Fishburn jobseeker accuses Jobcentre Plus advisor of being unsupportive

The Northern Echo: Grace Newton, 24, claims her Jobcentre Plus advisor was uninterested and unsupportive Grace Newton, 24, claims her Jobcentre Plus advisor was uninterested and unsupportive

A ROW has broken out between a young woman and the Jobcentre Plus after she claimed an advisor signed off blatantly false statements in her employment search diary.

Grace Newton, of Fishburn, County Durham, said she set out to prove her Jobcentre Plus advisor’s lack of interest by including bogus entries in her Looking for Work form – a diary given to those claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance.

Within the form, the 24-year-old former bar worker wrote of a need to buy more baked beans, discussed drugs and prostitution, repeatedly asked if anyone was reading the document and listed “topping herself” in the “what will I do next” section.

She claims the entries, which are mixed in with serious updates on her job search, were on the form when it was signed by her advisor at Stockton Jobcentre Plus.

However, a spokesperson from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said the advisor categorically denied the entries were on the form.

When told of the Jobcentre Plus’ response, Mrs Newton said: “Why would I add things in afterwards? I have more productive things to do with my time.”

Miss Newton began claiming Jobseeeker’s Allowance in September when she moved back to the North-East from London following the death of her father.

Over the last few months she has applied for numerous jobs, attended interviews, researched internships and scoured websites for potential opportunities.

“I was positive about my job prospects but I found the experience of going to the Jobcentre completely demoralising,” she said.

She said her advisor showed little interest, adding:"I received little encouragement, help or guidance.”

Miss Newton, who has written about her experience on her blog, thesacredinch.wordpress.com, said the final straw came when she was told her Looking for Work form was not good enough.

“This was in a fortnight when I received responses from seven job applications and travelled to London three times for interviews,” she said.

“It’s like all they care about is how the form looks rather than what is written inside.”

The DWP spokesperson said: "Every day Jobcentre Plus advisors across the country successfully help people move off benefits and into work.

"Advisors are focused on making sure people get all the help and support they need.

"There is a complaints system in place if jobseekers are unhappy with the service provided."

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8:44am Sat 7 Dec 13

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

This is the norm im afraid. Most of the people who work in the job centers are power mad little hitlers. The irony is that they are lazy work shy skiving toe rags as well. I know!
This is the norm im afraid. Most of the people who work in the job centers are power mad little hitlers. The irony is that they are lazy work shy skiving toe rags as well. I know! thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth

8:56am Sat 7 Dec 13

Snilly says...

This attitude hasn't changed in thirty years I'm afraid.

The people in the Job centres hate the work they do and hate the people they have to deal with.

You will always be treated as second class citizens in a Jobcentre.
This attitude hasn't changed in thirty years I'm afraid. The people in the Job centres hate the work they do and hate the people they have to deal with. You will always be treated as second class citizens in a Jobcentre. Snilly

10:00am Sat 7 Dec 13

renot says...

My experience of the job centre is horrendous.

They treat people like muck off their shoe and have total unrealistic ideas of work placement. The amount of times they would tell me to apply for jobs that were totally out of my qualification zone was borderline insane. Don;t get me wrong, I would have loved a job that paid £30,000 a year but the company would have just dismissed my application based on my academic qualifications.

Total waste of time
My experience of the job centre is horrendous. They treat people like muck off their shoe and have total unrealistic ideas of work placement. The amount of times they would tell me to apply for jobs that were totally out of my qualification zone was borderline insane. Don;t get me wrong, I would have loved a job that paid £30,000 a year but the company would have just dismissed my application based on my academic qualifications. Total waste of time renot

10:47am Sat 7 Dec 13

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner.

If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity.

Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.
To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner. If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity. Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them. OldBiddyFrom Barney

11:17am Sat 7 Dec 13

stone-rose says...

I know a few from Bish who go on the lash in Wetherspoons at din dins . Lets face it {they are the lowest paid white collar workers} some nice and some who are Prima Donna jobsworths who
don their attire well with an air of self righteousness with their tongue tarnished with their peers poo.But they do put up with a lot of crap with under age mums whose opened her legs for a house .
I know a few from Bish who go on the lash in Wetherspoons at din dins . Lets face it {they are the lowest paid white collar workers} some nice and some who are Prima Donna jobsworths who don their attire well with an air of self righteousness with their tongue tarnished with their peers poo.But they do put up with a lot of crap with under age mums whose opened her legs for a house . stone-rose

11:18am Sat 7 Dec 13

Jonn says...

OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner.

If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity.

Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.
When was the last time you looked for a job? Obviously are long time ago.
Times have changed, you can't just ring around and walk in off the street asking for a job, employers don't entertain that anymore unless it's the 'cash in hand' variety. Seriously, they think you are mental if you just turn up.
The Job Centre are no longer interested in finding you a job, they just tick boxes and are looking to sanction you to meet targets. Over 1 million sanctions in the last year proves that.
[quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner. If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity. Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you looked for a job? Obviously are long time ago. Times have changed, you can't just ring around and walk in off the street asking for a job, employers don't entertain that anymore unless it's the 'cash in hand' variety. Seriously, they think you are mental if you just turn up. The Job Centre are no longer interested in finding you a job, they just tick boxes and are looking to sanction you to meet targets. Over 1 million sanctions in the last year proves that. Jonn

11:48am Sat 7 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Jonn wrote:
OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner.

If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity.

Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.
When was the last time you looked for a job? Obviously are long time ago.
Times have changed, you can't just ring around and walk in off the street asking for a job, employers don't entertain that anymore unless it's the 'cash in hand' variety. Seriously, they think you are mental if you just turn up.
The Job Centre are no longer interested in finding you a job, they just tick boxes and are looking to sanction you to meet targets. Over 1 million sanctions in the last year proves that.
Sorry Jonn but I think you are probably wrong about calling around and visiting the types of businesses OldBiddy refers to. These are type of companies that won't always advertise with the JobCentre. A quick polite phone call or walk in to ask for an application form would do no harm and may reap rewards.

