'Typical' Cameron snub for the North-East as only two of region's business leaders chosen for landmark trip to China

The Northern Echo: SNUB: There was room on the plane for Cameron's family and friends but not the region's business leaders SNUB: There was room on the plane for Cameron's family and friends but not the region's business leaders

DOWNING Street has been accused of delivering an astonishing snub to the region’s business leaders, after they were denied seats on the landmark trade trip to China.

Just two of 131 seats on David Cameron’s plane were allocated to company bosses from the North-East, the official No.10 guest list shows.

In stark contrast, no fewer than 75 of the 131 places were handed to business leaders from London and a further 17 to firms from the Home Counties.

Now The Northern Echo can reveal that the organisers were given the names of seven leading North-East figures – yet none of those were picked to join the prime minister in China.

One was James Ramsbotham, the chief executive of the North-East Chamber of Commerce (NECC), who was originally invited to be part of the trade mission.

Mr Ramsbotham said: “It was about three weeks ago. I was asked if I would like to go and whether I could think of anyone else who would be interested.

“I said I would like to go, that I thought I was a good person to represent the ordinary business community and I gave them a list of six other people. Then I heard no more.

“I think an absolute travesty that there is a trade mission to a country like China and the great businesses of the North-East are not involved.

“But it’s sadly typical. There is a Southern bias, because the people putting together the list are based in the department of business (BIS) and the Foreign Office – and the people they know are in London and the South-East.”

The criticism was echoed by Kevan Jones, the North Durham MP, who said: “China is an important market for the North-East.

“This is another example of the London-centric view of this Government and clearly demonstrates it is not rebalancing the economy away from the South-East.”

No.10 defended the guest list, which was put together by UK Trade and Investment (UKTI), an arm of BIS – and which is based in London.

But a spokeswoman added that the companies chosen for the three-day trip were those with the “potential to showcase the best of British expertise”.

She said: “UKTI consulted with a wide range of organisations including the China-Britain Business Council and the Confederation of British Industry.

“They chose a varied and balanced selection of companies based on their interests in China, their sectoral focus and their potential to showcase the best of British expertise.”

The guest list has already triggered accusations of cronyism after a seat was found for Mr Cameron’s own father–in–law and his wealthy neighbour.

Viscount Astor is the stepfather of Mr Cameron’s wife, Samantha and is representing Silvergate Media, a media rights firm where he is deputy chairman.

Another delegate is lobbyist Lord Chadlington, the prime minister’s neighbour in Oxfordshire and the president of his Witney constituency association.

Also on the trip are one of Mr Cameron’s former policy advisers, who now runs a technology firm, and a City PR chief who joined him on holiday in South Africa in 2008.

The two North-East business leaders who did make it to China are both from Tyne and Wear. Neither was on the list supplied by Mr Ramsbotham.

One is David Dunn, the chief executive of Sunderland Software City, which offers vital support and connections to local digital businesses.

The second is Ross Linnett, of Recite Me, a Gateshead-based firm that developed a web-based cloud system which can be used from any computer with internet access.

Seamus Carr, of North Yorkshire-based Karro Food Group, one representative from West Yorkshire and two from South Yorkshire were also on the plane.

Mr Cameron has already used the trip to announce trade deals worth more than £5bn, including a plan to help small and medium-sized companies seek investors from China.

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11:16am Wed 4 Dec 13

nigel d says...

Is this news to any body, we all know where the region sits in tory thoughts.
Is this news to any body, we all know where the region sits in tory thoughts. nigel d
  • Score: 5

11:35am Wed 4 Dec 13

Snilly says...

"Just say no" when they want your vote next.
"Just say no" when they want your vote next. Snilly
  • Score: 1

12:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).
What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us). David Lacey
  • Score: 24

12:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Grim North says...

Buisiness leaders in the North East should be knocking on doors in China already without cadging a lift off Cameron or at the very least the great and the good (including council leaders and trades unionists) should be getting their heads together to pomote trade with China instead of whinging that they didn't get a ride on the bus.
Buisiness leaders in the North East should be knocking on doors in China already without cadging a lift off Cameron or at the very least the great and the good (including council leaders and trades unionists) should be getting their heads together to pomote trade with China instead of whinging that they didn't get a ride on the bus. The Grim North
  • Score: 32

1:56pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Snilly says...

David Lacey wrote:
What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).
Just what is it you are suggesting then David?

You don’t seem to approve of the Coalition and you say Labour let us down so instead of being negative what do you suggest?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).[/p][/quote]Just what is it you are suggesting then David? You don’t seem to approve of the Coalition and you say Labour let us down so instead of being negative what do you suggest? Snilly
  • Score: 4

2:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

CTRILEY says...

Me thinks David has been watching too much "Citizen Smith" on DVD.
Me thinks David has been watching too much "Citizen Smith" on DVD. CTRILEY
  • Score: -4

2:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Hunty1 says...

David Lacey wrote:
What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).
Tatally agree, but what's the solution?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).[/p][/quote]Tatally agree, but what's the solution? Hunty1
  • Score: 6

2:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Hunty1 says...

David Lacey wrote:
What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).
Totally agree, but what's the solution?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).[/p][/quote]Totally agree, but what's the solution? Hunty1
  • Score: 2

3:06pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Grim North says...

Hunty1 wrote:
David Lacey wrote: What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).
Totally agree, but what's the solution?
A good start would be for Labour politicians to stop playing the class card and blaming the Tories for all of the ills of the North East. Our region is piggy in the middle between the two bickering parties, Labour not giving a toss for the region because we vote for them anyway and the Tories not giving a toss because they don't give a toss. The North East is an island within and island, better transport links to our neighbouring aeas would be a good start so we can attract more inward investment instead of relying on handouts from westminster. But don't hold your breath, Labour did fcuk all for the region during 13 years in office and I doubt if the Tories will do any better. The best bet is not to vote for either of them at the next election, then perhaps they might sit up and take notice.
[quote][p][bold]Hunty1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).[/p][/quote]Totally agree, but what's the solution?[/p][/quote]A good start would be for Labour politicians to stop playing the class card and blaming the Tories for all of the ills of the North East. Our region is piggy in the middle between the two bickering parties, Labour not giving a toss for the region because we vote for them anyway and the Tories not giving a toss because they don't give a toss. The North East is an island within and island, better transport links to our neighbouring aeas would be a good start so we can attract more inward investment instead of relying on handouts from westminster. But don't hold your breath, Labour did fcuk all for the region during 13 years in office and I doubt if the Tories will do any better. The best bet is not to vote for either of them at the next election, then perhaps they might sit up and take notice. The Grim North
  • Score: 17

3:30pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Mr A says...

The Grim North I agree with everything that you have said apart from don't vote for either of them. What is the alternative?

I agree that neither care about us. The other parties would be just the same if not worse.......... hang on is that possible?
The Grim North I agree with everything that you have said apart from don't vote for either of them. What is the alternative? I agree that neither care about us. The other parties would be just the same if not worse.......... hang on is that possible? Mr A
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Wed 4 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Perfectly summed up by TGN. I happen to vote UKIP (without particularly liking them) simply because they would get us out of the EU. But in our out of the EU, the North East would still face monumental challenges so if we park the European issue to one side, what can we do to help ourselves?
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The answer must start with UNITY. The Scots are wallowing in English cash, because they pull together for the benefit of their country. So we should do the same. The parties must put their stupid polarised positions to one side, stop bickering and agree on a North East Regional Economic Plan. It should be fully costed and taken BY HAND down the A1 to London with MPs carrying it. Lots of publicity. It should be presented to all four main party leaders and our MPs - all of them - must DEMAND that it be delivered. If the Tories prevaricate (as I expect them to do so) then they will be condemned for ever. If Labour prevaricate then THEIR OWN MPS MUST STAND UP AND RESIGN EN MASSE. Pressure works wonders. At the moment we couldn't blow into a paper bag.
Perfectly summed up by TGN. I happen to vote UKIP (without particularly liking them) simply because they would get us out of the EU. But in our out of the EU, the North East would still face monumental challenges so if we park the European issue to one side, what can we do to help ourselves? . The answer must start with UNITY. The Scots are wallowing in English cash, because they pull together for the benefit of their country. So we should do the same. The parties must put their stupid polarised positions to one side, stop bickering and agree on a North East Regional Economic Plan. It should be fully costed and taken BY HAND down the A1 to London with MPs carrying it. Lots of publicity. It should be presented to all four main party leaders and our MPs - all of them - must DEMAND that it be delivered. If the Tories prevaricate (as I expect them to do so) then they will be condemned for ever. If Labour prevaricate then THEIR OWN MPS MUST STAND UP AND RESIGN EN MASSE. Pressure works wonders. At the moment we couldn't blow into a paper bag. David Lacey
  • Score: -1

3:38pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sineater says...

