Mount Oswald Golf Course plan gains planning approval

A CONTROVERSIAL multi-million pound housing development has been granted planning permission.

Members of Durham County Council’s County Planning committee have, in the last hour, backed the £200m plans for Mount Oswald Golf Course, in Durham City, by a majority vote.

Banks Property has been given permission to build nearly 300 homes on the 95-acre site, along with accommodation for 1,000 students as well as offices and community facilities.

The company claimed the development would boost economic growth in the city but opponents, including Durham MP Roberta Blackman-Woods, were concerned over traffic issues and loss of green space.

More than 2,000 people signed a petition opposing the scheme and 500 letters have been sent to the council.

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4:34pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Odd how schemes involving the destruction of the greenbelt always seem to be approved in Durham when major developers are involved - one thinks of the riverbank by the old pool and now this.
Odd how schemes involving the destruction of the greenbelt always seem to be approved in Durham when major developers are involved - one thinks of the riverbank by the old pool and now this. Voice-of-reality

5:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13

scprof says...

Durham County Council. Kerching!!!!!!

But then the extra money that they are being bunged will then to be spent on extending the schools in the area. How about building the extra infrastructure first before letting housing developments that destroy public leisure facilities be built.

I am sure that the Banks PR manager will be getting a big pat in the back after this shocking decision,
Durham County Council. Kerching!!!!!! But then the extra money that they are being bunged will then to be spent on extending the schools in the area. How about building the extra infrastructure first before letting housing developments that destroy public leisure facilities be built. I am sure that the Banks PR manager will be getting a big pat in the back after this shocking decision, scprof

6:37pm Tue 5 Feb 13

The Grim North says...

If RBW is so concerned about loss of green space why does she not object to uncontrolled mass imigration into the UK. The two things are incompatible.
If RBW is so concerned about loss of green space why does she not object to uncontrolled mass imigration into the UK. The two things are incompatible. The Grim North

7:41pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Birdyy says...

To be honest a golf course was of no use to me. In the absence of other options why not houses. I hope they use a good architect.

At least the student places will reduce impact of landlords on city centre.
To be honest a golf course was of no use to me. In the absence of other options why not houses. I hope they use a good architect. At least the student places will reduce impact of landlords on city centre. Birdyy

8:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Voice-of-reality says...

No - it will enable the university to expand further (given the reforms of Gove) -pushing up demand
No - it will enable the university to expand further (given the reforms of Gove) -pushing up demand Voice-of-reality

8:33pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Birdyy says...

Oh: i thought tuition fees was reducing demand
Oh: i thought tuition fees was reducing demand Birdyy

9:25pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Actually, the latest figures from UCAS suggest that is not the case and Durham can also have unlimited numbers of AAB students under the new guidelines - so Durham will continue to grow
Actually, the latest figures from UCAS suggest that is not the case and Durham can also have unlimited numbers of AAB students under the new guidelines - so Durham will continue to grow Voice-of-reality

9:36pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Birdyy says...

I see. They won't be playing golf in future!
I see. They won't be playing golf in future! Birdyy

9:49pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Voice-of-reality says...

But that worthwhile degree 'golf course management' is still available in some parts of the country
But that worthwhile degree 'golf course management' is still available in some parts of the country Voice-of-reality

11:18pm Tue 5 Feb 13

scprof says...

Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths.

It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc.
Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths. It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc. scprof

12:06am Wed 6 Feb 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Here's an idea - encourage the university not to move into an old hall at st oswald's but rather develop an old hall in the city centre for accommodation - oh whoops they sold it; claiming that possession of an old hall was not 'in keeping with the universities new image' (epitomised by that ghastly purple potato stamp on the side of Bill Bryson library), whereas an old hall in the form of st. oswald's is.....

lunatics, asylum, palatine centre?
Here's an idea - encourage the university not to move into an old hall at st oswald's but rather develop an old hall in the city centre for accommodation - oh whoops they sold it; claiming that possession of an old hall was not 'in keeping with the universities new image' (epitomised by that ghastly purple potato stamp on the side of Bill Bryson library), whereas an old hall in the form of st. oswald's is..... lunatics, asylum, palatine centre? Voice-of-reality

11:04am Wed 6 Feb 13

jrl_at_dt says...