Perhaps JobCentre aren't clambering to find someone a job, but that is the responsibility of the claimant isn't it??
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner. If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity. Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you looked for a job? Obviously are long time ago. Times have changed, you can't just ring around and walk in off the street asking for a job, employers don't entertain that anymore unless it's the 'cash in hand' variety. Seriously, they think you are mental if you just turn up. The Job Centre are no longer interested in finding you a job, they just tick boxes and are looking to sanction you to meet targets. Over 1 million sanctions in the last year proves that.[/p][/quote]Sorry Jonn but I think you are probably wrong about calling around and visiting the types of businesses OldBiddy refers to. These are type of companies that won't always advertise with the JobCentre. A quick polite phone call or walk in to ask for an application form would do no harm and may reap rewards. Perhaps JobCentre aren't clambering to find someone a job, but that is the responsibility of the claimant isn't it?? Taxpaying Homeowner

12:09pm Sat 7 Dec 13

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

John

No I haven't looked for work lately because not only do I have a permanant part time jobs I am regularly asked if I can do work for people. Why because I have over the years built up a reputation for being a good honest worker and have network of people who are prepared to 'speak' for me.

Don't buy into the myth that you can go to Uni create a good CV and jobs will come to you. The reason none of the young ones in my family are unemployed is that they get out there and do the work avaliable. Life is hard for most people nowadays but here is no point whinging get of your bum and get out there.

My nephews will have money in their pockets tonight because they are spending the day emptying slurry tanks with their Father oh the glamour of it all.
John No I haven't looked for work lately because not only do I have a permanant part time jobs I am regularly asked if I can do work for people. Why because I have over the years built up a reputation for being a good honest worker and have network of people who are prepared to 'speak' for me. Don't buy into the myth that you can go to Uni create a good CV and jobs will come to you. The reason none of the young ones in my family are unemployed is that they get out there and do the work avaliable. Life is hard for most people nowadays but here is no point whinging get of your bum and get out there. My nephews will have money in their pockets tonight because they are spending the day emptying slurry tanks with their Father oh the glamour of it all. OldBiddyFrom Barney

12:22pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Snilly says...

OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
John

No I haven't looked for work lately because not only do I have a permanant part time jobs I am regularly asked if I can do work for people. Why because I have over the years built up a reputation for being a good honest worker and have network of people who are prepared to 'speak' for me.

Don't buy into the myth that you can go to Uni create a good CV and jobs will come to you. The reason none of the young ones in my family are unemployed is that they get out there and do the work avaliable. Life is hard for most people nowadays but here is no point whinging get of your bum and get out there.

My nephews will have money in their pockets tonight because they are spending the day emptying slurry tanks with their Father oh the glamour of it all.
Good for your nephews but what has that got to do with this thread. Jobcentre staff NOT DOING THEIR JOB!
[quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: John No I haven't looked for work lately because not only do I have a permanant part time jobs I am regularly asked if I can do work for people. Why because I have over the years built up a reputation for being a good honest worker and have network of people who are prepared to 'speak' for me. Don't buy into the myth that you can go to Uni create a good CV and jobs will come to you. The reason none of the young ones in my family are unemployed is that they get out there and do the work avaliable. Life is hard for most people nowadays but here is no point whinging get of your bum and get out there. My nephews will have money in their pockets tonight because they are spending the day emptying slurry tanks with their Father oh the glamour of it all.[/p][/quote]Good for your nephews but what has that got to do with this thread. Jobcentre staff NOT DOING THEIR JOB! Snilly

12:52pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Jonn wrote:
OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner.

If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity.

Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.
When was the last time you looked for a job? Obviously are long time ago.
Times have changed, you can't just ring around and walk in off the street asking for a job, employers don't entertain that anymore unless it's the 'cash in hand' variety. Seriously, they think you are mental if you just turn up.
The Job Centre are no longer interested in finding you a job, they just tick boxes and are looking to sanction you to meet targets. Over 1 million sanctions in the last year proves that.
Sorry Jonn but I think you are probably wrong about calling around and visiting the types of businesses OldBiddy refers to. These are type of companies that won't always advertise with the JobCentre. A quick polite phone call or walk in to ask for an application form would do no harm and may reap rewards.

Perhaps JobCentre aren't clambering to find someone a job, but that is the responsibility of the claimant isn't it??
I don't think I am wrong. There are very few jobs as it is so employers can have the pick of the bunch, they don't just take people off the street anymore and they don't wait around for someone to just ring up or walk through the door one day. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work like that anymore.
Perhaps the Job Centre should change it's name if it's not their responsibilty. Perhaps people should stop paying into the system if the Job Centre are not doing the job it claims to provide. Perhaps people who find themselves unemployed should not claim JSA and starve until they find another job.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner. If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity. Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you looked for a job? Obviously are long time ago. Times have changed, you can't just ring around and walk in off the street asking for a job, employers don't entertain that anymore unless it's the 'cash in hand' variety. Seriously, they think you are mental if you just turn up. The Job Centre are no longer interested in finding you a job, they just tick boxes and are looking to sanction you to meet targets. Over 1 million sanctions in the last year proves that.[/p][/quote]Sorry Jonn but I think you are probably wrong about calling around and visiting the types of businesses OldBiddy refers to. These are type of companies that won't always advertise with the JobCentre. A quick polite phone call or walk in to ask for an application form would do no harm and may reap rewards. Perhaps JobCentre aren't clambering to find someone a job, but that is the responsibility of the claimant isn't it??[/p][/quote]I don't think I am wrong. There are very few jobs as it is so employers can have the pick of the bunch, they don't just take people off the street anymore and they don't wait around for someone to just ring up or walk through the door one day. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work like that anymore. Perhaps the Job Centre should change it's name if it's not their responsibilty. Perhaps people should stop paying into the system if the Job Centre are not doing the job it claims to provide. Perhaps people who find themselves unemployed should not claim JSA and starve until they find another job. Jonn

12:56pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Snilly says...

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

My nephews will have money in their pockets tonight because they are spending the day emptying slurry tanks with their Father oh the glamour of it all.


NOT Cash in hand is it?
OldBiddyFrom Barney says... My nephews will have money in their pockets tonight because they are spending the day emptying slurry tanks with their Father oh the glamour of it all. NOT Cash in hand is it? Snilly

1:41pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Nomatterwhat says...

Writing something down on their form does not prove anything. Just because they read it doesn't make it true. You just have to keep them happy by writing down all the imaginary phone calls and letters.
Writing something down on their form does not prove anything. Just because they read it doesn't make it true. You just have to keep them happy by writing down all the imaginary phone calls and letters. Nomatterwhat

1:42pm Sat 7 Dec 13

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

The Job Center staff are part of a system which will keep you on your knees if you let it you are not babies who need to be bottle fed if you seriously think the 'government' or the 'system' works for your benefit you are deluded. There is no point going on about fair or unfair because the sooner you realise the world ain't fair the better.