Stop using the class card.labour will when the tories do,look at the speech made by Boris,that tells you all you need to know.David thinks the north east is backward thinking by voting labour,what about Scotland and Wales,are they b ackward thinking too?,class card ! the trouble is tories do think they are a class above ,even dim Dave as his fellow students called him. When they govern for all the people not just their friends,then labour will stop using the class card.
Stop using the class card.labour will when the tories do,look at the speech made by Boris,that tells you all you need to know.David thinks the north east is backward thinking by voting labour,what about Scotland and Wales,are they b ackward thinking too?,class card ! the trouble is tories do think they are a class above ,even dim Dave as his fellow students called him. When they govern for all the people not just their friends,then labour will stop using the class card. sineater
  • Score: -11

3:53pm Wed 4 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

The last message sums up the size of the problem we face. With friends like Loopy, who needs enemies!
The last message sums up the size of the problem we face. With friends like Loopy, who needs enemies! David Lacey
  • Score: -1

3:56pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

David, You are quite correct and have summed up the situation most eloquently. As for solutions. Of course, the majority will never wake up and vote for change. I thought, sineater, that Boris was quite correct. One wouldn't expect a football team to pick a substandard player - so why should more intellectual careers, or indeed high ranking unviersities, have to select on anything other than meritocratic grounds. Of course, the region could embrace fracking - but I suspect that the ideological dullards of the left will continue to oppose it.
David, You are quite correct and have summed up the situation most eloquently. As for solutions. Of course, the majority will never wake up and vote for change. I thought, sineater, that Boris was quite correct. One wouldn't expect a football team to pick a substandard player - so why should more intellectual careers, or indeed high ranking unviersities, have to select on anything other than meritocratic grounds. Of course, the region could embrace fracking - but I suspect that the ideological dullards of the left will continue to oppose it. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 5

4:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Welcome VOR. Fracking would have to be part of the North East Regional Economic Plan. Get the gas out, bring the money in. We are sitting on a goldmine but unable to get at it because of resistance from uninformed people. This will of course change, but I guarantee that the North West will be first to the punch and win investment that could and should come here.
Welcome VOR. Fracking would have to be part of the North East Regional Economic Plan. Get the gas out, bring the money in. We are sitting on a goldmine but unable to get at it because of resistance from uninformed people. This will of course change, but I guarantee that the North West will be first to the punch and win investment that could and should come here. David Lacey
  • Score: 1

4:11pm Wed 4 Dec 13

nigel d says...

By taking along mosty southern based business leaders including his father in law can anyone explain how that will help our region grow and prosper.or is it just that cameron is only looking after his own?
By taking along mosty southern based business leaders including his father in law can anyone explain how that will help our region grow and prosper.or is it just that cameron is only looking after his own? nigel d
  • Score: 2

4:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

nigel d says...

The Grim North wrote:
Buisiness leaders in the North East should be knocking on doors in China already without cadging a lift off Cameron or at the very least the great and the good (including council leaders and trades unionists) should be getting their heads together to pomote trade with China instead of whinging that they didn't get a ride on the bus.
Why should the south get their rides payed .
[quote][p][bold]The Grim North[/bold] wrote: Buisiness leaders in the North East should be knocking on doors in China already without cadging a lift off Cameron or at the very least the great and the good (including council leaders and trades unionists) should be getting their heads together to pomote trade with China instead of whinging that they didn't get a ride on the bus.[/p][/quote]Why should the south get their rides payed . nigel d
  • Score: 1

4:28pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Trackplate says...

The region once relied totally on its finite resources, coal and iron ore. Both are long gone together with the "secure" jobs and pensions provided by employers like ICI, Dorman Long, Coal Board, Ship Builders and all the spin-off outfits that dominated the labour market. Nothing will ever replace that level of financial success. So what's to do Jack? Stop fighting amongst each other ( Conservatives v Labour etc), (Employers v Unions) (Rich v Poor) and look to your most recent successes and advertise the fact that you do have another more modern resource in the shape of dedicated workforces that do not strike anymore at the drop of a hat (or cap) and regularly deliver quality of the highest order. Nissan is a prime example and must be a great calling card in the far east. The region also boasts fantastic universities and colleges, turning out many who can "think outside the box" and who can " do a Cambridge", given the right backing. So who needs Cameron and his Ministry of Blather? Just cut the carping, get a regional sales team, and D.I.Y.
The region once relied totally on its finite resources, coal and iron ore. Both are long gone together with the "secure" jobs and pensions provided by employers like ICI, Dorman Long, Coal Board, Ship Builders and all the spin-off outfits that dominated the labour market. Nothing will ever replace that level of financial success. So what's to do Jack? Stop fighting amongst each other ( Conservatives v Labour etc), (Employers v Unions) (Rich v Poor) and look to your most recent successes and advertise the fact that you do have another more modern resource in the shape of dedicated workforces that do not strike anymore at the drop of a hat (or cap) and regularly deliver quality of the highest order. Nissan is a prime example and must be a great calling card in the far east. The region also boasts fantastic universities and colleges, turning out many who can "think outside the box" and who can " do a Cambridge", given the right backing. So who needs Cameron and his Ministry of Blather? Just cut the carping, get a regional sales team, and D.I.Y. Trackplate
  • Score: 8

5:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sineater says...

No David ,you sum up the problem,the north-east has a strong tradition for hard working people,they are let down by politicians that hardly know where the area is. I see the tories are promising to up grade the A1 in Northumberland again guess it must be nearly election time again they promised that before the last election. You haven't answered my point about Wales and Scotland,and all the other regions that have less and less tory mp's,are they all stupid too or are they too wise to fall for tory lies?nearlly all promises made by Cameron at the last election were lies so why would sensible people vote for this idiot he does more u-turns than a spinning top.
No David ,you sum up the problem,the north-east has a strong tradition for hard working people,they are let down by politicians that hardly know where the area is. I see the tories are promising to up grade the A1 in Northumberland again guess it must be nearly election time again they promised that before the last election. You haven't answered my point about Wales and Scotland,and all the other regions that have less and less tory mp's,are they all stupid too or are they too wise to fall for tory lies?nearlly all promises made by Cameron at the last election were lies so why would sensible people vote for this idiot he does more u-turns than a spinning top. sineater
  • Score: -5

5:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sineater says...

VOR, Iff we need clever people,why do we have to put up with the idiots in government at present? And as for being clever,said people can't get anywhere without unskilled and semi -skilled workers to keep the country going.As for fracking ,it is not stupid to oppose it, England has far less empty countryside than the states,who wants to live next door to ruined and polluted countryside?
VOR, Iff we need clever people,why do we have to put up with the idiots in government at present? And as for being clever,said people can't get anywhere without unskilled and semi -skilled workers to keep the country going.As for fracking ,it is not stupid to oppose it, England has far less empty countryside than the states,who wants to live next door to ruined and polluted countryside? sineater
  • Score: -3

5:50pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Andyleigh says...