DCC could have kicked this application back to the Developers (and the University) and told them to come back with a proposal that has the support of local residents.

In approving the application DCC have demonstrated their utter contempt for the views of hundreds local people.

By ignoring the objections of so many local people DCC have demonstrated clearly that their consultations on planning decisions/policy, e.g. on the emerging Local Plan, are totally bogus.
I guess we all knew this already.

It is a very sad day for local democracy.
DCC could have kicked this application back to the Developers (and the University) and told them to come back with a proposal that has the support of local residents. In approving the application DCC have demonstrated their utter contempt for the views of hundreds local people. By ignoring the objections of so many local people DCC have demonstrated clearly that their consultations on planning decisions/policy, e.g. on the emerging Local Plan, are totally bogus. I guess we all knew this already. It is a very sad day for local democracy. jrl_at_dt

12:08pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Birdyy says...

scprof wrote:
Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths. It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc.
Done the maths

Looks like this will mean 1000 less students in the centre given the projections.

Surely this is a must
[quote][p][bold]scprof[/bold] wrote: Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths. It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc.[/p][/quote]Done the maths Looks like this will mean 1000 less students in the centre given the projections. Surely this is a must Birdyy

12:12pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Birdyy says...

jrl_at_dt wrote:
DCC could have kicked this application back to the Developers (and the University) and told them to come back with a proposal that has the support of local residents. In approving the application DCC have demonstrated their utter contempt for the views of hundreds local people. By ignoring the objections of so many local people DCC have demonstrated clearly that their consultations on planning decisions/policy, e.g. on the emerging Local Plan, are totally bogus. I guess we all knew this already. It is a very sad day for local democracy.
Why is this bad local democracy? Did we not vote these people in?

Maybe all matters of local planning should be put to the vote? How would this be done?
[quote][p][bold]jrl_at_dt[/bold] wrote: DCC could have kicked this application back to the Developers (and the University) and told them to come back with a proposal that has the support of local residents. In approving the application DCC have demonstrated their utter contempt for the views of hundreds local people. By ignoring the objections of so many local people DCC have demonstrated clearly that their consultations on planning decisions/policy, e.g. on the emerging Local Plan, are totally bogus. I guess we all knew this already. It is a very sad day for local democracy.[/p][/quote]Why is this bad local democracy? Did we not vote these people in? Maybe all matters of local planning should be put to the vote? How would this be done? Birdyy

12:59pm Wed 6 Feb 13

NJGR26 says...

Birdyy wrote:
scprof wrote: Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths. It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc.
Done the maths Looks like this will mean 1000 less students in the centre given the projections. Surely this is a must
This obviously assumes:

a) the students want to live in halls of residence rather than a private house

b) the landlords are going to accept the multiple income streams they have will be closed and they are prepared to change their rental proirities from multiple occupancy back to single family homes

You are as niave as the coucil if you think this will happen !
[quote][p][bold]Birdyy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scprof[/bold] wrote: Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths. It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc.[/p][/quote]Done the maths Looks like this will mean 1000 less students in the centre given the projections. Surely this is a must[/p][/quote]This obviously assumes: a) the students want to live in halls of residence rather than a private house b) the landlords are going to accept the multiple income streams they have will be closed and they are prepared to change their rental proirities from multiple occupancy back to single family homes You are as niave as the coucil if you think this will happen ! NJGR26

3:07pm Wed 6 Feb 13

scprof says...

Birdyy wrote:
scprof wrote:
Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths. It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc.
Done the maths

Looks like this will mean 1000 less students in the centre given the projections.

Surely this is a must
People in the City Centre , ie an ex mayoress want the students out of the City, but because there are extra students coming into the University, this will not happen.