I stand by my comments you have to stop being passive and get out there shy bairns get nowt.

All the best to you all.
The Job Center staff are part of a system which will keep you on your knees if you let it you are not babies who need to be bottle fed if you seriously think the 'government' or the 'system' works for your benefit you are deluded. There is no point going on about fair or unfair because the sooner you realise the world ain't fair the better. I stand by my comments you have to stop being passive and get out there shy bairns get nowt. All the best to you all. OldBiddyFrom Barney

3:06pm Sat 7 Dec 13

cromwell1599 says...

Horrible places, when I was out of work several years ago, after being told that it was unlikely that I would qualify for jobseekers allowance ( which proved to be correct after being kept waiting six weeks), I was informed by one of these "advisors" that I "would be better off if i'd not worked a day in my life", just what you want to hear when you're at a low ebb and sitting there surrounded by some of these people who've "never worked a day in their lives".
Horrible places, when I was out of work several years ago, after being told that it was unlikely that I would qualify for jobseekers allowance ( which proved to be correct after being kept waiting six weeks), I was informed by one of these "advisors" that I "would be better off if i'd not worked a day in my life", just what you want to hear when you're at a low ebb and sitting there surrounded by some of these people who've "never worked a day in their lives". cromwell1599

5:11pm Sat 7 Dec 13

sablepoot1967 says...

They had my daughter in tears once, they were horrible to her, (Durham Job Centre) even though they knew she suffered from anxiety and panic disorder! So pleased she's got a job now, with NO help what so ever off them!
Though my experience was good a few years ago, I got a very nice advisor. :-)
They had my daughter in tears once, they were horrible to her, (Durham Job Centre) even though they knew she suffered from anxiety and panic disorder! So pleased she's got a job now, with NO help what so ever off them! Though my experience was good a few years ago, I got a very nice advisor. :-) sablepoot1967

5:11pm Sat 7 Dec 13

echoreader43 says...

What about those of us who are disabled and have been passed fit for work? Those of us who are UNABLE to walk around all these employers and ask for work? What do you suggest for us??

I'm sorry, but I agree with most comments on here, the majority of jobcentre plus staff are now looking to impose sanctions, not help in the search for work. All too often, I'm hearing of people having their benefit stopped because they haven't applied for a job they're clearly not qualified for/don't have the necessary equipment for. Where's the fairness in THAT?

Unless you've been in our situation, please don't dictate! Yes, there are some who abuse the system and don't WANT to work, but don't make unemployment the fault of ALL the unemployed, it simply isn't the case.

I can't find anyone who'll take me on with spinal injuries over someone else who's fit and able bodied. I can barely walk most days, where does that leave me in the job market!? JCP staff are arrogant and nasty, nothing more, nothing less!
What about those of us who are disabled and have been passed fit for work? Those of us who are UNABLE to walk around all these employers and ask for work? What do you suggest for us?? I'm sorry, but I agree with most comments on here, the majority of jobcentre plus staff are now looking to impose sanctions, not help in the search for work. All too often, I'm hearing of people having their benefit stopped because they haven't applied for a job they're clearly not qualified for/don't have the necessary equipment for. Where's the fairness in THAT? Unless you've been in our situation, please don't dictate! Yes, there are some who abuse the system and don't WANT to work, but don't make unemployment the fault of ALL the unemployed, it simply isn't the case. I can't find anyone who'll take me on with spinal injuries over someone else who's fit and able bodied. I can barely walk most days, where does that leave me in the job market!? JCP staff are arrogant and nasty, nothing more, nothing less! echoreader43

5:44pm Sat 7 Dec 13

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

echoreader 43

You shouldn't be signing on you should be on disability benefit.

I am not saying to the fit unemployed to look round for work yourself to be horrid but because the JCs are everything people say they are. It is much better to try and get something going for yourself than rely on a system that is collapsing.
echoreader 43 You shouldn't be signing on you should be on disability benefit. I am not saying to the fit unemployed to look round for work yourself to be horrid but because the JCs are everything people say they are. It is much better to try and get something going for yourself than rely on a system that is collapsing. OldBiddyFrom Barney

5:55pm Sat 7 Dec 13

echoreader43 says...

OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
echoreader 43

You shouldn't be signing on you should be on disability benefit.

I am not saying to the fit unemployed to look round for work yourself to be horrid but because the JCs are everything people say they are. It is much better to try and get something going for yourself than rely on a system that is collapsing.
I KNOW I shouldn't be signing on, but the powers that be at the DWP deemed that I SHOULD be, in amongst their lovely recent changes to benefit. I appealed their decision, and LOST. Yet I continue to receive DLA. But I can't get ESA. Work THAT one out in your ideal world. Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but some of us aren't in the position to find something by wandering the streets and asking. This particular young lady WAS looking for work, she said she's had interviews. She can't be derided for not doing enough?? How do you know lots of unemployed AREN'T pounding the streets looking for work, you're assuming we all sit on our backsides and drink coffee all day?
[quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: echoreader 43 You shouldn't be signing on you should be on disability benefit. I am not saying to the fit unemployed to look round for work yourself to be horrid but because the JCs are everything people say they are. It is much better to try and get something going for yourself than rely on a system that is collapsing.[/p][/quote]I KNOW I shouldn't be signing on, but the powers that be at the DWP deemed that I SHOULD be, in amongst their lovely recent changes to benefit. I appealed their decision, and LOST. Yet I continue to receive DLA. But I can't get ESA. Work THAT one out in your ideal world. Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but some of us aren't in the position to find something by wandering the streets and asking. This particular young lady WAS looking for work, she said she's had interviews. She can't be derided for not doing enough?? How do you know lots of unemployed AREN'T pounding the streets looking for work, you're assuming we all sit on our backsides and drink coffee all day? echoreader43

6:16pm Sat 7 Dec 13

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

Echoreader 43

Cool yer jets. I am not deriding anyone I agreeing that the JobCenters are rubbish and I am telling you all how the younger members of my family find work. I never said wander the streets I said look for work where work is.

I am very sorry you are having a rotten time and hope you manage to get back on to the benefits you should be on.
Echoreader 43 Cool yer jets. I am not deriding anyone I agreeing that the JobCenters are rubbish and I am telling you all how the younger members of my family find work. I never said wander the streets I said look for work where work is. I am very sorry you are having a rotten time and hope you manage to get back on to the benefits you should be on. OldBiddyFrom Barney

6:21pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Jonn says...

echoreader43 wrote:
OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
echoreader 43

You shouldn't be signing on you should be on disability benefit.

