Pickles brands region's council's 'barmy' for fortnightly bin collections

The Northern Echo: Eric Pickles Eric Pickles

ERIC Pickles has branded most North-East council chiefs “barmy” for getting rid of weekly bin collections.

The Local Government Secretary published a new report designed to demolish “myths” about the alleged costs of sticking with waste rounds every seven days.

It insists supporters of fortnightly collections – now widely adopted across the region – are wrong to argue they are necessary to save cash and boost recycling.

In fact, Mr Pickles claimed that:

  •  “Numerous” councils manage to recycle more than half of all rubbish while maintaining weekly collections.
  • Innovate councils have been able to do so “at little or no extra cost”.
  • Surveys had found that 95 per cent of residents wanted their rubbish picked up every week.

Attacking “barmy bin policies which made families’ lives hell”, Mr Pickles said: “People deserve a comprehensive weekly service in return for their taxes.

“We have exposed ten false fictions that fortnightly bin barons cling to as excuses for cutting services.

“If councils adopt this new guide as their ‘bin bible’, they will be able to save taxpayers’ money and still increase the frequency and quality of rubbish and recycling collections.”

However, the claims have been consistently rejected by both experts and local authorities that have made the switch to weekly collections.

And, in reality, Mr Pickles appears to have lost the battle to persuade town halls – including Conservative ones - to bring them back.

Durham County Council switched to alternate weekly collections of waste and recycling in 2012 – and recycled 1,600 extra lorry loads of rubbish in the first year.

Darlington is poised to make the same switch after more than half of residents who responded to public consultation said they were unconcerned.

Only 573 people commented on the changes, which are expected to save the council about £390,000 a year and are due to go head from October this year.

Hartlepool, Redcar and Cleveland, Gateshead, Newcastle and all the district councils in North Yorkshire also collect waste fortnightly.

That means only Middlesbrough, Stockton-on-Tees and Sunderland have heeded Mr Pickles’ repeated pleas.

A £250m fund was dangled in front of town halls, but was instead gobbled up by councils that already picked up rubbish every seven days, in order to boost recycling.

They included Middlesbrough, which, the report said, had eagerly grabbed a slice of the cash on offer.

It quotes a councillor responsible for waste service as saying: “This is fantastic news which will be welcomed by people across Middlesbrough who have told us how much they value weekly bin collections.”

Mr Pickles once famously said: “It's a basic right for every English man and woman to be able to put the remnants of their chicken tikka masala in their bin without having to wait a fortnight for it to be collected.”

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8:15am Tue 7 Jan 14

MagicAlf says...

If I'm honest, the worst thing about fortnightly collections is remembering which bin is to go out. Other than that, there has been no smell, no vermin and the residual waste bin only gets half full in a fortnight from a family of 3.

I would much rather the council repaired the potholes iny street.
If I'm honest, the worst thing about fortnightly collections is remembering which bin is to go out. Other than that, there has been no smell, no vermin and the residual waste bin only gets half full in a fortnight from a family of 3. I would much rather the council repaired the potholes iny street. MagicAlf

8:23am Tue 7 Jan 14

huychy says...

So, since I'm now getting only half of the rubbish (pun intended) service I pay for, can I have a partial refund of my taxes? Thought not.
So, since I'm now getting only half of the rubbish (pun intended) service I pay for, can I have a partial refund of my taxes? Thought not. huychy

8:29am Tue 7 Jan 14

Boroboy01 says...

All they do is encourage you to dump as the bins are filled in no time at all, if we have to recycle then collect recycling weekly
All they do is encourage you to dump as the bins are filled in no time at all, if we have to recycle then collect recycling weekly Boroboy01

8:53am Tue 7 Jan 14

charliebrown1 says...

i dont mind doing the fortnightly, I object to having two bins stuck in my teeny tiny back yard (there is hardly any room for the one I have at the moment)
i dont mind doing the fortnightly, I object to having two bins stuck in my teeny tiny back yard (there is hardly any room for the one I have at the moment) charliebrown1

9:02am Tue 7 Jan 14

MSG says...

Less than 600 people out of a borough population of 102,000 means the consultation failed ! Also, 53% to 46% is hardly a rining endorsement of the change.

I say get rid of the councils Chief Executive on £180,000 a year is a better way of saving money !
Less than 600 people out of a borough population of 102,000 means the consultation failed ! Also, 53% to 46% is hardly a rining endorsement of the change. I say get rid of the councils Chief Executive on £180,000 a year is a better way of saving money ! MSG

9:15am Tue 7 Jan 14

Copley23 says...

