Anti-poverty campaigners say it is "shocking" benevolent fund is still needed

The Northern Echo: North-East families can't afford school shoes North-East families can't afford school shoes

HUNDREDS of families are turning to a fund set up almost 100 years ago to ensure their children can go to school in a decent pair of shoes and a winter coat.

Anti-poverty campaigners last night (Thursday, December 26) said it was "shocking" that such a fund was still needed and blamed the Government for the growing hardship being faced by some families.

The County Durham School Benevolent Fund was established in 1921 by the National Union of Teachers and Durham County Council's education committee.

Due to county council cutbacks, responsibility for administering the fund was taken over for the time being by Thornhill Primary School, at Shildon, in September.

The school's bursar, Alison Overfield, said: "Our headteacher is part of the schools forum and said we would do it in order to continue support for needy families."

Since September, 320 applications for support have been received and Mrs Overfield said a backlog of another 80 applications had also had to be dealt with.

"There has been an increase, year on year, in the number of applications," she said.

The fund, which is overseen by a general council of trustees, gives grants of up to £35 per child towards the cost of a pair of shoes and £35 towards the cost of a winter coat if parents or guardians are eligible for free school meals and the pupil lives in County Durham.

Families are referred to the fund by parent support advisors, family support workers, social workers and even school headteachers.

Tim Nichols, a spokesman for the Child Poverty Action Group, said the fund highlighted inequality throughout the UK.

"It's shocking that a fund set up nearly 100 years ago to help the poorest children with such basic essentials as shoes and a warm coat is in growing demand today," he said.

"But there is something else we have in common with the 1920s and that is extraordinary economic inequality.

"Britain is a much more wealthy nation today than when the fund was created, but the wealth in Britain today is so unequally shared.

"We have some people wealthy enough to have closets full of hundreds of shoes they only wear once, and then we have families on poverty pay who cannot afford new shoes for their children's growing feet."

Mr Nichols added: "The squeeze on wages, rising prices for essentials like rents, energy, food and clothing, and the unprecedented scale of cuts to safety net support for families and children all play a part in the growing hardship more and more families are facing.

"But the main reason it is so bad is that the Government simply hasn't got the national priorities right and this kind of hardship should be avoided by making sure there is an adequate safety net that stops families getting into this downward spiral."

Durham County Council officials hope Thornhill Primary School's decision to step in and administer the fund will ensure it continues to support those in need.

Caroline O'Neill, head of education, said: "Historically we have administered it as a goodwill gesture.

"Unfortunately, given our financial situation, Durham County Council is no longer able to continue this.

"We let them know and hope that they will be able to continue the fund themselves."

Income for the fund is generated by an annual appeal to schools and parish council. Trades unions also make contributions.

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10:16am Fri 27 Dec 13

realsvillegirl says...

well that is a well kept secret,
not one person told me about this benevolent fund
when i needed help for kids school stuff!!!
well that is a well kept secret, not one person told me about this benevolent fund when i needed help for kids school stuff!!! realsvillegirl

10:39am Fri 27 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Now its existence has been publicised watch out for hundreds of applications. Free money? Are receipts needed?
Now its existence has been publicised watch out for hundreds of applications. Free money? Are receipts needed? David Lacey

10:44am Fri 27 Dec 13

darloboss says...

David Lacey wrote:
Now its existence has been publicised watch out for hundreds of applications. Free money? Are receipts needed?
new year new david ??
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Now its existence has been publicised watch out for hundreds of applications. Free money? Are receipts needed?[/p][/quote]new year new david ?? darloboss

10:50am Fri 27 Dec 13

bishop1 says...

no doubt some of the applicants will be the ones that would rather buy alcohol than clothe their own kids , might sound harsh but is unfortunately true .
no doubt some of the applicants will be the ones that would rather buy alcohol than clothe their own kids , might sound harsh but is unfortunately true . bishop1

11:02am Fri 27 Dec 13

settheworldonfire says...

bishop1 wrote:
no doubt some of the applicants will be the ones that would rather buy alcohol than clothe their own kids , might sound harsh but is unfortunately true .
That's true...
However i know people who are working that cannot afford to buy school clothes for their kids.....As usual though its those on benefits or on the sick that get everything again and not the hard working people that do not want to claim benefits.....THIS COUNTRY SUCKS !!!
[quote][p][bold]bishop1[/bold] wrote: no doubt some of the applicants will be the ones that would rather buy alcohol than clothe their own kids , might sound harsh but is unfortunately true .[/p][/quote]That's true... However i know people who are working that cannot afford to buy school clothes for their kids.....As usual though its those on benefits or on the sick that get everything again and not the hard working people that do not want to claim benefits.....THIS COUNTRY SUCKS !!! settheworldonfire

11:22am Fri 27 Dec 13

Time-Traveller says...

bishop1 wrote:
no doubt some of the applicants will be the ones that would rather buy alcohol than clothe their own kids , might sound harsh but is unfortunately true .
Or 'fags' @ about ₤8.00 a pack...or both?
[quote][p][bold]bishop1[/bold] wrote: no doubt some of the applicants will be the ones that would rather buy alcohol than clothe their own kids , might sound harsh but is unfortunately true .[/p][/quote]Or 'fags' @ about ₤8.00 a pack...or both? Time-Traveller

3:37pm Fri 27 Dec 13

sineater says...

Every time this sort of thing is mentioned,people get called wasters who don't look after their kids.Why not tell the truth,this government are persecuting poor people under the pretence of reducing the countries debt,that is rubbish,it will take many years to get rid of the debt.This governments austerity drive is a con,enabling the tories to get rid of the welfare state,something the tories have been wanting to do for decades,long before the banks crashed.
Every time this sort of thing is mentioned,people get called wasters who don't look after their kids.Why not tell the truth,this government are persecuting poor people under the pretence of reducing the countries debt,that is rubbish,it will take many years to get rid of the debt.This governments austerity drive is a con,enabling the tories to get rid of the welfare state,something the tories have been wanting to do for decades,long before the banks crashed. sineater

3:46pm Fri 27 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scum" the other type of inhumane scum that begrudges a child a pair of shoes ! Surely, when you are sat there in your ivory towers calling the rest of the world "scroats" and have the luxury of a job that supports you do you ever stop to consider that lots of hardworking people in resent years have lost their jobs & homes ? The whole country is on the brink of economic collapse to the point we are back in the dark ages and some of these hard working people are forced,through no fault of their own to rely on food banks & charities for the basics ? And it wasn't the benefit scrounges that put us here. It was the highest end of the establishment that did it and continue to do so ! Be careful of looking into the abyss because the abyss will look back into you ! Poor kids !
In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scum" the other type of inhumane scum that begrudges a child a pair of shoes ! Surely, when you are sat there in your ivory towers calling the rest of the world "scroats" and have the luxury of a job that supports you do you ever stop to consider that lots of hardworking people in resent years have lost their jobs & homes ? The whole country is on the brink of economic collapse to the point we are back in the dark ages and some of these hard working people are forced,through no fault of their own to rely on food banks & charities for the basics ? And it wasn't the benefit scrounges that put us here. It was the highest end of the establishment that did it and continue to do so ! Be careful of looking into the abyss because the abyss will look back into you ! Poor kids ! CLEVELANDPC

8:23pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Jonn says...

David Lacey wrote:
Now its existence has been publicised watch out for hundreds of applications. Free money? Are receipts needed?
Don't worry yourself too much. I'm sure as soon as this Government get wind of it they'll shut it down, just as they have now shut down a 20 million emergency heating scheme for 200,000 pensioners in severe hardship.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Now its existence has been publicised watch out for hundreds of applications. Free money? Are receipts needed?[/p][/quote]Don't worry yourself too much. I'm sure as soon as this Government get wind of it they'll shut it down, just as they have now shut down a 20 million emergency heating scheme for 200,000 pensioners in severe hardship. Jonn

11:17am Sat 28 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

No they haven't. You are making it up. Again.
No they haven't. You are making it up. Again. David Lacey

1:44pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Jonn says...

David Lacey wrote:
No they haven't. You are making it up. Again.
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/health/health
news/10530467/Minist
ers-scrap-20m-scheme
-to-keep-elderly-war
m.html

You seem to have difficulty accepting facts.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: No they haven't. You are making it up. Again.[/p][/quote]http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/10530467/Minist ers-scrap-20m-scheme -to-keep-elderly-war m.html You seem to have difficulty accepting facts. Jonn

1:44pm Sat 28 Dec 13

roaduser98 says...

Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though!
Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though! roaduser98

1:57pm Sat 28 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

roaduser98 wrote:
Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though!
Are you saying the majority of people who go to charity have large TVs ? If so what if they sold their TVs and their cookers then themselves ? I'm sorry but that doesn't cut it. you are disputing the testimony of teachers who deal with the reality . Their words are written in front of you - it guts me that some people can not accept that some people are genuinely poor or perhaps it Makes you feel good about yourself,because you are not ? Let's hope you never lose your support network or job ey ?
[quote][p][bold]roaduser98[/bold] wrote: Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though![/p][/quote]Are you saying the majority of people who go to charity have large TVs ? If so what if they sold their TVs and their cookers then themselves ? I'm sorry but that doesn't cut it. you are disputing the testimony of teachers who deal with the reality . Their words are written in front of you - it guts me that some people can not accept that some people are genuinely poor or perhaps it Makes you feel good about yourself,because you are not ? Let's hope you never lose your support network or job ey ? CLEVELANDPC

2:00pm Sat 28 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

True though, we do live in a false economy agreed about the loan thing but , I know people stuck in houses they can't afford or sell or even rent out its insane
True though, we do live in a false economy agreed about the loan thing but , I know people stuck in houses they can't afford or sell or even rent out its insane CLEVELANDPC

2:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
roaduser98 wrote:
Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though!
Are you saying the majority of people who go to charity have large TVs ? If so what if they sold their TVs and their cookers then themselves ? I'm sorry but that doesn't cut it. you are disputing the testimony of teachers who deal with the reality . Their words are written in front of you - it guts me that some people can not accept that some people are genuinely poor or perhaps it Makes you feel good about yourself,because you are not ? Let's hope you never lose your support network or job ey ?
The point I would make to counter this is that many of the people who are turning to "charity" or complaining for additional benefits are responsible for the decisions they have taken that have resulted in their poverty - of course not all - but many of them.

Many choose a lifestyle where they spend a large amount of their available funds on drink, smoking, Sky TV, pets and in some cases drugs - rather than provide shoes (etc) for their children.

I am happy for my taxes to provide for those in difficulty due to no fault of their own - but most unhappy to support the "waster" lifestyle that some choose and want the taxpayer to fund!

And yes - I've lost my job in the past and had to travel 45 miles each way for my next job at 30% less salary - so I've had my hard times but I kept grafting and got through it. Too many are not prepared to graft - they just expect!!
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roaduser98[/bold] wrote: Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though![/p][/quote]Are you saying the majority of people who go to charity have large TVs ? If so what if they sold their TVs and their cookers then themselves ? I'm sorry but that doesn't cut it. you are disputing the testimony of teachers who deal with the reality . Their words are written in front of you - it guts me that some people can not accept that some people are genuinely poor or perhaps it Makes you feel good about yourself,because you are not ? Let's hope you never lose your support network or job ey ?[/p][/quote]The point I would make to counter this is that many of the people who are turning to "charity" or complaining for additional benefits are responsible for the decisions they have taken that have resulted in their poverty - of course not all - but many of them. Many choose a lifestyle where they spend a large amount of their available funds on drink, smoking, Sky TV, pets and in some cases drugs - rather than provide shoes (etc) for their children. I am happy for my taxes to provide for those in difficulty due to no fault of their own - but most unhappy to support the "waster" lifestyle that some choose and want the taxpayer to fund! And yes - I've lost my job in the past and had to travel 45 miles each way for my next job at 30% less salary - so I've had my hard times but I kept grafting and got through it. Too many are not prepared to graft - they just expect!! DarloXman

2:37pm Sat 28 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

DarloXman wrote:
CLEVELANDPC wrote:
roaduser98 wrote:
Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though!
Are you saying the majority of people who go to charity have large TVs ? If so what if they sold their TVs and their cookers then themselves ? I'm sorry but that doesn't cut it. you are disputing the testimony of teachers who deal with the reality . Their words are written in front of you - it guts me that some people can not accept that some people are genuinely poor or perhaps it Makes you feel good about yourself,because you are not ? Let's hope you never lose your support network or job ey ?
The point I would make to counter this is that many of the people who are turning to "charity" or complaining for additional benefits are responsible for the decisions they have taken that have resulted in their poverty - of course not all - but many of them.

Many choose a lifestyle where they spend a large amount of their available funds on drink, smoking, Sky TV, pets and in some cases drugs - rather than provide shoes (etc) for their children.

I am happy for my taxes to provide for those in difficulty due to no fault of their own - but most unhappy to support the "waster" lifestyle that some choose and want the taxpayer to fund!