I am not saying to the fit unemployed to look round for work yourself to be horrid but because the JCs are everything people say they are. It is much better to try and get something going for yourself than rely on a system that is collapsing.
I KNOW I shouldn't be signing on, but the powers that be at the DWP deemed that I SHOULD be, in amongst their lovely recent changes to benefit. I appealed their decision, and LOST. Yet I continue to receive DLA. But I can't get ESA. Work THAT one out in your ideal world. Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but some of us aren't in the position to find something by wandering the streets and asking. This particular young lady WAS looking for work, she said she's had interviews. She can't be derided for not doing enough?? How do you know lots of unemployed AREN'T pounding the streets looking for work, you're assuming we all sit on our backsides and drink coffee all day?
I know exactly what you have been through and you have my upmost sympathy. The ATOS fit for work assessments are rigged to fail almost everyone and the fact that 40% who appeal against them and win at a legal tribunal is proof the assessments are corrupt.
The reason why people assume unemployed people are sitting on their backsides is because this Government and the right wing press have undertaken a propaganda campaign based on lies and mis using statistics to demonise benefit claimants because they are planning to end the welfare system.
Iain Duncan Smith, the main liar and instigator of this demonisation shall be appearing live on TV before a Parliamentary Select Comittee on Monday to answer for his misuse of statistics. Get the poopcorn out and watch it, seeing this liar squirm should make interesting viewing.
[quote][p][bold]echoreader43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: echoreader 43 You shouldn't be signing on you should be on disability benefit. I am not saying to the fit unemployed to look round for work yourself to be horrid but because the JCs are everything people say they are. It is much better to try and get something going for yourself than rely on a system that is collapsing.[/p][/quote]I KNOW I shouldn't be signing on, but the powers that be at the DWP deemed that I SHOULD be, in amongst their lovely recent changes to benefit. I appealed their decision, and LOST. Yet I continue to receive DLA. But I can't get ESA. Work THAT one out in your ideal world. Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but some of us aren't in the position to find something by wandering the streets and asking. This particular young lady WAS looking for work, she said she's had interviews. She can't be derided for not doing enough?? How do you know lots of unemployed AREN'T pounding the streets looking for work, you're assuming we all sit on our backsides and drink coffee all day?[/p][/quote]I know exactly what you have been through and you have my upmost sympathy. The ATOS fit for work assessments are rigged to fail almost everyone and the fact that 40% who appeal against them and win at a legal tribunal is proof the assessments are corrupt. The reason why people assume unemployed people are sitting on their backsides is because this Government and the right wing press have undertaken a propaganda campaign based on lies and mis using statistics to demonise benefit claimants because they are planning to end the welfare system. Iain Duncan Smith, the main liar and instigator of this demonisation shall be appearing live on TV before a Parliamentary Select Comittee on Monday to answer for his misuse of statistics. Get the poopcorn out and watch it, seeing this liar squirm should make interesting viewing. Jonn

6:56pm Sat 7 Dec 13

echoreader43 says...

OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
Echoreader 43

Cool yer jets. I am not deriding anyone I agreeing that the JobCenters are rubbish and I am telling you all how the younger members of my family find work. I never said wander the streets I said look for work where work is.

I am very sorry you are having a rotten time and hope you manage to get back on to the benefits you should be on.
I don't mean to come across snotty, I'm not getting agitated, I'm just saying that your idea of look for work where work is isn't practical for everyone. I see your comments on JCP staff, you're saying they're all out for blood, I agree! They won't stop until they've driven most of us into the ground. I haven't been able to get out of bed for 3 days, leave alone walk around employers in my area.
[quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: Echoreader 43 Cool yer jets. I am not deriding anyone I agreeing that the JobCenters are rubbish and I am telling you all how the younger members of my family find work. I never said wander the streets I said look for work where work is. I am very sorry you are having a rotten time and hope you manage to get back on to the benefits you should be on.[/p][/quote]I don't mean to come across snotty, I'm not getting agitated, I'm just saying that your idea of look for work where work is isn't practical for everyone. I see your comments on JCP staff, you're saying they're all out for blood, I agree! They won't stop until they've driven most of us into the ground. I haven't been able to get out of bed for 3 days, leave alone walk around employers in my area. echoreader43

7:32pm Sat 7 Dec 13

MAW50N says...

It appears nothing has changed in the past 20 years. If you want a job they are not interested
It appears nothing has changed in the past 20 years. If you want a job they are not interested MAW50N

8:54am Sun 8 Dec 13

Jonn says...

60 year old war veteran had his JSA sanctioned for a month because he told the Job Centre he had been collecting for the Poppy appeal outside Asda.
This is the new face of Job Centre Plus, sanctions at all costs! Disgusting Government.
60 year old war veteran had his JSA sanctioned for a month because he told the Job Centre he had been collecting for the Poppy appeal outside Asda. This is the new face of Job Centre Plus, sanctions at all costs! Disgusting Government. Jonn

9:19am Sun 8 Dec 13

Copley23 says...

I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were.

I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training..........

Needless to say , I didn't get work through them.

What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t
he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative.

Good luck with your job search Grace.
I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were. I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training.......... Needless to say , I didn't get work through them. What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative. Good luck with your job search Grace. Copley23

11:00am Sun 8 Dec 13

darloboss says...

Ihave been able to keep 12 in employment through the skin of my teeth for the last couple of years not one of them came through the job centres
Ihave been able to keep 12 in employment through the skin of my teeth for the last couple of years not one of them came through the job centres darloboss

12:16pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Copley23 wrote:
I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were.

I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training..........

Needless to say , I didn't get work through them.

What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t

he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative.

Good luck with your job search Grace.
So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were. I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training.......... Needless to say , I didn't get work through them. What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative. Good luck with your job search Grace.[/p][/quote]So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them? Jonn

1:37pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Copley23 says...

Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were.

I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training..........

Needless to say , I didn't get work through them.

What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t


he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative.

Good luck with your job search Grace.
So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?
No, we keep their CV's (with their permission) on file until we have a vacancy. Then we invite them to come in should they still wish too.

The CV's are roughly categorised against job specifications and filed accordingly. Again, with the applicants permission.

Works for us.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were. I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training.......... Needless to say , I didn't get work through them. What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative. Good luck with your job search Grace.[/p][/quote]So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?[/p][/quote]No, we keep their CV's (with their permission) on file until we have a vacancy. Then we invite them to come in should they still wish too. The CV's are roughly categorised against job specifications and filed accordingly. Again, with the applicants permission. Works for us. Copley23

1:41pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were.

