666 North-East households hit by benefit cap

The Northern Echo: Iain Duncan Smith Iain Duncan Smith

THE ‘benefits cap’ has hit hundreds of North-East families, official figures show – but nobody in swathes of North Yorkshire.

A total of 666 households across the region have had their housing benefit cut since the controversial cap came into force in the summer.

But not a single family has been affected in the districts of Hambleton, Richmondshire, Ryedale and Craven and very few in Harrogate (11) and York (17).

In stark contrast, large numbers have had their benefits capped in County Durham (117), Middlesbrough (75), Hartlepool (60), Stockton-on-Tees (60) and Sunderland (68).

Meanwhile, the department for work and pensions (DWP) is unable to say how many of those 666 households now have somebody in a job.

Across the country, 19,000 people “potentially affected by the cap” are now in work, but no figures are available for each local authority area.

Nevertheless, Jason Livingston, a Jobcentre Plus district manager in the North-East, said: “The results have been amazing.

“We've been working hard in Yorkshire to help people prepare for the benefit cap. This started in April last year.

“We've targeted help at getting people into work and supporting people who just didn't see work as a way to get on in life. It's great to see people's lives turned around.”

And Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary said: “These figures highlight our commitment to support those who want to work hard and get on and to end benefit dependency."

The welfare cap prevents workless families from claiming more than £26,000 a year in benefits - a level set because it is the average working family income.

Trials began in four London boroughs in the spring, before the cap was extended to the North and nationwide by the end of September.

Critics of the benefits crackdown have warned of an explosion in the number of people turning up to food banks for emergency aid.

But the DWP insists people have always been referred to food banks if appropriate, rejecting claims that there has been a big increase.

The Conservatives have pointed to polling showing the cap is the single most popular change the Government has made to the welfare system.

Indeed, George Osborne is also considering a further lowering of the benefits’ limit, with some Tory MPs pressing for a reduction of £6,000 – to £20,000.

Labour has argued for the benefits cap to be set regionally, to reflect housing benefit – the bulk of most claims – being so much higher in the South.

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8:28am Tue 10 Dec 13

The Grim North says...

Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.
Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work. The Grim North

8:59am Tue 10 Dec 13

simon cowells pants says...

The Grim North wrote:
Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.
You've taken the facist propoganda hook line and sinker.
[quote][p][bold]The Grim North[/bold] wrote: Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.[/p][/quote]You've taken the facist propoganda hook line and sinker. simon cowells pants

9:02am Tue 10 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Nail on head as usual TGN. And the predictable response from the tiresome left. Let's not forget that the £26K is significantly above the gross national wage and way ahead of the minimum wage. It must be dropped to £15K SAP.
Nail on head as usual TGN. And the predictable response from the tiresome left. Let's not forget that the £26K is significantly above the gross national wage and way ahead of the minimum wage. It must be dropped to £15K SAP. David Lacey

9:02am Tue 10 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Iain Duncan Smith and the number 666, how appropriate.
Iain Duncan Smith and the number 666, how appropriate. Jonn

9:25am Tue 10 Dec 13

stevegg says...

The cap was a step in the right direction but a £26k handout (equivilent of £30k plus if taxed) from taxpayers is far more than most taxpayers earn before tax! Its no wonder its nigh on impossible to get them off benefits when they MIGHT get a job earning half that or less. The cap is far to high and unrealistic with wages, it should be no more than a fulltime worker who receives minimum wage who gets circa £13k per year before tax - thats realistic which millions have to and do survive on. If the government thinks that £26k is a living income then obviously the minimum wage is far to low and should be double what it is. Lower the cap to £13k a year maximum to give them an incentive to get off their backsides and be fair to the lower paid hardworking taxpayers who are funding their lifestyles but receive less back in wages than they do on benefits!
The cap was a step in the right direction but a £26k handout (equivilent of £30k plus if taxed) from taxpayers is far more than most taxpayers earn before tax! Its no wonder its nigh on impossible to get them off benefits when they MIGHT get a job earning half that or less. The cap is far to high and unrealistic with wages, it should be no more than a fulltime worker who receives minimum wage who gets circa £13k per year before tax - thats realistic which millions have to and do survive on. If the government thinks that £26k is a living income then obviously the minimum wage is far to low and should be double what it is. Lower the cap to £13k a year maximum to give them an incentive to get off their backsides and be fair to the lower paid hardworking taxpayers who are funding their lifestyles but receive less back in wages than they do on benefits! stevegg

9:37am Tue 10 Dec 13

Snilly says...

Written be Oil Worker in the North Sea.

I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to get that pay check, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don’t have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefit check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their BUTT , doing drugs, while I work. . . .

Can you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get there benefit check.
Written be Oil Worker in the North Sea. I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that pay check, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don’t have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefit check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their BUTT , doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get there benefit check. Snilly

9:43am Tue 10 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Spot on, ' GRIM NORTH' getting £26,OOO per year for doing NILCH. ... lying in bed.........(Fact not political pathetic point scoring), ..I can better that,........**** Christmas has been *** all year around and for decades for many parasite workshy. Well over fifty families in Britain have been receiving in access of *****£7O,OOO*** A YEAR British Tax Free Benefits, for sitting on their lazy butts at homes doing absolutely no job of work., it certainly beggars all belief.......... Thank God Cameron has reformed this pathetic system which is devoid of any any sane reasoning, a system that spurns a workshy mentality and encourages people to live off free handouts and NOT work. Camerons long overdue metropholical 'kick up the reform benefit backside', should have been brought into being years ago. What bunch ?...... of social reform' lefty labourites' thought of this shocking discriminatory pig idle system, costing the 'working British Taxpayers' Hundreds of Millions.
Spot on, ' GRIM NORTH' getting £26,OOO per year for doing NILCH. ... lying in bed.........(Fact not political pathetic point scoring), ..I can better that,........**** Christmas has been *** all year around and for decades for many parasite workshy. Well over fifty families in Britain have been receiving in access of *****£7O,OOO*** A YEAR British Tax Free Benefits, for sitting on their lazy butts at homes doing absolutely no job of work., it certainly beggars all belief.......... Thank God Cameron has reformed this pathetic system which is devoid of any any sane reasoning, a system that spurns a workshy mentality and encourages people to live off free handouts and NOT work. Camerons long overdue metropholical 'kick up the reform benefit backside', should have been brought into being years ago. What bunch ?...... of social reform' lefty labourites' thought of this shocking discriminatory pig idle system, costing the 'working British Taxpayers' Hundreds of Millions. cushybutterfield

9:59am Tue 10 Dec 13

Jonn says...

stevegg wrote:
The cap was a step in the right direction but a £26k handout (equivilent of £30k plus if taxed) from taxpayers is far more than most taxpayers earn before tax! Its no wonder its nigh on impossible to get them off benefits when they MIGHT get a job earning half that or less. The cap is far to high and unrealistic with wages, it should be no more than a fulltime worker who receives minimum wage who gets circa £13k per year before tax - thats realistic which millions have to and do survive on. If the government thinks that £26k is a living income then obviously the minimum wage is far to low and should be double what it is. Lower the cap to £13k a year maximum to give them an incentive to get off their backsides and be fair to the lower paid hardworking taxpayers who are funding their lifestyles but receive less back in wages than they do on benefits!
There's a slight flaw in your argument. You are assuming those on 13k get nothing else. Those on 13k are also entitled to claim some Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, Child Tax Credits etc...
What needs addressing and what this Government are in denial of is wages are too low and the cost of living too high, specifically rent, where most of this benefit money is going to ie Landlords. There has been a massive increase recently of WORKING families claiming HB, this proves my point.
[quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: The cap was a step in the right direction but a £26k handout (equivilent of £30k plus if taxed) from taxpayers is far more than most taxpayers earn before tax! Its no wonder its nigh on impossible to get them off benefits when they MIGHT get a job earning half that or less. The cap is far to high and unrealistic with wages, it should be no more than a fulltime worker who receives minimum wage who gets circa £13k per year before tax - thats realistic which millions have to and do survive on. If the government thinks that £26k is a living income then obviously the minimum wage is far to low and should be double what it is. Lower the cap to £13k a year maximum to give them an incentive to get off their backsides and be fair to the lower paid hardworking taxpayers who are funding their lifestyles but receive less back in wages than they do on benefits![/p][/quote]There's a slight flaw in your argument. You are assuming those on 13k get nothing else. Those on 13k are also entitled to claim some Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, Child Tax Credits etc... What needs addressing and what this Government are in denial of is wages are too low and the cost of living too high, specifically rent, where most of this benefit money is going to ie Landlords. There has been a massive increase recently of WORKING families claiming HB, this proves my point. Jonn

11:38am Tue 10 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

One hates to be blunt but:
1. People must cut their garment according to their cloth. If they cannot afford a large house renters must, like homeowners make savings or move.
2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them.
3. If you do not have money to keep a roof over your head there is no need to buy a) a w-ii b) a satellite dish c) cable d) foreign holidays e) booze f) fags
4. It is unsustinable for the hardworking (near minority) to continue to fund those who chose not to support themselves - especially when the 'level of support' they demand can, at 26k, exceed the level of pay of those who pay for their lifestyles.
One hates to be blunt but: 1. People must cut their garment according to their cloth. If they cannot afford a large house renters must, like homeowners make savings or move. 2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them. 3. If you do not have money to keep a roof over your head there is no need to buy a) a w-ii b) a satellite dish c) cable d) foreign holidays e) booze f) fags 4. It is unsustinable for the hardworking (near minority) to continue to fund those who chose not to support themselves - especially when the 'level of support' they demand can, at 26k, exceed the level of pay of those who pay for their lifestyles. Voice-of-reality

11:54am Tue 10 Dec 13

Duke of Aycliffe says...

simon cowells pants wrote:
The Grim North wrote:
Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.
You've taken the facist propoganda hook line and sinker.
How is this information classed as fascist propaganda? My wife & I both work fulltime & without overtime before tax deductions our joint annual income £24,000.
How can the left wing apologists justify that £26,000 still isn't enough for welfare claimants, many of whom have no intention & never will try to better themselves or their families position in life.
[quote][p][bold]simon cowells pants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim North[/bold] wrote: Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.[/p][/quote]You've taken the facist propoganda hook line and sinker.[/p][/quote]How is this information classed as fascist propaganda? My wife & I both work fulltime & without overtime before tax deductions our joint annual income £24,000. How can the left wing apologists justify that £26,000 still isn't enough for welfare claimants, many of whom have no intention & never will try to better themselves or their families position in life. Duke of Aycliffe

12:05pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Duke of Aycliffe says...

