committing suicide they are not getting the correct social services support and perhaps welfare support. They are obviously vulnerable and that what communities are there for, to offer friendly support and advice. Social Services help vulnerable people to function and to have the right level of support. 2. People don't get pressurised into suicide it is decision and very very sad one. I know someone that took their own life and there is a big guilt there, wondering if it could've been avoided with the right emotional and general support. -------------------- -------------------- ------------- Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. 1. It's not MY tax money, when it leaves at source I don't even see it. It just happens, I don't lose it and I don't mind. 2. (I'll ignore the insult) 3. You're right ordinary people didn't cause the problems. Time get tough, when there is less money around people tighten their belts. 4. Ordinary people aren't dealing with the brunt of everything, ordinary people (as far as I am aware) deal with their owns lives and are not organised solely by the state. I know this because I am an ordinary person and so are friends and family. 5. The welfare system is not perfect in either direction. That's why working is always the best chance of freedom. Many people travel huge distances to get work just so they are in control. If people don't want to take that chance that is fine but remember that they will have to accept what is offered. -------------------- -------------------- ------------- Yes we know staling (stealing??) is illegal ,but people have to survive. 1. The same old excuse, I think this says more about morals than thing. You seem to be from the 'I i don't feel that I'm getting what I should be entitled to, I'll go out an bl**dy take it from someone else' camp. Despicable. -------------------- -------------------- ------------ if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!! 1. The Conservatives got the highest number of votes at the last election, that was before we truly understood the mess that the economy was really in. We were in a mess and your beloved Labour party concealed the truth from the public. 2. Labour have no real options for the majority of the country or it's future, would to see them. 3. The plans are working, unemployment down, spending down, deficit down, inflation down. Incomes are starting to rise faster that costs for the first time in years. Minimum wage is increasing soon, the threshold for paying any tax is rising to £10k in 3 months. All good news. 4. People in this town are fed up to the back teeth of long held Labour Local Authority policies running roughshod over their towns. Darlington for one. Don't be surprised if there is a shake up in the next elections that turns areas that have always been crimson to a vibrant blue. That is all......[/p][/quote]There is so much to correct in this statement, it's difficult to know where to begin. For a start, benefit money doesn't come out of a pot based on how much money is available, it comes from the Government Banking Services. This is a group of financial institutions, ie banks, who are not allowed to be named publicly and create this money out of thin air. Jonn
  • Score: -5

6:28pm Fri 24 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Benefit money comes from the Exchequer.
Benefit money comes from the Exchequer. David Lacey
  • Score: 6

6:48pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Sorry, I stand corrected It is not a pot it is called AME, and the Government Banking Service is part of HMRC

The remainder of spending, which the government argues cannot sensibly be planned for in advance, is allocated annually. It is known as annually managed e
xpenditure (AME). The major components of AME are social security payments, debt interest, and spending by local authorities.

But where does that money come from?? It must come from income: tax etc.
Sorry, I stand corrected It is not a pot it is called AME, and the Government Banking Service is part of HMRC The remainder of spending, which the government argues cannot sensibly be planned for in advance, is allocated annually. It is known as annually managed e xpenditure (AME). The major components of AME are social security payments, debt interest, and spending by local authorities. But where does that money come from?? It must come from income: tax etc. Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 3

7:17pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

Jonn says...
"There is so much to correct in this statement, it's difficult to know where to begin.
For a start, benefit money doesn't come out of a pot based on how much money is available, it comes from the Government Banking Services. This is a group of financial institutions, ie banks, who are not allowed to be named publicly and create this money out of thin air."

GBS = HMRC = Taxpayer.
Jonn says... "There is so much to correct in this statement, it's difficult to know where to begin. For a start, benefit money doesn't come out of a pot based on how much money is available, it comes from the Government Banking Services. This is a group of financial institutions, ie banks, who are not allowed to be named publicly and create this money out of thin air." GBS = HMRC = Taxpayer. Jackaranda
  • Score: 6

7:27pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jonn says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Sorry, I stand corrected It is not a pot it is called AME, and the Government Banking Service is part of HMRC

The remainder of spending, which the government argues cannot sensibly be planned for in advance, is allocated annually. It is known as annually manage
d e
xpenditure (AME
). The major components of AME are social security payments, debt interest, and spending by local authorities.

But where does that money come from?? It must come from income: tax etc.
Government Banking Services was set up in 2008, it merely holds an account with HMRC. It's members are Financial Institutions who cannot be named. Very odd! GBS are the ones who magic up the money into benefit claimants bank accounts.
Where does that money come from, indeed, where does it come from? Well, where does all the money that appears in your bank account come from? It's created with a few taps on a computer keyboard, out of fresh air. Like most of the money that is in 'existence' today, it doesn't physically exist.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: Sorry, I stand corrected It is not a pot it is called AME, and the Government Banking Service is part of HMRC The remainder of spending, which the government argues cannot sensibly be planned for in advance, is allocated annually. It is known as annually manage d e xpenditure (AME ). The major components of AME are social security payments, debt interest, and spending by local authorities. But where does that money come from?? It must come from income: tax etc.[/p][/quote]Government Banking Services was set up in 2008, it merely holds an account with HMRC. It's members are Financial Institutions who cannot be named. Very odd! GBS are the ones who magic up the money into benefit claimants bank accounts. Where does that money come from, indeed, where does it come from? Well, where does all the money that appears in your bank account come from? It's created with a few taps on a computer keyboard, out of fresh air. Like most of the money that is in 'existence' today, it doesn't physically exist. Jonn
  • Score: -3

7:28pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jonn says...

Jackaranda wrote:
Jonn says...
"There is so much to correct in this statement, it's difficult to know where to begin.
For a start, benefit money doesn't come out of a pot based on how much money is available, it comes from the Government Banking Services. This is a group of financial institutions, ie banks, who are not allowed to be named publicly and create this money out of thin air."

GBS = HMRC = Taxpayer.
No, it doesn't work like that. Try again.
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: Jonn says... "There is so much to correct in this statement, it's difficult to know where to begin. For a start, benefit money doesn't come out of a pot based on how much money is available, it comes from the Government Banking Services. This is a group of financial institutions, ie banks, who are not allowed to be named publicly and create this money out of thin air." GBS = HMRC = Taxpayer.[/p][/quote]No, it doesn't work like that. Try again. Jonn
  • Score: -5

9:16pm Fri 24 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Well the British Channel Islands (i.e. Jersey, Guernsey Alderney and Sark) have NO workshy Free benefit and/or Welfare/ Housing systems. .........(They the British Channel Islands have heir own independent Parliamont. So what ?........ do the people in the Channel Islands Do ?. They do not whinge, moan and groan, they get off their buts on a regular basis and find WORK and EARN a living. There are no workshy on the British Channel Islands, they put their hand to any available work and LOOK for work. So why cannot their excellent 'Channels Island Work Systems' be adopted in Britain, saving Britain untold BILLIONS.
Well the British Channel Islands (i.e. Jersey, Guernsey Alderney and Sark) have NO workshy Free benefit and/or Welfare/ Housing systems. .........(They the British Channel Islands have heir own independent Parliamont. So what ?........ do the people in the Channel Islands Do ?. They do not whinge, moan and groan, they get off their buts on a regular basis and find WORK and EARN a living. There are no workshy on the British Channel Islands, they put their hand to any available work and LOOK for work. So why cannot their excellent 'Channels Island Work Systems' be adopted in Britain, saving Britain untold BILLIONS. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -1

9:35pm Fri 24 Jan 14

spragger says...

These people are stealing from the few genuine claimants
They must be made an example of ..
These people are stealing from the few genuine claimants They must be made an example of .. spragger
  • Score: 10

6:46am Sat 25 Jan 14

Jonn says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
Well the British Channel Islands (i.e. Jersey, Guernsey Alderney and Sark) have NO workshy Free benefit and/or Welfare/ Housing systems. .........(They the British Channel Islands have heir own independent Parliamont. So what ?........ do the people in the Channel Islands Do ?. They do not whinge, moan and groan, they get off their buts on a regular basis and find WORK and EARN a living. There are no workshy on the British Channel Islands, they put their hand to any available work and LOOK for work. So why cannot their excellent 'Channels Island Work Systems' be adopted in Britain, saving Britain untold BILLIONS.
Ah, the Channel Islands, tax havens of the morally repugnant.
Sark, owned by the Barclay Brothers no less, now there's a fine example of morality.
Jersey, frequented by the likes of Mr Heath and Mr Savile and home of Haut de la Garenne coincidently.
What a wonderful example cushybutterfield.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Well the British Channel Islands (i.e. Jersey, Guernsey Alderney and Sark) have NO workshy Free benefit and/or Welfare/ Housing systems. .........(They the British Channel Islands have heir own independent Parliamont. So what ?........ do the people in the Channel Islands Do ?. They do not whinge, moan and groan, they get off their buts on a regular basis and find WORK and EARN a living. There are no workshy on the British Channel Islands, they put their hand to any available work and LOOK for work. So why cannot their excellent 'Channels Island Work Systems' be adopted in Britain, saving Britain untold BILLIONS.[/p][/quote]Ah, the Channel Islands, tax havens of the morally repugnant. Sark, owned by the Barclay Brothers no less, now there's a fine example of morality. Jersey, frequented by the likes of Mr Heath and Mr Savile and home of Haut de la Garenne coincidently. What a wonderful example cushybutterfield. Jonn
  • Score: -2