And yes - I've lost my job in the past and had to travel 45 miles each way for my next job at 30% less salary - so I've had my hard times but I kept grafting and got through it. Too many are not prepared to graft - they just expect!!
What about the people whom are working & live in houses they can not afford and cannot sell ? I also volunteer at a food bank- several of the family's we support are parents that are both working but have gotten into that much debt during the boom they are struggling to keep a roof over theirs and their children's heads it seems a no win situation - what would you say to these people ?
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roaduser98[/bold] wrote: Story today on BBC breakfast was about a family which had a good christmas thanks to the pay day company loan of 1700 pounds. Pity, the company are now asking for 3000 plus pounds for the loan to be repaid. The other thing which was made in the report was that as one of the essentials was the latest in TV technology. No mention of shoes though![/p][/quote]Are you saying the majority of people who go to charity have large TVs ? If so what if they sold their TVs and their cookers then themselves ? I'm sorry but that doesn't cut it. you are disputing the testimony of teachers who deal with the reality . Their words are written in front of you - it guts me that some people can not accept that some people are genuinely poor or perhaps it Makes you feel good about yourself,because you are not ? Let's hope you never lose your support network or job ey ?[/p][/quote]The point I would make to counter this is that many of the people who are turning to "charity" or complaining for additional benefits are responsible for the decisions they have taken that have resulted in their poverty - of course not all - but many of them. Many choose a lifestyle where they spend a large amount of their available funds on drink, smoking, Sky TV, pets and in some cases drugs - rather than provide shoes (etc) for their children. I am happy for my taxes to provide for those in difficulty due to no fault of their own - but most unhappy to support the "waster" lifestyle that some choose and want the taxpayer to fund! And yes - I've lost my job in the past and had to travel 45 miles each way for my next job at 30% less salary - so I've had my hard times but I kept grafting and got through it. Too many are not prepared to graft - they just expect!![/p][/quote]What about the people whom are working & live in houses they can not afford and cannot sell ? I also volunteer at a food bank- several of the family's we support are parents that are both working but have gotten into that much debt during the boom they are struggling to keep a roof over theirs and their children's heads it seems a no win situation - what would you say to these people ? CLEVELANDPC

3:04pm Sat 28 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Are you for real? They got into debt through their own choice in good times and when the economy turned down they have the cheek to complain. You have summed up the "me, me, me" problem in this country perfectly.
Are you for real? They got into debt through their own choice in good times and when the economy turned down they have the cheek to complain. You have summed up the "me, me, me" problem in this country perfectly. David Lacey

3:08pm Sat 28 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

CLEVELANDPC - it's not my position nor responsibility to say anything to those who have borrowed beyond whatever they can afford! I did not tell them to take large loans/mortgages so why is it now my problem? Why should I be responsible for people who have made poor decisions?

I never borrowed beyond my means! When my salary went down by 30% and my travelling expenses increased it was very tough but we managed to keep going by cutting all unnecessary expenses - kids had to do with simpler Christmases and birthdays but they never went hungry and were always clean. We never had holidays nor did we ever have new cars, our furniture was old and we had many cast downs from family.

I don't remember "the boom" - I don't think there ever was one! It was all based on borrowed money and was obvious to me that it was all going to eventually explode!

People have to be responsible for their poor decisions. It may sound tough but those in severe debt will have to consider bankruptcy and start again. Not easy but that is a way out. Also, more bankruptcies and bad debts will make the banks reduce the irresponsible levels of lending, making it harder for people to get loans. In the short term this hurts but in the long term provides a more steady society and stops boom/bust cycles which have been falsely created.

To ensure an eventual win situation my advice is to live within your means!
CLEVELANDPC - it's not my position nor responsibility to say anything to those who have borrowed beyond whatever they can afford! I did not tell them to take large loans/mortgages so why is it now my problem? Why should I be responsible for people who have made poor decisions? I never borrowed beyond my means! When my salary went down by 30% and my travelling expenses increased it was very tough but we managed to keep going by cutting all unnecessary expenses - kids had to do with simpler Christmases and birthdays but they never went hungry and were always clean. We never had holidays nor did we ever have new cars, our furniture was old and we had many cast downs from family. I don't remember "the boom" - I don't think there ever was one! It was all based on borrowed money and was obvious to me that it was all going to eventually explode! People have to be responsible for their poor decisions. It may sound tough but those in severe debt will have to consider bankruptcy and start again. Not easy but that is a way out. Also, more bankruptcies and bad debts will make the banks reduce the irresponsible levels of lending, making it harder for people to get loans. In the short term this hurts but in the long term provides a more steady society and stops boom/bust cycles which have been falsely created. To ensure an eventual win situation my advice is to live within your means! DarloXman

3:24pm Sat 28 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

I am very much for "real" the reality for some people is they lived beyond their means buying into negative equity buying second houses foolishly believing they would sell on until the slump in house prices saw to it that wouldn't and now are left in a situation of being in debt they can not escape or face homelessness plenty of people did it, young families did it. And how wonderful it must be to live a blameless faultless life I sincerely hope your hard line attitude doesn't bite you on the bottom one day - there probably won't be any benefits or food banks or charities left to cradle your fall by then
I am very much for "real" the reality for some people is they lived beyond their means buying into negative equity buying second houses foolishly believing they would sell on until the slump in house prices saw to it that wouldn't and now are left in a situation of being in debt they can not escape or face homelessness plenty of people did it, young families did it. And how wonderful it must be to live a blameless faultless life I sincerely hope your hard line attitude doesn't bite you on the bottom one day - there probably won't be any benefits or food banks or charities left to cradle your fall by then CLEVELANDPC

3:43pm Sat 28 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

Sounds like you are wishing me a fall - not very charitable of you - despite your protestations above!

I'm sorry but your argument is just getting ridiculous! So I, and others like me who have only owned one house at a time or lived in rented accommodation now have to make contributions towards someone who bought a second home trying to make a quick buck but became unstuck!!

What next - someone mortgages their home to the max and then puts it all on the favourite in the 2:30 at Chepstow which unfortunately loses - do I have to compensate this gambler also?
Sounds like you are wishing me a fall - not very charitable of you - despite your protestations above! I'm sorry but your argument is just getting ridiculous! So I, and others like me who have only owned one house at a time or lived in rented accommodation now have to make contributions towards someone who bought a second home trying to make a quick buck but became unstuck!! What next - someone mortgages their home to the max and then puts it all on the favourite in the 2:30 at Chepstow which unfortunately loses - do I have to compensate this gambler also? DarloXman

3:56pm Sat 28 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

DarloXman wrote:
Sounds like you are wishing me a fall - not very charitable of you - despite your protestations above!

I'm sorry but your argument is just getting ridiculous! So I, and others like me who have only owned one house at a time or lived in rented accommodation now have to make contributions towards someone who bought a second home trying to make a quick buck but became unstuck!!

What next - someone mortgages their home to the max and then puts it all on the favourite in the 2:30 at Chepstow which unfortunately loses - do I have to compensate this gambler also?
I wouldn't wish That on anyone I am sorry if it came across that way I find it upsetting that anyone would begrudge a child a pair of shoes - it's incredibly easy to apportion blame but these people have found themselves in these situations and it's hardly hardly ridiculous look at how many have seized this as an opportunity to beat poor people with the benefit scrounger stick I think it's perverse to be honest .
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: Sounds like you are wishing me a fall - not very charitable of you - despite your protestations above! I'm sorry but your argument is just getting ridiculous! So I, and others like me who have only owned one house at a time or lived in rented accommodation now have to make contributions towards someone who bought a second home trying to make a quick buck but became unstuck!! What next - someone mortgages their home to the max and then puts it all on the favourite in the 2:30 at Chepstow which unfortunately loses - do I have to compensate this gambler also?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't wish That on anyone I am sorry if it came across that way I find it upsetting that anyone would begrudge a child a pair of shoes - it's incredibly easy to apportion blame but these people have found themselves in these situations and it's hardly hardly ridiculous look at how many have seized this as an opportunity to beat poor people with the benefit scrounger stick I think it's perverse to be honest . CLEVELANDPC

4:01pm Sat 28 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

Thanks for clarifying.
Thanks for clarifying. DarloXman

5:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

kristal27 says...

these types of stories always bring out the ' scroungers spending benefits on drink and fags' brigade. Yes, it happens -but the children who are getting the shoes and warm coats are the innocents to a large extent -they don't ask their parents to spend all their cash on fags and Lambrusco -but they pay the price. More benefits should be paid out in tokens for food so the money gets spent on the kids not their parents. having said that the parents would probably sell the tokens for booze and fags so back to square one -but we are supposed to support the weaker members of society - I've worked all my life and would gladly sell anything I owned to make sure my kids didn't go hungry -we are dealing with individuals and couples that thing they are owed something by the government even though they have probably never put anything into the Pot. Wonder how many of these 'scroungers' would miraculously find a job if the Workhouse was brought back?
these types of stories always bring out the ' scroungers spending benefits on drink and fags' brigade. Yes, it happens -but the children who are getting the shoes and warm coats are the innocents to a large extent -they don't ask their parents to spend all their cash on fags and Lambrusco -but they pay the price. More benefits should be paid out in tokens for food so the money gets spent on the kids not their parents. having said that the parents would probably sell the tokens for booze and fags so back to square one -but we are supposed to support the weaker members of society - I've worked all my life and would gladly sell anything I owned to make sure my kids didn't go hungry -we are dealing with individuals and couples that thing they are owed something by the government even though they have probably never put anything into the Pot. Wonder how many of these 'scroungers' would miraculously find a job if the Workhouse was brought back? kristal27

6:37pm Sat 28 Dec 13

sineater says...

Krista, there are 2 and a half million out of work,and approx. 400.000 vacancies,so how would they all find work? It was in the papers today councils who have had to make staff redundant are using jobseekers to fill the vacancies,so it is possible some of those made redundant will be doing their old job for their benefits ,a good way forward for the country?. A blind man who previously tried to commit suicide because of depression,killed himself after his benefits were stopped by atos and he was facing eviction,more good news eh ?
Krista, there are 2 and a half million out of work,and approx. 400.000 vacancies,so how would they all find work? It was in the papers today councils who have had to make staff redundant are using jobseekers to fill the vacancies,so it is possible some of those made redundant will be doing their old job for their benefits ,a good way forward for the country?. A blind man who previously tried to commit suicide because of depression,killed himself after his benefits were stopped by atos and he was facing eviction,more good news eh ? sineater

7:10pm Sat 28 Dec 13

English lad says...

And the government still sends millions in aid to the needy all over the world even though our country is about on its knees!!!
And the government still sends millions in aid to the needy all over the world even though our country is about on its knees!!! English lad

8:05pm Sat 28 Dec 13

spragger says...

If its free they will come.
You noticed anyone turning down free food?
If its free they will come. You noticed anyone turning down free food? spragger

8:14pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

This should be welcomed. Until the late 1920s welfare was dealt with at a local level, as well as through philantrophy - the state had a minimal role with family and parish being expected to look after their own. A return to localism should be welcomed - whereby individual communities can tailor solutions to the needs of their own locale. Good to see that a sensible local traditional fund is once more doing what it should - serving local needs.
This should be welcomed. Until the late 1920s welfare was dealt with at a local level, as well as through philantrophy - the state had a minimal role with family and parish being expected to look after their own. A return to localism should be welcomed - whereby individual communities can tailor solutions to the needs of their own locale. Good to see that a sensible local traditional fund is once more doing what it should - serving local needs. Voice-of-reality

8:18pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Of course, if you cannot afford to buy shoes for your kids - you shouldn't, as some do, then decide to have more kids.
Of course, if you cannot afford to buy shoes for your kids - you shouldn't, as some do, then decide to have more kids. Voice-of-reality

8:52pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
This should be welcomed. Until the late 1920s welfare was dealt with at a local level, as well as through philantrophy - the state had a minimal role with family and parish being expected to look after their own. A return to localism should be welcomed - whereby individual communities can tailor solutions to the needs of their own locale. Good to see that a sensible local traditional fund is once more doing what it should - serving local needs.
Sounds great in theory but you won't see the Government reducing taxes appropriately though, unless you are a Corporate, banker or can afford a creative accountant.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: This should be welcomed. Until the late 1920s welfare was dealt with at a local level, as well as through philantrophy - the state had a minimal role with family and parish being expected to look after their own. A return to localism should be welcomed - whereby individual communities can tailor solutions to the needs of their own locale. Good to see that a sensible local traditional fund is once more doing what it should - serving local needs.[/p][/quote]Sounds great in theory but you won't see the Government reducing taxes appropriately though, unless you are a Corporate, banker or can afford a creative accountant. Jonn

8:58pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Jonn says...

spragger wrote:
If its free they will come.
You noticed anyone turning down free food?
But some are returning their 'free food' as they can't afford to cook it because energy prices have risen 37% in 3 years and they tell us inflation is only 2.1%! Liars.
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: If its free they will come. You noticed anyone turning down free food?[/p][/quote]But some are returning their 'free food' as they can't afford to cook it because energy prices have risen 37% in 3 years and they tell us inflation is only 2.1%! Liars. Jonn

6:59am Sun 29 Dec 13

Jonn says...