Jonn wrote:
stevegg wrote:
The cap was a step in the right direction but a £26k handout (equivilent of £30k plus if taxed) from taxpayers is far more than most taxpayers earn before tax! Its no wonder its nigh on impossible to get them off benefits when they MIGHT get a job earning half that or less. The cap is far to high and unrealistic with wages, it should be no more than a fulltime worker who receives minimum wage who gets circa £13k per year before tax - thats realistic which millions have to and do survive on. If the government thinks that £26k is a living income then obviously the minimum wage is far to low and should be double what it is. Lower the cap to £13k a year maximum to give them an incentive to get off their backsides and be fair to the lower paid hardworking taxpayers who are funding their lifestyles but receive less back in wages than they do on benefits!
There's a slight flaw in your argument. You are assuming those on 13k get nothing else. Those on 13k are also entitled to claim some Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, Child Tax Credits etc...
What needs addressing and what this Government are in denial of is wages are too low and the cost of living too high, specifically rent, where most of this benefit money is going to ie Landlords. There has been a massive increase recently of WORKING families claiming HB, this proves my point.
John, you are always on the side of the welfare claimants, not the working person. What you've wrote about what workers are entitled to IE. Housing benefit etc is absolute rubbish. My wife earns less than £13,000 pa & isn't entitled to any hand outs, so obviously you've no idea how real workers & taxpayers live. Don't worry about it, just take, take, take after all you're entitled to it & the silly workers pick up the bill.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: The cap was a step in the right direction but a £26k handout (equivilent of £30k plus if taxed) from taxpayers is far more than most taxpayers earn before tax! Its no wonder its nigh on impossible to get them off benefits when they MIGHT get a job earning half that or less. The cap is far to high and unrealistic with wages, it should be no more than a fulltime worker who receives minimum wage who gets circa £13k per year before tax - thats realistic which millions have to and do survive on. If the government thinks that £26k is a living income then obviously the minimum wage is far to low and should be double what it is. Lower the cap to £13k a year maximum to give them an incentive to get off their backsides and be fair to the lower paid hardworking taxpayers who are funding their lifestyles but receive less back in wages than they do on benefits![/p][/quote]There's a slight flaw in your argument. You are assuming those on 13k get nothing else. Those on 13k are also entitled to claim some Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, Child Tax Credits etc... What needs addressing and what this Government are in denial of is wages are too low and the cost of living too high, specifically rent, where most of this benefit money is going to ie Landlords. There has been a massive increase recently of WORKING families claiming HB, this proves my point.[/p][/quote]John, you are always on the side of the welfare claimants, not the working person. What you've wrote about what workers are entitled to IE. Housing benefit etc is absolute rubbish. My wife earns less than £13,000 pa & isn't entitled to any hand outs, so obviously you've no idea how real workers & taxpayers live. Don't worry about it, just take, take, take after all you're entitled to it & the silly workers pick up the bill. Duke of Aycliffe

12:07pm Tue 10 Dec 13

settheworldonfire says...

Duke of Aycliffe wrote:
simon cowells pants wrote:
The Grim North wrote:
Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.
You've taken the facist propoganda hook line and sinker.
How is this information classed as fascist propaganda? My wife & I both work fulltime & without overtime before tax deductions our joint annual income £24,000.
How can the left wing apologists justify that £26,000 still isn't enough for welfare claimants, many of whom have no intention & never will try to better themselves or their families position in life.
I work and after buying all stock for my business, i am usually left around £100 a week to live on.....I never attempt to claim benefits and get sick to death of all the leeches who swindle the benefits system.....Where i live we have the local drug dealing family living across the road who have 3 motorcycles and cars which they use to deliver their drugs from....They own a business, claim benefits and are living like kings...Many a time they have been reported to the police but nothing has ever been done about them....They say report a benefit thief or drug dealer but fcuk all is ever done. The cap on benefits should be £15,000 but they must do voluntary work to receive it if they are not working.
[quote][p][bold]Duke of Aycliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]simon cowells pants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim North[/bold] wrote: Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.[/p][/quote]You've taken the facist propoganda hook line and sinker.[/p][/quote]How is this information classed as fascist propaganda? My wife & I both work fulltime & without overtime before tax deductions our joint annual income £24,000. How can the left wing apologists justify that £26,000 still isn't enough for welfare claimants, many of whom have no intention & never will try to better themselves or their families position in life.[/p][/quote]I work and after buying all stock for my business, i am usually left around £100 a week to live on.....I never attempt to claim benefits and get sick to death of all the leeches who swindle the benefits system.....Where i live we have the local drug dealing family living across the road who have 3 motorcycles and cars which they use to deliver their drugs from....They own a business, claim benefits and are living like kings...Many a time they have been reported to the police but nothing has ever been done about them....They say report a benefit thief or drug dealer but fcuk all is ever done. The cap on benefits should be £15,000 but they must do voluntary work to receive it if they are not working. settheworldonfire

12:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

The Grim North says...

The Grim North wrote:
Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.
Just to add another perspective to this, to get a job which pays a take home salary of £26K you would likely be at the very least a skilled tradesman or a degree qualified professional so why bother studying and taking low wages whilst you gain skills and qualifications when you could just stay at home watching day time tv, knock a few kids out and bingo.
[quote][p][bold]The Grim North[/bold] wrote: Not bad for some, an average working income of £26,00 a year for doing fcuk all, not even having to get out of bed on a morning, no costs associated with getting to and from work and no fears of redundancy. Its no wonder so many people choose not to work.[/p][/quote]Just to add another perspective to this, to get a job which pays a take home salary of £26K you would likely be at the very least a skilled tradesman or a degree qualified professional so why bother studying and taking low wages whilst you gain skills and qualifications when you could just stay at home watching day time tv, knock a few kids out and bingo. The Grim North

1:00pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
One hates to be blunt but:
1. People must cut their garment according to their cloth. If they cannot afford a large house renters must, like homeowners make savings or move.
2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them.
3. If you do not have money to keep a roof over your head there is no need to buy a) a w-ii b) a satellite dish c) cable d) foreign holidays e) booze f) fags
4. It is unsustinable for the hardworking (near minority) to continue to fund those who chose not to support themselves - especially when the 'level of support' they demand can, at 26k, exceed the level of pay of those who pay for their lifestyles.
But you, as a lot of people do, start from the default assumption that all benefit claimants have never worked and never will.
That's just not the case with most.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: One hates to be blunt but: 1. People must cut their garment according to their cloth. If they cannot afford a large house renters must, like homeowners make savings or move. 2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them. 3. If you do not have money to keep a roof over your head there is no need to buy a) a w-ii b) a satellite dish c) cable d) foreign holidays e) booze f) fags 4. It is unsustinable for the hardworking (near minority) to continue to fund those who chose not to support themselves - especially when the 'level of support' they demand can, at 26k, exceed the level of pay of those who pay for their lifestyles.[/p][/quote]But you, as a lot of people do, start from the default assumption that all benefit claimants have never worked and never will. That's just not the case with most. Jonn

1:07pm Tue 10 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Re these criminal workshy 'leeching' druggies, the whole street should make a ****official complaint *****en masse to the Chief Constable and march and protest outside his office.. If it was a child stealing a 'Mars Bar', the whole Crime Squad would be out. Its a disgusting state of affairs when nothing is done by 'benefit fraudsters, regularly 'peddling' drugs and killing our young people. On a wider topic GRIM NORTH is right, thousands *****Spend more than they should, they live well *****beyond their means then complain that they should have more 'free benefit money' off the Nanny-State, paid for by the working British Taxpayer.
Re these criminal workshy 'leeching' druggies, the whole street should make a ****official complaint *****en masse to the Chief Constable and march and protest outside his office.. If it was a child stealing a 'Mars Bar', the whole Crime Squad would be out. Its a disgusting state of affairs when nothing is done by 'benefit fraudsters, regularly 'peddling' drugs and killing our young people. On a wider topic GRIM NORTH is right, thousands *****Spend more than they should, they live well *****beyond their means then complain that they should have more 'free benefit money' off the Nanny-State, paid for by the working British Taxpayer. cushybutterfield

1:25pm Tue 10 Dec 13

sineater says...

people receiving £26k on benefits,only in areas with expensive housing thus high rates of housing benefits,people do not receive said amount in their hands to spend,get your facts right!!
people receiving £26k on benefits,only in areas with expensive housing thus high rates of housing benefits,people do not receive said amount in their hands to spend,get your facts right!! sineater

1:27pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

No Jonn, I do not start from that assumption. Rather I start from the assumption that one's first priority should be apying for the essentials for life - ie. food and shelter - all else is luxury. Second, that if one has paid into the system it should support you - but as a safety net - not a long term lifestyle choice. Accordingly, you should receive some form of limited support whlst you sort yourself out and get back into the job market. The middle classes frequently have no recourse to such benefits because they have been prudent and saved - it is a shame that more of their working class colleagues - when employed - do not take the same approach and put money by for a rainy day.
No Jonn, I do not start from that assumption. Rather I start from the assumption that one's first priority should be apying for the essentials for life - ie. food and shelter - all else is luxury. Second, that if one has paid into the system it should support you - but as a safety net - not a long term lifestyle choice. Accordingly, you should receive some form of limited support whlst you sort yourself out and get back into the job market. The middle classes frequently have no recourse to such benefits because they have been prudent and saved - it is a shame that more of their working class colleagues - when employed - do not take the same approach and put money by for a rainy day. Voice-of-reality

2:02pm Tue 10 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

sineater wrote:
people receiving £26k on benefits,only in areas with expensive housing thus high rates of housing benefits,people do not receive said amount in their hands to spend,get your facts right!!
Ah - so if someone pays my mortgage for me then that means I have not been given any money!

Read the article sineater - it clearly states 666 NORTH EAST households were receiving greater that £26,000/year in benefits before this cap was implemented. That is in the one of the cheapest parts of the country to live!

I agree with many of the above posters and with the majority of tax payers that this amount is still too high.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: people receiving £26k on benefits,only in areas with expensive housing thus high rates of housing benefits,people do not receive said amount in their hands to spend,get your facts right!![/p][/quote]Ah - so if someone pays my mortgage for me then that means I have not been given any money! Read the article sineater - it clearly states 666 NORTH EAST households were receiving greater that £26,000/year in benefits before this cap was implemented. That is in the one of the cheapest parts of the country to live! I agree with many of the above posters and with the majority of tax payers that this amount is still too high. DarloXman

2:13pm Tue 10 Dec 13

The Grandmaster says...

totally agree that the welfare system should be adjusted so that it makes working for a living more attractive.
However why is the rhetoric always about welfare cheats/scroungers?
Why is it never the tax cheats who are milking the UK tax system and living a life of luxury? what's worse living outside of this country, south of France/Costas and therefore not even putting their 'well earned' inherited wealth back to UK society?
Why is the tory government so focused on reducing the tax to the richest in society (>£150k P.A.) in this time of austerity?
totally agree that the welfare system should be adjusted so that it makes working for a living more attractive. However why is the rhetoric always about welfare cheats/scroungers? Why is it never the tax cheats who are milking the UK tax system and living a life of luxury? what's worse living outside of this country, south of France/Costas and therefore not even putting their 'well earned' inherited wealth back to UK society? Why is the tory government so focused on reducing the tax to the richest in society (>£150k P.A.) in this time of austerity? The Grandmaster

2:50pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Mr A says...

VOR Says “2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them.”

What about the many respectable hardworking people who worked hard at school, planned for a family and BANG! Illness, incapacity or lifelong disability hits. They didn’t plan to be on benefits but they are.

You lump everyone together and that is exactly how this government acts as well.

Shame on you.
VOR Says “2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them.” What about the many respectable hardworking people who worked hard at school, planned for a family and BANG! Illness, incapacity or lifelong disability hits. They didn’t plan to be on benefits but they are. You lump everyone together and that is exactly how this government acts as well. Shame on you. Mr A

3:08pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Its called personal injury insurance and not having any more if lifelong disability strikes or illness or incapacity. There is no human right to breed and to expect others to pay for it.
Its called personal injury insurance and not having any more if lifelong disability strikes or illness or incapacity. There is no human right to breed and to expect others to pay for it. Voice-of-reality

4:04pm Tue 10 Dec 13

pandorica says...

Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.
Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into. pandorica

4:14pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Duke of Aycliffe says...

Mr A wrote:
VOR Says “2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them.”

What about the many respectable hardworking people who worked hard at school, planned for a family and BANG! Illness, incapacity or lifelong disability hits. They didn’t plan to be on benefits but they are.

You lump everyone together and that is exactly how this government acts as well.