10:42am Sat 25 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Decades ago the 'Welfare State' was orginally created to 'help and assist' decent working class people and others who were in ***genuine need and fallen on real hard times and yes despite often 'abject unemployment and near real starvation for some, just after the second world war, the vast majority of people in Britain 'worked their socks off' to make a living and make ends meet, regardless of 'either poor or good wages'. ......... The British 'real working class' fully accepted the work-ethic culture, particularly during the 'early years of the Welfare State' and was a general, a fully accepted national culture of ............Quote...
.....***** You ...go to work, (if you had a job to go to), you worked for and towards (a **** fair days pay for a fair days ***work) and*****earn**** a living. This was the overall culture' and mindset of nearly all working British pople, whether it was 'good economic times, reasonable or bad', dispite much real poverty. Since then the 'Welfare State benefit System(s)' over the years for many (not all of course for the genuine) has become a very convenient way of getting ' free money and handouts' off the state 'without doing one jot of paid work. Much of the benefit system(s), has been both exploited and 'Hi-Jacked by many cunning, minipulating Workshy' who over the years have jumped on this fee gravy train bandwaggon. These bogus benefit claimants have had (and still 'ncreasingly do') have a negative impact on genuine benefit claimants. Why ?..... because the free benefit system(s) allows you, .......'particularly today' to have access to and receive get huge 'free Benefit sums' some of which ( not all of course) literally pays Mr and Mrs Workshy and Co ******Thousands per week and month******* for doing NO work, no graft, no getting out of bed, no travelling expenses, in fact for thousands they are rewarded for 'Doing precisely nothing, for NOT going to any paid work'. Hence the total cost of the now 'giant free money steamroller' of a 'British Benefit State System' which now costs the working British 'Working' Taxpayer. (Thats a person who actually does a paid job of work)..............2
2O BILLION PER YEAR.
Decades ago the 'Welfare State' was orginally created to 'help and assist' decent working class people and others who were in ***genuine need and fallen on real hard times and yes despite often 'abject unemployment and near real starvation for some, just after the second world war, the vast majority of people in Britain 'worked their socks off' to make a living and make ends meet, regardless of 'either poor or good wages'. ......... The British 'real working class' fully accepted the work-ethic culture, particularly during the 'early years of the Welfare State' and was a general, a fully accepted national culture of ............Quote... .....***** You ...go to work, (if you had a job to go to), you worked for and towards (a **** fair days pay for a fair days ***work) and*****earn**** a living. This was the overall culture' and mindset of nearly all working British pople, whether it was 'good economic times, reasonable or bad', dispite much real poverty. Since then the 'Welfare State benefit System(s)' over the years for many (not all of course for the genuine) has become a very convenient way of getting ' free money and handouts' off the state 'without doing one jot of paid work. Much of the benefit system(s), has been both exploited and 'Hi-Jacked by many cunning, minipulating Workshy' who over the years have jumped on this fee gravy train bandwaggon. These bogus benefit claimants have had (and still 'ncreasingly do') have a negative impact on genuine benefit claimants. Why ?..... because the free benefit system(s) allows you, .......'particularly today' to have access to and receive get huge 'free Benefit sums' some of which ( not all of course) literally pays Mr and Mrs Workshy and Co ******Thousands per week and month******* for doing NO work, no graft, no getting out of bed, no travelling expenses, in fact for thousands they are rewarded for 'Doing precisely nothing, for NOT going to any paid work'. Hence the total cost of the now 'giant free money steamroller' of a 'British Benefit State System' which now costs the working British 'Working' Taxpayer. (Thats a person who actually does a paid job of work)..............2 2O BILLION PER YEAR. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 6

3:24pm Sat 25 Jan 14

sineater says...

T.H.O. I'm glad you said that the banking crash was global,now go and tell the tories. You say that you think the tories will do well in the local elections ,good !! then after cuts of £100 million,and cuts of another £100 million to come if the tories get in maybe that figure would be reduced under a tory controlled council ,like they have done in other tory councils. As for benefits there are so many people having to claim for extra help ,after the government left them with insufficient funds to pay their bills,that councils are short of funds for other business-great planning from the government again !!But if the tories get in maybe that pressure will be reduced,and with all the previously law abiding people being reduced to shop-lifting to survive ,maybe the tories will bring back hanging for petty theft like they did in the 19th century,and keep all the tax-payers happy !!
T.H.O. I'm glad you said that the banking crash was global,now go and tell the tories. You say that you think the tories will do well in the local elections ,good !! then after cuts of £100 million,and cuts of another £100 million to come if the tories get in maybe that figure would be reduced under a tory controlled council ,like they have done in other tory councils. As for benefits there are so many people having to claim for extra help ,after the government left them with insufficient funds to pay their bills,that councils are short of funds for other business-great planning from the government again !!But if the tories get in maybe that pressure will be reduced,and with all the previously law abiding people being reduced to shop-lifting to survive ,maybe the tories will bring back hanging for petty theft like they did in the 19th century,and keep all the tax-payers happy !! sineater
  • Score: -9

3:55pm Sat 25 Jan 14

loan_star says...

sineater wrote:
T.H.O. I'm glad you said that the banking crash was global,now go and tell the tories. You say that you think the tories will do well in the local elections ,good !! then after cuts of £100 million,and cuts of another £100 million to come if the tories get in maybe that figure would be reduced under a tory controlled council ,like they have done in other tory councils. As for benefits there are so many people having to claim for extra help ,after the government left them with insufficient funds to pay their bills,that councils are short of funds for other business-great planning from the government again !!But if the tories get in maybe that pressure will be reduced,and with all the previously law abiding people being reduced to shop-lifting to survive ,maybe the tories will bring back hanging for petty theft like they did in the 19th century,and keep all the tax-payers happy !!
Nobody has ever said it wasn't a global banking crisis!! However the fact that Blair and Brown had the country up to the eyeballs in debt before the crisis meant that we suffered more than some other countries. You can't blame that on the bankers can you!
Actually, knowing the way you go on, you would probably blame the bankers for that too.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: T.H.O. I'm glad you said that the banking crash was global,now go and tell the tories. You say that you think the tories will do well in the local elections ,good !! then after cuts of £100 million,and cuts of another £100 million to come if the tories get in maybe that figure would be reduced under a tory controlled council ,like they have done in other tory councils. As for benefits there are so many people having to claim for extra help ,after the government left them with insufficient funds to pay their bills,that councils are short of funds for other business-great planning from the government again !!But if the tories get in maybe that pressure will be reduced,and with all the previously law abiding people being reduced to shop-lifting to survive ,maybe the tories will bring back hanging for petty theft like they did in the 19th century,and keep all the tax-payers happy !![/p][/quote]Nobody has ever said it wasn't a global banking crisis!! However the fact that Blair and Brown had the country up to the eyeballs in debt before the crisis meant that we suffered more than some other countries. You can't blame that on the bankers can you! Actually, knowing the way you go on, you would probably blame the bankers for that too. loan_star
  • Score: 5

4:23pm Sat 25 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads?
.
I'd LOVE to know.
Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads? . I'd LOVE to know. David Lacey
  • Score: 5

5:40pm Sat 25 Jan 14

loan_star says...

Ed Balls is aptly named because thats all he talks is balls. The lower tax rate was proven to bring in more than the higher one so what does this idiot want to do? Reinstate it!! Hopefully the voting public will see him to be the incompetent fool that he is and refuse to vote for his party.
The current set up may not be the best but its certainly better than anything on the opposition benches.
Ed Balls is aptly named because thats all he talks is balls. The lower tax rate was proven to bring in more than the higher one so what does this idiot want to do? Reinstate it!! Hopefully the voting public will see him to be the incompetent fool that he is and refuse to vote for his party. The current set up may not be the best but its certainly better than anything on the opposition benches. loan_star
  • Score: 5

6:01pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jonn says...

loan_star wrote:
Ed Balls is aptly named because thats all he talks is balls. The lower tax rate was proven to bring in more than the higher one so what does this idiot want to do? Reinstate it!! Hopefully the voting public will see him to be the incompetent fool that he is and refuse to vote for his party.
The current set up may not be the best but its certainly better than anything on the opposition benches.
Always wondered if the lower tax rate brought in more cash. Where did you get that info from? Can you provide a link?
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: Ed Balls is aptly named because thats all he talks is balls. The lower tax rate was proven to bring in more than the higher one so what does this idiot want to do? Reinstate it!! Hopefully the voting public will see him to be the incompetent fool that he is and refuse to vote for his party. The current set up may not be the best but its certainly better than anything on the opposition benches.[/p][/quote]Always wondered if the lower tax rate brought in more cash. Where did you get that info from? Can you provide a link? Jonn
  • Score: -1

6:17pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jonn says...

loan_star wrote:
sineater wrote:
T.H.O. I'm glad you said that the banking crash was global,now go and tell the tories. You say that you think the tories will do well in the local elections ,good !! then after cuts of £100 million,and cuts of another £100 million to come if the tories get in maybe that figure would be reduced under a tory controlled council ,like they have done in other tory councils. As for benefits there are so many people having to claim for extra help ,after the government left them with insufficient funds to pay their bills,that councils are short of funds for other business-great planning from the government again !!But if the tories get in maybe that pressure will be reduced,and with all the previously law abiding people being reduced to shop-lifting to survive ,maybe the tories will bring back hanging for petty theft like they did in the 19th century,and keep all the tax-payers happy !!
Nobody has ever said it wasn't a global banking crisis!! However the fact that Blair and Brown had the country up to the eyeballs in debt before the crisis meant that we suffered more than some other countries. You can't blame that on the bankers can you!
Actually, knowing the way you go on, you would probably blame the bankers for that too.
Funnily enough, you can blame the bankers. They were promising untold riches to the Government in tax revenues but this was based on nothing more than some ponzi scheme and when the crash came, the tax revenues dried up, leaving the Government with a big black hole.
Any other Government would have been in the same situation, except a Tory Government would have channelled more cash into private hands than public hands.
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: T.H.O. I'm glad you said that the banking crash was global,now go and tell the tories. You say that you think the tories will do well in the local elections ,good !! then after cuts of £100 million,and cuts of another £100 million to come if the tories get in maybe that figure would be reduced under a tory controlled council ,like they have done in other tory councils. As for benefits there are so many people having to claim for extra help ,after the government left them with insufficient funds to pay their bills,that councils are short of funds for other business-great planning from the government again !!But if the tories get in maybe that pressure will be reduced,and with all the previously law abiding people being reduced to shop-lifting to survive ,maybe the tories will bring back hanging for petty theft like they did in the 19th century,and keep all the tax-payers happy !![/p][/quote]Nobody has ever said it wasn't a global banking crisis!! However the fact that Blair and Brown had the country up to the eyeballs in debt before the crisis meant that we suffered more than some other countries. You can't blame that on the bankers can you! Actually, knowing the way you go on, you would probably blame the bankers for that too.[/p][/quote]Funnily enough, you can blame the bankers. They were promising untold riches to the Government in tax revenues but this was based on nothing more than some ponzi scheme and when the crash came, the tax revenues dried up, leaving the Government with a big black hole. Any other Government would have been in the same situation, except a Tory Government would have channelled more cash into private hands than public hands. Jonn
  • Score: -2

6:29pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jonn says...

David Lacey wrote:
Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads?
.
I'd LOVE to know.
Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads? . I'd LOVE to know.[/p][/quote]Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills? Jonn
  • Score: -1

7:13pm Sat 25 Jan 14

spragger says...

Now that Balls has stated that he will return the 50 p in the £ tax rate that will actually reduce the tax take, where will he now get the shortfall?
Yep, you have it, he will have to tax the ordinary working person more

Labour do not get it
Now that Balls has stated that he will return the 50 p in the £ tax rate that will actually reduce the tax take, where will he now get the shortfall? Yep, you have it, he will have to tax the ordinary working person more Labour do not get it spragger
  • Score: 5

7:34pm Sat 25 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Jonn - don't be an ars* all your life, Balls-up has spoken. The mathematics are clear. Where are the cuts coming?
Jonn - don't be an ars* all your life, Balls-up has spoken. The mathematics are clear. Where are the cuts coming? David Lacey
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jonn says...

spragger wrote:
Now that Balls has stated that he will return the 50 p in the £ tax rate that will actually reduce the tax take, where will he now get the shortfall?
Yep, you have it, he will have to tax the ordinary working person more

Labour do not get it
Where's your proof tax revenues will fall if the tax rate goes back up to 50p?
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: Now that Balls has stated that he will return the 50 p in the £ tax rate that will actually reduce the tax take, where will he now get the shortfall? Yep, you have it, he will have to tax the ordinary working person more Labour do not get it[/p][/quote]Where's your proof tax revenues will fall if the tax rate goes back up to 50p? Jonn
  • Score: -3

8:02pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jonn says...