David Lacey wrote:
Are you for real? They got into debt through their own choice in good times and when the economy turned down they have the cheek to complain. You have summed up the "me, me, me" problem in this country perfectly.
I presume you are talking about the Banks?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Are you for real? They got into debt through their own choice in good times and when the economy turned down they have the cheek to complain. You have summed up the "me, me, me" problem in this country perfectly.[/p][/quote]I presume you are talking about the Banks? Jonn

10:16am Sun 29 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

I wasn't - but the banks do seem to fit that description pretty well.
I wasn't - but the banks do seem to fit that description pretty well. David Lacey

1:06pm Sun 29 Dec 13

kristal27 says...

sineater wrote:
Krista, there are 2 and a half million out of work,and approx. 400.000 vacancies,so how would they all find work? It was in the papers today councils who have had to make staff redundant are using jobseekers to fill the vacancies,so it is possible some of those made redundant will be doing their old job for their benefits ,a good way forward for the country?. A blind man who previously tried to commit suicide because of depression,killed himself after his benefits were stopped by atos and he was facing eviction,more good news eh ?
If your quotes on unemployment versus job opportunities are correct how come people are flooding in from eastern Europe for the 'job opportunities? in my local Aldi over 50% of checkout operatives are east European -they have jobs -good on them -they are serving UK citizens some of which I reckon would DIE if offered a job in Aldi -or any job. I would seriously like to know who is actually using food banks -and I would bet a fiver there are few, if any, immigrants using them.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Krista, there are 2 and a half million out of work,and approx. 400.000 vacancies,so how would they all find work? It was in the papers today councils who have had to make staff redundant are using jobseekers to fill the vacancies,so it is possible some of those made redundant will be doing their old job for their benefits ,a good way forward for the country?. A blind man who previously tried to commit suicide because of depression,killed himself after his benefits were stopped by atos and he was facing eviction,more good news eh ?[/p][/quote]If your quotes on unemployment versus job opportunities are correct how come people are flooding in from eastern Europe for the 'job opportunities? in my local Aldi over 50% of checkout operatives are east European -they have jobs -good on them -they are serving UK citizens some of which I reckon would DIE if offered a job in Aldi -or any job. I would seriously like to know who is actually using food banks -and I would bet a fiver there are few, if any, immigrants using them. kristal27

1:59pm Sun 29 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

kristal27 wrote:
sineater wrote:
Krista, there are 2 and a half million out of work,and approx. 400.000 vacancies,so how would they all find work? It was in the papers today councils who have had to make staff redundant are using jobseekers to fill the vacancies,so it is possible some of those made redundant will be doing their old job for their benefits ,a good way forward for the country?. A blind man who previously tried to commit suicide because of depression,killed himself after his benefits were stopped by atos and he was facing eviction,more good news eh ?
If your quotes on unemployment versus job opportunities are correct how come people are flooding in from eastern Europe for the 'job opportunities? in my local Aldi over 50% of checkout operatives are east European -they have jobs -good on them -they are serving UK citizens some of which I reckon would DIE if offered a job in Aldi -or any job. I would seriously like to know who is actually using food banks -and I would bet a fiver there are few, if any, immigrants using them.
I thought this was interesting and kristal you would be surprised who comes through our doors - we have another family whom have been deserted by the breadwinner 7 children yes 7 children who's mother gets 60 pound on benefits a week because they are looking into her tax credits claim the government has left them to starve I'm pretty sure when she walked down the aisle , had this mans children , supported him as he set up business's and made a home did she expect to loose everything she owned and then be deserted left holding the baby as it were - csa is getting scrapped from what I've read so no help in the future from them we get a lot of pensioner aswell I'm pretty sure most people will think either the people we help are lying or I'm making it up but there you have it , also we work on referrals from people like Health visitors social workers etc it's not just a question of someone piping along lhttp://www.theguard
ian.com/business/201
3/jan/15/uk-jobs-soa
r-real
[quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Krista, there are 2 and a half million out of work,and approx. 400.000 vacancies,so how would they all find work? It was in the papers today councils who have had to make staff redundant are using jobseekers to fill the vacancies,so it is possible some of those made redundant will be doing their old job for their benefits ,a good way forward for the country?. A blind man who previously tried to commit suicide because of depression,killed himself after his benefits were stopped by atos and he was facing eviction,more good news eh ?[/p][/quote]If your quotes on unemployment versus job opportunities are correct how come people are flooding in from eastern Europe for the 'job opportunities? in my local Aldi over 50% of checkout operatives are east European -they have jobs -good on them -they are serving UK citizens some of which I reckon would DIE if offered a job in Aldi -or any job. I would seriously like to know who is actually using food banks -and I would bet a fiver there are few, if any, immigrants using them.[/p][/quote]I thought this was interesting and kristal you would be surprised who comes through our doors - we have another family whom have been deserted by the breadwinner 7 children yes 7 children who's mother gets 60 pound on benefits a week because they are looking into her tax credits claim the government has left them to starve I'm pretty sure when she walked down the aisle , had this mans children , supported him as he set up business's and made a home did she expect to loose everything she owned and then be deserted left holding the baby as it were - csa is getting scrapped from what I've read so no help in the future from them we get a lot of pensioner aswell I'm pretty sure most people will think either the people we help are lying or I'm making it up but there you have it , also we work on referrals from people like Health visitors social workers etc it's not just a question of someone piping along lhttp://www.theguard ian.com/business/201 3/jan/15/uk-jobs-soa r-real CLEVELANDPC

3:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

kristal27 says...

Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever.... kristal27

3:33pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

kristal27 wrote:
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!
[quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....[/p][/quote]Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!! Jackaranda

3:52pm Sun 29 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

I suppose the blind man who had his benefits stopped was Lying also ? And just imagined being evicted ?it's all a left wing conspiracy here the government is not doing anything wrong by its people and charity is the work of the devil bah humbug, the pensioners aren't struggling either I think it's laughable how the people who couldn't give a monkeys about the weakest members of our society applaud what is happening to the vulnerable which then go on to question the morality of those accepting charity. There's the me me me attitude everyone's on about and I bet none of yous are on benefits
I suppose the blind man who had his benefits stopped was Lying also ? And just imagined being evicted ?it's all a left wing conspiracy here the government is not doing anything wrong by its people and charity is the work of the devil bah humbug, the pensioners aren't struggling either I think it's laughable how the people who couldn't give a monkeys about the weakest members of our society applaud what is happening to the vulnerable which then go on to question the morality of those accepting charity. There's the me me me attitude everyone's on about and I bet none of yous are on benefits CLEVELANDPC

3:52pm Sun 29 Dec 13

sineater says...

I am correct Kristal,and iff you read the papers regularly you would know a lot of immigrants get jobs because they take less pay than u.k. residents,privately the government encourages them as they want wages forced down too. Now iff you think that's a good thing,lets hope that happens to you .AS for immigrants,i thought they were all coming over hear to claim benefits,make your mind up . People are using food banks because of long delays in benefit claims,and some are disabled people,some of whom have had their benefits stopped for up to a year,such people have extra expences,such as needing heating on longer than able bodied people,and for transport.
I am correct Kristal,and iff you read the papers regularly you would know a lot of immigrants get jobs because they take less pay than u.k. residents,privately the government encourages them as they want wages forced down too. Now iff you think that's a good thing,lets hope that happens to you .AS for immigrants,i thought they were all coming over hear to claim benefits,make your mind up . People are using food banks because of long delays in benefit claims,and some are disabled people,some of whom have had their benefits stopped for up to a year,such people have extra expences,such as needing heating on longer than able bodied people,and for transport. sineater

4:18pm Sun 29 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

kristal27 wrote:
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here.
[quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....[/p][/quote]Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here. CLEVELANDPC

4:39pm Sun 29 Dec 13

bishlass says...

kristal27 wrote:
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
I think she'll be getting approx £360 per MONTH family allowance
[quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....[/p][/quote]I think she'll be getting approx £360 per MONTH family allowance bishlass

4:43pm Sun 29 Dec 13

kristal27 says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
kristal27 wrote:
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here.
PC go look up child benefit rates and also single parent benefit (this is means tested) -then do the math. She will not be waiting for child benefit unless this is a new claim (if she's an immigrant) as it is not affected by your financial change in circumstance and is normally paid to the female in a partnership or marriage. i'm not knocking food banks or people who really need them but personally think you've made this scenario up to prove a point - how do you know of this persons personal circumstances?do you have to give your life story and financial details to a 'volunteer' in a food bank? -NO! and if you are a support or social worker then you've just given out details of one of your clients that is private and should have remained so...hope she reads the Norrthern Echo...
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....[/p][/quote]Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here.[/p][/quote]PC go look up child benefit rates and also single parent benefit (this is means tested) -then do the math. She will not be waiting for child benefit unless this is a new claim (if she's an immigrant) as it is not affected by your financial change in circumstance and is normally paid to the female in a partnership or marriage. i'm not knocking food banks or people who really need them but personally think you've made this scenario up to prove a point - how do you know of this persons personal circumstances?do you have to give your life story and financial details to a 'volunteer' in a food bank? -NO! and if you are a support or social worker then you've just given out details of one of your clients that is private and should have remained so...hope she reads the Norrthern Echo... kristal27

5:18pm Sun 29 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

kristal27 wrote:
CLEVELANDPC wrote:
kristal27 wrote:
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here.
PC go look up child benefit rates and also single parent benefit (this is means tested) -then do the math. She will not be waiting for child benefit unless this is a new claim (if she's an immigrant) as it is not affected by your financial change in circumstance and is normally paid to the female in a partnership or marriage. i'm not knocking food banks or people who really need them but personally think you've made this scenario up to prove a point - how do you know of this persons personal circumstances?do you have to give your life story and financial details to a 'volunteer' in a food bank? -NO! and if you are a support or social worker then you've just given out details of one of your clients that is private and should have remained so...hope she reads the Norrthern Echo...
Sadly, I am not making this up I wish I was !and this is happening across the country and is widely reported.
[quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....[/p][/quote]Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here.[/p][/quote]PC go look up child benefit rates and also single parent benefit (this is means tested) -then do the math. She will not be waiting for child benefit unless this is a new claim (if she's an immigrant) as it is not affected by your financial change in circumstance and is normally paid to the female in a partnership or marriage. i'm not knocking food banks or people who really need them but personally think you've made this scenario up to prove a point - how do you know of this persons personal circumstances?do you have to give your life story and financial details to a 'volunteer' in a food bank? -NO! and if you are a support or social worker then you've just given out details of one of your clients that is private and should have remained so...hope she reads the Norrthern Echo...[/p][/quote]Sadly, I am not making this up I wish I was !and this is happening across the country and is widely reported. CLEVELANDPC

5:58pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Jonn says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
kristal27 wrote:
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here.
Unfortunately, you are wasting your time trying to explain to certain minded folk that some people are in genuine dire straits because of this Governments policies. Just as Tory MPs laughed at food poverty in Parliament recently, the same MP's who have their food & energy bills payed for by 'hardworking taxpayers'. They simply cannot get their heads around the fact the others can't make ends meet anymore, they are simply failures, 'useless eaters' they used to call them.
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....[/p][/quote]Although you will refuse to believe it she is waiting on her benefits being assessed she's waited 8 weeks already and I don't know where you think she is getting 1500 a month from but categorically she is not hence the referral to us and obviously the type of case that this article is highlighting - like I said I knew you wouldn't believe me or the testimony of the teachers as written here.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, you are wasting your time trying to explain to certain minded folk that some people are in genuine dire straits because of this Governments policies. Just as Tory MPs laughed at food poverty in Parliament recently, the same MP's who have their food & energy bills payed for by 'hardworking taxpayers'. They simply cannot get their heads around the fact the others can't make ends meet anymore, they are simply failures, 'useless eaters' they used to call them. Jonn

6:34pm Sun 29 Dec 13

sineater says...

Kristal, Yes you do have to give your circumstances to the social services,or your g.p. e.t.c,then they decide wether to refer you to a food bank.Then you only get help a couple of times,depending on their circumstances.Surely you didn't think you could just walk in to a food bank, say you were short of cash ,and waltz out with some groceries,give your head a shake please.
Kristal, Yes you do have to give your circumstances to the social services,or your g.p. e.t.c,then they decide wether to refer you to a food bank.Then you only get help a couple of times,depending on their circumstances.Surely you didn't think you could just walk in to a food bank, say you were short of cash ,and waltz out with some groceries,give your head a shake please. sineater

7:20pm Sun 29 Dec 13

kristal27 says...

sineater wrote:
Kristal, Yes you do have to give your circumstances to the social services,or your g.p. e.t.c,then they decide wether to refer you to a food bank.Then you only get help a couple of times,depending on their circumstances.Surely you didn't think you could just walk in to a food bank, say you were short of cash ,and waltz out with some groceries,give your head a shake please.
give your head a shake dear and read my previous post - I know what the referral system is -i also know that volunteers (such as CLEVELANDPC)PROPOSES TO BE) AT A FOOD BANK ARE THERE TO FILL BASKETS AND ARE NOT PRIVILEGED TO KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE FOOD BANK . If anyone could waltz in and get free food I'd be the first in line -I mean -why should I work 40 hours a week and OH 60 hours a week to pay 22% of our hard earned money in taxes to feed people who have no intentions of work? maybe OH and I should get stressed out, go on line to find out the symptoms and get signed on the sick -then I could get a mobility car -i actually really fancy a quasqai -but can't afford to buy one as a worker - but would get one free if i was signed off disabled... way to go -free food, free motor, free school meals, free dentist, free doctor and prescriptions , free housing - OMG
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Kristal, Yes you do have to give your circumstances to the social services,or your g.p. e.t.c,then they decide wether to refer you to a food bank.Then you only get help a couple of times,depending on their circumstances.Surely you didn't think you could just walk in to a food bank, say you were short of cash ,and waltz out with some groceries,give your head a shake please.[/p][/quote]give your head a shake dear and read my previous post - I know what the referral system is -i also know that volunteers (such as CLEVELANDPC)PROPOSES TO BE) AT A FOOD BANK ARE THERE TO FILL BASKETS AND ARE NOT PRIVILEGED TO KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE FOOD BANK . If anyone could waltz in and get free food I'd be the first in line -I mean -why should I work 40 hours a week and OH 60 hours a week to pay 22% of our hard earned money in taxes to feed people who have no intentions of work? maybe OH and I should get stressed out, go on line to find out the symptoms and get signed on the sick -then I could get a mobility car -i actually really fancy a quasqai -but can't afford to buy one as a worker - but would get one free if i was signed off disabled... way to go -free food, free motor, free school meals, free dentist, free doctor and prescriptions , free housing - OMG kristal27