I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training..........

Needless to say , I didn't get work through them.

What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t


he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative.

Good luck with your job search Grace.
So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?
When did he say he doesn't advertise at all??

I'm guessing that he uses other agencies and sites such as Reed or Monster. These are used by all people that are actively searching for work, people using Jobcentre only are probably limiting themselves.

Three people have now suggested getting out and visit some employers, yet you still dismiss the idea. I know from experience as an employer that these arethe people that get remembered and contacted when suitable jobs come up, not someone that has been pushed over by the Jobcentre.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were. I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training.......... Needless to say , I didn't get work through them. What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative. Good luck with your job search Grace.[/p][/quote]So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?[/p][/quote]When did he say he doesn't advertise at all?? I'm guessing that he uses other agencies and sites such as Reed or Monster. These are used by all people that are actively searching for work, people using Jobcentre only are probably limiting themselves. Three people have now suggested getting out and visit some employers, yet you still dismiss the idea. I know from experience as an employer that these arethe people that get remembered and contacted when suitable jobs come up, not someone that has been pushed over by the Jobcentre. Taxpaying Homeowner

2:26pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Copley23 says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were.

I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training..........

Needless to say , I didn't get work through them.

What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t



he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative.

Good luck with your job search Grace.
So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?
When did he say he doesn't advertise at all??

I'm guessing that he uses other agencies and sites such as Reed or Monster. These are used by all people that are actively searching for work, people using Jobcentre only are probably limiting themselves.

Three people have now suggested getting out and visit some employers, yet you still dismiss the idea. I know from experience as an employer that these arethe people that get remembered and contacted when suitable jobs come up, not someone that has been pushed over by the Jobcentre.
Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were. I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training.......... Needless to say , I didn't get work through them. What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative. Good luck with your job search Grace.[/p][/quote]So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?[/p][/quote]When did he say he doesn't advertise at all?? I'm guessing that he uses other agencies and sites such as Reed or Monster. These are used by all people that are actively searching for work, people using Jobcentre only are probably limiting themselves. Three people have now suggested getting out and visit some employers, yet you still dismiss the idea. I know from experience as an employer that these arethe people that get remembered and contacted when suitable jobs come up, not someone that has been pushed over by the Jobcentre.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Copley23

3:10pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Manu85 says...

I had the misfortune of having to claim job seekers allowance for 12 weeks. I had previously worked for 12 years holding a full time and part time job. I in the last few months of study at University I decided to quit my part time job to concentrate on my dissertation. Oh, and I made sure my degree was vocational degree and that it would lead to a job. Choosing not just to go and get drunk.

Not only did it take four weeks to process my claim, when I did meet with lady and explained my circumstance. I was advised that I didn't have to complete job search diary for at least 12 weeks. Luckily after my first time of signing I got the news I had been successful in gaining employment. I advised the advisor on my next visit, who was not the same person I had spoken to the fortnight before. They advised that I would need to continue to sign on until I had a start day. He then advised that I would need to continue to look for work, which I advised I have a job and all professional jobs require checks. He advised he understood and to make it up.

Each time I went I was treated like dirt made to wait 30 minutes each time to be seen, even though I was advised if I was late that I would not be allowed to sign. When I did get seen they were disorganised and often there would be queues and advisors all sat talking to one and other. They looked you up and down like muck. I was advised they would do searches with me this never once happened, even I was told to continue with my search.

I believe they do not want to help as it will eventual see them out of a job if most were to get jobs. I think they most definitely need some redundancies in there as there appears to be more workers sat around chatting to colleagues than there does job seekers most of the time.
I had the misfortune of having to claim job seekers allowance for 12 weeks. I had previously worked for 12 years holding a full time and part time job. I in the last few months of study at University I decided to quit my part time job to concentrate on my dissertation. Oh, and I made sure my degree was vocational degree and that it would lead to a job. Choosing not just to go and get drunk. Not only did it take four weeks to process my claim, when I did meet with lady and explained my circumstance. I was advised that I didn't have to complete job search diary for at least 12 weeks. Luckily after my first time of signing I got the news I had been successful in gaining employment. I advised the advisor on my next visit, who was not the same person I had spoken to the fortnight before. They advised that I would need to continue to sign on until I had a start day. He then advised that I would need to continue to look for work, which I advised I have a job and all professional jobs require checks. He advised he understood and to make it up. Each time I went I was treated like dirt made to wait 30 minutes each time to be seen, even though I was advised if I was late that I would not be allowed to sign. When I did get seen they were disorganised and often there would be queues and advisors all sat talking to one and other. They looked you up and down like muck. I was advised they would do searches with me this never once happened, even I was told to continue with my search. I believe they do not want to help as it will eventual see them out of a job if most were to get jobs. I think they most definitely need some redundancies in there as there appears to be more workers sat around chatting to colleagues than there does job seekers most of the time. Manu85

4:07pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Joanne2410 says...

I went to my local job centre after completing an NVQ in 2006 with no job at the end but because I hadn't paid enough national insurance I couldn't claim! Previous to doing my NVQ I was in full time education since leaving school so I could earn my own money. I never expected to finish my NVQ on the Wednesday n be chucked out on the Friday from where I completed which was local government! I had a house what was I supposed to do? I went to every agency n took every job I could and did that for over 2 yrs until I finally managed to get a permanent job- which meant a pay cut and I'm still to this day 4 yrs on not on the same money yet I own my own home, still have a car and all the expenses to go with them! I don't agree with how job centres treat people but if you really need to work and want to work, any job and I mean any job to not be classed as being on benefits is better! I've done some **** jobs quite literally for a living until I could get a job I wanted. It's true, it's easier to get a job if ur in one n believe me any job is better than no job! So much more self worth.
I went to my local job centre after completing an NVQ in 2006 with no job at the end but because I hadn't paid enough national insurance I couldn't claim! Previous to doing my NVQ I was in full time education since leaving school so I could earn my own money. I never expected to finish my NVQ on the Wednesday n be chucked out on the Friday from where I completed which was local government! I had a house what was I supposed to do? I went to every agency n took every job I could and did that for over 2 yrs until I finally managed to get a permanent job- which meant a pay cut and I'm still to this day 4 yrs on not on the same money yet I own my own home, still have a car and all the expenses to go with them! I don't agree with how job centres treat people but if you really need to work and want to work, any job and I mean any job to not be classed as being on benefits is better! I've done some **** jobs quite literally for a living until I could get a job I wanted. It's true, it's easier to get a job if ur in one n believe me any job is better than no job! So much more self worth. Joanne2410

7:01pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Jonn says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were.