When was this report published and why is the Echo printing this now?
To whip up more fervour methinx :-/
When was this report published and why is the Echo printing this now? To whip up more fervour methinx :-/ Copley23

9:24am Tue 7 Jan 14

shadow35 says...

Go on pickles about time someone said something about the councils. Darlington could not cope if it went to fortnightly I already get mice if one binbag is left out. The wheely bins are TOO SMALL. They can not take a fortnights worth of rubbish.
Go on pickles about time someone said something about the councils. Darlington could not cope if it went to fortnightly I already get mice if one binbag is left out. The wheely bins are TOO SMALL. They can not take a fortnights worth of rubbish. shadow35

10:19am Tue 7 Jan 14

oliviaden6 says...

Can only agree with Mr Pickles. If he is worth his salt he will impose weekly collections on DBC but i bet Bill and His Buddies have other ideas how screw us even more. I suppose the next thing will be the mandatory 2% rise in the rates so they do not have to ask the electorate COWARDS! We seem to pay more and more for our services from the borough but in real terms we seem to get less and less. Bad management and waste and we dont care attitude on the councils behalf.
Can only agree with Mr Pickles. If he is worth his salt he will impose weekly collections on DBC but i bet Bill and His Buddies have other ideas how screw us even more. I suppose the next thing will be the mandatory 2% rise in the rates so they do not have to ask the electorate COWARDS! We seem to pay more and more for our services from the borough but in real terms we seem to get less and less. Bad management and waste and we dont care attitude on the councils behalf. oliviaden6

10:22am Tue 7 Jan 14

oliviaden6 says...

There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that????????????????
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There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ?? oliviaden6

11:10am Tue 7 Jan 14

andygib263 says...

It was published in the town crier, northern echo and darlington council website
It was published in the town crier, northern echo and darlington council website andygib263

11:17am Tue 7 Jan 14

miketually says...

oliviaden6 wrote:
There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that????????????????

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As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
[quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area. miketually

11:18am Tue 7 Jan 14

miketually says...

shadow35 wrote:
Go on pickles about time someone said something about the councils. Darlington could not cope if it went to fortnightly I already get mice if one binbag is left out. The wheely bins are TOO SMALL. They can not take a fortnights worth of rubbish.
The current bin will not be having metal, plastic, or Tetrapaks put into it, as it does now.
[quote][p][bold]shadow35[/bold] wrote: Go on pickles about time someone said something about the councils. Darlington could not cope if it went to fortnightly I already get mice if one binbag is left out. The wheely bins are TOO SMALL. They can not take a fortnights worth of rubbish.[/p][/quote]The current bin will not be having metal, plastic, or Tetrapaks put into it, as it does now. miketually

11:57am Tue 7 Jan 14

sineater says...

Pickles cuts funding ,but demands same service,,the government cuts funding to health service then berates health service for not being able to maintain service ,can you see thread here? or are you happy with the government destroying public services ?
Pickles cuts funding ,but demands same service,,the government cuts funding to health service then berates health service for not being able to maintain service ,can you see thread here? or are you happy with the government destroying public services ? sineater

12:13pm Tue 7 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Every private sector organisation IN THE WORLD reduces costs and improves efficiency. Failure to do so and they go out of business. The same rules should apply in the public sector.
Every private sector organisation IN THE WORLD reduces costs and improves efficiency. Failure to do so and they go out of business. The same rules should apply in the public sector. David Lacey

12:29pm Tue 7 Jan 14

sineater says...

But this government want private sector companies to to be contracted to provide these services, there is no need for weekly bin collections,and many people will have no health care if the tories get their way with the health service. People cannot find the cash for rent,gas,and electric,never mind healthcare,of course David,will say that is not the governments aim,as far as health care id concerned,but can you believe anything Cameron and co say, lying is seen as just another tool to get what they want.
But this government want private sector companies to to be contracted to provide these services, there is no need for weekly bin collections,and many people will have no health care if the tories get their way with the health service. People cannot find the cash for rent,gas,and electric,never mind healthcare,of course David,will say that is not the governments aim,as far as health care id concerned,but can you believe anything Cameron and co say, lying is seen as just another tool to get what they want. sineater

12:39pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Alan Macnab says...