David Lacey - I'd vote for you.
David Lacey - I'd vote for you. Andyleigh
  • Score: 5

6:01pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Grim North says...

sineater wrote:
No David ,you sum up the problem,the north-east has a strong tradition for hard working people,they are let down by politicians that hardly know where the area is. I see the tories are promising to up grade the A1 in Northumberland again guess it must be nearly election time again they promised that before the last election. You haven't answered my point about Wales and Scotland,and all the other regions that have less and less tory mp's,are they all stupid too or are they too wise to fall for tory lies?nearlly all promises made by Cameron at the last election were lies so why would sensible people vote for this idiot he does more u-turns than a spinning top.
Your point about Scotland and Wales is a good one. In both regions politics is dominated or heavily influenced by Nationalist parties which have split the vote. In Scotland and Wales Labour no longer take their vote for granted and overall I think its fare to say that both Scotland and Wales get a better deal than the North East. He who shouts loudest and all that!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: No David ,you sum up the problem,the north-east has a strong tradition for hard working people,they are let down by politicians that hardly know where the area is. I see the tories are promising to up grade the A1 in Northumberland again guess it must be nearly election time again they promised that before the last election. You haven't answered my point about Wales and Scotland,and all the other regions that have less and less tory mp's,are they all stupid too or are they too wise to fall for tory lies?nearlly all promises made by Cameron at the last election were lies so why would sensible people vote for this idiot he does more u-turns than a spinning top.[/p][/quote]Your point about Scotland and Wales is a good one. In both regions politics is dominated or heavily influenced by Nationalist parties which have split the vote. In Scotland and Wales Labour no longer take their vote for granted and overall I think its fare to say that both Scotland and Wales get a better deal than the North East. He who shouts loudest and all that! The Grim North
  • Score: 4

6:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

The Grim North says...

nigel d wrote:
The Grim North wrote: Buisiness leaders in the North East should be knocking on doors in China already without cadging a lift off Cameron or at the very least the great and the good (including council leaders and trades unionists) should be getting their heads together to pomote trade with China instead of whinging that they didn't get a ride on the bus.
Why should the south get their rides payed .
The North East accounts for about 3.5% of the UK population so instead of 2 seats we should have had 4 or 5. Its not statistically viable to make accusations of bias in this case, just Red Rob stirring it as usual. How many were women, how many were black, how many were gay? Or is that tomorrow's headline.
[quote][p][bold]nigel d[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim North[/bold] wrote: Buisiness leaders in the North East should be knocking on doors in China already without cadging a lift off Cameron or at the very least the great and the good (including council leaders and trades unionists) should be getting their heads together to pomote trade with China instead of whinging that they didn't get a ride on the bus.[/p][/quote]Why should the south get their rides payed .[/p][/quote]The North East accounts for about 3.5% of the UK population so instead of 2 seats we should have had 4 or 5. Its not statistically viable to make accusations of bias in this case, just Red Rob stirring it as usual. How many were women, how many were black, how many were gay? Or is that tomorrow's headline. The Grim North
  • Score: 4

8:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

sineater says...

TGN, Maybe all north-east mp's of all parties should forget about towing the party line,show a united front campaigning for the north-east.
TGN, Maybe all north-east mp's of all parties should forget about towing the party line,show a united front campaigning for the north-east. sineater
  • Score: 5

9:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

loan_star says...

sineater wrote:
TGN, Maybe all north-east mp's of all parties should forget about towing the party line,show a united front campaigning for the north-east.
Thats probably the most sensible thing you have ever said on here. Unfortunately most politicians display a blinkered bias similar to your usual posts.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: TGN, Maybe all north-east mp's of all parties should forget about towing the party line,show a united front campaigning for the north-east.[/p][/quote]Thats probably the most sensible thing you have ever said on here. Unfortunately most politicians display a blinkered bias similar to your usual posts. loan_star
  • Score: 4

11:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Stocko says...

David Lacey wrote:
What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).
Despite plaudits from the ill-informed THIS attitude is the real problem for the North East. The idea that a Labour government did nothing for the North East is patently stupid - anyone with eyes to see and the age to remember what the North East was really like in 1997 would be aware of the most radical change in the area.

But instead of standing up for our region we get people like Lacey taking every opportunity to do us down.

According to David Lacey privatisation is the answer to all of lifes ills. That is what the government think too. But how well have we been served by private companies - do you trust bankers, energy companies, hedge-fund managers, rail companies more now. Run by greedy men, for greedy shareholders and fleecing the public at every opportunity.

And when it all goes wrong bailing out and letting the government aka the taxpayer pick up the pieces.

Under Labour, contrary to what David says, every statistic on the economy, health etc improved - but the whole country improved not just the North East - yet still the gap narrowed between us and the rest. Until, of course, the tsunami that the bankers caused drowned us all.

But this government is writing off regions like the North East along with all other traditional Labour areas. And it does it because it genuinely does not care.

Mr Lacey believes Northerners are wrong to want to return Labour to power - but the real truth is they'd be stupid not to.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).[/p][/quote]Despite plaudits from the ill-informed THIS attitude is the real problem for the North East. The idea that a Labour government did nothing for the North East is patently stupid - anyone with eyes to see and the age to remember what the North East was really like in 1997 would be aware of the most radical change in the area. But instead of standing up for our region we get people like Lacey taking every opportunity to do us down. According to David Lacey privatisation is the answer to all of lifes ills. That is what the government think too. But how well have we been served by private companies - do you trust bankers, energy companies, hedge-fund managers, rail companies more now. Run by greedy men, for greedy shareholders and fleecing the public at every opportunity. And when it all goes wrong bailing out and letting the government aka the taxpayer pick up the pieces. Under Labour, contrary to what David says, every statistic on the economy, health etc improved - but the whole country improved not just the North East - yet still the gap narrowed between us and the rest. Until, of course, the tsunami that the bankers caused drowned us all. But this government is writing off regions like the North East along with all other traditional Labour areas. And it does it because it genuinely does not care. Mr Lacey believes Northerners are wrong to want to return Labour to power - but the real truth is they'd be stupid not to. Stocko
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Thu 5 Dec 13

sineater says...

I don't have a bias as big as the tories,waging war on poor people instead of their paymasters in the banking industry.Iff the tories had the brains to govern for all the people,instead of just their cronies, they might get more support in the north-east and other areas,but they haven't the sense to see that, That is how the people around here would vote tory David,not by brow beating and bullying or demanding-just fairness.
I don't have a bias as big as the tories,waging war on poor people instead of their paymasters in the banking industry.Iff the tories had the brains to govern for all the people,instead of just their cronies, they might get more support in the north-east and other areas,but they haven't the sense to see that, That is how the people around here would vote tory David,not by brow beating and bullying or demanding-just fairness. sineater
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Thu 5 Dec 13

MICK G says...

This is not just down to the current parties in charge. As long as i can remember the North east has been considered second best compared to the Southern counties. Strange considering there are high number of large companies in the Northeast of England. I guess they probably are still stinging from Hitachi coming to Newton Aycliffe. I bet they did all they could to try and get that plant in the South.
This is not just down to the current parties in charge. As long as i can remember the North east has been considered second best compared to the Southern counties. Strange considering there are high number of large companies in the Northeast of England. I guess they probably are still stinging from Hitachi coming to Newton Aycliffe. I bet they did all they could to try and get that plant in the South. MICK G
  • Score: 5

4:51pm Thu 5 Dec 13

jewitt says...

As someone who lived in an affuent area for the large part of my life, I fully understand why David Lacey has the rose tinted neo-conservative mindset he does. However, since moving to the North east , my politics have fundamentally changed as you begin to realise how many intrinsic disadvantages there are up here. Every day I think England begins to resemble an episode of USA undercover boss. Endless wealth and massive bonuses for the monied entrepreneurial classes in the south while workers scrape around on minimum wages and worry about whether they can afford more creeping privatisation of education and medicine. Come from a well-off background, you attend the best universities and then end up in the best jobs. Even the top universities in the NE are largely frquented by the middle classes. Stocko was right when he said you'd be stupid not to vote Labour if you live up here.
As someone who lived in an affuent area for the large part of my life, I fully understand why David Lacey has the rose tinted neo-conservative mindset he does. However, since moving to the North east , my politics have fundamentally changed as you begin to realise how many intrinsic disadvantages there are up here. Every day I think England begins to resemble an episode of USA undercover boss. Endless wealth and massive bonuses for the monied entrepreneurial classes in the south while workers scrape around on minimum wages and worry about whether they can afford more creeping privatisation of education and medicine. Come from a well-off background, you attend the best universities and then end up in the best jobs. Even the top universities in the NE are largely frquented by the middle classes. Stocko was right when he said you'd be stupid not to vote Labour if you live up here. jewitt
  • Score: 3

6:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

roaduser98 says...