7:31pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Jonn says...

kristal27 wrote:
sineater wrote:
Kristal, Yes you do have to give your circumstances to the social services,or your g.p. e.t.c,then they decide wether to refer you to a food bank.Then you only get help a couple of times,depending on their circumstances.Surely you didn't think you could just walk in to a food bank, say you were short of cash ,and waltz out with some groceries,give your head a shake please.
give your head a shake dear and read my previous post - I know what the referral system is -i also know that volunteers (such as CLEVELANDPC)PROPOSES TO BE) AT A FOOD BANK ARE THERE TO FILL BASKETS AND ARE NOT PRIVILEGED TO KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE FOOD BANK . If anyone could waltz in and get free food I'd be the first in line -I mean -why should I work 40 hours a week and OH 60 hours a week to pay 22% of our hard earned money in taxes to feed people who have no intentions of work? maybe OH and I should get stressed out, go on line to find out the symptoms and get signed on the sick -then I could get a mobility car -i actually really fancy a quasqai -but can't afford to buy one as a worker - but would get one free if i was signed off disabled... way to go -free food, free motor, free school meals, free dentist, free doctor and prescriptions , free housing - OMG
Disability cars aren't free. Stop peddling myths.
[quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Kristal, Yes you do have to give your circumstances to the social services,or your g.p. e.t.c,then they decide wether to refer you to a food bank.Then you only get help a couple of times,depending on their circumstances.Surely you didn't think you could just walk in to a food bank, say you were short of cash ,and waltz out with some groceries,give your head a shake please.[/p][/quote]give your head a shake dear and read my previous post - I know what the referral system is -i also know that volunteers (such as CLEVELANDPC)PROPOSES TO BE) AT A FOOD BANK ARE THERE TO FILL BASKETS AND ARE NOT PRIVILEGED TO KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE FOOD BANK . If anyone could waltz in and get free food I'd be the first in line -I mean -why should I work 40 hours a week and OH 60 hours a week to pay 22% of our hard earned money in taxes to feed people who have no intentions of work? maybe OH and I should get stressed out, go on line to find out the symptoms and get signed on the sick -then I could get a mobility car -i actually really fancy a quasqai -but can't afford to buy one as a worker - but would get one free if i was signed off disabled... way to go -free food, free motor, free school meals, free dentist, free doctor and prescriptions , free housing - OMG[/p][/quote]Disability cars aren't free. Stop peddling myths. Jonn

7:37pm Sun 29 Dec 13

kristal27 says...

jonn -disability cars are free stop peddling myths. Free as in you lease them and the government then pays you a benefit -mobility benefit -to pay for the lease. check out the rates -amazing!
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jonn -disability cars are free stop peddling myths. Free as in you lease them and the government then pays you a benefit -mobility benefit -to pay for the lease. check out the rates -amazing! http://www.motabilit y.co.uk/cars-and-wav s/search/cars/?subTy pe=1&originalTotalRo ws=1739&allowance_ty pe=DLA&web_rangemake =&web_car_type=Small +cars&web_car_type=M edium+cars&web_car_t ype=Family+cars&web_ car_type=Estates&web _car_type=SUVs%2F4x4 s&web_car_type=Coupe s%2FRoadsters%2FCabr iolets&Find= kristal27

8:08pm Sun 29 Dec 13

victorjames says...

ClevelandPC you're pretty much on your own in this column where there's very much an empathy bypass. Some of the correspondents need to go back and read the letter and the comments from Tim Nichols who quite rightly said that we're a richer nation than in 1920 the gap between the poor and others is growing and has done ever since Mrs T came to power.

I take on board what you say about the people you have to help and quite believe you. The first thought here should be for the children and for those families who find themselves, very often through no fault of their own, in distress.

I spent a childhood in childrens homes and refused to go back home when I had the chance. My three younger brothers did, my brother passed his 13+ and was sent to the grammar school. My parents could not afford his new uniform, he sat in a corridor for 3 weeks and then was sent back to the secondary school.

What I'm saying is I know what real poverty is and know that very often there's no black and white circumsatnces. My default position is alway sympathy for the disadvantaged - there but for the grace etc etc. I'm no soft touch but I do believe in supporting the judgment of support workers.
ClevelandPC you're pretty much on your own in this column where there's very much an empathy bypass. Some of the correspondents need to go back and read the letter and the comments from Tim Nichols who quite rightly said that we're a richer nation than in 1920 the gap between the poor and others is growing and has done ever since Mrs T came to power. I take on board what you say about the people you have to help and quite believe you. The first thought here should be for the children and for those families who find themselves, very often through no fault of their own, in distress. I spent a childhood in childrens homes and refused to go back home when I had the chance. My three younger brothers did, my brother passed his 13+ and was sent to the grammar school. My parents could not afford his new uniform, he sat in a corridor for 3 weeks and then was sent back to the secondary school. What I'm saying is I know what real poverty is and know that very often there's no black and white circumsatnces. My default position is alway sympathy for the disadvantaged - there but for the grace etc etc. I'm no soft touch but I do believe in supporting the judgment of support workers. victorjames

8:57pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Jonn says...

kristal27 wrote:
jonn -disability cars are free stop peddling myths. Free as in you lease them and the government then pays you a benefit -mobility benefit -to pay for the lease. check out the rates -amazing!
http://www.motabilit

y.co.uk/cars-and-wav

s/search/cars/?subTy

pe=1&originalTot
alRo
ws=1739&allowanc
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pe=DLA&web_range
make
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;web
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Rates look pretty standard to me. Also, the motobility scheme is largely self funded through charity and corporate donations.
I don't know about you but I'd rather be able bodied than disabled and get a 'free car'!
My Mothers friend lost her leg when she was 6 after being run over by a bus. (she works but is in alot of pain and has difficulty getting about compared to the able bodied) She was recently abused when parking in a disabled bay, "There's nothing wrong with you" a woman shouted. She became rather sheepish when my mothers friend showed her her false leg. She just laughed it off as the woman was obviously a poisonous ****. She's definitely seen an attitude change towards her in the last 3 years, it's down to this rather nasty Governments propaganda campaign against those less fortunate.
[quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: jonn -disability cars are free stop peddling myths. Free as in you lease them and the government then pays you a benefit -mobility benefit -to pay for the lease. check out the rates -amazing! http://www.motabilit y.co.uk/cars-and-wav s/search/cars/?subTy pe=1&originalTot alRo ws=1739&allowanc e_ty pe=DLA&web_range make =&web_car_type=S mall +cars&web_car_ty pe=M edium+cars&web_c ar_t ype=Family+cars& web_ car_type=Estates& ;web _car_type=SUVs%2F4x4 s&web_car_type=C oupe s%2FRoadsters%2FCabr iolets&Find=[/p][/quote]Rates look pretty standard to me. Also, the motobility scheme is largely self funded through charity and corporate donations. I don't know about you but I'd rather be able bodied than disabled and get a 'free car'! My Mothers friend lost her leg when she was 6 after being run over by a bus. (she works but is in alot of pain and has difficulty getting about compared to the able bodied) She was recently abused when parking in a disabled bay, "There's nothing wrong with you" a woman shouted. She became rather sheepish when my mothers friend showed her her false leg. She just laughed it off as the woman was obviously a poisonous ****. She's definitely seen an attitude change towards her in the last 3 years, it's down to this rather nasty Governments propaganda campaign against those less fortunate. Jonn

3:00am Mon 30 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Surely, if we accept the green agenda, the fact that the planet has limited resources, the need to cut CO2, and that there is only so much money to go around, the conclusion is obvious. Darwinianism must be allowed to take its course.
Surely, if we accept the green agenda, the fact that the planet has limited resources, the need to cut CO2, and that there is only so much money to go around, the conclusion is obvious. Darwinianism must be allowed to take its course. Voice-of-reality

8:46am Mon 30 Dec 13

pandorica says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scumThank goodness I am not the only human being with some kind of morals and heart. I agree 100% with your comments. A life changing event can happen unexpectedly and you find yourself in a downward spiral through no fault of your own. Such as redundancy, illness, separation, carers for family. So nice to know what people think of you as being a work shy alchohol smoking dole scrounger who buys booze and fags instead looking after their kids. God help you all if you find yourself in need of help, this government will make sure we turn against our own people before it faces up to the fact their screwing you over whilst they get rich laughing their greedy trouts off in your face. So so easy to blame the unemployed, yet people on lower wages cannot afford to live either. Instead of looking down your noses at the poor just think what would happen if you or yours ended up on hard times?
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scumThank goodness I am not the only human being with some kind of morals and heart. I agree 100% with your comments. A life changing event can happen unexpectedly and you find yourself in a downward spiral through no fault of your own. Such as redundancy, illness, separation, carers for family. So nice to know what people think of you as being a work shy alchohol smoking dole scrounger who buys booze and fags instead looking after their kids. God help you all if you find yourself in need of help, this government will make sure we turn against our own people before it faces up to the fact their screwing you over whilst they get rich laughing their greedy trouts off in your face. So so easy to blame the unemployed, yet people on lower wages cannot afford to live either. Instead of looking down your noses at the poor just think what would happen if you or yours ended up on hard times? pandorica

9:03am Mon 30 Dec 13

pandorica says...

I agree PC with your comments. This country will become nothing and certainly will not be GREAT BRITAIN any more. Unless trolls on here see reality face to face and it hits them hard then maybe they will understand.
I agree PC with your comments. This country will become nothing and certainly will not be GREAT BRITAIN any more. Unless trolls on here see reality face to face and it hits them hard then maybe they will understand. pandorica

9:08am Mon 30 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
Surely, if we accept the green agenda, the fact that the planet has limited resources, the need to cut CO2, and that there is only so much money to go around, the conclusion is obvious. Darwinianism must be allowed to take its course.
Here we have it people, right wing ideology in a nut shell.
Natural selection, this is what our Prime Minister and his fellow Tories believe of it's citizens too, but only in private.
The poor and disabled can just fu*k off and die.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: Surely, if we accept the green agenda, the fact that the planet has limited resources, the need to cut CO2, and that there is only so much money to go around, the conclusion is obvious. Darwinianism must be allowed to take its course.[/p][/quote]Here we have it people, right wing ideology in a nut shell. Natural selection, this is what our Prime Minister and his fellow Tories believe of it's citizens too, but only in private. The poor and disabled can just fu*k off and die. Jonn

10:13am Mon 30 Dec 13

onlinereader says...

My father actually used this fund for me back in the 70's when there was little if no social assistance. He would have been lost without it and we were truly needy at the time. This funding should be given to those parents who are only truly needy...... and those parents who are drug users, smokers, drinkers, have a car, virgin or sky TV and internet are not truly needy and these things should be checked before any allowance is given.
My father actually used this fund for me back in the 70's when there was little if no social assistance. He would have been lost without it and we were truly needy at the time. This funding should be given to those parents who are only truly needy...... and those parents who are drug users, smokers, drinkers, have a car, virgin or sky TV and internet are not truly needy and these things should be checked before any allowance is given. onlinereader

10:27am Mon 30 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
Surely, if we accept the green agenda, the fact that the planet has limited resources, the need to cut CO2, and that there is only so much money to go around, the conclusion is obvious. Darwinianism must be allowed to take its course.
Social darwinisnism ? Really the idea that humans are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largelys are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited - why ? Because we are humans not animals. if survival if the fittest was to prevail only the genes of rapists and murders would be passed on - there would be no society , equally the likes of Stephen Hawkins would never of been allowed to reach fruition and the soft ware you are using to right your far right opinion probably wouldn't be at your disposal.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: Surely, if we accept the green agenda, the fact that the planet has limited resources, the need to cut CO2, and that there is only so much money to go around, the conclusion is obvious. Darwinianism must be allowed to take its course.[/p][/quote]Social darwinisnism ? Really the idea that humans are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largelys are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited - why ? Because we are humans not animals. if survival if the fittest was to prevail only the genes of rapists and murders would be passed on - there would be no society , equally the likes of Stephen Hawkins would never of been allowed to reach fruition and the soft ware you are using to right your far right opinion probably wouldn't be at your disposal. CLEVELANDPC

10:52am Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

Onlinereader, And just how will you police who should get help from foodbanks,peoples circumstances are already checked by social services,and by g,p's,you are another one who believes every lie the tories tell you-grow up.
Onlinereader, And just how will you police who should get help from foodbanks,peoples circumstances are already checked by social services,and by g,p's,you are another one who believes every lie the tories tell you-grow up. sineater

11:19am Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

spragger wrote:
If its free they will come.
You noticed anyone turning down free food?
The government have just turned down a 2.2 million grant to help the food banks. Just so they do not have to admit there is a problem.