I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training..........

Needless to say , I didn't get work through them.

What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t



he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative.

Good luck with your job search Grace.
So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?
When did he say he doesn't advertise at all??

I'm guessing that he uses other agencies and sites such as Reed or Monster. These are used by all people that are actively searching for work, people using Jobcentre only are probably limiting themselves.

Three people have now suggested getting out and visit some employers, yet you still dismiss the idea. I know from experience as an employer that these arethe people that get remembered and contacted when suitable jobs come up, not someone that has been pushed over by the Jobcentre.
I am not dismissing handing out CV's in person but I'd hardly call it showing initiative as copely23 suggests, anyone can do that. I just don't think people should be labelled lazy if they are not seen wandering the streets handing out CV's allday. There are alternatives but many prospective employers seem only to deal through the impersonable practice of emails nowadays.
I am in no way defending the Job Centre, I know they are useless but their practices are increasingly worrying and at a massive cost. Getting people to apply for totally unsuitable jobs just to meet targets is wasting everyones time.
The new Universal Credit, which has already cost hundreds of millions is going to make matters worse for all as Job Seekers will be tied to the Governments useless job website for so many hours a day and their activity monitored when they could be using better alternatives.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: I walked in the Bishop Office to sign on some years ago - between jobs - - they sat up and took notice when they realised I was better placed to do their jobs than they were. I'd done years in Revs & Bens and had both finance and welfare training.......... Needless to say , I didn't get work through them. What I can say though, as an employer now, is that the Job Centre is the LAST place I would come looking for new employees. They send folk that are completely unsuitable, unqualified and uninterested.......t he ones that wander in off the street - off their own backs - they are the ones to look out for. They show initiative. Good luck with your job search Grace.[/p][/quote]So when you have a job vacancy open, you don't advertise it at all then, anywhere? Do you just wait for the first person who walks through the door and give it to them?[/p][/quote]When did he say he doesn't advertise at all?? I'm guessing that he uses other agencies and sites such as Reed or Monster. These are used by all people that are actively searching for work, people using Jobcentre only are probably limiting themselves. Three people have now suggested getting out and visit some employers, yet you still dismiss the idea. I know from experience as an employer that these arethe people that get remembered and contacted when suitable jobs come up, not someone that has been pushed over by the Jobcentre.[/p][/quote]I am not dismissing handing out CV's in person but I'd hardly call it showing initiative as copely23 suggests, anyone can do that. I just don't think people should be labelled lazy if they are not seen wandering the streets handing out CV's allday. There are alternatives but many prospective employers seem only to deal through the impersonable practice of emails nowadays. I am in no way defending the Job Centre, I know they are useless but their practices are increasingly worrying and at a massive cost. Getting people to apply for totally unsuitable jobs just to meet targets is wasting everyones time. The new Universal Credit, which has already cost hundreds of millions is going to make matters worse for all as Job Seekers will be tied to the Governments useless job website for so many hours a day and their activity monitored when they could be using better alternatives. Jonn

8:02pm Sun 8 Dec 13

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

Jonn
You can tie yourself in knots but here is the reality of life in the North East 2013, there are very few if any jobs out there that anyone wants to do, By that I mean exciting interesting well paid career enhancing jobs. The Tories don't want a strong powerful North East (there is a reason why only 2 people from the North were on that trip to China) the whole area has been starved of investment for years.

So you have three choices stay a statistic not a man, move down South and take your chance among strangers or make your own luck down here.

Good Luck whatever you decide
Jonn You can tie yourself in knots but here is the reality of life in the North East 2013, there are very few if any jobs out there that anyone wants to do, By that I mean exciting interesting well paid career enhancing jobs. The Tories don't want a strong powerful North East (there is a reason why only 2 people from the North were on that trip to China) the whole area has been starved of investment for years. So you have three choices stay a statistic not a man, move down South and take your chance among strangers or make your own luck down here. Good Luck whatever you decide OldBiddyFrom Barney

7:08am Mon 9 Dec 13

ainemac says...

OldBiddyFrom Barney wrote:
To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner.

If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity.

Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.
And who's to say she isn't doing all of that?

This isn't about her attempts to find a job, it's about the fact that the Jobcentre staff aren't doing theirs. She's not 'playing silly beggars' with them, she's bringing public attention to the fact that this member of staff is not doing the job they are being paid to do. And good for her.

And when I was looking for work a couple of years ago, I did the rounds as you suggested, asked in all the shops and offices. They just tell you to drop off your CV and that they'll 'keep your details on record'. Not once have I heard back from an employer I contacted on a spec basis.

If it's just money in your pocket you want, you're best off going to an agency, if you don't mind the insecurity of not having a permanent job.
[quote][p][bold]OldBiddyFrom Barney[/bold] wrote: To the young lady in the article If you need work go where your most likely to get it, ring every hotel, pub and B&B in your area, no luck there ask at all the local takeaways. Still no luck ask your older relatives and the neighbours if they know anyone who needs a cleaner. If you can't drum up £71.00 the same as your dole money I will be very surprised. No it won't be the career path you would like and no you won't be able to live it up but you will keep your pride and dignity. Job Centres make you feel 'the beggar at the gate' they will drag you down, in fact they have dragged you down that is why you are playing silly beggars with them.[/p][/quote]And who's to say she isn't doing all of that? This isn't about her attempts to find a job, it's about the fact that the Jobcentre staff aren't doing theirs. She's not 'playing silly beggars' with them, she's bringing public attention to the fact that this member of staff is not doing the job they are being paid to do. And good for her. And when I was looking for work a couple of years ago, I did the rounds as you suggested, asked in all the shops and offices. They just tell you to drop off your CV and that they'll 'keep your details on record'. Not once have I heard back from an employer I contacted on a spec basis. If it's just money in your pocket you want, you're best off going to an agency, if you don't mind the insecurity of not having a permanent job. ainemac

3:47pm Mon 9 Dec 13

echoreader43 says...

Well if you as an employer watch out for those wandering in off the streets, that leaves people like me with no chance whatsoever then, since I can't wander in off the street, being barely able to walk. I HAVE to do my search online and over the phone, and send speculative CVs as I CAN'T walk the streets. So I guess I'm already on a back foot then as regards being employed? Will someone kindly tell this to the DWP then, so that I can be put on the right benefits??
Well if you as an employer watch out for those wandering in off the streets, that leaves people like me with no chance whatsoever then, since I can't wander in off the street, being barely able to walk. I HAVE to do my search online and over the phone, and send speculative CVs as I CAN'T walk the streets. So I guess I'm already on a back foot then as regards being employed? Will someone kindly tell this to the DWP then, so that I can be put on the right benefits?? echoreader43

3:49pm Mon 9 Dec 13

echoreader43 says...