"Mr Lacey believes Northerners are wrong to want to return Labour to power - but the real truth is they'd be stupid not to." quote.
Well its only 17 months to the election and lets see if the coalition get re-elected on their excellent performance , which appears to be getting better by the day!!
"Mr Lacey believes Northerners are wrong to want to return Labour to power - but the real truth is they'd be stupid not to." quote. Well its only 17 months to the election and lets see if the coalition get re-elected on their excellent performance , which appears to be getting better by the day!! roaduser98
  • Score: 2

8:21pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Border Terrier says...

David Lacey wrote:
What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).
Just about sums it up.We are always in a Recession in the North East.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: What on earth would any sensible person think about this entirely predictable issue? The North East is a desolate economic backwater, infected by tribal left wing wasters who have a deep distrust of private enterprise. The people are content to be at the bottom of every league table, be it health, GDP or education. They make sure they stay there by voting for the status quo at every opportunity. The only way the region will drag itself out of the mire is by radically changing its attitude to everything. And that isn't going to happen. So we will remain rooted to the foot of the ladder, ignored by governments of every hue (remember 13 years when Labour did nothing for us).[/p][/quote]Just about sums it up.We are always in a Recession in the North East. Border Terrier
  • Score: 4

8:52pm Thu 5 Dec 13

sineater says...

Adeep distrust of private enterprise? could be because when a public company is privatised,out go half the workers up go the prices,and share-holders pocket the profits instead of reinvesting in the company,resulting in poorer and poorer service to customers,like the railways ,and the power companies.
Adeep distrust of private enterprise? could be because when a public company is privatised,out go half the workers up go the prices,and share-holders pocket the profits instead of reinvesting in the company,resulting in poorer and poorer service to customers,like the railways ,and the power companies. sineater
  • Score: 0

10:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Stocko says...

roaduser98 wrote:
"Mr Lacey believes Northerners are wrong to want to return Labour to power - but the real truth is they'd be stupid not to." quote.
Well its only 17 months to the election and lets see if the coalition get re-elected on their excellent performance , which appears to be getting better by the day!!
It may come as a surprise to you but the Coalition will not be putting themselves up for election in 2015. There is no Coalition party standing for election.
[quote][p][bold]roaduser98[/bold] wrote: "Mr Lacey believes Northerners are wrong to want to return Labour to power - but the real truth is they'd be stupid not to." quote. Well its only 17 months to the election and lets see if the coalition get re-elected on their excellent performance , which appears to be getting better by the day!![/p][/quote]It may come as a surprise to you but the Coalition will not be putting themselves up for election in 2015. There is no Coalition party standing for election. Stocko
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Fri 6 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Parts of the north east are still trapped in a 'Bobby Thompson' (The cloth capped geordie little waster), firmly stuck in a negative union mentality time-warp. Many living there still cannot think for themselves when it comes to politics and/or important national issues, for example my great, great, great, great Grandad voted Labour......... so then will I. 'Fags, betting and Booze' and constant whinging of the ancient record, 'What a bad time we have had in the past' and the world owes us all a living'. ....., still play an important part of 'North East Culture'. For decades the North East have had an inferiority complex (mentioned the 'south of England' and you get the repeated boring ignorant staid reply and fixed look).. I doubt if your typical man in the street,...' North Easterner' could name just three southern counties of England, never mind te capital City of China. Sadly many North Easterners still have been 'no where and done nothing', apart from the local pub.. Most North Easterners could not even point out the second biggest economy in the world namely China, on a world map.. Another factor is business and industry wise the south of England is on mainland Europe's doorstep compared with todays north east's minaturised industrial backwater.
Parts of the north east are still trapped in a 'Bobby Thompson' (The cloth capped geordie little waster), firmly stuck in a negative union mentality time-warp. Many living there still cannot think for themselves when it comes to politics and/or important national issues, for example my great, great, great, great Grandad voted Labour......... so then will I. 'Fags, betting and Booze' and constant whinging of the ancient record, 'What a bad time we have had in the past' and the world owes us all a living'. ....., still play an important part of 'North East Culture'. For decades the North East have had an inferiority complex (mentioned the 'south of England' and you get the repeated boring ignorant staid reply and fixed look).. I doubt if your typical man in the street,...' North Easterner' could name just three southern counties of England, never mind te capital City of China. Sadly many North Easterners still have been 'no where and done nothing', apart from the local pub.. Most North Easterners could not even point out the second biggest economy in the world namely China, on a world map.. Another factor is business and industry wise the south of England is on mainland Europe's doorstep compared with todays north east's minaturised industrial backwater. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

6:26pm Fri 6 Dec 13

sineater says...

Berkshire,surrey,cam
bridgeshire , that all right cushy grafter ? We are not stuck in a timewarp,we are stuck with a cr*p government who are increasing the countries debt instead of reducing it. China is between Russia and Vietnamhows that then,we don't have an inferiority complex we have an inferior government.Iff the south-east is on Europe's doorstep,why is Nissan in Sunderland? you pr*t.
Berkshire,surrey,cam bridgeshire , that all right cushy grafter ? We are not stuck in a timewarp,we are stuck with a cr*p government who are increasing the countries debt instead of reducing it. China is between Russia and Vietnamhows that then,we don't have an inferiority complex we have an inferior government.Iff the south-east is on Europe's doorstep,why is Nissan in Sunderland? you pr*t. sineater
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
Berkshire,surrey,cam

bridgeshire , that all right cushy grafter ? We are not stuck in a timewarp,we are stuck with a cr*p government who are increasing the countries debt instead of reducing it. China is between Russia and Vietnamhows that then,we don't have an inferiority complex we have an inferior government.Iff the south-east is on Europe's doorstep,why is Nissan in Sunderland? you pr*t.
So if that is true, does that mean we have had a succession of cr*p governments??

As far as I can tell nothing had really changed in the North East for many decades. Still the same stubbornness and sitting on thumbs waiting for Whitehall to organise peoples lives!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Berkshire,surrey,cam bridgeshire , that all right cushy grafter ? We are not stuck in a timewarp,we are stuck with a cr*p government who are increasing the countries debt instead of reducing it. China is between Russia and Vietnamhows that then,we don't have an inferiority complex we have an inferior government.Iff the south-east is on Europe's doorstep,why is Nissan in Sunderland? you pr*t.[/p][/quote]So if that is true, does that mean we have had a succession of cr*p governments?? As far as I can tell nothing had really changed in the North East for many decades. Still the same stubbornness and sitting on thumbs waiting for Whitehall to organise peoples lives!! Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Sat 7 Dec 13

sineater says...

Sitting on thumbs ,so no one from the north-east looks for work beyond their doorstep,there has always been a problem of the north-east losing young educated people to the rest of the country and beyond.To be negative saying well they didn't do anything about it ,so why blame us,will never get us anywhere. The tories will never help us,till we submit and vote for them,can you call that democracy?and yes labour should have done more,but then again,iff someone compains about jobs not being created,someone always says politicians cannot create jobs ! but when a new business opens,politicians are always first to stick their noses in front of the camera !!
Sitting on thumbs ,so no one from the north-east looks for work beyond their doorstep,there has always been a problem of the north-east losing young educated people to the rest of the country and beyond.To be negative saying well they didn't do anything about it ,so why blame us,will never get us anywhere. The tories will never help us,till we submit and vote for them,can you call that democracy?and yes labour should have done more,but then again,iff someone compains about jobs not being created,someone always says politicians cannot create jobs ! but when a new business opens,politicians are always first to stick their noses in front of the camera !! sineater
  • Score: 0

2:39pm Sat 7 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Sineater. You should thank your lucky stars that you are living in a country governed by the most postive and progressive British Government we have had for decades. Even some of the left wing workshy in the north east are finding it harder to **avoid work. The national dept, created by labour and the maxist Unions has been greatly reduced. If you research your industrial history properly it was Margaret Thatcher who was mainly responsible for bringing Nissan to the workless, desperate workless Mackens, who would have still be wearing clogs and smoking clay pipes had it not been for Maggie. Incidentaly why Sunderland can ever be described as a City is quite beyond me. Sunderland is a dirty grubby backward town in a backward north east backwater.
Sineater. You should thank your lucky stars that you are living in a country governed by the most postive and progressive British Government we have had for decades. Even some of the left wing workshy in the north east are finding it harder to **avoid work. The national dept, created by labour and the maxist Unions has been greatly reduced. If you research your industrial history properly it was Margaret Thatcher who was mainly responsible for bringing Nissan to the workless, desperate workless Mackens, who would have still be wearing clogs and smoking clay pipes had it not been for Maggie. Incidentaly why Sunderland can ever be described as a City is quite beyond me. Sunderland is a dirty grubby backward town in a backward north east backwater. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -2