Hear Hear David Lacey. There are flats in my ward where a bin compound was constructed by the Council out the front for the wheelie bins provided last year and there is no room for the extra ones. Similarly flats in another part of the ward have a yard at the rear of the properties and it has just sufficient space for the existing wheelie bins and again there is no room for the new ones. So where are they going to be stored? That will be a major problem.
Hear Hear David Lacey. There are flats in my ward where a bin compound was constructed by the Council out the front for the wheelie bins provided last year and there is no room for the extra ones. Similarly flats in another part of the ward have a yard at the rear of the properties and it has just sufficient space for the existing wheelie bins and again there is no room for the new ones. So where are they going to be stored? That will be a major problem. Alan Macnab

12:54pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote:
There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that????????????????


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As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people.

A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst. Homshaw1

1:05pm Tue 7 Jan 14

miketually says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote:
There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that????????????????



??
As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people.

A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me.

Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost?

The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.[/p][/quote]That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant. miketually

1:09pm Tue 7 Jan 14

D. Hop says...

The only place to store my bin is either the garage or the front of the house as there is no access at the rear. I feel (as do many others) storage on the front street is unsightly, therefore I choose to store mine in the garage. My garage is linked via a door to my kitchen. The bin smells at the end of the week, so what will it smell like after 2 weeks??? Is health and safety for the home owner considered? It appears not!!
The only place to store my bin is either the garage or the front of the house as there is no access at the rear. I feel (as do many others) storage on the front street is unsightly, therefore I choose to store mine in the garage. My garage is linked via a door to my kitchen. The bin smells at the end of the week, so what will it smell like after 2 weeks??? Is health and safety for the home owner considered? It appears not!! D. Hop

1:27pm Tue 7 Jan 14

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote:
There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that????????????????




??
As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people.

A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me.

Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost?

The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.
Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.[/p][/quote]That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.[/p][/quote]Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp? thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth

2:29pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Copley23 says...

thetruththewholetrut
handnothingbutthetru
th
wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote:
There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that????????????????





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As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people.

A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me.

Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost?

The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.
Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
Absolute rubbish.

Even the folk that come under DCC have been commenting on may many threads about the wheelie bin malarky. It's been going on for months.

Maybe the Darlo folk are so sick of hearing from DBC that they switch off. I know I would.
[quote][p][bold]thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.[/p][/quote]That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.[/p][/quote]Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. Even the folk that come under DCC have been commenting on may many threads about the wheelie bin malarky. It's been going on for months. Maybe the Darlo folk are so sick of hearing from DBC that they switch off. I know I would. Copley23

2:44pm Tue 7 Jan 14

miketually says...

thetruththewholetrut
handnothingbutthetru
th
wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote:
There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that????????????????





??
As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people.

A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me.

Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost?

The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.
Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care?

If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used.

I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town.
[quote][p][bold]thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.[/p][/quote]That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.[/p][/quote]Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?[/p][/quote]Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care? If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town. miketually

3:37pm Tue 7 Jan 14

BMD says...

miketually says...If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used.

They sent me an expensive “Local Motion” Christmas card, which promptly followed the Darlington Together Magazine into the wheelie bin.

It is therefore proven the council can waste money writing to each household.
miketually says...If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. They sent me an expensive “Local Motion” Christmas card, which promptly followed the Darlington Together Magazine into the wheelie bin. It is therefore proven the council can waste money writing to each household. BMD

4:13pm Tue 7 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

'Lack of services', akin to living in a Third World Country with pathetic Council Sevices. I know from a fact that a fair percentage of 'Recyced Items are after 'council collection' are ***not recycled, they are dumped in **landfill holes in the ground by certain Councils. 'Green issues' a load of brainwashing liberal codswallop and hype when most Councils are concerned.
'Lack of services', akin to living in a Third World Country with pathetic Council Sevices. I know from a fact that a fair percentage of 'Recyced Items are after 'council collection' are ***not recycled, they are dumped in **landfill holes in the ground by certain Councils. 'Green issues' a load of brainwashing liberal codswallop and hype when most Councils are concerned. cushybutterfield

12:10pm Wed 8 Jan 14

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

miketually wrote:
thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??
As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.
Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care? If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town.
Doesn't that propaganda magazine Local Motion get delivered to every household?

The council are more than adept at wasting my money, so why didn't they write to everyone regarding the wheely bins?