David Lacey wrote:
Jonn - don't be an ars* all your life, Balls-up has spoken. The mathematics are clear. Where are the cuts coming?
An ars* for speaking the truth, fair enough.
The cuts will be the same as this current Government has done, they'll just dress it up differently. They are all in the pockets of the banking cabals and the banking cabals have spoken.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Jonn - don't be an ars* all your life, Balls-up has spoken. The mathematics are clear. Where are the cuts coming?[/p][/quote]An ars* for speaking the truth, fair enough. The cuts will be the same as this current Government has done, they'll just dress it up differently. They are all in the pockets of the banking cabals and the banking cabals have spoken. Jonn
  • Score: -1

8:22pm Sat 25 Jan 14

behonest says...

Jonn wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
Jonn - don't be an ars* all your life, Balls-up has spoken. The mathematics are clear. Where are the cuts coming?
An ars* for speaking the truth, fair enough.
The cuts will be the same as this current Government has done, they'll just dress it up differently. They are all in the pockets of the banking cabals and the banking cabals have spoken.
That's why we should all vote UKIP. Just for the fun of it, if nothing else!

'Cos Labour or Tory.......it makes no difference.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Jonn - don't be an ars* all your life, Balls-up has spoken. The mathematics are clear. Where are the cuts coming?[/p][/quote]An ars* for speaking the truth, fair enough. The cuts will be the same as this current Government has done, they'll just dress it up differently. They are all in the pockets of the banking cabals and the banking cabals have spoken.[/p][/quote]That's why we should all vote UKIP. Just for the fun of it, if nothing else! 'Cos Labour or Tory.......it makes no difference. behonest
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Sat 25 Jan 14

sineater says...

David, spitefully putting taxes up,is that worse than the current government making low paid workers unable to pay their bills ,or taking benefits of sick and disabled people ?
David, spitefully putting taxes up,is that worse than the current government making low paid workers unable to pay their bills ,or taking benefits of sick and disabled people ? sineater
  • Score: -2

8:57pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Jonn says...

sineater wrote:
David, spitefully putting taxes up,is that worse than the current government making low paid workers unable to pay their bills ,or taking benefits of sick and disabled people ?
But 90% of us are better off now (if you fiddle the stats enough).
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: David, spitefully putting taxes up,is that worse than the current government making low paid workers unable to pay their bills ,or taking benefits of sick and disabled people ?[/p][/quote]But 90% of us are better off now (if you fiddle the stats enough). Jonn
  • Score: -1

12:17am Sun 26 Jan 14

Stewed says...

Where's balls getting the money from? Well if he's got any balls he'll close tax loopholes,end legal tax evasion and stop the rich putting money in offshore accounts. Maybe get companies like amazon and Starbucks to pay some proper taxes and force companies that make massive profits pay a level of wages that don't have to be subsidised by the tax payer.
Combine this with tackling genuine benefit fraud whilst making sure those in need are not made scapegoats for the deficit and he will be on to a winner.

Sounds too simple for the average politician to fathom, but I'd vote for it.

Of course we could do our bit, don't use companies where the majority of profits go abroad, shop locally in independent retailers and stop paying your money to massive global companies like sky. In other words make sure your hard earned pay stays in the UK and not on a fatcats golf course.

Common sense really, oh and lock that benefit cheat up for a bit longer.
Where's balls getting the money from? Well if he's got any balls he'll close tax loopholes,end legal tax evasion and stop the rich putting money in offshore accounts. Maybe get companies like amazon and Starbucks to pay some proper taxes and force companies that make massive profits pay a level of wages that don't have to be subsidised by the tax payer. Combine this with tackling genuine benefit fraud whilst making sure those in need are not made scapegoats for the deficit and he will be on to a winner. Sounds too simple for the average politician to fathom, but I'd vote for it. Of course we could do our bit, don't use companies where the majority of profits go abroad, shop locally in independent retailers and stop paying your money to massive global companies like sky. In other words make sure your hard earned pay stays in the UK and not on a fatcats golf course. Common sense really, oh and lock that benefit cheat up for a bit longer. Stewed
  • Score: 1

6:39am Sun 26 Jan 14

spangle32 says...

When you are all finished scoring political points off each other , What this woman has done is wrong and she knows it. Her background is irrelevant she wrongfully claimed for a number of years therefore she should be punished. As for who claimed parliamentary expenses fraud and whatever you are all arguing about is typical of this country's state of affairs. The original point is being lost in all the point scoring and sound bites . Freedom of speech is a great thing but you all might as well be posting spam . Lets try and keep on subject eh?
When you are all finished scoring political points off each other , What this woman has done is wrong and she knows it. Her background is irrelevant she wrongfully claimed for a number of years therefore she should be punished. As for who claimed parliamentary expenses fraud and whatever you are all arguing about is typical of this country's state of affairs. The original point is being lost in all the point scoring and sound bites . Freedom of speech is a great thing but you all might as well be posting spam . Lets try and keep on subject eh? spangle32
  • Score: 10

7:35am Sun 26 Jan 14

Stewed says...

spangle32 wrote:
When you are all finished scoring political points off each other , What this woman has done is wrong and she knows it. Her background is irrelevant she wrongfully claimed for a number of years therefore she should be punished. As for who claimed parliamentary expenses fraud and whatever you are all arguing about is typical of this country's state of affairs. The original point is being lost in all the point scoring and sound bites . Freedom of speech is a great thing but you all might as well be posting spam . Lets try and keep on subject eh?
Spot on, arguments on this forum always turn into blah blah lefties did this blah blah righties did that. There's a couple of posters that turn every article into party politics, It gets really boring.
Having blind faith in a football team is one thing, having blind faith in one political party is a waste of an opinion.
[quote][p][bold]spangle32[/bold] wrote: When you are all finished scoring political points off each other , What this woman has done is wrong and she knows it. Her background is irrelevant she wrongfully claimed for a number of years therefore she should be punished. As for who claimed parliamentary expenses fraud and whatever you are all arguing about is typical of this country's state of affairs. The original point is being lost in all the point scoring and sound bites . Freedom of speech is a great thing but you all might as well be posting spam . Lets try and keep on subject eh?[/p][/quote]Spot on, arguments on this forum always turn into blah blah lefties did this blah blah righties did that. There's a couple of posters that turn every article into party politics, It gets really boring. Having blind faith in a football team is one thing, having blind faith in one political party is a waste of an opinion. Stewed
  • Score: 9

8:50am Sun 26 Jan 14

Jonn says...

Maybe she should have claimed to be too ill to stand trial for fraud like MP Margaret Moran and got off scott free.
Maybe she should have claimed to be too ill to stand trial for fraud like MP Margaret Moran and got off scott free. Jonn
  • Score: -1

9:58am Sun 26 Jan 14

hippyjohn says...

why don1t david lacey and john get a life. they only pontificate on this site because in real life no-one takes any notice of them
why don1t david lacey and john get a life. they only pontificate on this site because in real life no-one takes any notice of them hippyjohn
  • Score: -2

10:45am Sun 26 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

One of the most inane comments ever Hoppy. How the h*ll do you know? Answer - you don't. I see that you don't just deposit in the loo.
One of the most inane comments ever Hoppy. How the h*ll do you know? Answer - you don't. I see that you don't just deposit in the loo. David Lacey
  • Score: 2

11:38am Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

****Rat man you are spot on'......... its a very fair bet, you could multiply this 'One caught benefit fraud case' , by other 'uncaught Benefit/Housing/Welf
are and yes even to a degree many 'NHS fraudsters from overseas counties,. (Costing the working British Taxpayer and this country untold BILLIONS.. You do not need to buy a 'Lottery Ticket' to win 'both up to and ***over a Million', you just father tons of kids and sitback in 'pure idleness' and collect your 'free British State Benefit/Housing/Welf
are' and etc and etc monies and live like a king with armies of 'Good doer' workers pandering to your every need ***** ******Rat Man please put ****my name down**** for a ****Free Multi-Thousand Pound Benefit Holiday,****** as I have never had one in my life but have always worked and grafted by socks off, paid full Tax etc. .......... My 88 Year (hardworking all her life mother) has never been offered a 'Free State and/or Charity Food parcel' in her life, at either 'Christmas time or otherwise' and yet we see queues of some (not all of course) longterm workshy, 'fit able 22 Year olds, getting free 'repeat Food Parcels'. Quite frankly **Ratman, this British 'corrupt, swindled, 'free benefit system' is top heavy with 'bogus fiddling workshy claimants' and literally stinks to high heaven with its free Multi-Thousand Pounds Plus payout, much of it (not all) to the idle'sit on your lazy butt punters'. The system needs a proper in depth ***national radical investigation to weed out these bogus claimants and as regards some Council Housing and so called 'Social Housing in our Cities and Towns. You would be amazed at some (not all) bogus punters, (who claim bogus state housing beneits) who are living in 'free-state provided housing accomodation who have 'no legal right to be there', not counting of course many invisable tenants and numerous 'country-wide 'Benefit Cheque' fraudulent 'Drop-Offs'. The Benefit/Housing/Welf
are etc, etc, fraud is endless, costing the total British Benefit Bill for the working British Taxpayer currently costing 22O BILLION and rising yet still.
****Rat man you are spot on'......... its a very fair bet, you could multiply this 'One caught benefit fraud case' , by other 'uncaught Benefit/Housing/Welf are and yes even to a degree many 'NHS fraudsters from overseas counties,. (Costing the working British Taxpayer and this country untold BILLIONS.. You do not need to buy a 'Lottery Ticket' to win 'both up to and ***over a Million', you just father tons of kids and sitback in 'pure idleness' and collect your 'free British State Benefit/Housing/Welf are' and etc and etc monies and live like a king with armies of 'Good doer' workers pandering to your every need ***** ******Rat Man please put ****my name down**** for a ****Free Multi-Thousand Pound Benefit Holiday,****** as I have never had one in my life but have always worked and grafted by socks off, paid full Tax etc. .......... My 88 Year (hardworking all her life mother) has never been offered a 'Free State and/or Charity Food parcel' in her life, at either 'Christmas time or otherwise' and yet we see queues of some (not all of course) longterm workshy, 'fit able 22 Year olds, getting free 'repeat Food Parcels'. Quite frankly **Ratman, this British 'corrupt, swindled, 'free benefit system' is top heavy with 'bogus fiddling workshy claimants' and literally stinks to high heaven with its free Multi-Thousand Pounds Plus payout, much of it (not all) to the idle'sit on your lazy butt punters'. The system needs a proper in depth ***national radical investigation to weed out these bogus claimants and as regards some Council Housing and so called 'Social Housing in our Cities and Towns. You would be amazed at some (not all) bogus punters, (who claim bogus state housing beneits) who are living in 'free-state provided housing accomodation who have 'no legal right to be there', not counting of course many invisable tenants and numerous 'country-wide 'Benefit Cheque' fraudulent 'Drop-Offs'. The Benefit/Housing/Welf are etc, etc, fraud is endless, costing the total British Benefit Bill for the working British Taxpayer currently costing 22O BILLION and rising yet still. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Stewed says...