Joanne2410 wrote:
I went to my local job centre after completing an NVQ in 2006 with no job at the end but because I hadn't paid enough national insurance I couldn't claim! Previous to doing my NVQ I was in full time education since leaving school so I could earn my own money. I never expected to finish my NVQ on the Wednesday n be chucked out on the Friday from where I completed which was local government! I had a house what was I supposed to do? I went to every agency n took every job I could and did that for over 2 yrs until I finally managed to get a permanent job- which meant a pay cut and I'm still to this day 4 yrs on not on the same money yet I own my own home, still have a car and all the expenses to go with them! I don't agree with how job centres treat people but if you really need to work and want to work, any job and I mean any job to not be classed as being on benefits is better! I've done some **** jobs quite literally for a living until I could get a job I wanted. It's true, it's easier to get a job if ur in one n believe me any job is better than no job! So much more self worth.
That's as may be, but what about those of us who are disabled and they've decided we can find work?? There are LOTS of jobs I'm physically unable to do, so I WON'T do any old job since I'd probably put myself back in hospital again! So there are folks like me stuck between a rock and a hard place. No way to go forward is there??
[quote][p][bold]Joanne2410[/bold] wrote: I went to my local job centre after completing an NVQ in 2006 with no job at the end but because I hadn't paid enough national insurance I couldn't claim! Previous to doing my NVQ I was in full time education since leaving school so I could earn my own money. I never expected to finish my NVQ on the Wednesday n be chucked out on the Friday from where I completed which was local government! I had a house what was I supposed to do? I went to every agency n took every job I could and did that for over 2 yrs until I finally managed to get a permanent job- which meant a pay cut and I'm still to this day 4 yrs on not on the same money yet I own my own home, still have a car and all the expenses to go with them! I don't agree with how job centres treat people but if you really need to work and want to work, any job and I mean any job to not be classed as being on benefits is better! I've done some **** jobs quite literally for a living until I could get a job I wanted. It's true, it's easier to get a job if ur in one n believe me any job is better than no job! So much more self worth.[/p][/quote]That's as may be, but what about those of us who are disabled and they've decided we can find work?? There are LOTS of jobs I'm physically unable to do, so I WON'T do any old job since I'd probably put myself back in hospital again! So there are folks like me stuck between a rock and a hard place. No way to go forward is there?? echoreader43

4:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

maur1 says...

aycliffe job centre staff seem quite helpful,though been in and heard young ones say they slept in for 2 pm appointments. to sign on never been on benefits over 60 still working to pay for the layabouts missed free bus pass and heating allowance, might 1 day get pension and these after working paying tax since 15 , get the scumbags that don't want work road sweeping litter picking ....................
....................
......I dream on
aycliffe job centre staff seem quite helpful,though been in and heard young ones say they slept in for 2 pm appointments. to sign on never been on benefits over 60 still working to pay for the layabouts missed free bus pass and heating allowance, might 1 day get pension and these after working paying tax since 15 , get the scumbags that don't want work road sweeping litter picking .................... .................... ......I dream on maur1

4:39pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Jonn says...

echoreader43 wrote:
Well if you as an employer watch out for those wandering in off the streets, that leaves people like me with no chance whatsoever then, since I can't wander in off the street, being barely able to walk. I HAVE to do my search online and over the phone, and send speculative CVs as I CAN'T walk the streets. So I guess I'm already on a back foot then as regards being employed? Will someone kindly tell this to the DWP then, so that I can be put on the right benefits??
I'm afraid we have too many Tories in this coalition Government. Right wingers despise the welfare state and are using austerity as an excuse to end it. The human and social cost means nothing to them.
[quote][p][bold]echoreader43[/bold] wrote: Well if you as an employer watch out for those wandering in off the streets, that leaves people like me with no chance whatsoever then, since I can't wander in off the street, being barely able to walk. I HAVE to do my search online and over the phone, and send speculative CVs as I CAN'T walk the streets. So I guess I'm already on a back foot then as regards being employed? Will someone kindly tell this to the DWP then, so that I can be put on the right benefits??[/p][/quote]I'm afraid we have too many Tories in this coalition Government. Right wingers despise the welfare state and are using austerity as an excuse to end it. The human and social cost means nothing to them. Jonn

4:59pm Mon 9 Dec 13

echoreader43 says...

Jonn wrote:
echoreader43 wrote:
Well if you as an employer watch out for those wandering in off the streets, that leaves people like me with no chance whatsoever then, since I can't wander in off the street, being barely able to walk. I HAVE to do my search online and over the phone, and send speculative CVs as I CAN'T walk the streets. So I guess I'm already on a back foot then as regards being employed? Will someone kindly tell this to the DWP then, so that I can be put on the right benefits??
I'm afraid we have too many Tories in this coalition Government. Right wingers despise the welfare state and are using austerity as an excuse to end it. The human and social cost means nothing to them.
Amen to that!! Couldn't agree more. I fought my corner and still lost, and now have to trawl for jobs I can't do every fortnight or lose my benefit. Finding an employer who will take me on over able bodied people is proving a joke!
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echoreader43[/bold] wrote: Well if you as an employer watch out for those wandering in off the streets, that leaves people like me with no chance whatsoever then, since I can't wander in off the street, being barely able to walk. I HAVE to do my search online and over the phone, and send speculative CVs as I CAN'T walk the streets. So I guess I'm already on a back foot then as regards being employed? Will someone kindly tell this to the DWP then, so that I can be put on the right benefits??[/p][/quote]I'm afraid we have too many Tories in this coalition Government. Right wingers despise the welfare state and are using austerity as an excuse to end it. The human and social cost means nothing to them.[/p][/quote]Amen to that!! Couldn't agree more. I fought my corner and still lost, and now have to trawl for jobs I can't do every fortnight or lose my benefit. Finding an employer who will take me on over able bodied people is proving a joke! echoreader43

7:57pm Mon 9 Dec 13

victorjames says...