This council, like you are very selective about these things.
Anyone would think you were in their employ/pocket!
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.[/p][/quote]That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.[/p][/quote]Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?[/p][/quote]Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care? If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town.[/p][/quote]Doesn't that propaganda magazine Local Motion get delivered to every household? The council are more than adept at wasting my money, so why didn't they write to everyone regarding the wheely bins? This council, like you are very selective about these things. Anyone would think you were in their employ/pocket! thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth

3:46pm Wed 8 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Al Councils should be renamed the........***** Cushy Job Society*******Workin
g Hours and Conditions run around Council Vehicles with Radio, ***** which would make a tortoise envious.............
....................
..(But of Course certain 'brainwashed Unions' are never satisfield, even if the minimum wage was a £1OO per Hour, they would all want 'more' and yet 'shorter' working Hours, but not any extra work......... (Just how 'Short' can one get).?....Councils have ..never had it so good whoever says otherwise needs a reality check.
Al Councils should be renamed the........***** Cushy Job Society*******Workin g Hours and Conditions run around Council Vehicles with Radio, ***** which would make a tortoise envious............. .................... ..(But of Course certain 'brainwashed Unions' are never satisfield, even if the minimum wage was a £1OO per Hour, they would all want 'more' and yet 'shorter' working Hours, but not any extra work......... (Just how 'Short' can one get).?....Councils have ..never had it so good whoever says otherwise needs a reality check. cushybutterfield

3:57pm Wed 8 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

It taken me just *****Four MONTHS****** to get a new Council Litter Bin placed at a Public Litter Grot Spot, after repeated ' request after request', 'after request', after request. *****times 2O****. Yawn and Yawn again. I have great difficulty now sleeping at night at the sight because of the sheer excitement of my ***great public ***** achievement and have taken photographs of the 'said litter bin' from different angles. The only problem now is how to ensure this months overdue 'Public Council Litter Bin' is emptied on a regular basis and is not left regularly overflowing with smelly litter.
It taken me just *****Four MONTHS****** to get a new Council Litter Bin placed at a Public Litter Grot Spot, after repeated ' request after request', 'after request', after request. *****times 2O****. Yawn and Yawn again. I have great difficulty now sleeping at night at the sight because of the sheer excitement of my ***great public ***** achievement and have taken photographs of the 'said litter bin' from different angles. The only problem now is how to ensure this months overdue 'Public Council Litter Bin' is emptied on a regular basis and is not left regularly overflowing with smelly litter. cushybutterfield

4:48pm Wed 8 Jan 14

miketually says...

thetruththewholetrut
handnothingbutthetru
th
wrote:
miketually wrote:
thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??
As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.
Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care? If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town.
Doesn't that propaganda magazine Local Motion get delivered to every household?

The council are more than adept at wasting my money, so why didn't they write to everyone regarding the wheely bins?

This council, like you are very selective about these things.
Anyone would think you were in their employ/pocket!
The magazine does get delivered to every house: it contained details of the bin consultation, so the council did tell everyone. Some people chose to not read it, and chose to not respond.

And, I'm not employed by the council. As someone said on another article, not everyone in the town thinks the council are doing a bad job.
[quote][p][bold]thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.[/p][/quote]That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.[/p][/quote]Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?[/p][/quote]Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care? If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town.[/p][/quote]Doesn't that propaganda magazine Local Motion get delivered to every household? The council are more than adept at wasting my money, so why didn't they write to everyone regarding the wheely bins? This council, like you are very selective about these things. Anyone would think you were in their employ/pocket![/p][/quote]The magazine does get delivered to every house: it contained details of the bin consultation, so the council did tell everyone. Some people chose to not read it, and chose to not respond. And, I'm not employed by the council. As someone said on another article, not everyone in the town thinks the council are doing a bad job. miketually

8:27pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Lifetime Townie says...

MSG wrote:
Less than 600 people out of a borough population of 102,000 means the consultation failed ! Also, 53% to 46% is hardly a rining endorsement of the change.

I say get rid of the councils Chief Executive on £180,000 a year is a better way of saving money !
What consultation? It is no wonder that there was a low turnout when hardly anyone knew about the consultation. Typical council publicity in their favour.
[quote][p][bold]MSG[/bold] wrote: Less than 600 people out of a borough population of 102,000 means the consultation failed ! Also, 53% to 46% is hardly a rining endorsement of the change. I say get rid of the councils Chief Executive on £180,000 a year is a better way of saving money ![/p][/quote]What consultation? It is no wonder that there was a low turnout when hardly anyone knew about the consultation. Typical council publicity in their favour. Lifetime Townie

12:01pm Fri 10 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Bring back .........'Work Study,..... Time and Motion'' study work-assessment and ascertain exactly who is doing what (The weed out the ******'Workers' from the 'Shirkers') that would shock some of these Councils and the local Taxpayers. Stop also these numerous 'Smoking-Breaks' with some Councils.
Bring back .........'Work Study,..... Time and Motion'' study work-assessment and ascertain exactly who is doing what (The weed out the ******'Workers' from the 'Shirkers') that would shock some of these Councils and the local Taxpayers. Stop also these numerous 'Smoking-Breaks' with some Councils. cushybutterfield