Cushy, I've told you before about throwing around figures without explanation, you may have a point in your intention but using incorrect figures makes your posts nothing more than a scaremongering.
£220 Bn is about what the welfare bill will be this coming year (depending on what you read) but that figure you bandy about so easily will include state pension which is the vast majority of the welfare bill (about 47%) hopefully your 88 year old mother quite rightly claims this? She might also be getting pension credit, or support from the financial assistance scheme which are also included in the total.
By all means have a go at benefit fraudsters (think we all agree on that one) but get your facts right before going public. Besides this if we stopped benefit fraud completely but also paid all genuine recipients the correct entitlement they were due the welfare bill would go up not down. I've told you all this before though, I think you just like being angry.
Cushy, I've told you before about throwing around figures without explanation, you may have a point in your intention but using incorrect figures makes your posts nothing more than a scaremongering. £220 Bn is about what the welfare bill will be this coming year (depending on what you read) but that figure you bandy about so easily will include state pension which is the vast majority of the welfare bill (about 47%) hopefully your 88 year old mother quite rightly claims this? She might also be getting pension credit, or support from the financial assistance scheme which are also included in the total. By all means have a go at benefit fraudsters (think we all agree on that one) but get your facts right before going public. Besides this if we stopped benefit fraud completely but also paid all genuine recipients the correct entitlement they were due the welfare bill would go up not down. I've told you all this before though, I think you just like being angry. Stewed
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Fair enough Steward, some constructive (non-abusive) criticism from you and I thank you for that, I have read recently in more than one national newspaper recently that the total 'Benefit bill' was nearly 220 BILLION, if this is not so,..... I humbly opolgise for this error and thank you for your positive advice.
Fair enough Steward, some constructive (non-abusive) criticism from you and I thank you for that, I have read recently in more than one national newspaper recently that the total 'Benefit bill' was nearly 220 BILLION, if this is not so,..... I humbly opolgise for this error and thank you for your positive advice. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 1

4:40pm Sun 26 Jan 14

jps101 says...

I don't know if some of you posters are aware.

But if you make it hard to read what you've written.

By not using a bit of spacing and paragraphs.

I suspect there's more readers like myself.

Who won't even bother finishing reading your post after starting to read it.

(Paragraphs over-used above to emphasise my point)
I don't know if some of you posters are aware. But if you make it hard to read what you've written. By not using a bit of spacing and paragraphs. I suspect there's more readers like myself. Who won't even bother finishing reading your post after starting to read it. (Paragraphs over-used above to emphasise my point) jps101
  • Score: 3

4:58pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Stewed says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
Fair enough Steward, some constructive (non-abusive) criticism from you and I thank you for that, I have read recently in more than one national newspaper recently that the total 'Benefit bill' was nearly 220 BILLION, if this is not so,..... I humbly opolgise for this error and thank you for your positive advice.
The benefit bill is £220bn cushy but like I said that's not just job seekers allowance, it includes pensions, pension credit, Disability living allowance, working tax credit, financial assistance scheme payments and many other forms of welfare payments. Common sense says lots of these payments are justified. However like you say benefit fraud is a problem I don't think anyone can justify. Hence this particular fraudster going to jail. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Fair enough Steward, some constructive (non-abusive) criticism from you and I thank you for that, I have read recently in more than one national newspaper recently that the total 'Benefit bill' was nearly 220 BILLION, if this is not so,..... I humbly opolgise for this error and thank you for your positive advice.[/p][/quote]The benefit bill is £220bn cushy but like I said that's not just job seekers allowance, it includes pensions, pension credit, Disability living allowance, working tax credit, financial assistance scheme payments and many other forms of welfare payments. Common sense says lots of these payments are justified. However like you say benefit fraud is a problem I don't think anyone can justify. Hence this particular fraudster going to jail. Thanks. Stewed
  • Score: 1

9:53pm Sun 26 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Steward............T
hanks for you 'intelligent informative reply ' and time and patience on the subject which I fully respect.
Steward............T hanks for you 'intelligent informative reply ' and time and patience on the subject which I fully respect. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

10:05am Mon 27 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

What Britain needs is NOT a ever expanding 'Nanny State' benefit system which feeds and supports a culture of ' workshy sit on your butt idleness' but a culture of *******hard work (graft), making and ****producing**** **manufacturing goods***** which David Cameron rightly so is working his socks off to achieve. People in Britain (as they already do in CHINA) need to realise that they have to ****produce wealth and ****earn a living ******and not be dependent on the 'British Nanny' 'A to Z free state benefits'. A culture of sheer hard graft, manufacture and export of British Goods and thats how to eradicate so called British poverty.
What Britain needs is NOT a ever expanding 'Nanny State' benefit system which feeds and supports a culture of ' workshy sit on your butt idleness' but a culture of *******hard work (graft), making and ****producing**** **manufacturing goods***** which David Cameron rightly so is working his socks off to achieve. People in Britain (as they already do in CHINA) need to realise that they have to ****produce wealth and ****earn a living ******and not be dependent on the 'British Nanny' 'A to Z free state benefits'. A culture of sheer hard graft, manufacture and export of British Goods and thats how to eradicate so called British poverty. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Reasonnotrhetoric says...

Tightening up the rules and making cuts left, right and centre will have no effect at all on reducing benefit fraud - those (relatively few) who can play the system will just find more ways around it, and the only people affected are the ones who genuinely need support. Of course for most people, it's all academic anyway because all those law abiding tax payers who are tarring all benefit claimants with the same brush will never get sick or have an accident or be made redundant and so will never need to ask for help.
The DWP's own statistics show that fraud accounts for only a tiny percentage of the benefit bill, for some benefits it's a smaller percentage than that from 'official error' - the vast majority who claim do so because they have no choice, and do so for only a short period whilst between jobs or recovering from a major illness.
Would any reasonable person really be willing to jump through all the hoops DWP now expect just for £70 a week if they didn't have to?
Tightening up the rules and making cuts left, right and centre will have no effect at all on reducing benefit fraud - those (relatively few) who can play the system will just find more ways around it, and the only people affected are the ones who genuinely need support. Of course for most people, it's all academic anyway because all those law abiding tax payers who are tarring all benefit claimants with the same brush will never get sick or have an accident or be made redundant and so will never need to ask for help. The DWP's own statistics show that fraud accounts for only a tiny percentage of the benefit bill, for some benefits it's a smaller percentage than that from 'official error' - the vast majority who claim do so because they have no choice, and do so for only a short period whilst between jobs or recovering from a major illness. Would any reasonable person really be willing to jump through all the hoops DWP now expect just for £70 a week if they didn't have to? Reasonnotrhetoric
  • Score: 0

1:56pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

Stewed says...
Spot on, arguments on this forum always turn into blah blah lefties did this blah blah righties did that. There's a couple of posters that turn every article into party politics, It gets really boring.
Having blind faith in a football team is one thing, having blind faith in one political party is a waste of an opinion.

You are correct, but you must realise politics is Left, Right and Centre!
Stewed says... Spot on, arguments on this forum always turn into blah blah lefties did this blah blah righties did that. There's a couple of posters that turn every article into party politics, It gets really boring. Having blind faith in a football team is one thing, having blind faith in one political party is a waste of an opinion. You are correct, but you must realise politics is Left, Right and Centre! Jackaranda
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Mon 27 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

Jonn wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads?
.
I'd LOVE to know.
Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills?
OMG people, why do you insist on blaming the wealthy whom manage to avoid paying taxes, if we (the millions of workers who have no choice) did in fact have a choice as to pay tax or not we would choose not to. I have said before i am a great believer in you should be able to keep what you earn.

I once found myself out of work, on initially finding myself out of work after 24 years I never once thought about claiming benefits, it was only registering as a job seeker in the local office that prompted me being interviewed by a member of staff. Now I thought the interview was part of the process to finding new employment but it turned out they wanted info to see which benefits I could claim.
2 months passed before I managed to find new employment (no help from JobCentre) during that 2 months I was entitled to claim £0 pounds as benefits. So I had served in the military for 24 years (paid a small fortune in taxes) and I was entitled to nothing. The reason for this was because I had savings, money put aside in order to pay a deposit towards a mortgage for a home for my family once a found myself back in employment. I was told I had to live of what I had or find a job, yet the system gives money to those layabouts whom have no intention of finding work.
I really grinds my gears when these people moan about benefit cuts, try working and then seeing your wage get cut every month by 20%.
There is only one answer to all the moans about benefit cuts......get a job and earn your way through life.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads? . I'd LOVE to know.[/p][/quote]Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills?[/p][/quote]OMG people, why do you insist on blaming the wealthy whom manage to avoid paying taxes, if we (the millions of workers who have no choice) did in fact have a choice as to pay tax or not we would choose not to. I have said before i am a great believer in you should be able to keep what you earn. I once found myself out of work, on initially finding myself out of work after 24 years I never once thought about claiming benefits, it was only registering as a job seeker in the local office that prompted me being interviewed by a member of staff. Now I thought the interview was part of the process to finding new employment but it turned out they wanted info to see which benefits I could claim. 2 months passed before I managed to find new employment (no help from JobCentre) during that 2 months I was entitled to claim £0 pounds as benefits. So I had served in the military for 24 years (paid a small fortune in taxes) and I was entitled to nothing. The reason for this was because I had savings, money put aside in order to pay a deposit towards a mortgage for a home for my family once a found myself back in employment. I was told I had to live of what I had or find a job, yet the system gives money to those layabouts whom have no intention of finding work. I really grinds my gears when these people moan about benefit cuts, try working and then seeing your wage get cut every month by 20%. There is only one answer to all the moans about benefit cuts......get a job and earn your way through life. MartinMo
  • Score: 4

2:28pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Reasonnotrhetoric says...

MartinMo wrote:
Jonn wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads?
.
I'd LOVE to know.
Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills?
OMG people, why do you insist on blaming the wealthy whom manage to avoid paying taxes, if we (the millions of workers who have no choice) did in fact have a choice as to pay tax or not we would choose not to. I have said before i am a great believer in you should be able to keep what you earn.