3:00pm Sat 7 Dec 13

spewy501 says...

how much support was given by the government when british steel/corus was due to close which would have effectively made middlesbrough a ghost town...... regardless of governments the results have all been the same.

question: who would work harder a person guaranteed a job no matter what they do or dont do or somebody on a short contract who is re-evaluated every few years
i am no advocate of any party i want whats best for the area i live in...
its just a thought but give these people a wake up call vote somebody else , just the once to show them there place representing the area is not cast in stone
how much support was given by the government when british steel/corus was due to close which would have effectively made middlesbrough a ghost town...... regardless of governments the results have all been the same. question: who would work harder a person guaranteed a job no matter what they do or dont do or somebody on a short contract who is re-evaluated every few years i am no advocate of any party i want whats best for the area i live in... its just a thought but give these people a wake up call vote somebody else , just the once to show them there place representing the area is not cast in stone spewy501
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Sat 7 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Just look at what recently happened at Grangemouth. Thousands of decent working class people nearly lost their well paid Jobs because of **left wing ***marxists agitators and the plant was saved from closure by a **whisker. A closure would have cost Britain Billions in lost industrial revenue. All this because .............****ONE UNION PUNTER*******.......
... was suspended, can only be described as absolutely pathetic. If Marxists, leftiesa and labour get in, we will ALL be queuing up at soup kitchens, living in a Britain devoid of ANY Jobs and ANY industry. The only industry in Britain left will be the 'Nanny reared Benefit Workless handout state', your childrens future.
Just look at what recently happened at Grangemouth. Thousands of decent working class people nearly lost their well paid Jobs because of **left wing ***marxists agitators and the plant was saved from closure by a **whisker. A closure would have cost Britain Billions in lost industrial revenue. All this because .............****ONE UNION PUNTER*******....... ... was suspended, can only be described as absolutely pathetic. If Marxists, leftiesa and labour get in, we will ALL be queuing up at soup kitchens, living in a Britain devoid of ANY Jobs and ANY industry. The only industry in Britain left will be the 'Nanny reared Benefit Workless handout state', your childrens future. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Sat 7 Dec 13

sineater says...

how can it be a nanny reared benefit workless handout state ,when people can't live on benefits after all the cuts,and ther is not enough work to go to plonker !!,we will all be queuing at spoup kitchens,we are all queuing at food banks now-wally !!
how can it be a nanny reared benefit workless handout state ,when people can't live on benefits after all the cuts,and ther is not enough work to go to plonker !!,we will all be queuing at spoup kitchens,we are all queuing at food banks now-wally !! sineater
  • Score: 0

3:57pm Sat 7 Dec 13

sineater says...

Positive and progressive !,calling people lazy,cutting benefits when there are no jobs to go to. Sunderland a backward backwater,i think you should go back to where you came from,iff you worked as much as you make your gob go,you just might get a job sweeping up at Nissan.As for Maggie bringing Nissan to Sunderland,i have heard many times on this blog that politicians can't create jobs, she may have took the credit,after all the destruction she visited on the north-east she should have crawled on her hands and knees to beg forgivness,even her own family couldn't stand her !!
Positive and progressive !,calling people lazy,cutting benefits when there are no jobs to go to. Sunderland a backward backwater,i think you should go back to where you came from,iff you worked as much as you make your gob go,you just might get a job sweeping up at Nissan.As for Maggie bringing Nissan to Sunderland,i have heard many times on this blog that politicians can't create jobs, she may have took the credit,after all the destruction she visited on the north-east she should have crawled on her hands and knees to beg forgivness,even her own family couldn't stand her !! sineater
  • Score: 0

11:29am Sun 8 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Well the answer is Sineater, These people should get off their 'Nanny free state benefit butts' and go out and get a job, like 9O per cent plus of the British Population. Can you imagine any perspective new business potential business investors coming to some 'Wearside' and 'Teeside shanty Towns' ?. What do they see ?. Criminal Grafittie feestoned on Walls, Shop Shutters, railway walls. Litter and broken glass strewn on filthy streets. Illegal Flytipping and 'Grot Spots'. Young fit ***able bodied workshy males, lying and begging on street pavement. (Some receceiving Free Food Parcels and donations which should have been given in the first place to genuine over seventies elderly). This is the view that any possible new business leaders will get of ***some..... (not all of course) parts of todays so called modern progressive North East Region. The only thing missing is 'Medevial Union Cards', Clogs, Clay Pipes and chamber pots.
Well the answer is Sineater, These people should get off their 'Nanny free state benefit butts' and go out and get a job, like 9O per cent plus of the British Population. Can you imagine any perspective new business potential business investors coming to some 'Wearside' and 'Teeside shanty Towns' ?. What do they see ?. Criminal Grafittie feestoned on Walls, Shop Shutters, railway walls. Litter and broken glass strewn on filthy streets. Illegal Flytipping and 'Grot Spots'. Young fit ***able bodied workshy males, lying and begging on street pavement. (Some receceiving Free Food Parcels and donations which should have been given in the first place to genuine over seventies elderly). This is the view that any possible new business leaders will get of ***some..... (not all of course) parts of todays so called modern progressive North East Region. The only thing missing is 'Medevial Union Cards', Clogs, Clay Pipes and chamber pots. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 1

11:34am Sun 8 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Sineater At least Maggie had the backbone and moral fibre to stand up for Britain in both Europe and the world and saved our sacred British Commonwealth Falkland Islands. Sheneeds a medal as big as a Frying Pan.
Sineater At least Maggie had the backbone and moral fibre to stand up for Britain in both Europe and the world and saved our sacred British Commonwealth Falkland Islands. Sheneeds a medal as big as a Frying Pan. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -2

1:35pm Sun 8 Dec 13

sineater says...

The year before the Falkland war,Maggie gave **** an excuse for taking away the last patrol boat guarding the falklands saying they were not proper british citisens anyway,ergo we had the falklands war.In the late seventies Argentina threatened to invade,so the labour government sent a nuclear sub to put them off-no war !! so much for brave Maggie
The year before the Falkland war,Maggie gave **** an excuse for taking away the last patrol boat guarding the falklands saying they were not proper british citisens anyway,ergo we had the falklands war.In the late seventies Argentina threatened to invade,so the labour government sent a nuclear sub to put them off-no war !! so much for brave Maggie sineater
  • Score: -3

1:38pm Sun 8 Dec 13

sineater says...

grafter butterfield,you said we have a positive government-ha the do so many u-turns the spin like a top.
grafter butterfield,you said we have a positive government-ha the do so many u-turns the spin like a top. sineater
  • Score: -2

3:03pm Sun 8 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Loopy - having been banned as "loonyleft" you are sailing close to the wind again under your previous identity. Any more abuse and I'll have you sent to the naughty corner - again.
Loopy - having been banned as "loonyleft" you are sailing close to the wind again under your previous identity. Any more abuse and I'll have you sent to the naughty corner - again. David Lacey
  • Score: 4

6:02pm Sun 8 Dec 13

sineater says...

So David it was you who complained ,whats wrong can't cope with the truth?,lets have some details of when I gave you any abuse, you abuse poor and the disabled but you can't take any criticism back, what a coward,just like the politicians you support.
So David it was you who complained ,whats wrong can't cope with the truth?,lets have some details of when I gave you any abuse, you abuse poor and the disabled but you can't take any criticism back, what a coward,just like the politicians you support. sineater
  • Score: -2

8:49pm Sun 8 Dec 13

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

The problems faced in the north east start and end with the fact that people keep voting Labour. It really is that simple. The region will never change for the better unless voting habits do. Vote for anyone other that Labour next time, and I do mean anyone! Loose the flat cap, pit village mentality and stop living in the past. Maybe then the region will start to prosper.
The problems faced in the north east start and end with the fact that people keep voting Labour. It really is that simple. The region will never change for the better unless voting habits do. Vote for anyone other that Labour next time, and I do mean anyone! Loose the flat cap, pit village mentality and stop living in the past. Maybe then the region will start to prosper. thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth
  • Score: 0

12:24am Mon 9 Dec 13

johnny_p says...

sineater wrote:
The year before the Falkland war,Maggie gave **** an excuse for taking away the last patrol boat guarding the falklands saying they were not proper british citisens anyway,ergo we had the falklands war.In the late seventies Argentina threatened to invade,so the labour government sent a nuclear sub to put them off-no war !! so much for brave Maggie
"Are you for real"? As they say up here....
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: The year before the Falkland war,Maggie gave **** an excuse for taking away the last patrol boat guarding the falklands saying they were not proper british citisens anyway,ergo we had the falklands war.In the late seventies Argentina threatened to invade,so the labour government sent a nuclear sub to put them off-no war !! so much for brave Maggie[/p][/quote]"Are you for real"? As they say up here.... johnny_p
  • Score: 4

12:45am Mon 9 Dec 13

johnny_p says...