The University needs to look at building a much larger new campus to account for this increase on a site like Houghall.
[quote][p][bold]Birdyy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scprof[/bold] wrote: Some people are arguing that it will help to get students out of houses in the City Centre. There will be about 1000 student beds included. The University is expecting to have over 2000 extra students by 2020. You do the Maths. It's more than just losing a well used leisure facility that is open to everybody. There is the extra traffic, extra pressure on school places, loss of green space etc.[/p][/quote]Done the maths Looks like this will mean 1000 less students in the centre given the projections. Surely this is a must[/p][/quote]People in the City Centre , ie an ex mayoress want the students out of the City, but because there are extra students coming into the University, this will not happen. The University needs to look at building a much larger new campus to account for this increase on a site like Houghall. scprof

3:09pm Wed 6 Feb 13

scprof says...

Also with the expected development of Aykley Heads which is expected to be similar priced housing as to what Banks plan to desecrate Mount Oswald with, is there enough buyers who can afford the houses, or will we end up with another Sheraton Park development, which is still un-finished after Banks grabbed some money and did a runner.
Also with the expected development of Aykley Heads which is expected to be similar priced housing as to what Banks plan to desecrate Mount Oswald with, is there enough buyers who can afford the houses, or will we end up with another Sheraton Park development, which is still un-finished after Banks grabbed some money and did a runner. scprof

3:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

scprof says...

Yet more green space destroyed by our money grabbing council, who put forward the needs of rich people and students before the people of Durham. Do we really need more retail space? No. Do we need yet more student homes to support a greedy university that wants money for every student it can get? No. Do we need more yuppy homes for rich people from out of the area rather than affordable housing for people born and bred in Durham? No we don't. But the council doesn't care what we want or think, hence more mindful destruction of green space in what was a lovely city, but is rapidly becoming a concrete metropolis where the rich and student landlords become richer and the locals watch as the city we love morph into a place that lacks character. The council planners want sacking.
Yet more green space destroyed by our money grabbing council, who put forward the needs of rich people and students before the people of Durham. Do we really need more retail space? No. Do we need yet more student homes to support a greedy university that wants money for every student it can get? No. Do we need more yuppy homes for rich people from out of the area rather than affordable housing for people born and bred in Durham? No we don't. But the council doesn't care what we want or think, hence more mindful destruction of green space in what was a lovely city, but is rapidly becoming a concrete metropolis where the rich and student landlords become richer and the locals watch as the city we love morph into a place that lacks character. The council planners want sacking. scprof

3:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

scprof says...

http://www.savemount
oswald.co.uk/#
http://www.savemount oswald.co.uk/# scprof

3:18pm Wed 6 Feb 13

scprof says...

Letter from Roberta Blackman-Woods



Dear All,

Re: Mount Oswald Decision

You may have heard that Durham Committee Council Planning Committee today approved the Banks Group’s outline planning application to build 291 houses, 1000 student bed spaces and office and retail space on the Mount Oswald golf course. I am contacting you all as you previously attended the Public Meeting.

I am sure you will agree that this is really disappointing news for Durham and I am sorry that all your hard work opposing the application did not stop the plans being passed.

I intend to call a meeting in the next couple of weeks to discuss possible options. The action we can take at this stage will depend what you, as local residents, wish to do. I think it will be good for us to look at the situation and make an assessment based on the options. I hope you are able to attend the meeting.

Please email

aimee.roberts@parlia
ment.uk

to express an interest in attending such a meeting.

Best wishes,

Roberta

Roberta Blackman-Woods MP
Shadow Communities and Local Government Minister
Member of Parliament for City of Durham
House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
Letter from Roberta Blackman-Woods Dear All, Re: Mount Oswald Decision You may have heard that Durham Committee Council Planning Committee today approved the Banks Group’s outline planning application to build 291 houses, 1000 student bed spaces and office and retail space on the Mount Oswald golf course. I am contacting you all as you previously attended the Public Meeting. I am sure you will agree that this is really disappointing news for Durham and I am sorry that all your hard work opposing the application did not stop the plans being passed. I intend to call a meeting in the next couple of weeks to discuss possible options. The action we can take at this stage will depend what you, as local residents, wish to do. I think it will be good for us to look at the situation and make an assessment based on the options. I hope you are able to attend the meeting. Please email aimee.roberts@parlia ment.uk to express an interest in attending such a meeting. Best wishes, Roberta Roberta Blackman-Woods MP Shadow Communities and Local Government Minister Member of Parliament for City of Durham House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA scprof

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