I once found myself out of work, on initially finding myself out of work after 24 years I never once thought about claiming benefits, it was only registering as a job seeker in the local office that prompted me being interviewed by a member of staff. Now I thought the interview was part of the process to finding new employment but it turned out they wanted info to see which benefits I could claim.
2 months passed before I managed to find new employment (no help from JobCentre) during that 2 months I was entitled to claim £0 pounds as benefits. So I had served in the military for 24 years (paid a small fortune in taxes) and I was entitled to nothing. The reason for this was because I had savings, money put aside in order to pay a deposit towards a mortgage for a home for my family once a found myself back in employment. I was told I had to live of what I had or find a job, yet the system gives money to those layabouts whom have no intention of finding work.
I really grinds my gears when these people moan about benefit cuts, try working and then seeing your wage get cut every month by 20%.
There is only one answer to all the moans about benefit cuts......get a job and earn your way through life.
First off, you were misinformed. Anyone who has paid the required number of National Insurance contributions is entitled to contribution based jobseekers allowance regardless of other household income or savings.

Second, if there are no benefits, what do you do if you can't work through no fault of your own? Starve?
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads? . I'd LOVE to know.[/p][/quote]Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills?[/p][/quote]OMG people, why do you insist on blaming the wealthy whom manage to avoid paying taxes, if we (the millions of workers who have no choice) did in fact have a choice as to pay tax or not we would choose not to. I have said before i am a great believer in you should be able to keep what you earn. I once found myself out of work, on initially finding myself out of work after 24 years I never once thought about claiming benefits, it was only registering as a job seeker in the local office that prompted me being interviewed by a member of staff. Now I thought the interview was part of the process to finding new employment but it turned out they wanted info to see which benefits I could claim. 2 months passed before I managed to find new employment (no help from JobCentre) during that 2 months I was entitled to claim £0 pounds as benefits. So I had served in the military for 24 years (paid a small fortune in taxes) and I was entitled to nothing. The reason for this was because I had savings, money put aside in order to pay a deposit towards a mortgage for a home for my family once a found myself back in employment. I was told I had to live of what I had or find a job, yet the system gives money to those layabouts whom have no intention of finding work. I really grinds my gears when these people moan about benefit cuts, try working and then seeing your wage get cut every month by 20%. There is only one answer to all the moans about benefit cuts......get a job and earn your way through life.[/p][/quote]First off, you were misinformed. Anyone who has paid the required number of National Insurance contributions is entitled to contribution based jobseekers allowance regardless of other household income or savings. Second, if there are no benefits, what do you do if you can't work through no fault of your own? Starve? Reasonnotrhetoric
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

Back on topic:

The woman in this article (+ many others like her): noun - a corrupting influence on morals that has a detrimental effect on the system. This is also a definition for a virus which is generally permenantly quarantined if it cannot be destroyed.

Off main topic but part of rant topics, What is the following definition descibing:

One who benefits, usually deliberately, from others but does not offer anything in return.
Back on topic: The woman in this article (+ many others like her): noun - a corrupting influence on morals that has a detrimental effect on the system. This is also a definition for a virus which is generally permenantly quarantined if it cannot be destroyed. Off main topic but part of rant topics, What is the following definition descibing: One who benefits, usually deliberately, from others but does not offer anything in return. MartinMo
  • Score: 1

2:54pm Mon 27 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Spot On.............****.
David Lacey s comments regarding workshy **layabouts. Thats exactly what 'stinks to high heaven' about Britain. You served your country David and 'worked your guts out for 24 Years' and when you needed a bit of 'genuine British State benefit help', money-wise you got exactly ***nothing. Now if you had been a 'druggie' both on free nanny-state benefits and on methodone or a 'repeat criminal offender', ****armies of liberal do-gooders would have been falling over backwards to help you. You would get immediate 'free state financial help as repeat offenders do (costing the working Taxpayer MILIONS) in *******repeated Free Legal Aid***** and repeated free prescription methodone. So there you are, the 'criminal workshy layabouts' get everything whilst on the other-hand *** Mr and Mrs Lawabidding Cannybody get next to nothing...........Wh
at a country ruined over the years by 'labour and liberal' Do-Gooders..........
..... (but by gum the **** well shod legal profession have done well out of it all over the years)..
Spot On.............****. David Lacey s comments regarding workshy **layabouts. Thats exactly what 'stinks to high heaven' about Britain. You served your country David and 'worked your guts out for 24 Years' and when you needed a bit of 'genuine British State benefit help', money-wise you got exactly ***nothing. Now if you had been a 'druggie' both on free nanny-state benefits and on methodone or a 'repeat criminal offender', ****armies of liberal do-gooders would have been falling over backwards to help you. You would get immediate 'free state financial help as repeat offenders do (costing the working Taxpayer MILIONS) in *******repeated Free Legal Aid***** and repeated free prescription methodone. So there you are, the 'criminal workshy layabouts' get everything whilst on the other-hand *** Mr and Mrs Lawabidding Cannybody get next to nothing...........Wh at a country ruined over the years by 'labour and liberal' Do-Gooders.......... ..... (but by gum the **** well shod legal profession have done well out of it all over the years).. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Mon 27 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

Reasonnotrhetoric wrote:
MartinMo wrote:
Jonn wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads?
.
I'd LOVE to know.
Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills?
OMG people, why do you insist on blaming the wealthy whom manage to avoid paying taxes, if we (the millions of workers who have no choice) did in fact have a choice as to pay tax or not we would choose not to. I have said before i am a great believer in you should be able to keep what you earn.

I once found myself out of work, on initially finding myself out of work after 24 years I never once thought about claiming benefits, it was only registering as a job seeker in the local office that prompted me being interviewed by a member of staff. Now I thought the interview was part of the process to finding new employment but it turned out they wanted info to see which benefits I could claim.
2 months passed before I managed to find new employment (no help from JobCentre) during that 2 months I was entitled to claim £0 pounds as benefits. So I had served in the military for 24 years (paid a small fortune in taxes) and I was entitled to nothing. The reason for this was because I had savings, money put aside in order to pay a deposit towards a mortgage for a home for my family once a found myself back in employment. I was told I had to live of what I had or find a job, yet the system gives money to those layabouts whom have no intention of finding work.
I really grinds my gears when these people moan about benefit cuts, try working and then seeing your wage get cut every month by 20%.
There is only one answer to all the moans about benefit cuts......get a job and earn your way through life.
First off, you were misinformed. Anyone who has paid the required number of National Insurance contributions is entitled to contribution based jobseekers allowance regardless of other household income or savings.

Second, if there are no benefits, what do you do if you can't work through no fault of your own? Starve?
First off, you were misinformed. Anyone who has paid the required number of National Insurance contributions is entitled to contribution based jobseekers allowance regardless of other household income or savings.

Second, if there are no benefits, what do you do if you can't work through no fault of your own? Starve?

Did I say stop benefits or did I cut the word cut.

A person needs warmth (roof over head and clothing), food and water to survive. Look around you and tell me what you see, couples on benifits. spitting out kids, living in 3 bed houses, smoking, drinking booze, eating take away meals ordered over the internet whilst watching sky/virgin tv on the whatever size wall mounted plasma/lcd tv. This alone is justification for cutting benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Reasonnotrhetoric[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Now Balls-up has shot off his big mouth and said that a Labour government would eliminate the deficit in the next parliament. That means tax rises and spending cuts of about £90 billion per annum. If you add in the fact he will spitefully reinstate the 50% tax rate - which will REDUCE the tax take from this group - it will probably amount to £95 billion. So please tell us Loopy, where the cuts will go? Benefits? Local Authorities? NHS? Defence? Environment? Education? Prisons? Pensions? Infrastructure? Energy? Railways/? Roads? . I'd LOVE to know.[/p][/quote]Do you have any other suggestions to stop the rich exploiting the massess, hoovering up all the Uk's wealth and hiding it offshore (14 trillion) while millions of workers have no choice with paye and are struggling to pay the bills?[/p][/quote]OMG people, why do you insist on blaming the wealthy whom manage to avoid paying taxes, if we (the millions of workers who have no choice) did in fact have a choice as to pay tax or not we would choose not to. I have said before i am a great believer in you should be able to keep what you earn. I once found myself out of work, on initially finding myself out of work after 24 years I never once thought about claiming benefits, it was only registering as a job seeker in the local office that prompted me being interviewed by a member of staff. Now I thought the interview was part of the process to finding new employment but it turned out they wanted info to see which benefits I could claim. 2 months passed before I managed to find new employment (no help from JobCentre) during that 2 months I was entitled to claim £0 pounds as benefits. So I had served in the military for 24 years (paid a small fortune in taxes) and I was entitled to nothing. The reason for this was because I had savings, money put aside in order to pay a deposit towards a mortgage for a home for my family once a found myself back in employment. I was told I had to live of what I had or find a job, yet the system gives money to those layabouts whom have no intention of finding work. I really grinds my gears when these people moan about benefit cuts, try working and then seeing your wage get cut every month by 20%. There is only one answer to all the moans about benefit cuts......get a job and earn your way through life.[/p][/quote]First off, you were misinformed. Anyone who has paid the required number of National Insurance contributions is entitled to contribution based jobseekers allowance regardless of other household income or savings. Second, if there are no benefits, what do you do if you can't work through no fault of your own? Starve?[/p][/quote]First off, you were misinformed. Anyone who has paid the required number of National Insurance contributions is entitled to contribution based jobseekers allowance regardless of other household income or savings. Second, if there are no benefits, what do you do if you can't work through no fault of your own? Starve? Did I say stop benefits or did I cut the word cut. A person needs warmth (roof over head and clothing), food and water to survive. Look around you and tell me what you see, couples on benifits. spitting out kids, living in 3 bed houses, smoking, drinking booze, eating take away meals ordered over the internet whilst watching sky/virgin tv on the whatever size wall mounted plasma/lcd tv. This alone is justification for cutting benefits. MartinMo
  • Score: 4

3:14pm Mon 27 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

cont.........You go about certain **** north east City and Town centres and **some (not all) 'sink Council estates' and what do you see ?. The ***********same 'hard-core' of layabout workshy ********************
********* virtually all on 'free state........ 'Dole/Housing/Welfar
e benefits', 'able bodied and fit to work'...... 'average age 28Yrs', month in, month out, all supposed to be looking for work. Some have apparently been 'looking for work' for not just months for ******* 'years on end' ********(thats if you believe in Grimms Fairy Dales), all ' feed and watered' by the Free 'Nanny' state 'workshy layabout free benefit systems'. Always the *****same punter faces*** No work ???available just who is kiddig who, there are *****JOB VACANCIES going NOW (Many with accomodation)..... in the *****ARMY, NAVY and AIR FORCE..
cont.........You go about certain **** north east City and Town centres and **some (not all) 'sink Council estates' and what do you see ?. The ***********same 'hard-core' of layabout workshy ******************** ********* virtually all on 'free state........ 'Dole/Housing/Welfar e benefits', 'able bodied and fit to work'...... 'average age 28Yrs', month in, month out, all supposed to be looking for work. Some have apparently been 'looking for work' for not just months for ******* 'years on end' ********(thats if you believe in Grimms Fairy Dales), all ' feed and watered' by the Free 'Nanny' state 'workshy layabout free benefit systems'. Always the *****same punter faces*** No work ???available just who is kiddig who, there are *****JOB VACANCIES going NOW (Many with accomodation)..... in the *****ARMY, NAVY and AIR FORCE.. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -2

3:32pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Reasonnotrhetoric says...