Shame on you.
Mr A maybe you need to read these posts more carefully, because no one is against people or families who become unemployed & fall on hard times. People are fed up with the "professional benefit claimants" - the ones who know each & every benefit available, & how to claim the most.
The ones who have no intention of ever contributing to society, apart from pumping out more cheeky brats, many of whom will be the next generation of criminals.
[quote][p][bold]Mr A[/bold] wrote: VOR Says “2. If you cannot afford to have children, to clothe them, to feed them, and to house them, do not have them.” What about the many respectable hardworking people who worked hard at school, planned for a family and BANG! Illness, incapacity or lifelong disability hits. They didn’t plan to be on benefits but they are. You lump everyone together and that is exactly how this government acts as well. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]Mr A maybe you need to read these posts more carefully, because no one is against people or families who become unemployed & fall on hard times. People are fed up with the "professional benefit claimants" - the ones who know each & every benefit available, & how to claim the most. The ones who have no intention of ever contributing to society, apart from pumping out more cheeky brats, many of whom will be the next generation of criminals. Duke of Aycliffe

4:20pm Tue 10 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

pandorica wrote:
Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.
No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches........"! They are certainly not.

Many of the posters with similar views to myself have in the past described their own situations when they fell on hard times and what they did to recover. I have had a redundancy in the past but was lucky that I got back in work within a few months - but at only about 65% of my previous salary and in a job 45 miles away. This was a real struggle for me but I did it as I had a family to support and needed to get back on the ladder so that I could find something better when the opportunity arose.

I support the assistance of people who are unable to help themselves for reasons that are outside of their control. But what I don't support is providing what has appeared to be extremely generous benefits to people who are capable to work but choose not to, or to those who choose by some means make themselves unemployable (drink, drugs, behaviour etc). A life on benefits had become something that provided a good lifestyle to some - better than many who are in work! This is clearly not right and had to be changed.

Those who want changes to the current benefit system are not "devils" - most of us just want a fairer system - but a system that is fairer to all!!
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.[/p][/quote]No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches........"! They are certainly not. Many of the posters with similar views to myself have in the past described their own situations when they fell on hard times and what they did to recover. I have had a redundancy in the past but was lucky that I got back in work within a few months - but at only about 65% of my previous salary and in a job 45 miles away. This was a real struggle for me but I did it as I had a family to support and needed to get back on the ladder so that I could find something better when the opportunity arose. I support the assistance of people who are unable to help themselves for reasons that are outside of their control. But what I don't support is providing what has appeared to be extremely generous benefits to people who are capable to work but choose not to, or to those who choose by some means make themselves unemployable (drink, drugs, behaviour etc). A life on benefits had become something that provided a good lifestyle to some - better than many who are in work! This is clearly not right and had to be changed. Those who want changes to the current benefit system are not "devils" - most of us just want a fairer system - but a system that is fairer to all!! DarloXman

4:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

The Grim North says...

The Grandmaster wrote:
totally agree that the welfare system should be adjusted so that it makes working for a living more attractive. However why is the rhetoric always about welfare cheats/scroungers? Why is it never the tax cheats who are milking the UK tax system and living a life of luxury? what's worse living outside of this country, south of France/Costas and therefore not even putting their 'well earned' inherited wealth back to UK society? Why is the tory government so focused on reducing the tax to the richest in society (>£150k P.A.) in this time of austerity?
What have the Tories done to reduce the tax bills for the richest in society other than make a small adjustment to the higher level of tax putting it back to where it was a couple of weeks before Labour left office (and pretty much where it was during Labours 13 years in office). No one would argue that tax loop holes should be closed but Labour didn't do anything to close them. As for the people living in the Costas and in France, perhaps their money was earned working in other countries where the tax has rightly been paid where it was earned and I assume they still pay the local taxes where they live.

It isn't the fault of the rich that the country is broke, thats down to the string of incompetent governments we keep voting into power. Most of the money they have squandered, and used as leverage to borrow even more money, came from the rich in the first place, how much more do you want them to pay?
[quote][p][bold]The Grandmaster[/bold] wrote: totally agree that the welfare system should be adjusted so that it makes working for a living more attractive. However why is the rhetoric always about welfare cheats/scroungers? Why is it never the tax cheats who are milking the UK tax system and living a life of luxury? what's worse living outside of this country, south of France/Costas and therefore not even putting their 'well earned' inherited wealth back to UK society? Why is the tory government so focused on reducing the tax to the richest in society (>£150k P.A.) in this time of austerity?[/p][/quote]What have the Tories done to reduce the tax bills for the richest in society other than make a small adjustment to the higher level of tax putting it back to where it was a couple of weeks before Labour left office (and pretty much where it was during Labours 13 years in office). No one would argue that tax loop holes should be closed but Labour didn't do anything to close them. As for the people living in the Costas and in France, perhaps their money was earned working in other countries where the tax has rightly been paid where it was earned and I assume they still pay the local taxes where they live. It isn't the fault of the rich that the country is broke, thats down to the string of incompetent governments we keep voting into power. Most of the money they have squandered, and used as leverage to borrow even more money, came from the rich in the first place, how much more do you want them to pay? The Grim North

5:16pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Mod says...

Out of interest, am I correct in thinking Labour is going to continue with the cap after they win the next election? Other than a few weasely words about "regional variations" it appears to me that they are. Anyone shed any light?
Out of interest, am I correct in thinking Labour is going to continue with the cap after they win the next election? Other than a few weasely words about "regional variations" it appears to me that they are. Anyone shed any light? Mod

6:18pm Tue 10 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

If only we knew Mod!!!
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They simply refuse to say. In fact they oppose everything but won't tell us what the alternatives are.
If only we knew Mod!!! . They simply refuse to say. In fact they oppose everything but won't tell us what the alternatives are. David Lacey

7:21pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
No Jonn, I do not start from that assumption. Rather I start from the assumption that one's first priority should be apying for the essentials for life - ie. food and shelter - all else is luxury. Second, that if one has paid into the system it should support you - but as a safety net - not a long term lifestyle choice. Accordingly, you should receive some form of limited support whlst you sort yourself out and get back into the job market. The middle classes frequently have no recourse to such benefits because they have been prudent and saved - it is a shame that more of their working class colleagues - when employed - do not take the same approach and put money by for a rainy day.
So now it's about class is it? Only the working classes claim benefits do they?
Except the likes of the multi millionaire Camerons who claimed DLA.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: No Jonn, I do not start from that assumption. Rather I start from the assumption that one's first priority should be apying for the essentials for life - ie. food and shelter - all else is luxury. Second, that if one has paid into the system it should support you - but as a safety net - not a long term lifestyle choice. Accordingly, you should receive some form of limited support whlst you sort yourself out and get back into the job market. The middle classes frequently have no recourse to such benefits because they have been prudent and saved - it is a shame that more of their working class colleagues - when employed - do not take the same approach and put money by for a rainy day.[/p][/quote]So now it's about class is it? Only the working classes claim benefits do they? Except the likes of the multi millionaire Camerons who claimed DLA. Jonn

7:25pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Jonn, Oh do stop being so silly.
Jonn, Oh do stop being so silly. Voice-of-reality

7:39pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Mod wrote:
Out of interest, am I correct in thinking Labour is going to continue with the cap after they win the next election? Other than a few weasely words about "regional variations" it appears to me that they are. Anyone shed any light?
Yes, they probably are. That's because Parliament and the House of Lords have been completely corrupted by Banks and Corporates who now influence such policies massively. They are all sucking up the taxpayers money and want mass cheap labour. Austerity is a con to achieve their aims.
[quote][p][bold]Mod[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, am I correct in thinking Labour is going to continue with the cap after they win the next election? Other than a few weasely words about "regional variations" it appears to me that they are. Anyone shed any light?[/p][/quote]Yes, they probably are. That's because Parliament and the House of Lords have been completely corrupted by Banks and Corporates who now influence such policies massively. They are all sucking up the taxpayers money and want mass cheap labour. Austerity is a con to achieve their aims. Jonn

7:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
Jonn, Oh do stop being so silly.
Pointing out that millionaires claim benefits too thus debasing your theory is silly is it? Fair enough.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: Jonn, Oh do stop being so silly.[/p][/quote]Pointing out that millionaires claim benefits too thus debasing your theory is silly is it? Fair enough. Jonn

8:05pm Tue 10 Dec 13

sineater says...

Darloxman,And do those 666 familes claim more than the tax that is avoided every year,and for every one of those familes there are thousands more trying to exist on a fraction of £26k,why do people like you never focus on those people ,o I forgot they are just a fiction made up by left wingers aren't they ?
Darloxman,And do those 666 familes claim more than the tax that is avoided every year,and for every one of those familes there are thousands more trying to exist on a fraction of £26k,why do people like you never focus on those people ,o I forgot they are just a fiction made up by left wingers aren't they ? sineater

8:16pm Tue 10 Dec 13

sineater says...

Yes Darloxman ,when you are unemployed or on low wages,housing benefit or help with your mortgage is part of your benefits,but the individual is not responsible for setting rents are they? people who buy houses i'm sure wish they had less to shell out to buy their house, so why castigate them for the size of the benefit to help keep them housed.And please don't go on about people getting a job,because more and more people in work are having problems with paying their way.Or should these people be chucked out on the street,because that would be the end of the problem wouldn't it !!!
Yes Darloxman ,when you are unemployed or on low wages,housing benefit or help with your mortgage is part of your benefits,but the individual is not responsible for setting rents are they? people who buy houses i'm sure wish they had less to shell out to buy their house, so why castigate them for the size of the benefit to help keep them housed.And please don't go on about people getting a job,because more and more people in work are having problems with paying their way.Or should these people be chucked out on the street,because that would be the end of the problem wouldn't it !!! sineater

8:48pm Tue 10 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

sineater wrote:
Darloxman,And do those 666 familes claim more than the tax that is avoided every year,and for every one of those familes there are thousands more trying to exist on a fraction of £26k,why do people like you never focus on those people ,o I forgot they are just a fiction made up by left wingers aren't they ?
Sorry sineater, I somehow thought this story entitled "666 North-East households hit by benefit cap" was about the recent benefits cap!

My mistake - I will read it again to see to read about all the tax avoidance!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Darloxman,And do those 666 familes claim more than the tax that is avoided every year,and for every one of those familes there are thousands more trying to exist on a fraction of £26k,why do people like you never focus on those people ,o I forgot they are just a fiction made up by left wingers aren't they ?[/p][/quote]Sorry sineater, I somehow thought this story entitled "666 North-East households hit by benefit cap" was about the recent benefits cap! My mistake - I will read it again to see to read about all the tax avoidance! DarloXman

12:08pm Wed 11 Dec 13

sineater says...