There's a distorted and demented twist of reality being propagated here on The Echo website. It's almost as if the "Tories" (actually read Coalition) somehow came to power under some huge social injustice. A military coup, or vote ringing perhaps? That they only represent "the rich', bankers in London perhaps or fat Capitalists who live in Bermuda. But here's the rub- an awful lot more people voted for them in the last election than did Labour and let's not forget that.

And today we have Neil Kinnock, the hapless, hopeless and totally inept politician popping up suggesting that Labour increase the top tax rate to 50%..... All this from the man who as soon as he failed dismally to become the UK's next PM was whisked off to Brussels to cream off a fat tax-free salary for himself and his family. You really couldn't make it up.

But up here in the North East we're stuck in some kind of never ending political dogma. It's grim up here, there's no jobs, I "need" the State to do it all for me, I can't think for myself...... vote Labour. It's all absolutely hopeless.

Let's face it, if we are faring worse than the South East up here we have no-one but ourselves to blame.
There's a distorted and demented twist of reality being propagated here on The Echo website. It's almost as if the "Tories" (actually read Coalition) somehow came to power under some huge social injustice. A military coup, or vote ringing perhaps? That they only represent "the rich', bankers in London perhaps or fat Capitalists who live in Bermuda. But here's the rub- an awful lot more people voted for them in the last election than did Labour and let's not forget that. And today we have Neil Kinnock, the hapless, hopeless and totally inept politician popping up suggesting that Labour increase the top tax rate to 50%..... All this from the man who as soon as he failed dismally to become the UK's next PM was whisked off to Brussels to cream off a fat tax-free salary for himself and his family. You really couldn't make it up. But up here in the North East we're stuck in some kind of never ending political dogma. It's grim up here, there's no jobs, I "need" the State to do it all for me, I can't think for myself...... vote Labour. It's all absolutely hopeless. Let's face it, if we are faring worse than the South East up here we have no-one but ourselves to blame. johnny_p
  • Score: 4

7:22am Mon 9 Dec 13

ainemac says...

So many people stuck in some kind of 80s battle re-enactment. Labour vs Tory, Labour vs Tory, Labour vs Tory. But Labour are hapless incompetents and the Tories don't give a toss about anyone other than their Home Counties voting base. Neither are a realistic option tbh
So many people stuck in some kind of 80s battle re-enactment. Labour vs Tory, Labour vs Tory, Labour vs Tory. But Labour are hapless incompetents and the Tories don't give a toss about anyone other than their Home Counties voting base. Neither are a realistic option tbh ainemac
  • Score: 1

7:52am Mon 9 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Labour is happy to keep people in perpetual state funded support, and why shouldn't they when people like Sineater/Looneyleft continue to buy into it.

He attacks anyone that tries to get ahead, attacks those that wanted to be self sufficient and bought through the right to buy scheme, and seems to think that anyone that is a higher rate tax payer is trying to swerve tax in any way they can. It's ridiculous, and as far left as you can go within the modern world!!

This area would be better if people could see beyond what they want here and now and looked long term, the coalition may not offer what they need but Labour certainly don't. All that will do is increases welfare in the immediTe an placate those disgruntle but they will drive our children and grandchildren into a corner where they have the same state support life. No jobs, no economy, just a low biweekly handout and a state maintained house if they are lucky!!

My kids deserve better...
Labour is happy to keep people in perpetual state funded support, and why shouldn't they when people like Sineater/Looneyleft continue to buy into it. He attacks anyone that tries to get ahead, attacks those that wanted to be self sufficient and bought through the right to buy scheme, and seems to think that anyone that is a higher rate tax payer is trying to swerve tax in any way they can. It's ridiculous, and as far left as you can go within the modern world!! This area would be better if people could see beyond what they want here and now and looked long term, the coalition may not offer what they need but Labour certainly don't. All that will do is increases welfare in the immediTe an placate those disgruntle but they will drive our children and grandchildren into a corner where they have the same state support life. No jobs, no economy, just a low biweekly handout and a state maintained house if they are lucky!! My kids deserve better... Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 2

10:58am Mon 9 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Just wait until the NEW YEAR when most of us in Britain will be ************** *****STONY BROKE***** thanks to another influx of two Million overseas east europeon punters,paid for by and with **our*** British NHS, Benefit and Housing ***Taxes and politically backed up and fully supprted by left wing and maxist 'head in the sand' punters and Trade Unions.
Just wait until the NEW YEAR when most of us in Britain will be ************** *****STONY BROKE***** thanks to another influx of two Million overseas east europeon punters,paid for by and with **our*** British NHS, Benefit and Housing ***Taxes and politically backed up and fully supprted by left wing and maxist 'head in the sand' punters and Trade Unions. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 1

11:00am Mon 9 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

I would love to know what job of work (If any ?) that Sineater apparently purports to do.
I would love to know what job of work (If any ?) that Sineater apparently purports to do. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

Jonny,Yes i'm for real,and what I stated about the falklands are the real facts,not tory propaganda.
Jonny,Yes i'm for real,and what I stated about the falklands are the real facts,not tory propaganda. sineater
  • Score: -1

12:04pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

Jonny iff Maggie had shown some real intent to the Argentinians that they were not welcome and we would defend the falklands before they invaded,then all those soldiers on both sides need not of died.But there's no glory in that is there?,just as Cameron was angling to send in troops to Syria this year,more glory seeking,thankfully Milliband held him back on that vote.
Jonny iff Maggie had shown some real intent to the Argentinians that they were not welcome and we would defend the falklands before they invaded,then all those soldiers on both sides need not of died.But there's no glory in that is there?,just as Cameron was angling to send in troops to Syria this year,more glory seeking,thankfully Milliband held him back on that vote. sineater
  • Score: -1

12:09pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

Tho ,Labour is happy to keep people in state funded support,iff 60% of workers did not claim benefits they would not survive.Are you suggesting that no support be given? bosses claim they can only pay a certain level of wages,so what do low paid workers do?
Tho ,Labour is happy to keep people in state funded support,iff 60% of workers did not claim benefits they would not survive.Are you suggesting that no support be given? bosses claim they can only pay a certain level of wages,so what do low paid workers do? sineater
  • Score: -1

12:12pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

Cushy, Now that you have left the railways,and joined the musichall are you happier in your work?-Are you suggesting that unemployed people are not allowed an opinion?
Cushy, Now that you have left the railways,and joined the musichall are you happier in your work?-Are you suggesting that unemployed people are not allowed an opinion? sineater
  • Score: -1

12:16pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

Cushy ,I'm glad only m2 million immigrants are coming,Farrage said it was 27 !!,i'm sure you being such a hard working chap you will be able to train all the immigrants into being "grafters"
Cushy ,I'm glad only m2 million immigrants are coming,Farrage said it was 27 !!,i'm sure you being such a hard working chap you will be able to train all the immigrants into being "grafters" sineater
  • Score: -1

12:56pm Mon 9 Dec 13

ainemac says...

FFS the Falklands was 30 years ago. Thatcher is 6 feet under and this is completely irrelevant to the current state of the nation. Move on with your lives.
FFS the Falklands was 30 years ago. Thatcher is 6 feet under and this is completely irrelevant to the current state of the nation. Move on with your lives. ainemac
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Mon 9 Dec 13

ainemac says...