I consider myself to be very fortunate in that most people would now count me amoung the wealthy tax payers funding all these workshy benefit scroungers, not least because I've experienced life at the other end of the scale. In fact, I spent 4 years as a benefit scrounger and I and my family (which I already had, no additions at the taxpayer's expense) certainly did not and could not afford to smoke, booze or have Sky tv on our second hand 10 year old tv. Clearly, I wasn't very good at playing the system, though I am absolutely certain we received everything we were entitled to.
I will repeat that the only people who choose to live on benefits are those that know how to extract every penny from the system (and more) and they will also be the last to be hit by sanctions or cuts.
And before I get any negative comments, I didn't chose to be on benefits. Prior to that I'd worked every single day since I left school, paid my own way through uni to improve my family's life and even went back to work when my daughter was only 10 weeks old. I had (and still have) a life threatening illness that meant I could no longer work. I still can't work in the traditional sense but I've found a way out regardless. This is what the majority who are forced into claiming benefits do, not just sit back and enjoy the poverty.
I consider myself to be very fortunate in that most people would now count me amoung the wealthy tax payers funding all these workshy benefit scroungers, not least because I've experienced life at the other end of the scale. In fact, I spent 4 years as a benefit scrounger and I and my family (which I already had, no additions at the taxpayer's expense) certainly did not and could not afford to smoke, booze or have Sky tv on our second hand 10 year old tv. Clearly, I wasn't very good at playing the system, though I am absolutely certain we received everything we were entitled to. I will repeat that the only people who choose to live on benefits are those that know how to extract every penny from the system (and more) and they will also be the last to be hit by sanctions or cuts. And before I get any negative comments, I didn't chose to be on benefits. Prior to that I'd worked every single day since I left school, paid my own way through uni to improve my family's life and even went back to work when my daughter was only 10 weeks old. I had (and still have) a life threatening illness that meant I could no longer work. I still can't work in the traditional sense but I've found a way out regardless. This is what the majority who are forced into claiming benefits do, not just sit back and enjoy the poverty. Reasonnotrhetoric
  • Score: 4

3:41pm Mon 27 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Their days are numbered. Even Red Ed has called time and is threatening cuts. Not before time.
Their days are numbered. Even Red Ed has called time and is threatening cuts. Not before time. David Lacey
  • Score: 1

9:03pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Jonn says...

People like cushybutterfield read certain newspapers propaganda then rant on about the benefits bill and don't even know what it's spent on! How can you expect to be taken seriously when you don't even know the basics.
Here's another basic, a DWP fact, benefit fraud amounts to 0.7% of the bill.
Yes, those that commit fraud should be dealt with but there are so many bigger issues to deal with.
People like cushybutterfield read certain newspapers propaganda then rant on about the benefits bill and don't even know what it's spent on! How can you expect to be taken seriously when you don't even know the basics. Here's another basic, a DWP fact, benefit fraud amounts to 0.7% of the bill. Yes, those that commit fraud should be dealt with but there are so many bigger issues to deal with. Jonn
  • Score: 0

6:36am Tue 28 Jan 14

johnny_p says...

The law is an ****! You can quite clearly see the money's still up her jumper!
The law is an ****! You can quite clearly see the money's still up her jumper! johnny_p
  • Score: 3

8:42am Tue 28 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Jonn wrote:
People like cushybutterfield read certain newspapers propaganda then rant on about the benefits bill and don't even know what it's spent on! How can you expect to be taken seriously when you don't even know the basics.
Here's another basic, a DWP fact, benefit fraud amounts to 0.7% of the bill.
Yes, those that commit fraud should be dealt with but there are so many bigger issues to deal with.
But if left because it was a low figure it would certainly rise...

Theft is still theft, and benefit fraud is a deliberate and takes a concerted effort. Forms are completed and there are repeated checks, this meant repeated deceit and misrepresenting her situation in order to claim money that is supposed to be there for those who really need it.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: People like cushybutterfield read certain newspapers propaganda then rant on about the benefits bill and don't even know what it's spent on! How can you expect to be taken seriously when you don't even know the basics. Here's another basic, a DWP fact, benefit fraud amounts to 0.7% of the bill. Yes, those that commit fraud should be dealt with but there are so many bigger issues to deal with.[/p][/quote]But if left because it was a low figure it would certainly rise... Theft is still theft, and benefit fraud is a deliberate and takes a concerted effort. Forms are completed and there are repeated checks, this meant repeated deceit and misrepresenting her situation in order to claim money that is supposed to be there for those who really need it. Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 0

9:27am Tue 28 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

Reasonnotrhetoric wrote:
I consider myself to be very fortunate in that most people would now count me amoung the wealthy tax payers funding all these workshy benefit scroungers, not least because I've experienced life at the other end of the scale. In fact, I spent 4 years as a benefit scrounger and I and my family (which I already had, no additions at the taxpayer's expense) certainly did not and could not afford to smoke, booze or have Sky tv on our second hand 10 year old tv. Clearly, I wasn't very good at playing the system, though I am absolutely certain we received everything we were entitled to.
I will repeat that the only people who choose to live on benefits are those that know how to extract every penny from the system (and more) and they will also be the last to be hit by sanctions or cuts.
And before I get any negative comments, I didn't chose to be on benefits. Prior to that I'd worked every single day since I left school, paid my own way through uni to improve my family's life and even went back to work when my daughter was only 10 weeks old. I had (and still have) a life threatening illness that meant I could no longer work. I still can't work in the traditional sense but I've found a way out regardless. This is what the majority who are forced into claiming benefits do, not just sit back and enjoy the poverty.
Only thing I am going to jump on here is the following:
"we received everything we were entitled to."
I hate this phrase so much because every lazy layabout leech will at some point use it to try and justify what they do.

Dont get me wrong, i am sure there are some people whom should be entitled to assistance, for example, you have worked and paid taxes most of your life but through no fault of your own you find yourself out of work. You should be entitled to short term benefits to get yourself back into work. Strangest thing though, I found myself in that very position 2 years ago but was informed I was NOT entitled to nothing.

My wife is registered disabled due to severe health issues and is physically unable to work, she is in receipt of the lowest benefit awarded because I look after her but I am not entitled to claim carers allowance because I work and earn x amount before tax. People constantly go on about entitlements when talking about benefits but it would appear that those that should be entitled are the very ones who are told they cant claim.

Child tax credit is apparently an entitlement if you have kids, well I have 2 kids but get nothing because I work. Before you say you get working tax credit lets do the maths. Working tax credit I received is a sixth of the amount child tax credit would be and the money I do get from wtc was mine in the first which they took off me plus more in taxes.

The benefit system is corrupted and always works in favour of the least deserving.

I earn an annual salary and work hard to get it, surely a true entitlement would be for me to enjoy every penny I earn.
[quote][p][bold]Reasonnotrhetoric[/bold] wrote: I consider myself to be very fortunate in that most people would now count me amoung the wealthy tax payers funding all these workshy benefit scroungers, not least because I've experienced life at the other end of the scale. In fact, I spent 4 years as a benefit scrounger and I and my family (which I already had, no additions at the taxpayer's expense) certainly did not and could not afford to smoke, booze or have Sky tv on our second hand 10 year old tv. Clearly, I wasn't very good at playing the system, though I am absolutely certain we received everything we were entitled to. I will repeat that the only people who choose to live on benefits are those that know how to extract every penny from the system (and more) and they will also be the last to be hit by sanctions or cuts. And before I get any negative comments, I didn't chose to be on benefits. Prior to that I'd worked every single day since I left school, paid my own way through uni to improve my family's life and even went back to work when my daughter was only 10 weeks old. I had (and still have) a life threatening illness that meant I could no longer work. I still can't work in the traditional sense but I've found a way out regardless. This is what the majority who are forced into claiming benefits do, not just sit back and enjoy the poverty.[/p][/quote]Only thing I am going to jump on here is the following: "we received everything we were entitled to." I hate this phrase so much because every lazy layabout leech will at some point use it to try and justify what they do. Dont get me wrong, i am sure there are some people whom should be entitled to assistance, for example, you have worked and paid taxes most of your life but through no fault of your own you find yourself out of work. You should be entitled to short term benefits to get yourself back into work. Strangest thing though, I found myself in that very position 2 years ago but was informed I was NOT entitled to nothing. My wife is registered disabled due to severe health issues and is physically unable to work, she is in receipt of the lowest benefit awarded because I look after her but I am not entitled to claim carers allowance because I work and earn x amount before tax. People constantly go on about entitlements when talking about benefits but it would appear that those that should be entitled are the very ones who are told they cant claim. Child tax credit is apparently an entitlement if you have kids, well I have 2 kids but get nothing because I work. Before you say you get working tax credit lets do the maths. Working tax credit I received is a sixth of the amount child tax credit would be and the money I do get from wtc was mine in the first which they took off me plus more in taxes. The benefit system is corrupted and always works in favour of the least deserving. I earn an annual salary and work hard to get it, surely a true entitlement would be for me to enjoy every penny I earn. MartinMo
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9:29am Tue 28 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

Sorry about the double negative in my last, should have read

"NOT entitled to anything".
Sorry about the double negative in my last, should have read "NOT entitled to anything". MartinMo
  • Score: 1

9:55am Tue 28 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

"The benefit system is corrupted and always works in favour of the least deserving".
.
Never a truer word. And that is what IDS is trying to put right. Frank Field had a go but when he came up with the "unthinkable" he got the sack by his Labour masters.
"The benefit system is corrupted and always works in favour of the least deserving". . Never a truer word. And that is what IDS is trying to put right. Frank Field had a go but when he came up with the "unthinkable" he got the sack by his Labour masters. David Lacey
  • Score: 0

11:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

Jonn says...