Your mistake is jealousy,the country could quite easily stop paying benefits to everyone in need,so what a few thousand starve to death,as long as "hard working" tax payers money is not" wasted" on these "failures" of society.Of course when the effects filter through in a few years we won't have a big enough work-force to run the country,but hey as long as wasters don't get their hands on your taxes that's a good result. The point I was making about tax avoidance is ,people like you are having your attention deflected from the wrongs of bankers,tax avoiders,and the like on purpose,and all the heat put on benefit claimants ,because that is what the government wants,and you fall for it,the government manipulate peoples thinking ,then sit back and laugh at all of you-so gullible.
Your mistake is jealousy,the country could quite easily stop paying benefits to everyone in need,so what a few thousand starve to death,as long as "hard working" tax payers money is not" wasted" on these "failures" of society.Of course when the effects filter through in a few years we won't have a big enough work-force to run the country,but hey as long as wasters don't get their hands on your taxes that's a good result. The point I was making about tax avoidance is ,people like you are having your attention deflected from the wrongs of bankers,tax avoiders,and the like on purpose,and all the heat put on benefit claimants ,because that is what the government wants,and you fall for it,the government manipulate peoples thinking ,then sit back and laugh at all of you-so gullible. sineater

12:34pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Jonn says...

sineater wrote:
Your mistake is jealousy,the country could quite easily stop paying benefits to everyone in need,so what a few thousand starve to death,as long as "hard working" tax payers money is not" wasted" on these "failures" of society.Of course when the effects filter through in a few years we won't have a big enough work-force to run the country,but hey as long as wasters don't get their hands on your taxes that's a good result. The point I was making about tax avoidance is ,people like you are having your attention deflected from the wrongs of bankers,tax avoiders,and the like on purpose,and all the heat put on benefit claimants ,because that is what the government wants,and you fall for it,the government manipulate peoples thinking ,then sit back and laugh at all of you-so gullible.
Very true.
The 'hard working taxpayers' slogan is the Government taking the p*ss. I really can't believe people are falling for it. They are feeding you propaganda and while you fight over benefit scroungers they are robbing you blind.
See the news articles printed in this very newspaper for example, articles on corrupt banks fiddling you all, on MPs getting huge pay rises and there's hardly any comments yet a benefit story is printed and you all come out of the wood work.
Get your priorities right people. Can't you see what these politicians are doing to this country?
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Your mistake is jealousy,the country could quite easily stop paying benefits to everyone in need,so what a few thousand starve to death,as long as "hard working" tax payers money is not" wasted" on these "failures" of society.Of course when the effects filter through in a few years we won't have a big enough work-force to run the country,but hey as long as wasters don't get their hands on your taxes that's a good result. The point I was making about tax avoidance is ,people like you are having your attention deflected from the wrongs of bankers,tax avoiders,and the like on purpose,and all the heat put on benefit claimants ,because that is what the government wants,and you fall for it,the government manipulate peoples thinking ,then sit back and laugh at all of you-so gullible.[/p][/quote]Very true. The 'hard working taxpayers' slogan is the Government taking the p*ss. I really can't believe people are falling for it. They are feeding you propaganda and while you fight over benefit scroungers they are robbing you blind. See the news articles printed in this very newspaper for example, articles on corrupt banks fiddling you all, on MPs getting huge pay rises and there's hardly any comments yet a benefit story is printed and you all come out of the wood work. Get your priorities right people. Can't you see what these politicians are doing to this country? Jonn

12:43pm Wed 11 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

sineater - thank you for telling me what my mistake is and what "people like (you) me" think!

I totally support all initiatives to ensure all tax due is collected - be it from individuals or corporations - I am sure most people do! This does not mean the problems with the benefits system do not need to be addressed!

So what I ask is ..... What do "people like you" think should be done with the benefits system? Should it simply be left as it is or should it even be increased? If you support the latter, where is the money going to come from?

I won't hold my breath for an answer as "people like you" generally don't have answers - they just like to pretend to hold the high ground by being "generous" with other people's money!

I look forward to your response.
sineater - thank you for telling me what my mistake is and what "people like (you) me" think! I totally support all initiatives to ensure all tax due is collected - be it from individuals or corporations - I am sure most people do! This does not mean the problems with the benefits system do not need to be addressed! So what I ask is ..... What do "people like you" think should be done with the benefits system? Should it simply be left as it is or should it even be increased? If you support the latter, where is the money going to come from? I won't hold my breath for an answer as "people like you" generally don't have answers - they just like to pretend to hold the high ground by being "generous" with other people's money! I look forward to your response. DarloXman

4:05pm Wed 11 Dec 13

sineater says...

I am sure most people want to see taxes collected,unfortuanl
y the tories aren't included in that group.did I say anything about increasing benefits? "People like you" highlight people who get the figures you mention,you don't mention for example the many single people who after "bedroom tax" has been taken ,are trying to live on less than £55 per week,or is that too much for the country to afford as well?
I am sure most people want to see taxes collected,unfortuanl y the tories aren't included in that group.did I say anything about increasing benefits? "People like you" highlight people who get the figures you mention,you don't mention for example the many single people who after "bedroom tax" has been taken ,are trying to live on less than £55 per week,or is that too much for the country to afford as well? sineater

6:13pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
I am sure most people want to see taxes collected,unfortuanl

y the tories aren't included in that group.did I say anything about increasing benefits? "People like you" highlight people who get the figures you mention,you don't mention for example the many single people who after "bedroom tax" has been taken ,are trying to live on less than £55 per week,or is that too much for the country to afford as well?
Yes, they've demonstrated that by reducing avoidance schemes and increased the bank levy!!!

There is no way that the full benefit threshold of £26,600 is not enough in the North East.

'Bedroom Tax 'is one of your favourite subjects, I guess that is due to you not buying your council house when you had the opportunity. I remember a few months ago you were attacking those who did buy as greedy and selfish for taking property out of the social pool for their own profit.

There are many people that don't really need a council house but choose to remain for life for the reduced cost and included maintenance, THEY are the greedy ones!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: I am sure most people want to see taxes collected,unfortuanl y the tories aren't included in that group.did I say anything about increasing benefits? "People like you" highlight people who get the figures you mention,you don't mention for example the many single people who after "bedroom tax" has been taken ,are trying to live on less than £55 per week,or is that too much for the country to afford as well?[/p][/quote]Yes, they've demonstrated that by reducing avoidance schemes and increased the bank levy!!! There is no way that the full benefit threshold of £26,600 is not enough in the North East. 'Bedroom Tax 'is one of your favourite subjects, I guess that is due to you not buying your council house when you had the opportunity. I remember a few months ago you were attacking those who did buy as greedy and selfish for taking property out of the social pool for their own profit. There are many people that don't really need a council house but choose to remain for life for the reduced cost and included maintenance, THEY are the greedy ones!! Taxpaying Homeowner

6:29pm Wed 11 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

So you don't want to increase benefit payments then! Do you want to maintain the system as it is then?? Still waiting for your answer.

Of course £55 per week is not a great deal of money - but it is a lot for doing nothing for it! The benefit system is not meant to be a lifestyle choice - it is meant to be there to help people who are unable to help themselves for reasons outside of their control, and for people who need support during an unplanned break in their employment! If less benefits were paid to people who are able to work and contribute to society yet choose not to, then more funds would be available to the former category!

Bedroom Tax: so how many spare bedrooms should someone who has their housing costs paid by others be allowed to have? One, two, three or even more? This will be another question I predict you won't answer!
So you don't want to increase benefit payments then! Do you want to maintain the system as it is then?? Still waiting for your answer. Of course £55 per week is not a great deal of money - but it is a lot for doing nothing for it! The benefit system is not meant to be a lifestyle choice - it is meant to be there to help people who are unable to help themselves for reasons outside of their control, and for people who need support during an unplanned break in their employment! If less benefits were paid to people who are able to work and contribute to society yet choose not to, then more funds would be available to the former category! Bedroom Tax: so how many spare bedrooms should someone who has their housing costs paid by others be allowed to have? One, two, three or even more? This will be another question I predict you won't answer! DarloXman

6:33pm Wed 11 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

They are having a big 'Giraffe' in this Country we have hundreds of thousands of workshy people now on *****Free Housing Benefits ..............(The DOLE and Housing ) receiving and average of *********£26,OOO***
* for doing **********no work,***** just sitting on their butts. All paid for by the British Working Taxpayer............
..........Shocking and disgusting, an insult working people. The inept Labour Party have always refused to ***Cap any benefits, so what would Britain be left with yet again,?, a 'National Benefit Scrounger -Wasters Workshy ****Charter' ..costing Britain ***Billions. Plenty of help for workshy scroungers as usual but nothing from labour for decent hardwork,.....workin
g class families.
They are having a big 'Giraffe' in this Country we have hundreds of thousands of workshy people now on *****Free Housing Benefits ..............(The DOLE and Housing ) receiving and average of *********£26,OOO*** * for doing **********no work,***** just sitting on their butts. All paid for by the British Working Taxpayer............ ..........Shocking and disgusting, an insult working people. The inept Labour Party have always refused to ***Cap any benefits, so what would Britain be left with yet again,?, a 'National Benefit Scrounger -Wasters Workshy ****Charter' ..costing Britain ***Billions. Plenty of help for workshy scroungers as usual but nothing from labour for decent hardwork,.....workin g class families. cushybutterfield

6:39pm Wed 11 Dec 13

pandorica says...

DarloXman wrote:
pandorica wrote:
Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches........Hell
o,
yes I agree with you and I wish you well in the future. I think a system that is fair to all is a great idea, but it has to work from the top as well. Those who avoid paying tax through devious means, those people along with the government need to be accountable for their action and not blame this financial crisis purely on the benefits system. I work full time and I see the fallout of these benefits cuts and what it is actually doing to families. I do not see families leading lavish lifestyles, I do see families at breaking point with no where to go and no help in place to prevent their children becoming another statistic of a child living in poverty which this government tries to hide. I appreciate your comments DarloXman, but there are still others out there who clearly live their life in a goldfish bowl judging others when they have no idea on the true facts of reality. This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first. The other issue I would like to comment on, spare bedroom tax. From the houses I visit, the children are in the bedrooms and have been way before this tax was introduced. In fact there is no spare bedrooms, it is just another way of hitting the most poor where it hurts. Yes lets tax them for a bedroom even thou their kids are probably living it, lets say they need to downsize to a 2 bedroom house as we need the property's for larger families, but wait, there is no smaller property's for them to go to. !!!! Well isn't that a coincidence. Especially when you have pensioners on their own living in 3 bedroom property's. The whole thing is a disgrace and this government are demoralising our future generation.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.[/p][/quote]No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches........Hell o, yes I agree with you and I wish you well in the future. I think a system that is fair to all is a great idea, but it has to work from the top as well. Those who avoid paying tax through devious means, those people along with the government need to be accountable for their action and not blame this financial crisis purely on the benefits system. I work full time and I see the fallout of these benefits cuts and what it is actually doing to families. I do not see families leading lavish lifestyles, I do see families at breaking point with no where to go and no help in place to prevent their children becoming another statistic of a child living in poverty which this government tries to hide. I appreciate your comments DarloXman, but there are still others out there who clearly live their life in a goldfish bowl judging others when they have no idea on the true facts of reality. This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first. The other issue I would like to comment on, spare bedroom tax. From the houses I visit, the children are in the bedrooms and have been way before this tax was introduced. In fact there is no spare bedrooms, it is just another way of hitting the most poor where it hurts. Yes lets tax them for a bedroom even thou their kids are probably living it, lets say they need to downsize to a 2 bedroom house as we need the property's for larger families, but wait, there is no smaller property's for them to go to. !!!! Well isn't that a coincidence. Especially when you have pensioners on their own living in 3 bedroom property's. The whole thing is a disgrace and this government are demoralising our future generation. pandorica

7:01pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

pandorica wrote:
DarloXman wrote:
pandorica wrote:
Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches.......
.Hell
o,
yes I agree with you and I wish you well in the future. I think a system that is fair to all is a great idea, but it has to work from the top as well. Those who avoid paying tax through devious means, those people along with the government need to be accountable for their action and not blame this financial crisis purely on the benefits system. I work full time and I see the fallout of these benefits cuts and what it is actually doing to families. I do not see families leading lavish lifestyles, I do see families at breaking point with no where to go and no help in place to prevent their children becoming another statistic of a child living in poverty which this government tries to hide. I appreciate your comments DarloXman, but there are still others out there who clearly live their life in a goldfish bowl judging others when they have no idea on the true facts of reality. This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first. The other issue I would like to comment on, spare bedroom tax. From the houses I visit, the children are in the bedrooms and have been way before this tax was introduced. In fact there is no spare bedrooms, it is just another way of hitting the most poor where it hurts. Yes lets tax them for a bedroom even thou their kids are probably living it, lets say they need to downsize to a 2 bedroom house as we need the property's for larger families, but wait, there is no smaller property's for them to go to. !!!! Well isn't that a coincidence. Especially when you have pensioners on their own living in 3 bedroom property's. The whole thing is a disgrace and this government are demoralising our future generation.Are you mad???