FFS the Falklands was 30 years ago. Thatcher is 6 feet under and bickering about it is completely irrelevant to the current state of the nation. Move on with your lives.
FFS the Falklands was 30 years ago. Thatcher is 6 feet under and bickering about it is completely irrelevant to the current state of the nation. Move on with your lives. ainemac
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
Tho ,Labour is happy to keep people in state funded support,iff 60% of workers did not claim benefits they would not survive.Are you suggesting that no support be given? bosses claim they can only pay a certain level of wages,so what do low paid workers do?
No I'm not saying there should not be support, but a level of support that that the country can afford. Low paid workers do and should get support. Bosses pay at a rate that they feel is sustainable to keep their business viable, that is their right. Also low paid workers have had massive tax cuts as a percentage of income.

If you don't like working for someone set up yourself, then you can decide how much to pay yourself.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: Tho ,Labour is happy to keep people in state funded support,iff 60% of workers did not claim benefits they would not survive.Are you suggesting that no support be given? bosses claim they can only pay a certain level of wages,so what do low paid workers do?[/p][/quote]No I'm not saying there should not be support, but a level of support that that the country can afford. Low paid workers do and should get support. Bosses pay at a rate that they feel is sustainable to keep their business viable, that is their right. Also low paid workers have had massive tax cuts as a percentage of income. If you don't like working for someone set up yourself, then you can decide how much to pay yourself. Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

So it is alright to claim benefits when your pay is low? the trouble is an employer pays what they can afford,but as tax payers they are still paying money indirectly to their workers through taxes.The way you worded it,labour supporting people through benefits was wrong,there would be no need at all for their support iff the cost of living weren't so high,and wages so low,it's like an never ending puzzle, with everyone being right and wrong at the same time !!
So it is alright to claim benefits when your pay is low? the trouble is an employer pays what they can afford,but as tax payers they are still paying money indirectly to their workers through taxes.The way you worded it,labour supporting people through benefits was wrong,there would be no need at all for their support iff the cost of living weren't so high,and wages so low,it's like an never ending puzzle, with everyone being right and wrong at the same time !! sineater
  • Score: 0

4:00pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

Ainemac,Yes I agree,but the tories are still crowing over their victory,there is never any victors in war,only dead soldiers and civilians.
Ainemac,Yes I agree,but the tories are still crowing over their victory,there is never any victors in war,only dead soldiers and civilians. sineater
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Mon 9 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

On international affairs generally, a right 'Go-lee' for sineater. I see the decent working class people in the UKRAINE are sick and tired of being handcuffed by Russia's brand of leftie- socialism. They have today ***smashed up a statue of ***LENIN in with *****sledgehammes*** and are on the verge of kicking their 'Moscow left wing puppet Chief Minister' out of office. Nice one Eh. As an added bonus even today the Falklands Islanders adore Maggie Thatcher and how she saved them from totalitarian 'Army Argentine corrupt dictatorship 'and have erected yet another statute to her. Another nice one ...Eh. Sineater.......... you still not have answered the question. Do you **work and EARN a living ?.
On international affairs generally, a right 'Go-lee' for sineater. I see the decent working class people in the UKRAINE are sick and tired of being handcuffed by Russia's brand of leftie- socialism. They have today ***smashed up a statue of ***LENIN in with *****sledgehammes*** and are on the verge of kicking their 'Moscow left wing puppet Chief Minister' out of office. Nice one Eh. As an added bonus even today the Falklands Islanders adore Maggie Thatcher and how she saved them from totalitarian 'Army Argentine corrupt dictatorship 'and have erected yet another statute to her. Another nice one ...Eh. Sineater.......... you still not have answered the question. Do you **work and EARN a living ?. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

4:36pm Mon 9 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

David Lacey.....First class comment from you......Many businesses will not come to the North East because it is infected with' 'chamber-potty nanny state trained dinosaur', left wing union plagued wasters' who are always demeaning Britain and our proud History and Culture. Their speel is virtually completely negative about anything decent in British Society. A bunch of commie-left wing whingers, who do nothing postive for Britain and most probalby never will.
David Lacey.....First class comment from you......Many businesses will not come to the North East because it is infected with' 'chamber-potty nanny state trained dinosaur', left wing union plagued wasters' who are always demeaning Britain and our proud History and Culture. Their speel is virtually completely negative about anything decent in British Society. A bunch of commie-left wing whingers, who do nothing postive for Britain and most probalby never will. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

left wing dinosaur unions,does that include Nissan,or are you making excuses for this government who seem more intent on destroying the welfare state,than creating work.Where is the positivity from this government,they U-turn so many times,and waste tax payers money,just seen IDS on tv denying that his department are escalating sanctions on job-seekers-bunch of liars.The tories changed rules governing union business decades ago,so what are you dribbling on about ?
left wing dinosaur unions,does that include Nissan,or are you making excuses for this government who seem more intent on destroying the welfare state,than creating work.Where is the positivity from this government,they U-turn so many times,and waste tax payers money,just seen IDS on tv denying that his department are escalating sanctions on job-seekers-bunch of liars.The tories changed rules governing union business decades ago,so what are you dribbling on about ? sineater
  • Score: 0

5:18pm Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

glad you mentioned the Ukraine cushy,would you care to think about why the topplred Lenins statue,they want closer ties with the e.u.,won't that be great iff they get their way-ha-ha.
glad you mentioned the Ukraine cushy,would you care to think about why the topplred Lenins statue,they want closer ties with the e.u.,won't that be great iff they get their way-ha-ha. sineater
  • Score: 0

6:48am Tue 10 Dec 13

elmo33 says...

BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS – CAMERONS QUOTE OF THE YEAR
“I do enjoy the weekly part of my job as Premier on Wednesdays at Prime Ministers Question Time ,its the only opportunity I get to see what my Government are up to “ .
We have gathered thats the way Wayward ID Smith is pouring Taxpayers Money down the Drain with his egotistical handling of Universal Credit .He maintains he has his finger on the pulse of the whole operation ,it is therefore time his lying hands were tied behind his back and give someone else a chance to rescue the botched procedure within fixed contracts until 2018 .
It was stated at the Parliamentary Committee’s Annual report Procedure yesterday that a JCP Advisor has repeatedly reported the abuse of Sanctions against Claimants but has been rebuffed by the powers that be also highlighting that the Transparent Whistle Blowers Charter is just another Sham exercise to appease Public disquiet over the Staffordshire Debacle . Money being earned from the back of Poverty .
I do believe there is systematic abuse by Advisers but the Whistle Blower should know his complaints would fall on deaf ears .If there is a Genuine Whistle Blower out there anywhere within the system please get in touch and we can start the ball rolling from the outside of the Establishment .We the Public are behind you 100% . http://brokenbritish
politics.simplesite.
com
BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS – CAMERONS QUOTE OF THE YEAR “I do enjoy the weekly part of my job as Premier on Wednesdays at Prime Ministers Question Time ,its the only opportunity I get to see what my Government are up to “ . We have gathered thats the way Wayward ID Smith is pouring Taxpayers Money down the Drain with his egotistical handling of Universal Credit .He maintains he has his finger on the pulse of the whole operation ,it is therefore time his lying hands were tied behind his back and give someone else a chance to rescue the botched procedure within fixed contracts until 2018 . It was stated at the Parliamentary Committee’s Annual report Procedure yesterday that a JCP Advisor has repeatedly reported the abuse of Sanctions against Claimants but has been rebuffed by the powers that be also highlighting that the Transparent Whistle Blowers Charter is just another Sham exercise to appease Public disquiet over the Staffordshire Debacle . Money being earned from the back of Poverty . I do believe there is systematic abuse by Advisers but the Whistle Blower should know his complaints would fall on deaf ears .If there is a Genuine Whistle Blower out there anywhere within the system please get in touch and we can start the ball rolling from the outside of the Establishment .We the Public are behind you 100% . http://brokenbritish politics.simplesite. com elmo33
  • Score: 0

6:49am Tue 10 Dec 13

elmo33 says...

BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS – CAMERONS QUOTE OF THE YEAR
“I do enjoy the weekly part of my job as Premier on Wednesdays at Prime Ministers Question Time ,its the only opportunity I get to see what my Government are up to “ .
We have gathered thats the way Wayward ID Smith is pouring Taxpayers Money down the Drain with his egotistical handling of Universal Credit .He maintains he has his finger on the pulse of the whole operation ,it is therefore time his lying hands were tied behind his back and give someone else a chance to rescue the botched procedure within fixed contracts until 2018 .
It was stated at the Parliamentary Committee’s Annual report Procedure yesterday that a JCP Advisor has repeatedly reported the abuse of Sanctions against Claimants but has been rebuffed by the powers that be also highlighting that the Transparent Whistle Blowers Charter is just another Sham exercise to appease Public disquiet over the Staffordshire Debacle . Money being earned from the back of Poverty .
I do believe there is systematic abuse by Advisers but the Whistle Blower should know his complaints would fall on deaf ears .If there is a Genuine Whistle Blower out there anywhere within the system please get in touch and we can start the ball rolling from the outside of the Establishment .We the Public are behind you 100% . http://brokenbritish
politics.simplesite.
com
BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS – CAMERONS QUOTE OF THE YEAR “I do enjoy the weekly part of my job as Premier on Wednesdays at Prime Ministers Question Time ,its the only opportunity I get to see what my Government are up to “ . We have gathered thats the way Wayward ID Smith is pouring Taxpayers Money down the Drain with his egotistical handling of Universal Credit .He maintains he has his finger on the pulse of the whole operation ,it is therefore time his lying hands were tied behind his back and give someone else a chance to rescue the botched procedure within fixed contracts until 2018 . It was stated at the Parliamentary Committee’s Annual report Procedure yesterday that a JCP Advisor has repeatedly reported the abuse of Sanctions against Claimants but has been rebuffed by the powers that be also highlighting that the Transparent Whistle Blowers Charter is just another Sham exercise to appease Public disquiet over the Staffordshire Debacle . Money being earned from the back of Poverty . I do believe there is systematic abuse by Advisers but the Whistle Blower should know his complaints would fall on deaf ears .If there is a Genuine Whistle Blower out there anywhere within the system please get in touch and we can start the ball rolling from the outside of the Establishment .We the Public are behind you 100% . http://brokenbritish politics.simplesite. com elmo33
  • Score: 0

9:57am Tue 10 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

****Universal Credit for the ****idle. Christmas ALL year round for many. and has been for decades. in Britain .Over 5O Families in plus Britain receiving over £7O,OOO per annum, for sitting at home doing **NO job of work. What pathetic 'Leftie-Labourite political mindset' thought of this disgusting *****discriminatory*
**** system when idle workshy punters get Tax Free State/Welfare Benefits of ****£7O,OOO.**** Hundreds of Thousands of benefit claimants are also on ****£26,OOO ****a Year for doing **NO**** job of work, What a shocking disgusting System, both against and an insult to decent working class people and thank goodness Cameron had the political guts to give this' pig idle Benefit system' a hefty kick up the 'free benefit state scrounger' backside. Costing the working British Taxpayers BILLIONS.
****Universal Credit for the ****idle. Christmas ALL year round for many. and has been for decades. in Britain .Over 5O Families in plus Britain receiving over £7O,OOO per annum, for sitting at home doing **NO job of work. What pathetic 'Leftie-Labourite political mindset' thought of this disgusting *****discriminatory* **** system when idle workshy punters get Tax Free State/Welfare Benefits of ****£7O,OOO.**** Hundreds of Thousands of benefit claimants are also on ****£26,OOO ****a Year for doing **NO**** job of work, What a shocking disgusting System, both against and an insult to decent working class people and thank goodness Cameron had the political guts to give this' pig idle Benefit system' a hefty kick up the 'free benefit state scrounger' backside. Costing the working British Taxpayers BILLIONS. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Duke of Aycliffe says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
Parts of the north east are still trapped in a 'Bobby Thompson' (The cloth capped geordie little waster), firmly stuck in a negative union mentality time-warp. Many living there still cannot think for themselves when it comes to politics and/or important national issues, for example my great, great, great, great Grandad voted Labour......... so then will I. 'Fags, betting and Booze' and constant whinging of the ancient record, 'What a bad time we have had in the past' and the world owes us all a living'. ....., still play an important part of 'North East Culture'. For decades the North East have had an inferiority complex (mentioned the 'south of England' and you get the repeated boring ignorant staid reply and fixed look).. I doubt if your typical man in the street,...' North Easterner' could name just three southern counties of England, never mind te capital City of China. Sadly many North Easterners still have been 'no where and done nothing', apart from the local pub.. Most North Easterners could not even point out the second biggest economy in the world namely China, on a world map.. Another factor is business and industry wise the south of England is on mainland Europe's doorstep compared with todays north east's minaturised industrial backwater.
Essex, Kent, Surrey that alright for you, Cushy railway grafter? I'd love to know where you get all of your information from. Which parts of the North East are still stuck in the "Bobby Thompson" negative union mentality?
Most young kids up here wouldn't have a clue who Bobby Thompson was & why should they?
You bang on every week about the North East & how bad it is & about it's population, sounds like you hate the place. If the North East is so bad, why don't you clear off somewhere else.
How many "Southeasterners" could name 3 Northern counties & what difference does it make. The North East is a wonderful place with wonderful people no matter who they vote for. This region will always lag behind the South in many ways, we certainly can't match them on population. Stop knocking the place or go somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Parts of the north east are still trapped in a 'Bobby Thompson' (The cloth capped geordie little waster), firmly stuck in a negative union mentality time-warp. Many living there still cannot think for themselves when it comes to politics and/or important national issues, for example my great, great, great, great Grandad voted Labour......... so then will I. 'Fags, betting and Booze' and constant whinging of the ancient record, 'What a bad time we have had in the past' and the world owes us all a living'. ....., still play an important part of 'North East Culture'. For decades the North East have had an inferiority complex (mentioned the 'south of England' and you get the repeated boring ignorant staid reply and fixed look).. I doubt if your typical man in the street,...' North Easterner' could name just three southern counties of England, never mind te capital City of China. Sadly many North Easterners still have been 'no where and done nothing', apart from the local pub.. Most North Easterners could not even point out the second biggest economy in the world namely China, on a world map.. Another factor is business and industry wise the south of England is on mainland Europe's doorstep compared with todays north east's minaturised industrial backwater.[/p][/quote]Essex, Kent, Surrey that alright for you, Cushy railway grafter? I'd love to know where you get all of your information from. Which parts of the North East are still stuck in the "Bobby Thompson" negative union mentality? Most young kids up here wouldn't have a clue who Bobby Thompson was & why should they? You bang on every week about the North East & how bad it is & about it's population, sounds like you hate the place. If the North East is so bad, why don't you clear off somewhere else. How many "Southeasterners" could name 3 Northern counties & what difference does it make. The North East is a wonderful place with wonderful people no matter who they vote for. This region will always lag behind the South in many ways, we certainly can't match them on population. Stop knocking the place or go somewhere else. Duke of Aycliffe
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

I have never denied that the North East has a industrial Heritage, 'second to none' but you cannot deny it has always been and still to a degree negatively intorvert and clannish. A ***minority of the people in the north east could be a lot more positive and to improve the image of the area, instead the 'chip on their shoulder' whinging that the State owes them a living. The majority of people in he North East are hardworking and decent people but some remain in a 'negative doom laden political biased time-warp'. Physically and enviromentaliy many parts of the North East do need to be cleaned up if they want to present some sort of decent local enviroment and attract new businesses to the area. I rest my case.
I have never denied that the North East has a industrial Heritage, 'second to none' but you cannot deny it has always been and still to a degree negatively intorvert and clannish. A ***minority of the people in the north east could be a lot more positive and to improve the image of the area, instead the 'chip on their shoulder' whinging that the State owes them a living. The majority of people in he North East are hardworking and decent people but some remain in a 'negative doom laden political biased time-warp'. Physically and enviromentaliy many parts of the North East do need to be cleaned up if they want to present some sort of decent local enviroment and attract new businesses to the area. I rest my case. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Tue 10 Dec 13

sineater says...

Some areas need cleaning up,all the ex-pit villages have been cleaned up,with new housing and industrial estates where the pits used to be, you need to get out more Cushy,instead of sitting alone at home criticising everyone ,and everything.
Some areas need cleaning up,all the ex-pit villages have been cleaned up,with new housing and industrial estates where the pits used to be, you need to get out more Cushy,instead of sitting alone at home criticising everyone ,and everything. sineater
  • Score: 0

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