The Banking system is also corrupt and 'hardworking taxpayers' have bailed them out.
I don't see people commenting on Northern Echo articles regarding corrupt banking practices yet we have 80 comments on a benefit scrounger. People need to get their priorities right unless they believe that corruption by bankers is acceptable. Not prepared to bite the hand that feeds me thinks.
The Banking system is also corrupt and 'hardworking taxpayers' have bailed them out. I don't see people commenting on Northern Echo articles regarding corrupt banking practices yet we have 80 comments on a benefit scrounger. People need to get their priorities right unless they believe that corruption by bankers is acceptable. Not prepared to bite the hand that feeds me thinks. Jonn
  • Score: -1

12:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Jonn wrote:
The Banking system is also corrupt and 'hardworking taxpayers' have bailed them out.
I don't see people commenting on Northern Echo articles regarding corrupt banking practices yet we have 80 comments on a benefit scrounger. People need to get their priorities right unless they believe that corruption by bankers is acceptable. Not prepared to bite the hand that feeds me thinks.
No, corruption is not acceptable.... But this story is not about that

This story is about a convicted criminal who has stolen from the benefits system by repeatedly misleading and misrepresenting her situation in order obtain public money outside.

It's not people' on here's priorities that need to right, we are unable to regulate banks directly. What we can do is shop people stealing benefits.

People that take money they don't need or are entitled to are below contempt, unless of course you support this woman's actions and think the benefits system is fair game??
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: The Banking system is also corrupt and 'hardworking taxpayers' have bailed them out. I don't see people commenting on Northern Echo articles regarding corrupt banking practices yet we have 80 comments on a benefit scrounger. People need to get their priorities right unless they believe that corruption by bankers is acceptable. Not prepared to bite the hand that feeds me thinks.[/p][/quote]No, corruption is not acceptable.... But this story is not about that This story is about a convicted criminal who has stolen from the benefits system by repeatedly misleading and misrepresenting her situation in order obtain public money outside. It's not people' on here's priorities that need to right, we are unable to regulate banks directly. What we can do is shop people stealing benefits. People that take money they don't need or are entitled to are below contempt, unless of course you support this woman's actions and think the benefits system is fair game?? Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 2

12:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Jonn wrote:
The Banking system is also corrupt and 'hardworking taxpayers' have bailed them out.
I don't see people commenting on Northern Echo articles regarding corrupt banking practices yet we have 80 comments on a benefit scrounger. People need to get their priorities right unless they believe that corruption by bankers is acceptable. Not prepared to bite the hand that feeds me thinks.
No, corruption is not acceptable.... But this story is not about that

This story is about a convicted criminal who has stolen from the benefits system by repeatedly misleading and misrepresenting her situation in order obtain public money outside.

It's not people' on here's priorities that need to right, we are unable to regulate banks directly. What we can do is shop people stealing benefits.

People that take money they don't need or are entitled to are below contempt, unless of course you support this woman's actions and think the benefits system is fair game??
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: The Banking system is also corrupt and 'hardworking taxpayers' have bailed them out. I don't see people commenting on Northern Echo articles regarding corrupt banking practices yet we have 80 comments on a benefit scrounger. People need to get their priorities right unless they believe that corruption by bankers is acceptable. Not prepared to bite the hand that feeds me thinks.[/p][/quote]No, corruption is not acceptable.... But this story is not about that This story is about a convicted criminal who has stolen from the benefits system by repeatedly misleading and misrepresenting her situation in order obtain public money outside. It's not people' on here's priorities that need to right, we are unable to regulate banks directly. What we can do is shop people stealing benefits. People that take money they don't need or are entitled to are below contempt, unless of course you support this woman's actions and think the benefits system is fair game?? Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

bishoplass says...

sineater wrote:
T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!!
i agree with you totally. i am educated, look for work and have been for the last two years. i am reduced to surviving on benefits although i have worked all my life and wish to work again. but you do not live the life of leisure on benefits. by the time i pay the necessities...bedroo
m tax, gas, electric and yes internet so i can look for work on line to keep my benefits from being sanctioned for not meeting the quota of jobs we are expected to apply for, i am dependent on friends for money for food. it is no life and i can understand why some people 'fiddle'. not because they don't want to work but because they cannot find work. and if anyone takes offense to what i am saying, then by all means offer me a full time job even at minimum wage and i will gladly take it!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: T.h.o setting this case aside in general what would you have a person do? you have qualifications ,you apply for lots of vacancies, no luck,your benefits are reduced to pay off the debt the banks created , you don't have enough to pay your bills do you just give up starve and die or commit suicide like some have been pressurised into doing ? Will that do to keep peoples hands off your precious tax money people like you Lacey and co make me sick,ordinary working people didn't cause the problems of the country but they have to take the brunt of every thing. And recently we found out that a lot of people ,and at least one of those who killed themselves should not have had their benefits cut and all you can talk about is your precious precious tax money ,o how I feel sorry for you ,I bet all those people who are missing meals feel really sory for you . Yes we know staling is illegal ,but people have to survive,if only to see Cameron and co's faces when they get voted out !!![/p][/quote]i agree with you totally. i am educated, look for work and have been for the last two years. i am reduced to surviving on benefits although i have worked all my life and wish to work again. but you do not live the life of leisure on benefits. by the time i pay the necessities...bedroo m tax, gas, electric and yes internet so i can look for work on line to keep my benefits from being sanctioned for not meeting the quota of jobs we are expected to apply for, i am dependent on friends for money for food. it is no life and i can understand why some people 'fiddle'. not because they don't want to work but because they cannot find work. and if anyone takes offense to what i am saying, then by all means offer me a full time job even at minimum wage and i will gladly take it! bishoplass
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Good luck bishoplass. I hope that you are back into decent employment ASAP. Folks like you DON'T GET ENOUGH SUPPORT. That's because so much is wasted on scroungers like the person who stole £70,000 from you and me and is the subject of this column.
Good luck bishoplass. I hope that you are back into decent employment ASAP. Folks like you DON'T GET ENOUGH SUPPORT. That's because so much is wasted on scroungers like the person who stole £70,000 from you and me and is the subject of this column. David Lacey
  • Score: 0

1:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

So this benefit cheat gets free **** 16,OOO Pounds a*** Month **plus for nowt (nothing), 'doing no work' and its a fair bet across the whole of Britain you could *****mutiply similar cons by Hundreds of Thousands, costing the*** working British Taxpayer untold MILLIONS. I wonder if she also got Free Legal Aid ?...........Eh.
So this benefit cheat gets free **** 16,OOO Pounds a*** Month **plus for nowt (nothing), 'doing no work' and its a fair bet across the whole of Britain you could *****mutiply similar cons by Hundreds of Thousands, costing the*** working British Taxpayer untold MILLIONS. I wonder if she also got Free Legal Aid ?...........Eh. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Tue 28 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

Quote from Bishoplass, "I can understand why some people fiddle"

In relation to the main topics now in discussion you are justify'ing fraud/theft as a means of getting by. So if I feel as though I need more in order to survive I should be able to rob a bank, mug someone on the street without fear of punishment. People who defraud the benifit system are nothing more than thieves (stealing from the hardworking taxpayer), no better than the average mugger or bank robber and should be punished accordingly.

I could not afford to send my kid on a school trip which cost £700 due to the taxation on my salary, I would have liked too have sent her and she would have loved to have gone, especially since several off the kids going on the trip come from families claiming benefits and it was only costing them £70 to go, maybe I should have robbed the local post office in order to send her.

BTW Bishoplass, please dont state how hard you have it when you own a computer and are paying an internet subscription when those two items as far as I am concerned are luxoury items. You did not need home internet to job search, every job centre supplies terminals and internet to carry that task out. Benefits should cover the basics of roof over head and clothing for warmth as well as food and water to survive.. If you are in receipt of cash that enables you to do more than that then you are getting too much.

If you are educated then why are you finding it hard to find employment, I see jobs advertised everywhere. I found employment in just 2 months after being made redundant from my previous position of 24 years. I have since found different employment closer to my place of residence. Since my 16th birthday I have been out of work for 2 months and have never claimed a single day in benefits.
Quote from Bishoplass, "I can understand why some people fiddle" In relation to the main topics now in discussion you are justify'ing fraud/theft as a means of getting by. So if I feel as though I need more in order to survive I should be able to rob a bank, mug someone on the street without fear of punishment. People who defraud the benifit system are nothing more than thieves (stealing from the hardworking taxpayer), no better than the average mugger or bank robber and should be punished accordingly. I could not afford to send my kid on a school trip which cost £700 due to the taxation on my salary, I would have liked too have sent her and she would have loved to have gone, especially since several off the kids going on the trip come from families claiming benefits and it was only costing them £70 to go, maybe I should have robbed the local post office in order to send her. BTW Bishoplass, please dont state how hard you have it when you own a computer and are paying an internet subscription when those two items as far as I am concerned are luxoury items. You did not need home internet to job search, every job centre supplies terminals and internet to carry that task out. Benefits should cover the basics of roof over head and clothing for warmth as well as food and water to survive.. If you are in receipt of cash that enables you to do more than that then you are getting too much. If you are educated then why are you finding it hard to find employment, I see jobs advertised everywhere. I found employment in just 2 months after being made redundant from my previous position of 24 years. I have since found different employment closer to my place of residence. Since my 16th birthday I have been out of work for 2 months and have never claimed a single day in benefits. MartinMo
  • Score: 1

2:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Reasonnotrhetoric says...

MartinMo wrote:
Quote from Bishoplass, "I can understand why some people fiddle"

In relation to the main topics now in discussion you are justify'ing fraud/theft as a means of getting by. So if I feel as though I need more in order to survive I should be able to rob a bank, mug someone on the street without fear of punishment. People who defraud the benifit system are nothing more than thieves (stealing from the hardworking taxpayer), no better than the average mugger or bank robber and should be punished accordingly.

I could not afford to send my kid on a school trip which cost £700 due to the taxation on my salary, I would have liked too have sent her and she would have loved to have gone, especially since several off the kids going on the trip come from families claiming benefits and it was only costing them £70 to go, maybe I should have robbed the local post office in order to send her.

BTW Bishoplass, please dont state how hard you have it when you own a computer and are paying an internet subscription when those two items as far as I am concerned are luxoury items. You did not need home internet to job search, every job centre supplies terminals and internet to carry that task out. Benefits should cover the basics of roof over head and clothing for warmth as well as food and water to survive.. If you are in receipt of cash that enables you to do more than that then you are getting too much.