'This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first.'

Yes, I can just see Germany getting wind of the fact that this evil regime won't pay over the 'average working family income' to those who don't work. They will be outraged by the fact that someone who lives in social housing is expected to contribute if they have spare bedrooms. They will be horrified that a the lowest paid get additional benefits work related benefits

You are living in La La land, Many people face daily struggles and don't claim anything. Benefits are not a bad thing but they have to be set at a certain level, unfortunately they were provided by Labour at a level where claimants in the North East did quite well relative to the rest of the country.

Now is time for a bit of realism and things must change everyone is getting a bit shirty and laying the blame at bankers and making out higher rate taxpayers are swerving their tax obligations.
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.[/p][/quote]No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches....... .Hell o, yes I agree with you and I wish you well in the future. I think a system that is fair to all is a great idea, but it has to work from the top as well. Those who avoid paying tax through devious means, those people along with the government need to be accountable for their action and not blame this financial crisis purely on the benefits system. I work full time and I see the fallout of these benefits cuts and what it is actually doing to families. I do not see families leading lavish lifestyles, I do see families at breaking point with no where to go and no help in place to prevent their children becoming another statistic of a child living in poverty which this government tries to hide. I appreciate your comments DarloXman, but there are still others out there who clearly live their life in a goldfish bowl judging others when they have no idea on the true facts of reality. This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first. The other issue I would like to comment on, spare bedroom tax. From the houses I visit, the children are in the bedrooms and have been way before this tax was introduced. In fact there is no spare bedrooms, it is just another way of hitting the most poor where it hurts. Yes lets tax them for a bedroom even thou their kids are probably living it, lets say they need to downsize to a 2 bedroom house as we need the property's for larger families, but wait, there is no smaller property's for them to go to. !!!! Well isn't that a coincidence. Especially when you have pensioners on their own living in 3 bedroom property's. The whole thing is a disgrace and this government are demoralising our future generation.[/p][/quote]Are you mad??? 'This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first.' Yes, I can just see Germany getting wind of the fact that this evil regime won't pay over the 'average working family income' to those who don't work. They will be outraged by the fact that someone who lives in social housing is expected to contribute if they have spare bedrooms. They will be horrified that a the lowest paid get additional benefits work related benefits You are living in La La land, Many people face daily struggles and don't claim anything. Benefits are not a bad thing but they have to be set at a certain level, unfortunately they were provided by Labour at a level where claimants in the North East did quite well relative to the rest of the country. Now is time for a bit of realism and things must change everyone is getting a bit shirty and laying the blame at bankers and making out higher rate taxpayers are swerving their tax obligations. Taxpaying Homeowner

8:08pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Quote: "Now is time for a bit of realism and things must change everyone is getting a bit shirty and laying the blame at bankers and making out higher rate taxpayers are swerving their tax obligations"

You're the one who needs a bit of realism.
The Banks ARE to blame entirely, they were hours from 'allegedly' going bust and needed bailing out by us and we are still paying the price. They are still up to the same tricks and are still corrupt to the core. Remember the unfair bank charges scandal that suddenly went away? What about Libor rate rigging, PPI miselling, laundering drug cartel money, closing down viable businesses and buying up their assets on the cheap, the list goes on and on and on. The whole banking system is built on a scam, they create money out of thin air and use debt to control us. Just how far buried in the sand is your head?
Quote: "Now is time for a bit of realism and things must change everyone is getting a bit shirty and laying the blame at bankers and making out higher rate taxpayers are swerving their tax obligations" You're the one who needs a bit of realism. The Banks ARE to blame entirely, they were hours from 'allegedly' going bust and needed bailing out by us and we are still paying the price. They are still up to the same tricks and are still corrupt to the core. Remember the unfair bank charges scandal that suddenly went away? What about Libor rate rigging, PPI miselling, laundering drug cartel money, closing down viable businesses and buying up their assets on the cheap, the list goes on and on and on. The whole banking system is built on a scam, they create money out of thin air and use debt to control us. Just how far buried in the sand is your head? Jonn

9:09pm Wed 11 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

The "Banks" are a different story entirely! This story is about the excessive payments of benefit payments. Even without a financial crisis this would still be an issue!

But since you have such a problem with the banks I'll give you a tip - live within your means! If you don't take on excessive debt then the banks have no "control" over you! Despite all the scandals/scams you list, I never had an endowment, never took PPI, my business loan was on extremely good terms which was paid off ahead of time. I have always controlled my finances - meaning we often had/have to wait to save up for what we wanted and my kids never had the latest trainers etc - but I never relinquished control of my life to any bank!

Of course living within your means was not encouraged over the 13 years of Blair/Brown. We were all told the years of boom/bust were over, "never again" said Brown - so the message was go and fill your boots and spend, spend! The banks took advantage of this and were encouraged to do so by short termist governments in the US and Europe - led by Blair/Brown! They are the prime architects for the mess we are now in!
The "Banks" are a different story entirely! This story is about the excessive payments of benefit payments. Even without a financial crisis this would still be an issue! But since you have such a problem with the banks I'll give you a tip - live within your means! If you don't take on excessive debt then the banks have no "control" over you! Despite all the scandals/scams you list, I never had an endowment, never took PPI, my business loan was on extremely good terms which was paid off ahead of time. I have always controlled my finances - meaning we often had/have to wait to save up for what we wanted and my kids never had the latest trainers etc - but I never relinquished control of my life to any bank! Of course living within your means was not encouraged over the 13 years of Blair/Brown. We were all told the years of boom/bust were over, "never again" said Brown - so the message was go and fill your boots and spend, spend! The banks took advantage of this and were encouraged to do so by short termist governments in the US and Europe - led by Blair/Brown! They are the prime architects for the mess we are now in! DarloXman

9:50pm Wed 11 Dec 13

pandorica says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
pandorica wrote:
DarloXman wrote:
pandorica wrote:
Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches.......

.Hell
o,
yes I agree with you and I wish you well in the future. I think a system that is fair to all is a great idea, but it has to work from the top as well. Those who avoid paying tax through devious means, those people along with the government need to be accountable for their action and not blame this financial crisis purely on the benefits system. I work full time and I see the fallout of these benefits cuts and what it is actually doing to families. I do not see families leading lavish lifestyles, I do see families at breaking point with no where to go and no help in place to prevent their children becoming another statistic of a child living in poverty which this government tries to hide. I appreciate your comments DarloXman, but there are still others out there who clearly live their life in a goldfish bowl judging others when they have no idea on the true facts of reality. This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first. The other issue I would like to comment on, spare bedroom tax. From the houses I visit, the children are in the bedrooms and have been way before this tax was introduced. In fact there is no spare bedrooms, it is just another way of hitting the most poor where it hurts. Yes lets tax them for a bedroom even thou their kids are probably living it, lets say they need to downsize to a 2 bedroom house as we need the property's for larger families, but wait, there is no smaller property's for them to go to. !!!! Well isn't that a coincidence. Especially when you have pensioners on their own living in 3 bedroom property's. The whole thing is a disgrace and this government are demoralising our future generation.Are you mad???

'This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first.'

Yes, I can just see Germany getting wind of the fact that this evil regime won't pay over the 'average working family income' to those who don't work. They will be outraged by the fact that someone who lives in social housing is expected to contribute if they have spare bedrooms. They will be horrified that a the lowest paid get additional benefits work related benefits

You are living in La La land, Many people face daily struggles and don't claim anything. Benefits are not a bad thing but they have to be set at a certain level, unfortunately they were provided by Labour at a level where claimants in the North East did quite well relative to the rest of the country.

Now is time for a bit of realism and things must change everyone is getting a bit shirty and laying the blame at bankers and making out higher rate taxpayers are swerving their tax obligations.Oh I live in the real world. The worst of this situation is yet to come. Yes they are there to help people. And yes the system needs to be fair to all. But if we are all in it together then why should the poor people take all this flack and blame when those who have wasted millions have not been made accountable. You clearly did not read my comments properly as I said those who have children living in the bedrooms actually have no spare bedrooms. So why should they pay extra for it?

I only hope that life does not throw a spanner in the works for you, and that you become one of these people you think are the leeches of life.

Lets blame the whole country's problems on benefit scroungers, as it is the easy option rather than own up and be accountable for their mistakes.

I do not claim any benefits, I work and have done all my working life. It just really gets to me that you can look down on some one like this.

I agree those on lower incomes are struggling as well. You work and your wages are paid out on bills. But come on, is that really the fault of the unemployed?
You are living in La La land if you are naïve enough to believe the Tory hype.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: Some comments on here disgust me. From what I understand everyone on benefits are leeches, druggies and sla&s who knock children out for the extravagant benefits. What a pretty uneducated opinion you have. Tell that to the thousands of genuine people who have no choice to be on benefits either because of redundancy, lack of jobs, lack of choices, ill health, caring for others. You are all turning against your own people, sitting there in your ivory towers looking down your noses. I hate this country and what it is turning into.[/p][/quote]No-one has said all benefit claimants are "leeches....... .Hell o, yes I agree with you and I wish you well in the future. I think a system that is fair to all is a great idea, but it has to work from the top as well. Those who avoid paying tax through devious means, those people along with the government need to be accountable for their action and not blame this financial crisis purely on the benefits system. I work full time and I see the fallout of these benefits cuts and what it is actually doing to families. I do not see families leading lavish lifestyles, I do see families at breaking point with no where to go and no help in place to prevent their children becoming another statistic of a child living in poverty which this government tries to hide. I appreciate your comments DarloXman, but there are still others out there who clearly live their life in a goldfish bowl judging others when they have no idea on the true facts of reality. This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first. The other issue I would like to comment on, spare bedroom tax. From the houses I visit, the children are in the bedrooms and have been way before this tax was introduced. In fact there is no spare bedrooms, it is just another way of hitting the most poor where it hurts. Yes lets tax them for a bedroom even thou their kids are probably living it, lets say they need to downsize to a 2 bedroom house as we need the property's for larger families, but wait, there is no smaller property's for them to go to. !!!! Well isn't that a coincidence. Especially when you have pensioners on their own living in 3 bedroom property's. The whole thing is a disgrace and this government are demoralising our future generation.[/p][/quote]Are you mad??? 'This government are no better than some of the worlds cruellest dictators for which we sent out troops in to aid their innocent population. Only difference between Cameron and them is Cameron has not got the guts to admit he is just the same, killing the most poor population off first.' Yes, I can just see Germany getting wind of the fact that this evil regime won't pay over the 'average working family income' to those who don't work. They will be outraged by the fact that someone who lives in social housing is expected to contribute if they have spare bedrooms. They will be horrified that a the lowest paid get additional benefits work related benefits You are living in La La land, Many people face daily struggles and don't claim anything. Benefits are not a bad thing but they have to be set at a certain level, unfortunately they were provided by Labour at a level where claimants in the North East did quite well relative to the rest of the country. Now is time for a bit of realism and things must change everyone is getting a bit shirty and laying the blame at bankers and making out higher rate taxpayers are swerving their tax obligations.[/p][/quote]Oh I live in the real world. The worst of this situation is yet to come. Yes they are there to help people. And yes the system needs to be fair to all. But if we are all in it together then why should the poor people take all this flack and blame when those who have wasted millions have not been made accountable. You clearly did not read my comments properly as I said those who have children living in the bedrooms actually have no spare bedrooms. So why should they pay extra for it? I only hope that life does not throw a spanner in the works for you, and that you become one of these people you think are the leeches of life. Lets blame the whole country's problems on benefit scroungers, as it is the easy option rather than own up and be accountable for their mistakes. I do not claim any benefits, I work and have done all my working life. It just really gets to me that you can look down on some one like this. I agree those on lower incomes are struggling as well. You work and your wages are paid out on bills. But come on, is that really the fault of the unemployed? You are living in La La land if you are naïve enough to believe the Tory hype. pandorica

9:53pm Wed 11 Dec 13

pandorica says...