Good for you Grace. Clever, beautiful, with a sense of humour and bags of spirit. You'll do okay. As Arthur Seaton says in the Alan Sillitoe novel "Saturday night and Sunday morning", "don't let the ba*****ds grind you down".
Good for you Grace. Clever, beautiful, with a sense of humour and bags of spirit. You'll do okay. As Arthur Seaton says in the Alan Sillitoe novel "Saturday night and Sunday morning", "don't let the ba*****ds grind you down". victorjames

10:41am Tue 10 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Christmas has been all the year round for decades for some. This what makes me sick with this discriminatory pathetic labourite-leftie mindset created system, many genuine disabled like ECHO READER 34, who have worked all their lives get ****next to nowt, whilst local and national benefit working scroungers for decades have been and are in receipt of over £7O,OOO a year for doing *** NO JOB of work, the average benefit payout for thousands is **** £26,OOO a year again for doing exactly ***Nowt, again NO Job of work. They dont even have to get out of bed............. MAUR 1 is also Spot On, these workshy layabouts should be made to get off their lazy butts, work and ***EARN a living by carrying out litter picking, cleaning up dog feaces and scrubbing and removing 'Criminal shocking filthy dirty obscene grafittie' off walls, railway walls, toilets, and shop shutters that have blighted our Cities and Towns for decades.. Thank God Cameron has given this free minipulated frauduelent benefit riddled system a **hefty kick up the backside.
Christmas has been all the year round for decades for some. This what makes me sick with this discriminatory pathetic labourite-leftie mindset created system, many genuine disabled like ECHO READER 34, who have worked all their lives get ****next to nowt, whilst local and national benefit working scroungers for decades have been and are in receipt of over £7O,OOO a year for doing *** NO JOB of work, the average benefit payout for thousands is **** £26,OOO a year again for doing exactly ***Nowt, again NO Job of work. They dont even have to get out of bed............. MAUR 1 is also Spot On, these workshy layabouts should be made to get off their lazy butts, work and ***EARN a living by carrying out litter picking, cleaning up dog feaces and scrubbing and removing 'Criminal shocking filthy dirty obscene grafittie' off walls, railway walls, toilets, and shop shutters that have blighted our Cities and Towns for decades.. Thank God Cameron has given this free minipulated frauduelent benefit riddled system a **hefty kick up the backside. cushybutterfield

10:52am Tue 10 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

What gets me as to how a minority of these so called JOB SEEKER helpers in these Job Offices actually get these cushy 'Job Centre Positions' in the first place. If they cannot professional y communicate and help people to get a job and some only present as inept artificial ' Cardboard Cut-Outs' .and.... PAID FOR,...... then what in heaven are they ANY USE FOR ?.
What gets me as to how a minority of these so called JOB SEEKER helpers in these Job Offices actually get these cushy 'Job Centre Positions' in the first place. If they cannot professional y communicate and help people to get a job and some only present as inept artificial ' Cardboard Cut-Outs' .and.... PAID FOR,...... then what in heaven are they ANY USE FOR ?. cushybutterfield

4:13pm Tue 10 Dec 13

sineater says...

Cushy, You should get a job laying cobbles,b ecause that's what you talk!!!
Cushy, You should get a job laying cobbles,b ecause that's what you talk!!! sineater

5:48pm Tue 10 Dec 13

DP20 says...

Well I'm going to get my penny's worth in, lost my job after 17 years with a well known mobile company, I had not followed a new procedure and .was dismissed.

In 11 weeks I've registered with every agency in Darlington handed CVs totalling 130, and applied for 172 jobs through these and the job centre.

I've had one interview and I was told I was over qualified wtf is that about, I was also to to dumb down my CV so I could get a warehouse job, I'm not bothered what work I do as long as I can pay bills and eat.

I feel like crap going in there once a fortnight as I have never claimed a thing in my life I hav worked constantly. My advisor is really good and helps where she can.
Well I'm going to get my penny's worth in, lost my job after 17 years with a well known mobile company, I had not followed a new procedure and .was dismissed. In 11 weeks I've registered with every agency in Darlington handed CVs totalling 130, and applied for 172 jobs through these and the job centre. I've had one interview and I was told I was over qualified wtf is that about, I was also to to dumb down my CV so I could get a warehouse job, I'm not bothered what work I do as long as I can pay bills and eat. I feel like crap going in there once a fortnight as I have never claimed a thing in my life I hav worked constantly. My advisor is really good and helps where she can. DP20

6:48pm Tue 10 Dec 13

spragger says...

Is Miss Newton an attention seeker?
Is Miss Newton an attention seeker? spragger

7:18pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Lifetime Townie says...

spragger wrote:
Is Miss Newton an attention seeker?
Having nothing better to do and just taking the mickey out of the system.
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: Is Miss Newton an attention seeker?[/p][/quote]Having nothing better to do and just taking the mickey out of the system. Lifetime Townie

7:19pm Tue 10 Dec 13

sineater says...

No she is drawing attention to poor service at her jobcentre,next question please !
No she is drawing attention to poor service at her jobcentre,next question please ! sineater

7:39pm Tue 10 Dec 13

victorjames says...

sineater wrote:
Cushy, You should get a job laying cobbles,b ecause that's what you talk!!!
sineater I think from the incoherence of his comments that he may be related to railwaygrafter.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Cushy, You should get a job laying cobbles,b ecause that's what you talk!!![/p][/quote]sineater I think from the incoherence of his comments that he may be related to railwaygrafter. victorjames

9:32pm Tue 10 Dec 13

darloboss says...

victorjames its time you retired
victorjames its time you retired darloboss

10:36am Wed 11 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Most comments on this site are a load of pathetic left wing political cobbles in the first place.
Most comments on this site are a load of pathetic left wing political cobbles in the first place. cushybutterfield

11:49am Wed 11 Dec 13

sineater says...

Victor I know these two are one in the same,they must raise them stupid where he comes from !!
Victor I know these two are one in the same,they must raise them stupid where he comes from !! sineater

11:52am Wed 11 Dec 13

sineater says...

Left wing comments are better,than ignorant, raving mad right wing nutters commenting.
Left wing comments are better,than ignorant, raving mad right wing nutters commenting. sineater

8:35pm Wed 11 Dec 13

victorjames says...

darloboss wrote:
victorjames its time you retired
I have and thank god that I'm not having to join the job market at the present time. I have real concerns for young people doing so currently. Perhaps we should put our MPs on zero hours contracts.
[quote][p][bold]darloboss[/bold] wrote: victorjames its time you retired[/p][/quote]I have and thank god that I'm not having to join the job market at the present time. I have real concerns for young people doing so currently. Perhaps we should put our MPs on zero hours contracts. victorjames

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