If you are educated then why are you finding it hard to find employment, I see jobs advertised everywhere. I found employment in just 2 months after being made redundant from my previous position of 24 years. I have since found different employment closer to my place of residence. Since my 16th birthday I have been out of work for 2 months and have never claimed a single day in benefits.
Can you do some simple maths? There are at least 2.32 million people unemployed but less than half a million vacancies, and most of those are part time or zero hours contracts even when the jobs are genuine. There simply aren't enough jobs to go around no matter how educated or otherwise someone is, and implying that anyone isn't really trying is insulting.
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: Quote from Bishoplass, "I can understand why some people fiddle" In relation to the main topics now in discussion you are justify'ing fraud/theft as a means of getting by. So if I feel as though I need more in order to survive I should be able to rob a bank, mug someone on the street without fear of punishment. People who defraud the benifit system are nothing more than thieves (stealing from the hardworking taxpayer), no better than the average mugger or bank robber and should be punished accordingly. I could not afford to send my kid on a school trip which cost £700 due to the taxation on my salary, I would have liked too have sent her and she would have loved to have gone, especially since several off the kids going on the trip come from families claiming benefits and it was only costing them £70 to go, maybe I should have robbed the local post office in order to send her. BTW Bishoplass, please dont state how hard you have it when you own a computer and are paying an internet subscription when those two items as far as I am concerned are luxoury items. You did not need home internet to job search, every job centre supplies terminals and internet to carry that task out. Benefits should cover the basics of roof over head and clothing for warmth as well as food and water to survive.. If you are in receipt of cash that enables you to do more than that then you are getting too much. If you are educated then why are you finding it hard to find employment, I see jobs advertised everywhere. I found employment in just 2 months after being made redundant from my previous position of 24 years. I have since found different employment closer to my place of residence. Since my 16th birthday I have been out of work for 2 months and have never claimed a single day in benefits.[/p][/quote]Can you do some simple maths? There are at least 2.32 million people unemployed but less than half a million vacancies, and most of those are part time or zero hours contracts even when the jobs are genuine. There simply aren't enough jobs to go around no matter how educated or otherwise someone is, and implying that anyone isn't really trying is insulting. Reasonnotrhetoric
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Tue 28 Jan 14

MartinMo says...

"Can you do some simple maths? There are at least 2.32 million people unemployed but less than half a million vacancies, and most of those are part time or zero hours contracts even when the jobs are genuine. There simply aren't enough jobs to go around no matter how educated or otherwise someone is, and implying that anyone isn't really trying is insulting."

If you can give a little more info then doing the maths would be simpler:

1. Out of 2.32 million people out of work, what % is actively looking for work with the intention of taking on employment. There seems to be a lot of people when offered employment opertunities by the local centres take one look at the salary and state "they are better off on benefits".
2. Out of the % of people actually wanting to find work and not just going through the motions in order to keep receiving benefits are actually quallified to take on the position.

You could continue breaking this down but yes your right, there will still more than likely be less employment vacancies than people wanting to find work but on the other hand, employment vacancies and actual qualified individuals are more evened out.

I was informed that when I applied for my now current position they had only received 9 applicants (amazing given the amount of unemployed looking for work in the North East) and out of the 9 only 4 were qualified enough to take on the role and out of the 4, well we were all currently employed.

So, doing the maths, out of work qualified people whom applied for this position = 0 out of the 2.32million unemployed.

Plus you only really find it insulting if in fact you are not really trying.
"Can you do some simple maths? There are at least 2.32 million people unemployed but less than half a million vacancies, and most of those are part time or zero hours contracts even when the jobs are genuine. There simply aren't enough jobs to go around no matter how educated or otherwise someone is, and implying that anyone isn't really trying is insulting." If you can give a little more info then doing the maths would be simpler: 1. Out of 2.32 million people out of work, what % is actively looking for work with the intention of taking on employment. There seems to be a lot of people when offered employment opertunities by the local centres take one look at the salary and state "they are better off on benefits". 2. Out of the % of people actually wanting to find work and not just going through the motions in order to keep receiving benefits are actually quallified to take on the position. You could continue breaking this down but yes your right, there will still more than likely be less employment vacancies than people wanting to find work but on the other hand, employment vacancies and actual qualified individuals are more evened out. I was informed that when I applied for my now current position they had only received 9 applicants (amazing given the amount of unemployed looking for work in the North East) and out of the 9 only 4 were qualified enough to take on the role and out of the 4, well we were all currently employed. So, doing the maths, out of work qualified people whom applied for this position = 0 out of the 2.32million unemployed. Plus you only really find it insulting if in fact you are not really trying. MartinMo
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Reasonnotrhetoric says...

Or turning it around, 2.32 million unemployed that the government want us to know about, plus all the people sanctioned for daring to go to a job interview rather than the job centre or all the other spurious reasons, plus the people refused job seekers because, whether they want to claim or not, they're entitled to some other benefit, plus all the people who are living off their savings rather than be labelled a 'benefit scrounger' etc, etc
Then less than half a million vacancies is also the governments statistics. A quick look on 'Universal Jobmatch' shows that about half of the vacancies on there are obviously not genuine or are for 5 or less hours a week, so in fact, there are probably only vacancies available for less than 1 in 10 of those claiming jobseekers allowance, never mind the real total unemployed.
Going a step further, again using the governments own statistices, about 1 in 50 of those claiming jobseekers allowance have no intention of actually taking a job, so the government accepts that 49 out of 50 are genuine jobseekers, but there are only jobs for 5 of them.
Recent vacancies for jobs which don't need specialist qualifications have attracted in excess of 500 applicants. The only vacancies for which there are less than 50 applicants are those needing very specific experience or qualifcations. Out of those applicants, all of the ones without the necessary experienc or qualifications have been forced to apply for a totally unsuitable job by DWP under threat of sanctions.
Or turning it around, 2.32 million unemployed that the government want us to know about, plus all the people sanctioned for daring to go to a job interview rather than the job centre or all the other spurious reasons, plus the people refused job seekers because, whether they want to claim or not, they're entitled to some other benefit, plus all the people who are living off their savings rather than be labelled a 'benefit scrounger' etc, etc Then less than half a million vacancies is also the governments statistics. A quick look on 'Universal Jobmatch' shows that about half of the vacancies on there are obviously not genuine or are for 5 or less hours a week, so in fact, there are probably only vacancies available for less than 1 in 10 of those claiming jobseekers allowance, never mind the real total unemployed. Going a step further, again using the governments own statistices, about 1 in 50 of those claiming jobseekers allowance have no intention of actually taking a job, so the government accepts that 49 out of 50 are genuine jobseekers, but there are only jobs for 5 of them. Recent vacancies for jobs which don't need specialist qualifications have attracted in excess of 500 applicants. The only vacancies for which there are less than 50 applicants are those needing very specific experience or qualifcations. Out of those applicants, all of the ones without the necessary experienc or qualifications have been forced to apply for a totally unsuitable job by DWP under threat of sanctions. Reasonnotrhetoric
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Tue 28 Jan 14

bishoplass says...

David Lacey wrote:
Good luck bishoplass. I hope that you are back into decent employment ASAP. Folks like you DON'T GET ENOUGH SUPPORT. That's because so much is wasted on scroungers like the person who stole £70,000 from you and me and is the subject of this column.
thanks. and i need all the luck i can get. have been like this for two years and have applied for over 3000 jobs. gone to every training program offered. CV 'dumbed down'. but i cannot make myself younger and that is a problem as well. but i appreciate your support! i hate being on benefits but have no choice. the irony of it is, the ones who abuse the system will still find a way. it is only those of us who are honest are penalized by all the sanctions and cuts!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Good luck bishoplass. I hope that you are back into decent employment ASAP. Folks like you DON'T GET ENOUGH SUPPORT. That's because so much is wasted on scroungers like the person who stole £70,000 from you and me and is the subject of this column.[/p][/quote]thanks. and i need all the luck i can get. have been like this for two years and have applied for over 3000 jobs. gone to every training program offered. CV 'dumbed down'. but i cannot make myself younger and that is a problem as well. but i appreciate your support! i hate being on benefits but have no choice. the irony of it is, the ones who abuse the system will still find a way. it is only those of us who are honest are penalized by all the sanctions and cuts!!!!! bishoplass
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Tue 28 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Martin Mo.....****Fair enough (****All politics apart****, I know its difficult), lets stick with ...say the 2.32 Million out of work, I am not being nasty but honest, its a fair bet you can ****subtract say about 'three quarters percent off' .....the figure, namely from that 2.32 Million unemployed' for people that have 'no intention of working and never have by choice', by choice, I am talking about a 'canny few people' (nationally running into some ( 'hundreds of thousands and more) who for years (***some for decades) ..****avoid work at all costs**** whether it be the 'long term workshy, 'maligering layabout fiddlers' , so called travellers, some (not all of course), 'dubious unemployed immigrants' and 'con merchants' etc, etc, and if anybody says they don't exist, well I strongly suggest they are being very **** 'economical with the truth****' and/or have a distinct political bias. So therefore I reckon again,.... that leaves in total about 'One and a half million or less (even if that) nationally of genuine unemployed.
Martin Mo.....****Fair enough (****All politics apart****, I know its difficult), lets stick with ...say the 2.32 Million out of work, I am not being nasty but honest, its a fair bet you can ****subtract say about 'three quarters percent off' .....the figure, namely from that 2.32 Million unemployed' for people that have 'no intention of working and never have by choice', by choice, I am talking about a 'canny few people' (nationally running into some ( 'hundreds of thousands and more) who for years (***some for decades) ..****avoid work at all costs**** whether it be the 'long term workshy, 'maligering layabout fiddlers' , so called travellers, some (not all of course), 'dubious unemployed immigrants' and 'con merchants' etc, etc, and if anybody says they don't exist, well I strongly suggest they are being very **** 'economical with the truth****' and/or have a distinct political bias. So therefore I reckon again,.... that leaves in total about 'One and a half million or less (even if that) nationally of genuine unemployed. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

1:11pm Wed 29 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

******Benefit News Update.....*****.'As
ylum Seekers'**** who have arrived in Britain, for ' Free British 'Nanny State benefits' including their accomodation, 'watering and feeding', now costs a total of over £4OO MILLION a year (and 'still rising'). In addition Britain, has this year provided ****record.... 'Overseas Aid' costing further untold MILLIONS. All paid for by you and I the British *****working Taxpayer****. Further more their is a distinct 'political pre-arranged silence' on the further two million eastern europeon immigrant hitting our shores now. Why ?.... because it is with 'decent working class Voter' a 'Political economical with the truth, ***** Hot potatoe***....which will soon ****cripple the British Housing, Welfare, 'NHS' and Benefit Systems.
******Benefit News Update.....*****.'As ylum Seekers'**** who have arrived in Britain, for ' Free British 'Nanny State benefits' including their accomodation, 'watering and feeding', now costs a total of over £4OO MILLION a year (and 'still rising'). In addition Britain, has this year provided ****record.... 'Overseas Aid' costing further untold MILLIONS. All paid for by you and I the British *****working Taxpayer****. Further more their is a distinct 'political pre-arranged silence' on the further two million eastern europeon immigrant hitting our shores now. Why ?.... because it is with 'decent working class Voter' a 'Political economical with the truth, ***** Hot potatoe***....which will soon ****cripple the British Housing, Welfare, 'NHS' and Benefit Systems. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

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