Oh my comments all seem to be getting jumbled up in one thread, sorry if its a bit difficult in reading, do not know why this has happened.
Oh my comments all seem to be getting jumbled up in one thread, sorry if its a bit difficult in reading, do not know why this has happened. pandorica

10:29pm Wed 11 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

pandorica....How dare you demean and insult our brave British Troops who are fighting murdering Taliban. Poor deenceless army bandsman Lee Rigby was murdered on a London Street by one of their so called fanatical converts. Most of this British *****poverty left wing propoganda is a complete load of utter codswallop, I have see so called deprived 'Council and Social Housing families' on British estates with Cars, Plasma TVs, Mobile Phones, TV games etc, etc and who do not use the bus but who get a Taxi to do their shopping with. Poverty in greedy lazy materialistic Britain is both in its infancy and a myth for over 99 per cent of the British population. You merchants of doom and gloom make me sick with you conjured figueres and perpetual left wing minipulated negative rubbish.
pandorica....How dare you demean and insult our brave British Troops who are fighting murdering Taliban. Poor deenceless army bandsman Lee Rigby was murdered on a London Street by one of their so called fanatical converts. Most of this British *****poverty left wing propoganda is a complete load of utter codswallop, I have see so called deprived 'Council and Social Housing families' on British estates with Cars, Plasma TVs, Mobile Phones, TV games etc, etc and who do not use the bus but who get a Taxi to do their shopping with. Poverty in greedy lazy materialistic Britain is both in its infancy and a myth for over 99 per cent of the British population. You merchants of doom and gloom make me sick with you conjured figueres and perpetual left wing minipulated negative rubbish. cushybutterfield

10:47pm Wed 11 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

pandorica.......You want to see real oppressive Dictators ?.... well see the evil Dictators in Russia with their 'prison- Gulags' full of innocent people and the ******Ukraine******* where decent working class people have smashed a statute of Lenin with a Sledgehammer they are so sick and disgusted with life under Moscow and their 'Russia Commie'-oppressive-S
ocialism' Visit North Korea and observe real oppressed robotic brainwashed people and real hardship. You have NEVER had it SO GOOD in Britain, you do not know how lucky you are to live in Britain, everything is provided for your needs and a lot, lot, more in fact everything from 'A to Z' under this Government. You have to ***Work and **Earn a living, Britain does NOT owe you a living. All people like you do is, ...... politically point score-whinge and what ? may I ask have people of your 'political elk' ever done anything positive for Britain ?.
pandorica.......You want to see real oppressive Dictators ?.... well see the evil Dictators in Russia with their 'prison- Gulags' full of innocent people and the ******Ukraine******* where decent working class people have smashed a statute of Lenin with a Sledgehammer they are so sick and disgusted with life under Moscow and their 'Russia Commie'-oppressive-S ocialism' Visit North Korea and observe real oppressed robotic brainwashed people and real hardship. You have NEVER had it SO GOOD in Britain, you do not know how lucky you are to live in Britain, everything is provided for your needs and a lot, lot, more in fact everything from 'A to Z' under this Government. You have to ***Work and **Earn a living, Britain does NOT owe you a living. All people like you do is, ...... politically point score-whinge and what ? may I ask have people of your 'political elk' ever done anything positive for Britain ?. cushybutterfield

11:05pm Wed 11 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Continued).. So called .
Modern day British .Poverty and Hardship, apart from some***genuine deserving elderly the words are banded about nowadays like loose confetti. Modern Day Povety, no resemblence in a 'Thousand years' compared with 'real poverty and hardship' in Britain during the war years when Britain and the British People where fighting for their very survival most existing in the Cities and Towns on ONE egg and a ONE square inch of bacon a WEEK. They did not whinge, moan and groan, like today, whinging about anything and everything again from 'A to Z,' but got on with it putting their beloved Country BRITAIN FIRST. A *****VOW TO BRITAIN THE COUNTRY THEY SUPPORTED AND LOVED.
Continued).. So called . Modern day British .Poverty and Hardship, apart from some***genuine deserving elderly the words are banded about nowadays like loose confetti. Modern Day Povety, no resemblence in a 'Thousand years' compared with 'real poverty and hardship' in Britain during the war years when Britain and the British People where fighting for their very survival most existing in the Cities and Towns on ONE egg and a ONE square inch of bacon a WEEK. They did not whinge, moan and groan, like today, whinging about anything and everything again from 'A to Z,' but got on with it putting their beloved Country BRITAIN FIRST. A *****VOW TO BRITAIN THE COUNTRY THEY SUPPORTED AND LOVED. cushybutterfield

2:55pm Fri 13 Dec 13

theWorkerScum says...

How can anyone argue at a 26k cap. It's makes me sick that people try to dis credit the article with irrelevant rubbish. After I've paid tax and ni my annual salary doesn't equate to 26k. I have travelling costs to work but hey whoas counting. The irony is the real people living in poverty are the workers. I don't want to hear that you don't get that much in benefits! Read the article and tell me that's not fair. I don't even buy nhs prescriptions because they too expensive, yet I see people who in the chemist and they have no respect almost like they think they owed something from society that has looked after that all their life.
How can anyone argue at a 26k cap. It's makes me sick that people try to dis credit the article with irrelevant rubbish. After I've paid tax and ni my annual salary doesn't equate to 26k. I have travelling costs to work but hey whoas counting. The irony is the real people living in poverty are the workers. I don't want to hear that you don't get that much in benefits! Read the article and tell me that's not fair. I don't even buy nhs prescriptions because they too expensive, yet I see people who in the chemist and they have no respect almost like they think they owed something from society that has looked after that all their life. theWorkerScum

5:18pm Fri 13 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Lets get this clarified, Hundreds of Thousands of people on British benefits are paid for by the ***working taxpayer these are people who **omit and **refuse to do ANY WORK **by choice but **still*** are in receipt of £26,OOO p.a. (Yearly) for doing **nothing, for carrying out....*** NO work**** of any sort. . On a similar theme, if by *****magic **Six Hundred thousand have 'FAILED' the new incapacity test, they were deemed FIT to carry out work and ***not unfit as they were still claiming.......and have with the new assessment****by signed themselves off. What a national disgrace and abuse of the enefits system. Millions of benefits given and 'to be given', to people who were not entitled to any and the **genuine claimants suffer.
Lets get this clarified, Hundreds of Thousands of people on British benefits are paid for by the ***working taxpayer these are people who **omit and **refuse to do ANY WORK **by choice but **still*** are in receipt of £26,OOO p.a. (Yearly) for doing **nothing, for carrying out....*** NO work**** of any sort. . On a similar theme, if by *****magic **Six Hundred thousand have 'FAILED' the new incapacity test, they were deemed FIT to carry out work and ***not unfit as they were still claiming.......and have with the new assessment****by signed themselves off. What a national disgrace and abuse of the enefits system. Millions of benefits given and 'to be given', to people who were not entitled to any and the **genuine claimants suffer. cushybutterfield

6:44pm Fri 13 Dec 13

sineater says...

Where this cap is set at, doesn't mean everybody out of work gets this figure as I stated before that amount applies to areas of expensive housing such as parts of London,unemployed people,and low paid workers have nothing to do with how rents are set,blame that on people who haven't built enough houses thus boosting the cost of hoses and rents.They are planning to reduce the cap to £21,thousand,so there will be more poverty created. Most of the said figures are taken up by high rents,which is nothing to do with claimants.
Where this cap is set at, doesn't mean everybody out of work gets this figure as I stated before that amount applies to areas of expensive housing such as parts of London,unemployed people,and low paid workers have nothing to do with how rents are set,blame that on people who haven't built enough houses thus boosting the cost of hoses and rents.They are planning to reduce the cap to £21,thousand,so there will be more poverty created. Most of the said figures are taken up by high rents,which is nothing to do with claimants. sineater

6:51pm Fri 13 Dec 13

sineater says...

Darloxman, How can you "live within your means",iff you are a single person with a spare bedroom who has had their benefit reduced and trying to live on less than £55 per week,come on solve that one.Don't say get a job,because people onlow wages are struggling to live as well.
Darloxman, How can you "live within your means",iff you are a single person with a spare bedroom who has had their benefit reduced and trying to live on less than £55 per week,come on solve that one.Don't say get a job,because people onlow wages are struggling to live as well. sineater

7:06pm Fri 13 Dec 13

sineater says...

THO You seem to think everybody are like you recently, you said you would vote for whoever makes the best offer,so no principles then.Now you claim I am jealous of people who made a killing buying their council house on the cheap- ha. Iff at the time they were selling off council houses In the eighties I had the cash to buy a home, I would have gone private,which was the intention when council houses where first brought in. Of course people who don't care and are not principled at all, and don't care about the 2 million waiting list that has created bought their house on the cheap Iff you think the so called bedroom tax is fair, it just confirms what I have said above.
THO You seem to think everybody are like you recently, you said you would vote for whoever makes the best offer,so no principles then.Now you claim I am jealous of people who made a killing buying their council house on the cheap- ha. Iff at the time they were selling off council houses In the eighties I had the cash to buy a home, I would have gone private,which was the intention when council houses where first brought in. Of course people who don't care and are not principled at all, and don't care about the 2 million waiting list that has created bought their house on the cheap Iff you think the so called bedroom tax is fair, it just confirms what I have said above. sineater

8:10pm Fri 13 Dec 13

spragger says...

The Government are indicating there needs to be more savings on Welfare
First step is cut this cap to the minimum wage
Its ridiculous setting it at a level not far short of being a high rate taxpayer
The Government are indicating there needs to be more savings on Welfare First step is cut this cap to the minimum wage Its ridiculous setting it at a level not far short of being a high rate taxpayer spragger

8:23pm Fri 13 Dec 13

spragger says...

sineater wrote:
Your mistake is jealousy,the country could quite easily stop paying benefits to everyone in need,so what a few thousand starve to death,as long as "hard working" tax payers money is not" wasted" on these "failures" of society.Of course when the effects filter through in a few years we won't have a big enough work-force to run the country,but hey as long as wasters don't get their hands on your taxes that's a good result. The point I was making about tax avoidance is ,people like you are having your attention deflected from the wrongs of bankers,tax avoiders,and the like on purpose,and all the heat put on benefit claimants ,because that is what the government wants,and you fall for it,the government manipulate peoples thinking ,then sit back and laugh at all of you-so gullible.
The only jealous people are the lefties and wasters like yourself. Full of avarice & greed
You have no compunction about taking other peoples money & not lifting a finger to help your self.