” There are None so Blind as Those who will Not See ”
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: If its free they will come. You noticed anyone turning down free food?[/p][/quote]The government have just turned down a 2.2 million grant to help the food banks. Just so they do not have to admit there is a problem. ” There are None so Blind as Those who will Not See ” EDd____

12:00pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jonn says...

EDd____ wrote:
spragger wrote:
If its free they will come.
You noticed anyone turning down free food?
The government have just turned down a 2.2 million grant to help the food banks. Just so they do not have to admit there is a problem.

” There are None so Blind as Those who will Not See ”
It was actually 22 million they refused. But, as you say, to accept the money would have meant accepting that there was a problem. Toss*rs.
[quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: If its free they will come. You noticed anyone turning down free food?[/p][/quote]The government have just turned down a 2.2 million grant to help the food banks. Just so they do not have to admit there is a problem. ” There are None so Blind as Those who will Not See ”[/p][/quote]It was actually 22 million they refused. But, as you say, to accept the money would have meant accepting that there was a problem. Toss*rs. Jonn

12:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

But they can spend £10.2 million on this!!!
George Osborne spends £10m of taxpayer cash on swanky new 'Big Brother' Treasury revamp.
http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/geo
rge-osborne-spends-1
0m-taxpayer-2871076#
ixzz2mQIpafwr
But they can spend £10.2 million on this!!! George Osborne spends £10m of taxpayer cash on swanky new 'Big Brother' Treasury revamp. http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/geo rge-osborne-spends-1 0m-taxpayer-2871076# ixzz2mQIpafwr EDd____

1:46pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

sineater wrote:
Onlinereader, And just how will you police who should get help from foodbanks,peoples circumstances are already checked by social services,and by g,p's,you are another one who believes every lie the tories tell you-grow up.
So you are saying that the DSS check that they aren't drug using, smoking, drinking, driving a car, and have or haven't got Sky, Virgin or t'internet? So if they do have or partake in these luxuries they don't qualify for handouts at the food banks, is that also what you are saying? And it's a simple yes or no answer to both questions. And your lack of reply will indicate to me it's a no and errr, no!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Onlinereader, And just how will you police who should get help from foodbanks,peoples circumstances are already checked by social services,and by g,p's,you are another one who believes every lie the tories tell you-grow up.[/p][/quote]So you are saying that the DSS check that they aren't drug using, smoking, drinking, driving a car, and have or haven't got Sky, Virgin or t'internet? So if they do have or partake in these luxuries they don't qualify for handouts at the food banks, is that also what you are saying? And it's a simple yes or no answer to both questions. And your lack of reply will indicate to me it's a no and errr, no!! Jackaranda

2:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

Once again the usual lefties are on this thread shouting down anyone who has an opinion different to them!

What I find interesting is that they were all absent from the recent article ( http://www.thenorthe
rnecho.co.uk/news/10
883405.Couple_plead_
with_council_to_fix_
dilapidated_house_fo
r_the_sake_of_their_
health/ commenting on two DBC tennants ) complaining about the condition of their council house - choosing to ignore that article totally as it did not support their argument of increased benefits for all (or those that demand them).

I am a supporter of helping those in need due to no fault of their own but refuse to support those who choose to make themselves needy. The left refuse to acknowledge this latter category - insisting that everyone is hard working - I'm sorry but many are not and until the rules of the benefit system are changed then this will continue.
Once again the usual lefties are on this thread shouting down anyone who has an opinion different to them! What I find interesting is that they were all absent from the recent article ( http://www.thenorthe rnecho.co.uk/news/10 883405.Couple_plead_ with_council_to_fix_ dilapidated_house_fo r_the_sake_of_their_ health/ commenting on two DBC tennants ) complaining about the condition of their council house - choosing to ignore that article totally as it did not support their argument of increased benefits for all (or those that demand them). I am a supporter of helping those in need due to no fault of their own but refuse to support those who choose to make themselves needy. The left refuse to acknowledge this latter category - insisting that everyone is hard working - I'm sorry but many are not and until the rules of the benefit system are changed then this will continue. DarloXman

3:52pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

DarloXman wrote:
Once again the usual lefties are on this thread shouting down anyone who has an opinion different to them!

What I find interesting is that they were all absent from the recent article ( http://www.thenorthe

rnecho.co.uk/news/10

883405.Couple_plead_

with_council_to_fix_

dilapidated_house_fo

r_the_sake_of_their_

health/ commenting on two DBC tennants ) complaining about the condition of their council house - choosing to ignore that article totally as it did not support their argument of increased benefits for all (or those that demand them).

I am a supporter of helping those in need due to no fault of their own but refuse to support those who choose to make themselves needy. The left refuse to acknowledge this latter category - insisting that everyone is hard working - I'm sorry but many are not and until the rules of the benefit system are changed then this will continue.
I understand what you are trying to get at but it works both ways. Do you think it o.k. for Esther McVile to claimed £18,000 for accommodation when she obviously does not need to?

http://www.esthermcv
ey.com/my-expense-cl
aims-201112/
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: Once again the usual lefties are on this thread shouting down anyone who has an opinion different to them! What I find interesting is that they were all absent from the recent article ( http://www.thenorthe rnecho.co.uk/news/10 883405.Couple_plead_ with_council_to_fix_ dilapidated_house_fo r_the_sake_of_their_ health/ commenting on two DBC tennants ) complaining about the condition of their council house - choosing to ignore that article totally as it did not support their argument of increased benefits for all (or those that demand them). I am a supporter of helping those in need due to no fault of their own but refuse to support those who choose to make themselves needy. The left refuse to acknowledge this latter category - insisting that everyone is hard working - I'm sorry but many are not and until the rules of the benefit system are changed then this will continue.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are trying to get at but it works both ways. Do you think it o.k. for Esther McVile to claimed £18,000 for accommodation when she obviously does not need to? http://www.esthermcv ey.com/my-expense-cl aims-201112/ EDd____

4:11pm Mon 30 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

I don't know anything about Ms McVey's expenses other than this summary for the 4 Wirral MP's.......

Wirral South MP Alison McGovern (Lab) had the highest claim with a total of £190,159; of that sum, £133,588 went on staffing costs, £22,709 for accommodation and £10,530 on travel expenses.

Wirral West MP Esther McVey (Cons) claimed £170,928: £120,066 on staff; £20,000 for accommodation and £6,924 for travel.

Wallasey MP Angela Eagle (Lab) claimed £155,950: £130,226 on staff; £5,319 for accommodation and £5,058 for travel.

Birkenhead MP Frank Field (Lab) claimed £137,044: £120,000 on staff and £8,923 for travel. He made no claims for accommodation.

Tell me the story, giving me references and I will comment.

Also - please stop the multiple liking your own posts!
I don't know anything about Ms McVey's expenses other than this summary for the 4 Wirral MP's....... Wirral South MP Alison McGovern (Lab) had the highest claim with a total of £190,159; of that sum, £133,588 went on staffing costs, £22,709 for accommodation and £10,530 on travel expenses. Wirral West MP Esther McVey (Cons) claimed £170,928: £120,066 on staff; £20,000 for accommodation and £6,924 for travel. Wallasey MP Angela Eagle (Lab) claimed £155,950: £130,226 on staff; £5,319 for accommodation and £5,058 for travel. Birkenhead MP Frank Field (Lab) claimed £137,044: £120,000 on staff and £8,923 for travel. He made no claims for accommodation. Tell me the story, giving me references and I will comment. Also - please stop the multiple liking your own posts! DarloXman

5:24pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space
Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space sineater

5:30pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

You are not a sheeple then. That is good. You have your own thoughts and make your own mind up that is clear.


I am not against you or with you on this, we will just have to find a middle man. ( we differ on bits) But like i said it works both ways; Are we both missing the big picture?
We know there is a problem. The question is what do we do about this insane situation.

Not sure what you mean about the last. I hate crackbook and twatter and want none of it .
Please do not poke me or start any twerking as i understand what it means, but i do not want to go there.

A combination of ideas might find something,between us; rather than your final solution.
You are not a sheeple then. That is good. You have your own thoughts and make your own mind up that is clear. I am not against you or with you on this, we will just have to find a middle man. ( we differ on bits) But like i said it works both ways; Are we both missing the big picture? We know there is a problem. The question is what do we do about this insane situation. Not sure what you mean about the last. I hate crackbook and twatter and want none of it . Please do not poke me or start any twerking as i understand what it means, but i do not want to go there. A combination of ideas might find something,between us; rather than your final solution. EDd____

5:57pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

Here is a challenge for the festive season. Lord Sumption divides judges into three categories: the “parson”, the “pragmatic realist” and the”analyst” (quoted by Professor Paterson in Final Judgment: The Last Law Lords and the Supreme Court). Which of these labels fit the respective speakers?

http://ukhumanrights
blog.com/2013/12/17/
senior-judges-speak-
out-on-eu-and-rights
-law/

DO YOU GET WHAT I MEAN?
Here is a challenge for the festive season. Lord Sumption divides judges into three categories: the “parson”, the “pragmatic realist” and the”analyst” (quoted by Professor Paterson in Final Judgment: The Last Law Lords and the Supreme Court). Which of these labels fit the respective speakers? http://ukhumanrights blog.com/2013/12/17/ senior-judges-speak- out-on-eu-and-rights -law/ DO YOU GET WHAT I MEAN? EDd____

6:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

sineater wrote:
Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space
Not required. sineater, and a bit out of order

Who are you fighting, with you spent up hatred????
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space[/p][/quote]Not required. sineater, and a bit out of order Who are you fighting, with you spent up hatred???? EDd____

6:06pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

We are all in this together. remember. LOL
We are all in this together. remember. LOL EDd____

7:00pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jonn says...

DarloXman wrote:
Once again the usual lefties are on this thread shouting down anyone who has an opinion different to them!

What I find interesting is that they were all absent from the recent article ( http://www.thenorthe

rnecho.co.uk/news/10

883405.Couple_plead_

with_council_to_fix_

dilapidated_house_fo

r_the_sake_of_their_

health/ commenting on two DBC tennants ) complaining about the condition of their council house - choosing to ignore that article totally as it did not support their argument of increased benefits for all (or those that demand them).

I am a supporter of helping those in need due to no fault of their own but refuse to support those who choose to make themselves needy. The left refuse to acknowledge this latter category - insisting that everyone is hard working - I'm sorry but many are not and until the rules of the benefit system are changed then this will continue.
That article was not about benefits was it. It was about a council house in disrepair.The commentors took it upon themselves to turn it into a different story.
You do not help yourself by making false statements, no one has ever said 'increase benefits for all'. Show me where anybody has ever said that??
What I am against is the likes of IDS who mis use statistics, lie to Parliament, implement illegal policies which break the law then have the law backdated and deliberatly use language that causes hate against genuinely sick people etc etc... All this to justify an ideological agenda.
Why do you assume people are 'left' just because they disagree with Government policy?
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: Once again the usual lefties are on this thread shouting down anyone who has an opinion different to them! What I find interesting is that they were all absent from the recent article ( http://www.thenorthe rnecho.co.uk/news/10 883405.Couple_plead_ with_council_to_fix_ dilapidated_house_fo r_the_sake_of_their_ health/ commenting on two DBC tennants ) complaining about the condition of their council house - choosing to ignore that article totally as it did not support their argument of increased benefits for all (or those that demand them). I am a supporter of helping those in need due to no fault of their own but refuse to support those who choose to make themselves needy. The left refuse to acknowledge this latter category - insisting that everyone is hard working - I'm sorry but many are not and until the rules of the benefit system are changed then this will continue.[/p][/quote]That article was not about benefits was it. It was about a council house in disrepair.The commentors took it upon themselves to turn it into a different story. You do not help yourself by making false statements, no one has ever said 'increase benefits for all'. Show me where anybody has ever said that?? What I am against is the likes of IDS who mis use statistics, lie to Parliament, implement illegal policies which break the law then have the law backdated and deliberatly use language that causes hate against genuinely sick people etc etc... All this to justify an ideological agenda. Why do you assume people are 'left' just because they disagree with Government policy? Jonn

7:16pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

EDd____ wrote:
sineater wrote:
Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space
Not required. sineater, and a bit out of order

Who are you fighting, with you spent up hatred????
It's in the character I'm afraid, the replies are the same to everyone, I do set out to wind Loopy up, as you can see it bites very quickly. I am trying though to work out when I have mocked anyone who's topped themselves, but as you say, the spent up hatred takes over and out comes a load of verbal diarrhoea!!
[quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space[/p][/quote]Not required. sineater, and a bit out of order Who are you fighting, with you spent up hatred????[/p][/quote]It's in the character I'm afraid, the replies are the same to everyone, I do set out to wind Loopy up, as you can see it bites very quickly. I am trying though to work out when I have mocked anyone who's topped themselves, but as you say, the spent up hatred takes over and out comes a load of verbal diarrhoea!! Jackaranda

7:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

Jonn, as you know, the referenced article was about a couple of DBC tenants well known in Darlington - they are frequent visitors to several Town Centre hostelries, heavy smokers (look at their facebook accounts), neither working, at least one claiming whatever DLA is now called, at least one with a criminal record and with at least six children between them, none of whom are being supported by them, as well as another on the way. This is very relevant to benefits - it is what supports their CHOSEN lifestyle. I would just like you to acknowledge that these, and many others like them do exist and are abusing the tax payer.