1:00pm Fri 10 Jan 14

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

miketually wrote:
thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th wrote:
miketually wrote:
thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th wrote:
miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
miketually wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??
As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.
Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.
That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.
Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care? If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town.
Doesn't that propaganda magazine Local Motion get delivered to every household? The council are more than adept at wasting my money, so why didn't they write to everyone regarding the wheely bins? This council, like you are very selective about these things. Anyone would think you were in their employ/pocket!
The magazine does get delivered to every house: it contained details of the bin consultation, so the council did tell everyone. Some people chose to not read it, and chose to not respond. And, I'm not employed by the council. As someone said on another article, not everyone in the town thinks the council are doing a bad job.
You seriously think placing some article in a propaganda magazine is a proper way of informing the people of this town about important expensive policies. You're certainly sound like one of the stooges down the town hall.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: There is one other thing after reading the above article WHEN AND WHERE DID THE COUNCIL CONSULT ABOUT THIS? I certainly did not receive a letter from the dodgy buggers. Me thinks the council are massaging the fingers for their own ends. Oh Did I say that???????????????? ??[/p][/quote]As andygib623 says, multiple stories on here, the Darlington Together magazine, notifications via Facebook and Twitter, and the Council website (the consultations page is the first result on Google for "Darlington Counsultations"). There were also information stands at various places around the town at different times, such as in the Dolphin Centre reception area.[/p][/quote]Who spends there time searching around Facebook, Twitter and Darlington Council website? Who has time to read that sycophantic garbage in the Together magazine? Yourself apparently but I suspect few other people. A proper survey is asking a statistically representative cross section of the population what there opinion is. The way they invite anyone to express an opinion is open at distortion at best and abuse at worst.[/p][/quote]That's the point: you don't need to spent time trawling around them, they were so common and in multiple locations that many people will have seen them. If anything, I'd expect that anti-wheelie bin people would be more likely to know about the consultation and skew it that way, so a majority saying that they don't have an issue with it is surprising to me. Where do we draw the line? Why consult on this, but not on other issues? How much would writing individually to a representative cross section on every decision cost? The irony of someone who posts on here so frequently not having time to see details of the consultation is brilliant.[/p][/quote]Quite clearly 'a lot of people' did not see these elusive information stands! Or see this information in the press! Otherwise many more people would have had a say in the matter. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?[/p][/quote]Perhaps most people who saw them just don't care? If the Council spent money writing to every household, people on here would be complaining that they were wasting money writing when they already deliver a magazine to each household that they could have used. I don't think anyone can really complain that they didn't have a chance of finding out, when the information was posted through every letterbox in the town.[/p][/quote]Doesn't that propaganda magazine Local Motion get delivered to every household? The council are more than adept at wasting my money, so why didn't they write to everyone regarding the wheely bins? This council, like you are very selective about these things. Anyone would think you were in their employ/pocket![/p][/quote]The magazine does get delivered to every house: it contained details of the bin consultation, so the council did tell everyone. Some people chose to not read it, and chose to not respond. And, I'm not employed by the council. As someone said on another article, not everyone in the town thinks the council are doing a bad job.[/p][/quote]You seriously think placing some article in a propaganda magazine is a proper way of informing the people of this town about important expensive policies. You're certainly sound like one of the stooges down the town hall. thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth

1:47pm Fri 10 Jan 14

miketually says...

"You seriously think placing some article in a propaganda magazine is a proper way of informing the people of this town about important expensive policies."

There was a double page spread setting out the options, with details on how to comment.

"You're certainly sound like one of the stooges down the town hall."

Give it up.
"You seriously think placing some article in a propaganda magazine is a proper way of informing the people of this town about important expensive policies." There was a double page spread setting out the options, with details on how to comment. "You're certainly sound like one of the stooges down the town hall." Give it up. miketually

11:01pm Sun 12 Jan 14

diga says...

I must admit that I don't read Darlington Together but I do 'like' Darlington Borough Council on Facebook and I don't remember seeing anything about a fortnightly bin collection consultation being mentioned....
I must admit that I don't read Darlington Together but I do 'like' Darlington Borough Council on Facebook and I don't remember seeing anything about a fortnightly bin collection consultation being mentioned.... diga

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