Its a very sick world that you inhabit
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Your mistake is jealousy,the country could quite easily stop paying benefits to everyone in need,so what a few thousand starve to death,as long as "hard working" tax payers money is not" wasted" on these "failures" of society.Of course when the effects filter through in a few years we won't have a big enough work-force to run the country,but hey as long as wasters don't get their hands on your taxes that's a good result. The point I was making about tax avoidance is ,people like you are having your attention deflected from the wrongs of bankers,tax avoiders,and the like on purpose,and all the heat put on benefit claimants ,because that is what the government wants,and you fall for it,the government manipulate peoples thinking ,then sit back and laugh at all of you-so gullible.[/p][/quote]The only jealous people are the lefties and wasters like yourself. Full of avarice & greed You have no compunction about taking other peoples money & not lifting a finger to help your self. Its a very sick world that you inhabit spragger

1:01am Sat 14 Dec 13

theWorkerScum says...

sineater wrote:
Where this cap is set at, doesn't mean everybody out of work gets this figure as I stated before that amount applies to areas of expensive housing such as parts of London,unemployed people,and low paid workers have nothing to do with how rents are set,blame that on people who haven't built enough houses thus boosting the cost of hoses and rents.They are planning to reduce the cap to £21,thousand,so there will be more poverty created. Most of the said figures are taken up by high rents,which is nothing to do with claimants.
26k isn't poverty and neither is 21k, Jesus Christ did everyone's iq drop while I was working for the last year. Give,me 21k to spend each year and I'll happily quit my job. I'm shocked by the level of ignorance on this forum. When you geta break from your morning tv and doctor appointments and fags and sky tv and booze please study the inland revenue website and. Work out how much a worker earning 30k brings home. Honestly you need a good slap.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Where this cap is set at, doesn't mean everybody out of work gets this figure as I stated before that amount applies to areas of expensive housing such as parts of London,unemployed people,and low paid workers have nothing to do with how rents are set,blame that on people who haven't built enough houses thus boosting the cost of hoses and rents.They are planning to reduce the cap to £21,thousand,so there will be more poverty created. Most of the said figures are taken up by high rents,which is nothing to do with claimants.[/p][/quote]26k isn't poverty and neither is 21k, Jesus Christ did everyone's iq drop while I was working for the last year. Give,me 21k to spend each year and I'll happily quit my job. I'm shocked by the level of ignorance on this forum. When you geta break from your morning tv and doctor appointments and fags and sky tv and booze please study the inland revenue website and. Work out how much a worker earning 30k brings home. Honestly you need a good slap. theWorkerScum

1:38am Sat 14 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

If I have to pay much more tax to support these claimants I will no longer be able to employ my cleaners, gardner, and a general working fellow. My inability to do so will have a direct knock on consequence on their ability to support themselves etc. 26,000 is too much for a claimant - they have no human right to breed and no human right to expect others to pay for them. Those who have paid into the system should be supported - in the short term- until they get back on their feet. Claiming benefits should not become a lifestyle choice - it should not offer sufficient money to ever be considered as such. Further, one should get no support from the state until one has paid into the system for at least 3 years (unless one was disabled from birth - or some other form of defect by which one cannot ever work). A return to an expectation that all in society will and should work is drastically overdue.
If I have to pay much more tax to support these claimants I will no longer be able to employ my cleaners, gardner, and a general working fellow. My inability to do so will have a direct knock on consequence on their ability to support themselves etc. 26,000 is too much for a claimant - they have no human right to breed and no human right to expect others to pay for them. Those who have paid into the system should be supported - in the short term- until they get back on their feet. Claiming benefits should not become a lifestyle choice - it should not offer sufficient money to ever be considered as such. Further, one should get no support from the state until one has paid into the system for at least 3 years (unless one was disabled from birth - or some other form of defect by which one cannot ever work). A return to an expectation that all in society will and should work is drastically overdue. Voice-of-reality

7:18am Sat 14 Dec 13

roaduser98 says...

More work for ATOS to weed out the claimants who are over paid at £26K per annum!
I wonder how much ATOS ( A FRENCH COMPANY)is being paid for this extremely valuable work to the UK economy?
More work for ATOS to weed out the claimants who are over paid at £26K per annum! I wonder how much ATOS ( A FRENCH COMPANY)is being paid for this extremely valuable work to the UK economy? roaduser98

12:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Jonn says...

roaduser98 wrote:
More work for ATOS to weed out the claimants who are over paid at £26K per annum!
I wonder how much ATOS ( A FRENCH COMPANY)is being paid for this extremely valuable work to the UK economy?
£110 million a year and still declared woefully inadequate. Plus the new PIP contracts are worth 100s of millions too.
It had also been revealed that ATOS were not given targets by the DWP to get people off the sick, they are instead called called 'statistical norms', 11% are allowed to be unfit for work, the other 89% have to be fit for work.
[quote][p][bold]roaduser98[/bold] wrote: More work for ATOS to weed out the claimants who are over paid at £26K per annum! I wonder how much ATOS ( A FRENCH COMPANY)is being paid for this extremely valuable work to the UK economy?[/p][/quote]£110 million a year and still declared woefully inadequate. Plus the new PIP contracts are worth 100s of millions too. It had also been revealed that ATOS were not given targets by the DWP to get people off the sick, they are instead called called 'statistical norms', 11% are allowed to be unfit for work, the other 89% have to be fit for work. Jonn

1:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sineater says...

Yes Worker scum ,your ignorance is staggering,as I have said twice before the figure of £26k,mainly applies to expensive areas of housing e.g. London,poorly paid and unemployed people around the country do not get said amount as a norm,i know you have difficulty understanding things but please don't let me have to explain this another time ffs !!!
Yes Worker scum ,your ignorance is staggering,as I have said twice before the figure of £26k,mainly applies to expensive areas of housing e.g. London,poorly paid and unemployed people around the country do not get said amount as a norm,i know you have difficulty understanding things but please don't let me have to explain this another time ffs !!! sineater

1:28pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sineater says...

Darloxman How many bedrooms do people on benefits think they should be allowed to have,i cannot believe your astounding ignorance !!! The amount of times this has been explained.and you still don't understand !! For the millionth time (that's what it seems like},iff there are no smaller homes for people to move into,then those people are being unfairly penalised,and are struggling to survive why can't fools like you see that?The reason that they have no where to got to is because successive governments have not built enough housing,and when they have nobody is building one bedroom homes,who many people currentky being abused by the socalled bedroom tax need.Now I hope that explains things about housing ,iff not you seriously need help mate.!!
Darloxman How many bedrooms do people on benefits think they should be allowed to have,i cannot believe your astounding ignorance !!! The amount of times this has been explained.and you still don't understand !! For the millionth time (that's what it seems like},iff there are no smaller homes for people to move into,then those people are being unfairly penalised,and are struggling to survive why can't fools like you see that?The reason that they have no where to got to is because successive governments have not built enough housing,and when they have nobody is building one bedroom homes,who many people currentky being abused by the socalled bedroom tax need.Now I hope that explains things about housing ,iff not you seriously need help mate.!! sineater

1:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sineater says...

Spragger, I think you mean right wingers are full of averice and greed don't you?,as I have said several times,there is a doctor and a teacher in my family,and I amm very proud of them,How could I be jealous of my relatives,when I know the hard work they put in to qualify?.Socialism has nothing to do with jealousy,it's fairness, labour campaigns for,something tories no nothing about.
Spragger, I think you mean right wingers are full of averice and greed don't you?,as I have said several times,there is a doctor and a teacher in my family,and I amm very proud of them,How could I be jealous of my relatives,when I know the hard work they put in to qualify?.Socialism has nothing to do with jealousy,it's fairness, labour campaigns for,something tories no nothing about. sineater

2:19pm Sat 14 Dec 13

nick.scott says...

sineater wrote:
Spragger, I think you mean right wingers are full of averice and greed don't you?,as I have said several times,there is a doctor and a teacher in my family,and I amm very proud of them,How could I be jealous of my relatives,when I know the hard work they put in to qualify?.Socialism has nothing to do with jealousy,it's fairness, labour campaigns for,something tories no nothing about.
Well put Sineater but I think that the fact that you have to explain this means those who need an explanation will never understand it.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Spragger, I think you mean right wingers are full of averice and greed don't you?,as I have said several times,there is a doctor and a teacher in my family,and I amm very proud of them,How could I be jealous of my relatives,when I know the hard work they put in to qualify?.Socialism has nothing to do with jealousy,it's fairness, labour campaigns for,something tories no nothing about.[/p][/quote]Well put Sineater but I think that the fact that you have to explain this means those who need an explanation will never understand it. nick.scott

2:36pm Sat 14 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

sineater wrote:
Darloxman How many bedrooms do people on benefits think they should be allowed to have,i cannot believe your astounding ignorance !!! The amount of times this has been explained.and you still don't understand !! For the millionth time (that's what it seems like},iff there are no smaller homes for people to move into,then those people are being unfairly penalised,and are struggling to survive why can't fools like you see that?The reason that they have no where to got to is because successive governments have not built enough housing,and when they have nobody is building one bedroom homes,who many people currentky being abused by the socalled bedroom tax need.Now I hope that explains things about housing ,iff not you seriously need help mate.!!
sineater -- this is what I asked you!

"So what I ask is ..... What do "people like you" think should be done with the benefits system? Should it simply be left as it is or should it even be increased? If you support the latter, where is the money going to come from?"

Still waiting for an answer. Are you finding the questions too hard?

It is easy to spout bile and insult people, why not try to have a reasoned debate instead?
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Darloxman How many bedrooms do people on benefits think they should be allowed to have,i cannot believe your astounding ignorance !!! The amount of times this has been explained.and you still don't understand !! For the millionth time (that's what it seems like},iff there are no smaller homes for people to move into,then those people are being unfairly penalised,and are struggling to survive why can't fools like you see that?The reason that they have no where to got to is because successive governments have not built enough housing,and when they have nobody is building one bedroom homes,who many people currentky being abused by the socalled bedroom tax need.Now I hope that explains things about housing ,iff not you seriously need help mate.!![/p][/quote]sineater -- this is what I asked you! "So what I ask is ..... What do "people like you" think should be done with the benefits system? Should it simply be left as it is or should it even be increased? If you support the latter, where is the money going to come from?" Still waiting for an answer. Are you finding the questions too hard? It is easy to spout bile and insult people, why not try to have a reasoned debate instead? DarloXman

2:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

hullgodfreyshire says...

why o why does this country have so many ignorant people who believe anything the tory press feed them. IF every one of these tory claims were true this country would have disappeared into an ocean of debt YEARS AGO , there may be a few lazy ba****Ds , who go through life thinking the world owes them a life on the dole, As a rule MOST people only claim dole when they are unable to work, i.e. WHEN A COUNTRY IN GOING THROUGH A WORLD WIDE RECCESSION , You know the one STARTED BY THE BANKERS. not Labour ,Since when has being DISABLED been an excuse to label people as lazy lying idle scum, as the tory government lead by that dispicable IDIOT DUNCAN SMITT. they hire a company from FRANCE , called ATOS, who by the way do not give a toss, the pass peole as fir for work , even if they are dying from cancer, as long as they meet figures set down by I.D.S. THEY EVEN HAVE DENTIST RECEPIONIST DOING THE MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS.( I kid you not.) So next time you think of going on a rant on behalve of this tory shower of bullys, stop and think about all those who would rather be ABLE to work but are UNABLE, DUE TO DISABILITY OR REDUNDANCY CAUSED BY THIS CRAP GOVERNMENT IN POWER WHO HAVE PUT OVER 1 MILLION MORE PEOPLE ON THE DOLE WHILST THEY HAVE BEEN IN POWER.
roll on the next election, when the rest of this country can get rid of them for good.
why o why does this country have so many ignorant people who believe anything the tory press feed them. IF every one of these tory claims were true this country would have disappeared into an ocean of debt YEARS AGO , there may be a few lazy ba****Ds , who go through life thinking the world owes them a life on the dole, As a rule MOST people only claim dole when they are unable to work, i.e. WHEN A COUNTRY IN GOING THROUGH A WORLD WIDE RECCESSION , You know the one STARTED BY THE BANKERS. not Labour ,Since when has being DISABLED been an excuse to label people as lazy lying idle scum, as the tory government lead by that dispicable IDIOT DUNCAN SMITT. they hire a company from FRANCE , called ATOS, who by the way do not give a toss, the pass peole as fir for work , even if they are dying from cancer, as long as they meet figures set down by I.D.S. THEY EVEN HAVE DENTIST RECEPIONIST DOING THE MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS.( I kid you not.) So next time you think of going on a rant on behalve of this tory shower of bullys, stop and think about all those who would rather be ABLE to work but are UNABLE, DUE TO DISABILITY OR REDUNDANCY CAUSED BY THIS CRAP GOVERNMENT IN POWER WHO HAVE PUT OVER 1 MILLION MORE PEOPLE ON THE DOLE WHILST THEY HAVE BEEN IN POWER. roll on the next election, when the rest of this country can get rid of them for good. hullgodfreyshire

3:00pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sineater says...