You are right - I've never seen you suggest "increased benefits for all" - but I have seen you suggest that existing benefits are insufficient and you oppose every proposed change to the benefits system that you have commented on - hence why I made that leap!

I apologise for assuming you have a left persuasion - I got this from your continued abuse of the Tories - e.g. calling them Toss*rs whilst commenting on this article.

My own beliefs are that those of us in the middle are abused by many of those at both the "top" and "bottom" of society. Both sets of these abusers exist and are equally as dangerous. Unfortunately, living in Darlington I see more of one group than the other - hence my more acute annoyance with these people!
Jonn, as you know, the referenced article was about a couple of DBC tenants well known in Darlington - they are frequent visitors to several Town Centre hostelries, heavy smokers (look at their facebook accounts), neither working, at least one claiming whatever DLA is now called, at least one with a criminal record and with at least six children between them, none of whom are being supported by them, as well as another on the way. This is very relevant to benefits - it is what supports their CHOSEN lifestyle. I would just like you to acknowledge that these, and many others like them do exist and are abusing the tax payer. You are right - I've never seen you suggest "increased benefits for all" - but I have seen you suggest that existing benefits are insufficient and you oppose every proposed change to the benefits system that you have commented on - hence why I made that leap! I apologise for assuming you have a left persuasion - I got this from your continued abuse of the Tories - e.g. calling them Toss*rs whilst commenting on this article. My own beliefs are that those of us in the middle are abused by many of those at both the "top" and "bottom" of society. Both sets of these abusers exist and are equally as dangerous. Unfortunately, living in Darlington I see more of one group than the other - hence my more acute annoyance with these people! DarloXman

7:38pm Mon 30 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

EDd____ - I understand what you mean about the big picture - I hope my comments to Jonn on the above post clarify my thoughts a little.
EDd____ - I understand what you mean about the big picture - I hope my comments to Jonn on the above post clarify my thoughts a little. DarloXman

8:02pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

So we agree on bits then? What is the final solution and what can we do to work together about this issue?

Lets not fight . That is what they want.

P.S. Strange how posts go missing. Never trust the MSM!!!!!
So we agree on bits then? What is the final solution and what can we do to work together about this issue? Lets not fight . That is what they want. P.S. Strange how posts go missing. Never trust the MSM!!!!! EDd____

8:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

Jackaranda wrote:
EDd____ wrote:
sineater wrote:
Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space
Not required. sineater, and a bit out of order

Who are you fighting, with you spent up hatred????
It's in the character I'm afraid, the replies are the same to everyone, I do set out to wind Loopy up, as you can see it bites very quickly. I am trying though to work out when I have mocked anyone who's topped themselves, but as you say, the spent up hatred takes over and out comes a load of verbal diarrhoea!!
It's not diarrhoea, hun!

Some people just get stuck in their ways that they never give them selves time to step back and look at the bigger picture! Sm,all brains and little minds. Even when they are given the proof as above.
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Yes Jacaranda, I think iff someome was a druggie or had other such problems,then their g.p. or social worker would be working with these people to help them with their problems.Are you suggesting that all people using food banks are on drugs ,or wasting their money in other ways A convienient excuse to avoid facing the truth,IDS couldn't defend his policies-he ran away, I can explain any subject you want Jacaranda,i won't run like IDS, it's easy dealing with a thick moron like you,arnt you embarresed mocking the suicide of the blind man who was in the news last week-o I forgot i'm dealing with a moron that explains it a little bit,anybody who mocks someone who was so desperate because of what this governent is doing to people he killed himself is not worth using as toilet paper, what a waste of space[/p][/quote]Not required. sineater, and a bit out of order Who are you fighting, with you spent up hatred????[/p][/quote]It's in the character I'm afraid, the replies are the same to everyone, I do set out to wind Loopy up, as you can see it bites very quickly. I am trying though to work out when I have mocked anyone who's topped themselves, but as you say, the spent up hatred takes over and out comes a load of verbal diarrhoea!![/p][/quote]It's not diarrhoea, hun! Some people just get stuck in their ways that they never give them selves time to step back and look at the bigger picture! Sm,all brains and little minds. Even when they are given the proof as above. EDd____

8:55pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell. sineater

8:56pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jonn says...

DarloXman wrote:
Jonn, as you know, the referenced article was about a couple of DBC tenants well known in Darlington - they are frequent visitors to several Town Centre hostelries, heavy smokers (look at their facebook accounts), neither working, at least one claiming whatever DLA is now called, at least one with a criminal record and with at least six children between them, none of whom are being supported by them, as well as another on the way. This is very relevant to benefits - it is what supports their CHOSEN lifestyle. I would just like you to acknowledge that these, and many others like them do exist and are abusing the tax payer.

You are right - I've never seen you suggest "increased benefits for all" - but I have seen you suggest that existing benefits are insufficient and you oppose every proposed change to the benefits system that you have commented on - hence why I made that leap!

I apologise for assuming you have a left persuasion - I got this from your continued abuse of the Tories - e.g. calling them Toss*rs whilst commenting on this article.

My own beliefs are that those of us in the middle are abused by many of those at both the "top" and "bottom" of society. Both sets of these abusers exist and are equally as dangerous. Unfortunately, living in Darlington I see more of one group than the other - hence my more acute annoyance with these people!
I am not familiar at all with the people in the article. I did not see the article until late but when I did, I saw a comment comparing myself to those in the picture which was particularly childish so I did not want to lower myself to enter such a debate.
Yes, people play the system, just like every other system is played but they are a minority and it is nothing compared to those at the top who bankrupt the country and are trying to divide sections of society against each other and blame everyone else but themselves. That's the biggest injustice of all.
I did not call the Tories toss*rs in that particular comment but the Government. I could equally call Tony Blair a toss*r for being a war criminal but that does not make me right wing.
I wish the whole of Parliament was brought down and start a fresh because the whole system is corrupt to the core and they don't give a toss about 'hard working taxpayers' or anyone else except themselves.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: Jonn, as you know, the referenced article was about a couple of DBC tenants well known in Darlington - they are frequent visitors to several Town Centre hostelries, heavy smokers (look at their facebook accounts), neither working, at least one claiming whatever DLA is now called, at least one with a criminal record and with at least six children between them, none of whom are being supported by them, as well as another on the way. This is very relevant to benefits - it is what supports their CHOSEN lifestyle. I would just like you to acknowledge that these, and many others like them do exist and are abusing the tax payer. You are right - I've never seen you suggest "increased benefits for all" - but I have seen you suggest that existing benefits are insufficient and you oppose every proposed change to the benefits system that you have commented on - hence why I made that leap! I apologise for assuming you have a left persuasion - I got this from your continued abuse of the Tories - e.g. calling them Toss*rs whilst commenting on this article. My own beliefs are that those of us in the middle are abused by many of those at both the "top" and "bottom" of society. Both sets of these abusers exist and are equally as dangerous. Unfortunately, living in Darlington I see more of one group than the other - hence my more acute annoyance with these people![/p][/quote]I am not familiar at all with the people in the article. I did not see the article until late but when I did, I saw a comment comparing myself to those in the picture which was particularly childish so I did not want to lower myself to enter such a debate. Yes, people play the system, just like every other system is played but they are a minority and it is nothing compared to those at the top who bankrupt the country and are trying to divide sections of society against each other and blame everyone else but themselves. That's the biggest injustice of all. I did not call the Tories toss*rs in that particular comment but the Government. I could equally call Tony Blair a toss*r for being a war criminal but that does not make me right wing. I wish the whole of Parliament was brought down and start a fresh because the whole system is corrupt to the core and they don't give a toss about 'hard working taxpayers' or anyone else except themselves. Jonn

9:11pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

Don't wory nothing I say on here is meant to be taken personally,but anyone who cannot see that the real enemy is this vicious government ,needs to give there head a shake, they love people falling out and fighting,they and their bosses in the banking industry are everyones enemy, not individual groups of ordinary people across the country.
Don't wory nothing I say on here is meant to be taken personally,but anyone who cannot see that the real enemy is this vicious government ,needs to give there head a shake, they love people falling out and fighting,they and their bosses in the banking industry are everyones enemy, not individual groups of ordinary people across the country. sineater

9:13pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!"

Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.[/p][/quote]"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!" Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!! Jackaranda

9:32pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

Jonn wrote:
DarloXman wrote:
Jonn, as you know, the referenced article was about a couple of DBC tenants well known in Darlington - they are frequent visitors to several Town Centre hostelries, heavy smokers (look at their facebook accounts), neither working, at least one claiming whatever DLA is now called, at least one with a criminal record and with at least six children between them, none of whom are being supported by them, as well as another on the way. This is very relevant to benefits - it is what supports their CHOSEN lifestyle. I would just like you to acknowledge that these, and many others like them do exist and are abusing the tax payer.

You are right - I've never seen you suggest "increased benefits for all" - but I have seen you suggest that existing benefits are insufficient and you oppose every proposed change to the benefits system that you have commented on - hence why I made that leap!

I apologise for assuming you have a left persuasion - I got this from your continued abuse of the Tories - e.g. calling them Toss*rs whilst commenting on this article.

My own beliefs are that those of us in the middle are abused by many of those at both the "top" and "bottom" of society. Both sets of these abusers exist and are equally as dangerous. Unfortunately, living in Darlington I see more of one group than the other - hence my more acute annoyance with these people!
I am not familiar at all with the people in the article. I did not see the article until late but when I did, I saw a comment comparing myself to those in the picture which was particularly childish so I did not want to lower myself to enter such a debate.
Yes, people play the system, just like every other system is played but they are a minority and it is nothing compared to those at the top who bankrupt the country and are trying to divide sections of society against each other and blame everyone else but themselves. That's the biggest injustice of all.
I did not call the Tories toss*rs in that particular comment but the Government. I could equally call Tony Blair a toss*r for being a war criminal but that does not make me right wing.
I wish the whole of Parliament was brought down and start a fresh because the whole system is corrupt to the core and they don't give a toss about 'hard working taxpayers' or anyone else except themselves.
I really must apologise profusely, I was only having a bit of fun, how could I compare you to anyone as I don't know you, I wouldn't have done it had I known you were going to get a monk on, I am really annoyed I gave you an excuse not to "enter such a debate" you petulant schoolie!!
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: Jonn, as you know, the referenced article was about a couple of DBC tenants well known in Darlington - they are frequent visitors to several Town Centre hostelries, heavy smokers (look at their facebook accounts), neither working, at least one claiming whatever DLA is now called, at least one with a criminal record and with at least six children between them, none of whom are being supported by them, as well as another on the way. This is very relevant to benefits - it is what supports their CHOSEN lifestyle. I would just like you to acknowledge that these, and many others like them do exist and are abusing the tax payer. You are right - I've never seen you suggest "increased benefits for all" - but I have seen you suggest that existing benefits are insufficient and you oppose every proposed change to the benefits system that you have commented on - hence why I made that leap! I apologise for assuming you have a left persuasion - I got this from your continued abuse of the Tories - e.g. calling them Toss*rs whilst commenting on this article. My own beliefs are that those of us in the middle are abused by many of those at both the "top" and "bottom" of society. Both sets of these abusers exist and are equally as dangerous. Unfortunately, living in Darlington I see more of one group than the other - hence my more acute annoyance with these people![/p][/quote]I am not familiar at all with the people in the article. I did not see the article until late but when I did, I saw a comment comparing myself to those in the picture which was particularly childish so I did not want to lower myself to enter such a debate. Yes, people play the system, just like every other system is played but they are a minority and it is nothing compared to those at the top who bankrupt the country and are trying to divide sections of society against each other and blame everyone else but themselves. That's the biggest injustice of all. I did not call the Tories toss*rs in that particular comment but the Government. I could equally call Tony Blair a toss*r for being a war criminal but that does not make me right wing. I wish the whole of Parliament was brought down and start a fresh because the whole system is corrupt to the core and they don't give a toss about 'hard working taxpayers' or anyone else except themselves.[/p][/quote]I really must apologise profusely, I was only having a bit of fun, how could I compare you to anyone as I don't know you, I wouldn't have done it had I known you were going to get a monk on, I am really annoyed I gave you an excuse not to "enter such a debate" you petulant schoolie!! Jackaranda

9:46pm Mon 30 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

Jackaranda wrote:
sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!"

Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!!
Fancy mocking the accent of an entire region to prove a point . What a wonderful human being you are jacaranda - says a lot about what you think about the people of the north, What a joke.
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.[/p][/quote]"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!" Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!![/p][/quote]Fancy mocking the accent of an entire region to prove a point . What a wonderful human being you are jacaranda - says a lot about what you think about the people of the north, What a joke. CLEVELANDPC

9:49pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

Jackaranda wrote:
sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!"

Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!!
If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school!
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.[/p][/quote]"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!" Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!![/p][/quote]If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school! EDd____

9:56pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
Jackaranda wrote:
sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!"

Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!!
Fancy mocking the accent of an entire region to prove a point . What a wonderful human being you are jacaranda - says a lot about what you think about the people of the north, What a joke.
What accent am I mocking?
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.[/p][/quote]"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!" Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!![/p][/quote]Fancy mocking the accent of an entire region to prove a point . What a wonderful human being you are jacaranda - says a lot about what you think about the people of the north, What a joke.[/p][/quote]What accent am I mocking? Jackaranda

10:00pm Mon 30 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

EDd____ wrote:
Jackaranda wrote:
sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!"

Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!!
If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school!
What are you even talking about ? I know that's supposed to be witty but obviously I can't grasp you level of intelligent banter. I'm still waiting for the punch line ? It must be great being you.
[quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.[/p][/quote]"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!" Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!![/p][/quote]If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school![/p][/quote]What are you even talking about ? I know that's supposed to be witty but obviously I can't grasp you level of intelligent banter. I'm still waiting for the punch line ? It must be great being you. CLEVELANDPC

10:07pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
EDd____ wrote:
Jackaranda wrote:
sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!"

Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!!
If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school!
What are you even talking about ? I know that's supposed to be witty but obviously I can't grasp you level of intelligent banter. I'm still waiting for the punch line ? It must be great being you.
Irony is supposed to be funny. You fail to grasp the first concept. That is why i offered you help.

Do you get the irony now or do you need a link to the Skills Funding Agency.
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[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.[/p][/quote]"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!" Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!![/p][/quote]If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school![/p][/quote]What are you even talking about ? I know that's supposed to be witty but obviously I can't grasp you level of intelligent banter. I'm still waiting for the punch line ? It must be great being you.[/p][/quote]Irony is supposed to be funny. You fail to grasp the first concept. That is why i offered you help. Do you get the irony now or do you need a link to the Skills Funding Agency. https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& q=&esrc=s&source=web &cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0C DAQFjAA&url=http%3A% 2F%2Fskillsfundingag ency.bis.gov.uk%2F&e i=k-7BUpLBLMOVhQeTjw E&usg=AFQjCNFl8jbB7Q toQ2vyiy7s7wAGjqa7kA &bvm=bv.58187178,d.Z G4 ??? EDd____

10:09pm Mon 30 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

EDd____ wrote:
Jackaranda wrote:
sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.
"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!"

Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!!
If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school!
I don't need help with my English at all - I need help understanding why any of that is funny ? This is a regional paper. And people do have northern accents and I'm not explaining myself to the likes if yous that are quite frankly just offensive if you are as intelligent as you profess to be you work it out
[quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, I know you make attemts to wind me up,keep trying and maybe you will get there someday,but you did do you're best after I mentioned about the blind man commited suicide who had his benefits cut,you mentioned it to Kristal ,sorry your memory is failing ,just like your wit. Me get angry, I merely defend people who need defending from people like you. There are unemployed people who are not worth defending of course,just like there are some workers who coast through their job,what I dislike is people on here generalising and dismissing whole groups of people, the cuts are going to far,and i'm sure the people who run food banks could find other things to do iff the job was not so vital. Do people who dismiss food banks think they are a con,as IDS, tried to suggest,he is to cowardly to meet them,and he walked out of the commons because he could not defend his actions,iff he was in the right he would have stayed ,his leaving tells everyone he is in the wrong,and everyone who criticises food banks are wrong aswell.[/p][/quote]"Kristal, you will find that you'll mostly get the Lefty crap in regards to this subject i.e. she only get 60 quid a week tha knars, this dreadful Government tha knars, and loopy will no doubt come on and tell you that someone has committed suicide because they had to wait 5 minutes at a food bank for a hoy oot!!" Sorry like, but thez nowt there aboot some blind bloke topping eesell cos his hoyoots were stopped, yarra radgie gadgie yee Loopy!![/p][/quote]If you need help with your English hun then the DWP can help. You will not be tainted as a outcast. Try the Skills Funding Agency; or sue your school![/p][/quote]I don't need help with my English at all - I need help understanding why any of that is funny ? This is a regional paper. And people do have northern accents and I'm not explaining myself to the likes if yous that are quite frankly just offensive if you are as intelligent as you profess to be you work it out CLEVELANDPC

10:12pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

CLEVELANDPC. That was not aimed at you!!!
CLEVELANDPC. That was not aimed at you!!! EDd____

10:13pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

Forget it ED, CLEVELANDPC's on the warpath, she doesn't know what accent I'm mocking, I hope she doesn't think it's smoggie!!!
Forget it ED, CLEVELANDPC's on the warpath, she doesn't know what accent I'm mocking, I hope she doesn't think it's smoggie!!! Jackaranda

10:18pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

EDd____ wrote:
CLEVELANDPC. That was not aimed at you!!!
That in itself is ironic. The comment was not issued at you. CLEVELANDPC. I have no qualms with your comments.
[quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: CLEVELANDPC. That was not aimed at you!!![/p][/quote]That in itself is ironic. The comment was not issued at you. CLEVELANDPC. I have no qualms with your comments. EDd____

10:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

It's a northern accent and used to the effect to mock a comment about people on benefits - so tell me where are you from to make such assumptions and offend so many ? And what makes you think I'm a female is the interesting question ????
It's a northern accent and used to the effect to mock a comment about people on benefits - so tell me where are you from to make such assumptions and offend so many ? And what makes you think I'm a female is the interesting question ???? CLEVELANDPC

10:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

EDd____ says...

I will get my coat. thanks.
I will get my coat. thanks. EDd____

10:31pm Mon 30 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

EDd____ wrote:
I will get my coat. thanks.
My question was directed at jackaranda
[quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: I will get my coat. thanks.[/p][/quote]My question was directed at jackaranda CLEVELANDPC

10:38pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

It's a Geordie accent, one was born in Newcarsel (the toon) in the 50's, dragged up in Gateshead (the heed) in the 60's, 70's and 80's, so a cannit taalk nee different ti worra taalk everyday like!! Mocking the accent FFS, wee are ye like, the captain of the threads? I never assumed you were female, it's a reference to the phrase "Oooh Get Her"
It's a Geordie accent, one was born in Newcarsel (the toon) in the 50's, dragged up in Gateshead (the heed) in the 60's, 70's and 80's, so a cannit taalk nee different ti worra taalk everyday like!! Mocking the accent FFS, wee are ye like, the captain of the threads? I never assumed you were female, it's a reference to the phrase "Oooh Get Her" Jackaranda

10:46pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

EDd____ wrote:
CLEVELANDPC. That was not aimed at you!!!
Correct, at 9.49pm ED was having a pop at me, which he is entitled to, not you CLEVELAND, but as your short fuse was already burning you roped him into your rant!!!
[quote][p][bold]EDd____[/bold] wrote: CLEVELANDPC. That was not aimed at you!!![/p][/quote]Correct, at 9.49pm ED was having a pop at me, which he is entitled to, not you CLEVELAND, but as your short fuse was already burning you roped him into your rant!!! Jackaranda

10:49pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

Now come on everyone, stop the tetchiness, yizzill aall have ann yirrizzims, and then al have neeboddy ti taalk tee!!
Now come on everyone, stop the tetchiness, yizzill aall have ann yirrizzims, and then al have neeboddy ti taalk tee!! Jackaranda

10:57pm Mon 30 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

Jackaranda wrote:
It's a Geordie accent, one was born in Newcarsel (the toon) in the 50's, dragged up in Gateshead (the heed) in the 60's, 70's and 80's, so a cannit taalk nee different ti worra taalk everyday like!! Mocking the accent FFS, wee are ye like, the captain of the threads? I never assumed you were female, it's a reference to the phrase "Oooh Get Her"
No just someone who sees the good that's still here.
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: It's a Geordie accent, one was born in Newcarsel (the toon) in the 50's, dragged up in Gateshead (the heed) in the 60's, 70's and 80's, so a cannit taalk nee different ti worra taalk everyday like!! Mocking the accent FFS, wee are ye like, the captain of the threads? I never assumed you were female, it's a reference to the phrase "Oooh Get Her"[/p][/quote]No just someone who sees the good that's still here. CLEVELANDPC

1:45am Tue 31 Dec 13

sablepoot1967 says...

pandorica wrote:
CLEVELANDPC wrote:
In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scumThank goodness I am not the only human being with some kind of morals and heart. I agree 100% with your comments. A life changing event can happen unexpectedly and you find yourself in a downward spiral through no fault of your own. Such as redundancy, illness, separation, carers for family. So nice to know what people think of you as being a work shy alchohol smoking dole scrounger who buys booze and fags instead looking after their kids. God help you all if you find yourself in need of help, this government will make sure we turn against our own people before it faces up to the fact their screwing you over whilst they get rich laughing their greedy trouts off in your face. So so easy to blame the unemployed, yet people on lower wages cannot afford to live either. Instead of looking down your noses at the poor just think what would happen if you or yours ended up on hard times?I agree with everything you say! Too many people with their heads burried in the sand!..............I hope they don't up on hard times;......Oh yes I do! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scumThank goodness I am not the only human being with some kind of morals and heart. I agree 100% with your comments. A life changing event can happen unexpectedly and you find yourself in a downward spiral through no fault of your own. Such as redundancy, illness, separation, carers for family. So nice to know what people think of you as being a work shy alchohol smoking dole scrounger who buys booze and fags instead looking after their kids. God help you all if you find yourself in need of help, this government will make sure we turn against our own people before it faces up to the fact their screwing you over whilst they get rich laughing their greedy trouts off in your face. So so easy to blame the unemployed, yet people on lower wages cannot afford to live either. Instead of looking down your noses at the poor just think what would happen if you or yours ended up on hard times?[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you say! Too many people with their heads burried in the sand!..............I hope they don't up on hard times;......Oh yes I do! ;-) sablepoot1967

1:55am Tue 31 Dec 13

sablepoot1967 says...

sablepoot1967 wrote:
pandorica wrote:
CLEVELANDPC wrote:
In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scumThank goodness I am not the only human being with some kind of morals and heart. I agree 100% with your comments. A life changing event can happen unexpectedly and you find yourself in a downward spiral through no fault of your own. Such as redundancy, illness, separation, carers for family. So nice to know what people think of you as being a work shy alchohol smoking dole scrounger who buys booze and fags instead looking after their kids. God help you all if you find yourself in need of help, this government will make sure we turn against our own people before it faces up to the fact their screwing you over whilst they get rich laughing their greedy trouts off in your face. So so easy to blame the unemployed, yet people on lower wages cannot afford to live either. Instead of looking down your noses at the poor just think what would happen if you or yours ended up on hard times?I agree with everything you say! Too many people with their heads burried in the sand!..............I hope they don't up on hard times;......Oh yes I do! ;-)@CLEVELANDPC.......a
ll the people against you on here are probably "hard working men" who sit in their work vans all day doing **** all but listening to the radio and filling their guts with junk food watching other people work then going home feeling they deserve a well earned drink!.......ARSEHOL
ES!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]sablepoot1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: In full time employment, not on any benefits, so can say this ( and eve if I was not I still would ) it's a sad state of affairs when the country has devolved to this. No not "benefit cheating scumThank goodness I am not the only human being with some kind of morals and heart. I agree 100% with your comments. A life changing event can happen unexpectedly and you find yourself in a downward spiral through no fault of your own. Such as redundancy, illness, separation, carers for family. So nice to know what people think of you as being a work shy alchohol smoking dole scrounger who buys booze and fags instead looking after their kids. God help you all if you find yourself in need of help, this government will make sure we turn against our own people before it faces up to the fact their screwing you over whilst they get rich laughing their greedy trouts off in your face. So so easy to blame the unemployed, yet people on lower wages cannot afford to live either. Instead of looking down your noses at the poor just think what would happen if you or yours ended up on hard times?[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you say! Too many people with their heads burried in the sand!..............I hope they don't up on hard times;......Oh yes I do! ;-)[/p][/quote]@CLEVELANDPC.......a ll the people against you on here are probably "hard working men" who sit in their work vans all day doing **** all but listening to the radio and filling their guts with junk food watching other people work then going home feeling they deserve a well earned drink!.......ARSEHOL ES!!!!! sablepoot1967

10:04am Tue 31 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

sablepoot - it's interesting how those who claim to be the most caring are often those that are the most rude and abusive to other posters.

Happy New Year to you.
sablepoot - it's interesting how those who claim to be the most caring are often those that are the most rude and abusive to other posters. Happy New Year to you. DarloXman

11:05am Tue 31 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

DarloXman wrote:
sablepoot - it's interesting how those who claim to be the most caring are often those that are the most rude and abusive to other posters.

Happy New Year to you.
Voice of reality seems to favour genocide, culling of the underclass and disabled and he's fighting the rights corner and doesn't profess to care at all - scroat is a word I've seen used a lot often used on Jeramy Kyle and I find that abusive and offensive again used by the right who quite frankly think they are blameless and can do no wrong - happy new year
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: sablepoot - it's interesting how those who claim to be the most caring are often those that are the most rude and abusive to other posters. Happy New Year to you.[/p][/quote]Voice of reality seems to favour genocide, culling of the underclass and disabled and he's fighting the rights corner and doesn't profess to care at all - scroat is a word I've seen used a lot often used on Jeramy Kyle and I find that abusive and offensive again used by the right who quite frankly think they are blameless and can do no wrong - happy new year CLEVELANDPC

11:34am Tue 31 Dec 13

settheworldonfire says...

bishlass wrote:
kristal27 wrote:
Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....
I think she'll be getting approx £360 per MONTH family allowance
plus everything backdated....
[quote][p][bold]bishlass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kristal27[/bold] wrote: Cleveland PC I am quite aware of the referral service with regard to food banks. Your sob story of the alleged women with 7 children on £60 per week benefit falls flat when you add up the Family Allowance payments of Approx £380 pounds a week she will be getting (this is given to everyone with children and totally separate from any means tested benefits) -hardly starving... £1560 a month to feed her kids - whatever....[/p][/quote]I think she'll be getting approx £360 per MONTH family allowance[/p][/quote]plus everything backdated.... settheworldonfire

11:52am Tue 31 Dec 13

elmo33 says...

BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS - DOES RED ED HAVE HIS BROTHERS TRAITS
The Labour Party had a lucky escape from David Miliband who epitomised the typical Gravy Train ‘Politician’ .Whilst being Foreign Secretary in the Blair ‘Government’ he got used to all the expensive trapping that go with that post so much so that when he lost the Labour Leadership to his brother he took 14 sponsored Foreign Trips costing £47,500 giving speeches and attending conferences .
The jaunts took him away from constituency duties for 46 days and earned him £400,000 in addition to his MP’S salary .Can anyone not have their position compromised with rewards like that.
He is now CEO of International Rescue in the USA and neighbour to Spiv Blair .
Another of his interests is he is on the list of MPs who will benefit from the Privatisation of the NHS when bit by bit it is contracted out he will begin to reap the rewards .
Is this a family trait or is Ed Miliband as naïve has he portrays and intimidated by Ed Balls ,if so its time he grew a pair and weeded out all Blairites to show us he is has some credibility in a discredited Party similar to Shamcams Coalition .Is there any wonder that Business is corrupt with so many Politicians on Company Boards .
http://brokenmritish
politics.simplesite.
com
BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS - DOES RED ED HAVE HIS BROTHERS TRAITS The Labour Party had a lucky escape from David Miliband who epitomised the typical Gravy Train ‘Politician’ .Whilst being Foreign Secretary in the Blair ‘Government’ he got used to all the expensive trapping that go with that post so much so that when he lost the Labour Leadership to his brother he took 14 sponsored Foreign Trips costing £47,500 giving speeches and attending conferences . The jaunts took him away from constituency duties for 46 days and earned him £400,000 in addition to his MP’S salary .Can anyone not have their position compromised with rewards like that. He is now CEO of International Rescue in the USA and neighbour to Spiv Blair . Another of his interests is he is on the list of MPs who will benefit from the Privatisation of the NHS when bit by bit it is contracted out he will begin to reap the rewards . Is this a family trait or is Ed Miliband as naïve has he portrays and intimidated by Ed Balls ,if so its time he grew a pair and weeded out all Blairites to show us he is has some credibility in a discredited Party similar to Shamcams Coalition .Is there any wonder that Business is corrupt with so many Politicians on Company Boards . http://brokenmritish politics.simplesite. com elmo33

5:18pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?
I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed? Voice-of-reality

5:52pm Tue 31 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

And I quote "In the interests of cutting the welfare bill - has the time come, I wonder, to intorduce compulsory steralisation to those who are in the 'third generation' of a family not to have secured meaningful employment. Is the real problem, that there are just too many willing members of the underclass and that what is effectively needed is a cull" - re extent of child poverty in Middlesbrough - you did say it obviously you really do not like kids either - happy new year
And I quote "In the interests of cutting the welfare bill - has the time come, I wonder, to intorduce compulsory steralisation to those who are in the 'third generation' of a family not to have secured meaningful employment. Is the real problem, that there are just too many willing members of the underclass and that what is effectively needed is a cull" - re extent of child poverty in Middlesbrough - you did say it obviously you really do not like kids either - happy new year CLEVELANDPC

6:10pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?
You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?[/p][/quote]You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet. Jackaranda

6:24pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

and the most prolific breeders - within a generation they will, unfortaunately, out number decent reasonable people - and at that stage the country is screwed.
and the most prolific breeders - within a generation they will, unfortaunately, out number decent reasonable people - and at that stage the country is screwed. Voice-of-reality

6:35pm Tue 31 Dec 13

elmo33 says...

Jackaranda wrote:
Voice-of-reality wrote:
I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?
You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet.
See you have your head up your posterior and spewing effluent from your oversized mouth again .Really you should try engaging brain before opening it ,obviously you follow Politics as you spew the same BS those Gravy Train Robbers do .
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?[/p][/quote]You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet.[/p][/quote]See you have your head up your posterior and spewing effluent from your oversized mouth again .Really you should try engaging brain before opening it ,obviously you follow Politics as you spew the same BS those Gravy Train Robbers do . elmo33

6:50pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

elmo33 wrote:
Jackaranda wrote:
Voice-of-reality wrote:
I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?
You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet.
See you have your head up your posterior and spewing effluent from your oversized mouth again .Really you should try engaging brain before opening it ,obviously you follow Politics as you spew the same BS those Gravy Train Robbers do .
I'll take it out now so I can enjoy my New Year tipple whilst waiting for Jools' Hootenanny, but I can assure you it will be re-inserted and spewing away next year ;-)
[quote][p][bold]elmo33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?[/p][/quote]You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet.[/p][/quote]See you have your head up your posterior and spewing effluent from your oversized mouth again .Really you should try engaging brain before opening it ,obviously you follow Politics as you spew the same BS those Gravy Train Robbers do .[/p][/quote]I'll take it out now so I can enjoy my New Year tipple whilst waiting for Jools' Hootenanny, but I can assure you it will be re-inserted and spewing away next year ;-) Jackaranda

6:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Jackaranda,
Posing a theoretical question with the word 'wonder' is very different to 'advocating' a particular course of action.
I also do not hate kids. What I do dislike is those who choose to have more kids than they can afford to keep. Breeding is not a right - it is a responsibility.
Jackaranda, Posing a theoretical question with the word 'wonder' is very different to 'advocating' a particular course of action. I also do not hate kids. What I do dislike is those who choose to have more kids than they can afford to keep. Breeding is not a right - it is a responsibility. Voice-of-reality

6:55pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

My post should have started 'ClevelandPC' - sorry about that
My post should have started 'ClevelandPC' - sorry about that Voice-of-reality

8:36pm Tue 31 Dec 13

sineater says...

Jacaranda, Back with the stupid comments again,you don't have to keep proving your daft,we get the picture,so you want benefit claimants to die out,seeing as how 60%of claimants are in work who will do all the work iff they died out you plank !!!
Jacaranda, Back with the stupid comments again,you don't have to keep proving your daft,we get the picture,so you want benefit claimants to die out,seeing as how 60%of claimants are in work who will do all the work iff they died out you plank !!! sineater

8:42pm Tue 31 Dec 13

armadillo38 says...

there are no poor FAMILIES on benifit!!!!!

my ex gets (according to gov.uk benefits adviser) 374 per week in TOTAL benefits.
thats 1650 net per month. she has 3 children. 2 are mine.
this does not include the 650 in housing benefit, which until recently covered ALL of her rent.
add these together and you get a figure of approx 35K gross equivalent.
and please please please dont tell me this is a one off. benefits are the same around the country.
and before anyone moans, i earn 36.6K per year.
i pay her:
140 per month
150 towards her rent
100 month for dance
violin and clarinet
im the one that pays for birthday parties
i take them on holiday (august south france monaco rome venice)
and i also have them 3 nights a week

whos vulnerable now?
there are no poor FAMILIES on benifit!!!!! my ex gets (according to gov.uk benefits adviser) 374 per week in TOTAL benefits. thats 1650 net per month. she has 3 children. 2 are mine. this does not include the 650 in housing benefit, which until recently covered ALL of her rent. add these together and you get a figure of approx 35K gross equivalent. and please please please dont tell me this is a one off. benefits are the same around the country. and before anyone moans, i earn 36.6K per year. i pay her: 140 per month 150 towards her rent 100 month for dance violin and clarinet im the one that pays for birthday parties i take them on holiday (august south france monaco rome venice) and i also have them 3 nights a week whos vulnerable now? armadillo38

9:37pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

sineater wrote:
Jacaranda, Back with the stupid comments again,you don't have to keep proving your daft,we get the picture,so you want benefit claimants to die out,seeing as how 60%of claimants are in work who will do all the work iff they died out you plank !!!
Read it again then you'll realise your mistake, then you can apologise to me next year. Happy New Year anyway!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda, Back with the stupid comments again,you don't have to keep proving your daft,we get the picture,so you want benefit claimants to die out,seeing as how 60%of claimants are in work who will do all the work iff they died out you plank !!![/p][/quote]Read it again then you'll realise your mistake, then you can apologise to me next year. Happy New Year anyway!! Jackaranda

10:47pm Tue 31 Dec 13

elmo33 says...

Jackaranda wrote:
elmo33 wrote:
Jackaranda wrote:
Voice-of-reality wrote:
I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?
You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet.
See you have your head up your posterior and spewing effluent from your oversized mouth again .Really you should try engaging brain before opening it ,obviously you follow Politics as you spew the same BS those Gravy Train Robbers do .
I'll take it out now so I can enjoy my New Year tipple whilst waiting for Jools' Hootenanny, but I can assure you it will be re-inserted and spewing away next year ;-)
Didn't expect any different why spoil a habit of a lifetime
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elmo33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: I have never advocated culling the underclass. However given that they don't seem to be able to support themselves without constant handouts - the logical conslcuion is that, without being overtly supported by everyone else - they would eventually die out. As such people do not actually contribute anything worthwhile to society (which is not true of either the working class or those who are temporarily on benefits but have hitherto contributed meanignfully) would they really be missed?[/p][/quote]You are right, they would die out. I think what annoys a lot of hard working taxpayers is the fact that career spongers were given to conclude by the last Labour Government that they had every right to believe that the taxpayer owed them their lifestyle, and what makes matters worse these parasites are the most disrespectful scum that walk the planet.[/p][/quote]See you have your head up your posterior and spewing effluent from your oversized mouth again .Really you should try engaging brain before opening it ,obviously you follow Politics as you spew the same BS those Gravy Train Robbers do .[/p][/quote]I'll take it out now so I can enjoy my New Year tipple whilst waiting for Jools' Hootenanny, but I can assure you it will be re-inserted and spewing away next year ;-)[/p][/quote]Didn't expect any different why spoil a habit of a lifetime elmo33

11:31pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

A happy new year to all income taxpayers - you have earned a drink at midnight. Those of you who are 'lifestyle choice' benefit claimants (as opposed to transitory benefit claimants) should raise a glass, preferably of water, to those supporting you,
A happy new year to all income taxpayers - you have earned a drink at midnight. Those of you who are 'lifestyle choice' benefit claimants (as opposed to transitory benefit claimants) should raise a glass, preferably of water, to those supporting you, Voice-of-reality

3:52pm Wed 1 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Happy New Year VOR and fellow realists. Best wishes also to those of you who are supporters of left wing philosophies. Perhaps this is the year that you will join the world inhabited by sensible people.
Happy New Year VOR and fellow realists. Best wishes also to those of you who are supporters of left wing philosophies. Perhaps this is the year that you will join the world inhabited by sensible people. David Lacey

5:06pm Wed 1 Jan 14

sineater says...

Realists-yeh, approving of policies that drive people to suicide,give your head a shake you silly old fool.
Realists-yeh, approving of policies that drive people to suicide,give your head a shake you silly old fool. sineater

10:24am Thu 2 Jan 14

elmo33 says...

David Lacey wrote:
Happy New Year VOR and fellow realists. Best wishes also to those of you who are supporters of left wing philosophies. Perhaps this is the year that you will join the world inhabited by sensible people.
Lacey you may be a realist but within your own fantasy land ,as for being sensible ,you'd get more sense out of a bucket of rocking horse dung .The amount of time you spend on here goes to show your tossing it off its about time your job was given to someone more deserving less self opinionated and who hasn't got his head stuck up his own posterior .What a lame brain he tells someone they are missing the facts and gives them the address of a broadsheet ,no wonder the Country is in the state its in cheered on by newspaper readers - how gullible can you get
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Happy New Year VOR and fellow realists. Best wishes also to those of you who are supporters of left wing philosophies. Perhaps this is the year that you will join the world inhabited by sensible people.[/p][/quote]Lacey you may be a realist but within your own fantasy land ,as for being sensible ,you'd get more sense out of a bucket of rocking horse dung .The amount of time you spend on here goes to show your tossing it off its about time your job was given to someone more deserving less self opinionated and who hasn't got his head stuck up his own posterior .What a lame brain he tells someone they are missing the facts and gives them the address of a broadsheet ,no wonder the Country is in the state its in cheered on by newspaper readers - how gullible can you get elmo33

1:43pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Actually, I have frequently spoken and published on my beliefs in public. I also do not drive a white van - I hire people to do that sort of thing. As for 'sitting on my backside' my income tax bill pays a hefty amount towards those who choose to live a benefits-based life. As for commenting 'day and night' I work on a 24/7 basis and therefore why should I not also comment on the same time-frame? Finally, does Littlewoods still have a catalogue?
Actually, I have frequently spoken and published on my beliefs in public. I also do not drive a white van - I hire people to do that sort of thing. As for 'sitting on my backside' my income tax bill pays a hefty amount towards those who choose to live a benefits-based life. As for commenting 'day and night' I work on a 24/7 basis and therefore why should I not also comment on the same time-frame? Finally, does Littlewoods still have a catalogue? Voice-of-reality

4:29pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

What happened to the "Littlewoods Catalogue" rant?
What happened to the "Littlewoods Catalogue" rant? Jackaranda

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