Darloxman, Leave it as it is,but it has not been left,people have had their benefits cut or taken away,where have you been the last three years?Have a reasoned debate when someone says people being forced to survive on less than £55 per week are getting too much.I am a very reasonable person,but when dealing with people who abuse poor and disabled and unemployed people,and believe all the rubbish the tories feed them,how can you reason with people like that? increase benefits?seriously ill people have had their sick benefits TAKEN AWAY,does nothing you read on these pages ever sink in with you. ggms
Darloxman, Leave it as it is,but it has not been left,people have had their benefits cut or taken away,where have you been the last three years?Have a reasoned debate when someone says people being forced to survive on less than £55 per week are getting too much.I am a very reasonable person,but when dealing with people who abuse poor and disabled and unemployed people,and believe all the rubbish the tories feed them,how can you reason with people like that? increase benefits?seriously ill people have had their sick benefits TAKEN AWAY,does nothing you read on these pages ever sink in with you. ggms sineater

3:08pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Sineater, those of £26,000 a year are on considerably more than £55 per week (simple maths) and it is that level of benefit claimant with which this article is interested.
Sineater, those of £26,000 a year are on considerably more than £55 per week (simple maths) and it is that level of benefit claimant with which this article is interested. Voice-of-reality

5:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

They need to start dishing out tokens instead of putting money into the sponger's bank account, 10 snots a day in tokens is enough for people who do nowt, give them some privileges when they clean the streets!!
They need to start dishing out tokens instead of putting money into the sponger's bank account, 10 snots a day in tokens is enough for people who do nowt, give them some privileges when they clean the streets!! Jackaranda

5:42pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Jonn says...

The right wing mind is a very strange phenomenon. It sees only in black and white, not colour. It has no objective balance, it believes it is always right and everyone else is wrong. It is resistant to change and has a tolerance for inequality. It only sees what is good for itself and not for the good of the greater society. It would privatise it's Grandmother if allowed the chance.
I was only a boy during the Conservative reign of the 1980's but still remember when my Dad lost his job and was called a scrounger for signing on. The last 3 years of this Government have been the most unpleasant, hateful, spiteful, socially divided times I have ever witnessed. Roll on 2015!
The right wing mind is a very strange phenomenon. It sees only in black and white, not colour. It has no objective balance, it believes it is always right and everyone else is wrong. It is resistant to change and has a tolerance for inequality. It only sees what is good for itself and not for the good of the greater society. It would privatise it's Grandmother if allowed the chance. I was only a boy during the Conservative reign of the 1980's but still remember when my Dad lost his job and was called a scrounger for signing on. The last 3 years of this Government have been the most unpleasant, hateful, spiteful, socially divided times I have ever witnessed. Roll on 2015! Jonn

5:44pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sineater says...

VOR, I thought you were supposed to be intelligent,did you not read what I have said several times already. The figure of £26k,was thought up for the London area in mind,because of it's expensive housing are you with me so far ? The figure of £55,are what single people who were on £71 jobseekers allowance,before their housing benefit was cut,still keeping up ( I hope so) The cap of £26k covers a small number of familes living in a few areas of expensive housing,it is not an average of all benefit claimants-now do you get it?
VOR, I thought you were supposed to be intelligent,did you not read what I have said several times already. The figure of £26k,was thought up for the London area in mind,because of it's expensive housing are you with me so far ? The figure of £55,are what single people who were on £71 jobseekers allowance,before their housing benefit was cut,still keeping up ( I hope so) The cap of £26k covers a small number of familes living in a few areas of expensive housing,it is not an average of all benefit claimants-now do you get it? sineater

5:47pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sineater says...

Jacaranda , They need to dish out tokens for poorly educated morons like you ,to attend adult education classes
Jacaranda , They need to dish out tokens for poorly educated morons like you ,to attend adult education classes sineater

6:38pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Sineater, my apologies - I thought the figure of £26k was that for the north - I stand corrected.
Sineater, my apologies - I thought the figure of £26k was that for the north - I stand corrected. Voice-of-reality

7:20pm Sun 15 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

I can recommend a Book to the benefit workshy, it is called 'Self Help' by Samuel SMILES. It even advises ****How to get out of bed in the morning, ******How to get on your Bike and look for work and ****how to ***earn a living by doing a Fair days ***work for a fair days pay, an alien concept to left wing, labourite punters and some Trade Unions today.
I can recommend a Book to the benefit workshy, it is called 'Self Help' by Samuel SMILES. It even advises ****How to get out of bed in the morning, ******How to get on your Bike and look for work and ****how to ***earn a living by doing a Fair days ***work for a fair days pay, an alien concept to left wing, labourite punters and some Trade Unions today. cushybutterfield

8:37pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Jonn says...

When at the Lord Majors Banquet, after stuffing his fat face with the finest food and wine, David Cameron rose from his golden chair, to read his 'permanent austerity' speech from a golden lecturn, surrounded by golden table statues, you just know something isn't quite right with the man.
When at the Lord Majors Banquet, after stuffing his fat face with the finest food and wine, David Cameron rose from his golden chair, to read his 'permanent austerity' speech from a golden lecturn, surrounded by golden table statues, you just know something isn't quite right with the man. Jonn

8:39pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Jonn says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
I can recommend a Book to the benefit workshy, it is called 'Self Help' by Samuel SMILES. It even advises ****How to get out of bed in the morning, ******How to get on your Bike and look for work and ****how to ***earn a living by doing a Fair days ***work for a fair days pay, an alien concept to left wing, labourite punters and some Trade Unions today.
'A fair days pay'. Those days are gone for millions I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: I can recommend a Book to the benefit workshy, it is called 'Self Help' by Samuel SMILES. It even advises ****How to get out of bed in the morning, ******How to get on your Bike and look for work and ****how to ***earn a living by doing a Fair days ***work for a fair days pay, an alien concept to left wing, labourite punters and some Trade Unions today.[/p][/quote]'A fair days pay'. Those days are gone for millions I'm afraid. Jonn

11:14pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

sineater wrote:
Jacaranda , They need to dish out tokens for poorly educated morons like you ,to attend adult education classes
Can I have some of your tokens Loopy? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Jacaranda , They need to dish out tokens for poorly educated morons like you ,to attend adult education classes[/p][/quote]Can I have some of your tokens Loopy? ;-) Jackaranda

10:15am Mon 16 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Aye ***JOHN****.........
.. it has brought a memory back, not so long ago of seeing a number of gross over weight **Trade Union Members at a well known well North East Civic Centre and 'left wing' Politicians, stuffing their faces with Turkey, Beef, etc, etc, etc, ****enough to feed a decent working class family of ***Ten for a month, the Union punter lot swilled down wine by the gallon (Litres) and gallons (Litres) of Beer. By the end of the evening some were virtually legless and 'huffing and puffing' with ***megga self indulgence and pure greed food intake resulting in sheer exhaustion. The Trade Union punters then had to order an after midnight expensive Taxi, (Paid out of Union Funds of course), a real show and example of so called poverty and austerity. It also begs the question John, will you be sitting with a 'Cup of Water and a lump of stale bread' in your hand for your Christmas Dinner and other meals at Christmas If this is so I would dance naked in the street.
Aye ***JOHN****......... .. it has brought a memory back, not so long ago of seeing a number of gross over weight **Trade Union Members at a well known well North East Civic Centre and 'left wing' Politicians, stuffing their faces with Turkey, Beef, etc, etc, etc, ****enough to feed a decent working class family of ***Ten for a month, the Union punter lot swilled down wine by the gallon (Litres) and gallons (Litres) of Beer. By the end of the evening some were virtually legless and 'huffing and puffing' with ***megga self indulgence and pure greed food intake resulting in sheer exhaustion. The Trade Union punters then had to order an after midnight expensive Taxi, (Paid out of Union Funds of course), a real show and example of so called poverty and austerity. It also begs the question John, will you be sitting with a 'Cup of Water and a lump of stale bread' in your hand for your Christmas Dinner and other meals at Christmas If this is so I would dance naked in the street. cushybutterfield

10:29am Mon 16 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

THOUGHT FOR CHRISTMAS...........
.I see that all the prisoners in Nanny-Benefit State' Britain will all be getting a well fed Christmas Dinner, including some who have ruined peoples Christmas by screwing houses of 'decent working class people' and who have caused misery with their 'Criminal Anti-Social Behaviour'. Yes the lefties and liberals make sure, that most 'sit on their Butt prisoners' get well and truely looked after at Christmas in contrast many of the over eighties, stuck in their homes with little to eat.
THOUGHT FOR CHRISTMAS........... .I see that all the prisoners in Nanny-Benefit State' Britain will all be getting a well fed Christmas Dinner, including some who have ruined peoples Christmas by screwing houses of 'decent working class people' and who have caused misery with their 'Criminal Anti-Social Behaviour'. Yes the lefties and liberals make sure, that most 'sit on their Butt prisoners' get well and truely looked after at Christmas in contrast many of the over eighties, stuck in their homes with little to eat. cushybutterfield

12:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Herorich says...

The Grandmaster wrote:
totally agree that the welfare system should be adjusted so that it makes working for a living more attractive.
However why is the rhetoric always about welfare cheats/scroungers?
Why is it never the tax cheats who are milking the UK tax system and living a life of luxury? what's worse living outside of this country, south of France/Costas and therefore not even putting their 'well earned' inherited wealth back to UK society?
Why is the tory government so focused on reducing the tax to the richest in society (>£150k P.A.) in this time of austerity?
probably because those people are already paying the vast majority of the countries tax income and if they get fed up and move elsewhere, the country (and all those who complain about there poor benefits) would be utterly stuffed. Do some research - you might find it find it quite socking when you relise just how reliant this country is on the relatively few wealthy

Makes me laugh we all complain about big bonuses etc, but cut them and 1. we dont benefit from the tax they pay on them or the expenditure in the economy and 2. the people go elsewhere and pay tax in that country instead.

I am not Rich, but realize but it is not wise to abuse the hand that feeds us. It is long proved in economics that income tax of more than 40% is a bad plan.
[quote][p][bold]The Grandmaster[/bold] wrote: totally agree that the welfare system should be adjusted so that it makes working for a living more attractive. However why is the rhetoric always about welfare cheats/scroungers? Why is it never the tax cheats who are milking the UK tax system and living a life of luxury? what's worse living outside of this country, south of France/Costas and therefore not even putting their 'well earned' inherited wealth back to UK society? Why is the tory government so focused on reducing the tax to the richest in society (>£150k P.A.) in this time of austerity?[/p][/quote]probably because those people are already paying the vast majority of the countries tax income and if they get fed up and move elsewhere, the country (and all those who complain about there poor benefits) would be utterly stuffed. Do some research - you might find it find it quite socking when you relise just how reliant this country is on the relatively few wealthy Makes me laugh we all complain about big bonuses etc, but cut them and 1. we dont benefit from the tax they pay on them or the expenditure in the economy and 2. the people go elsewhere and pay tax in that country instead. I am not Rich, but realize but it is not wise to abuse the hand that feeds us. It is long proved in economics that income tax of more than 40% is a bad plan. Herorich

12:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

sineater says...

Tokens or cash would be wasted on you, you are still one of those out of work should be treated like criminals,you're easy meat for tory propaganda,because you can't think for your self-sad
Tokens or cash would be wasted on you, you are still one of those out of work should be treated like criminals,you're easy meat for tory propaganda,because you can't think for your self-sad sineater

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