Daughter criticises seven-hour wait in County Durham A&E for father, 77 (From The Northern Echo)

Disgraceful. More money than ever is being spent on the NHS. Where is it going?

Hang on a minute, if A&E was busy what do these people expect? A dislodged catheter can hardly be described as an emergency so why was he taken to A&E? In a ruddy ambulance for gods sake? And then taken home in one? The reason the department was busy was because people go there with complaints that should be presented to either their GP or a duty nurse or doctor at a walk in centre. To be adding to a problem and then have the gall to complain about highlights the moronic me first and sod everyone else attitude prevelant in todays society.

This is what 'they' keep trying to bang into us.

Replacing a catheter does not require A&E. It is neither. Worst case scenario, kidney infection....which this poor gentleman may have now anyway........

Any walk-in centre would have done it in a jiffy......unless there's something here we haven't been told about.

So tired of the 'walking well' assuming they get seen immediately. No, the lad who electrocutes himself on the railway line gets seen first, or the drunken fool that's split their head open.....I know, I know......

And it took her 5 and a half hours to get there from Spennymoor. Did she walk there on her hands? And what with all the ambulances queueing outside they had to wait over three hours to get a lift home in one,may i suggest that if you havent got a car a taxi might be a good idea in future. I know ive already commented but this type of hypocrisy,not to mention gross stupidity really annoys me.

David Lacey wrote:
Disgraceful. More money than ever is being spent on the NHS. Where is it going?

Where is it going?
Cost efficiency savings thats where, which in plain simple language equates to taking it out without putting any more in. The NHS is expected to save £20 billion from 2011 to 2014 without any year on year budgetary increase in real terms. It's standing still against a background of rising prices and it needs 3.5% increase year on year just to standstill.
When the NHS grandees take away irrelevant targets, realise that front line staff should be caring for people instead of punching away at inefficient computer systems to record events in real time, dismantles all the meaningless departments within departments like the institute for innovation, kicks into touch the worthless initiatives like productive wards that takes the staff away from their real focus, patients, The list is endless, it just goes on and on.
The NHS needs to get back to its core values of
meeting the needs of everyone
being free at the point of delivery
and that its based on clinical need, not ability to pay, then we may just get back the NHS we deserve.

David Lacey wrote:
Disgraceful. More money than ever is being spent on the NHS. Where is it going?

Cameron has recently been asked by the head of the UK Statistics Authority to stop saying that NHS spending has increased under his watch since in real terms it has actually fallen.

Yet another Tory lie like his 1 million new private sector jobs statement which he trots out every PMQ's. (Half of which are simply re-classifications of public sector jobs to private).

BWNOL

Wait until the Bulgarians and Romanians arrive here on top of all the other freeloaders and health tourists. This is not a a national health service - its an International Health Service, problem is its only funded by about 30million of the UK's working population. Why are we not like all other western nations who charge for patient services up front, havent got the means to pay in their country and you dont get treated!

Some points to note, I wonder if you agree:
1.They have to treat people according to need.
2.A more appropriate service should have been given via 111 that I assume they phoned.
3. Concentrating specialism might sound bright but I would rather have a uniformly very good outcome than the outcome today which seems to be either poor or outstanding depending on your travel time and waiting time.
4. In an era of so called austerity it is completely bamboozling the number of consultations, reviews, often asking our views.
eg. We understand you don't like us closing your A&E at Bishop so we would like to ask you how to do it your choices are a, b and c.....oh sorry none of which actually include keeping the emergency dept that your worried about.

But the fact remains that there are an awful lot of people going to A&E who have no need to. It doesnt matter who the blame for anything can be pointed at the fact remains that there is an element in society who love going to hospital simply for a bit of attention or because they have nothing better to do and no sense of responsibility or consideration.

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es wrote:
But the fact remains that there are an awful lot of people going to A&E who have no need to. It doesnt matter who the blame for anything can be pointed at the fact remains that there is an element in society who love going to hospital simply for a bit of attention or because they have nothing better to do and no sense of responsibility or consideration.

I agree, though sometimes the 111 system maybe to blame, it is more often than not drunken and/or silly behaviour. Personally for the drunk who needs a bed purely due to his own behaviour I would say a nominal fine £50 would put most off future adventures....dear night out. I also think people choosing to do very dangerous things without precautions should be fined, you know the ones that decide to go up the peak district in winter wearing trainers and a cardigan.

An interesting point Ian

As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es wrote:
Hang on a minute, if A&E was busy what do these people expect? A dislodged catheter can hardly be described as an emergency so why was he taken to A&E? In a ruddy ambulance for gods sake? And then taken home in one? The reason the department was busy was because people go there with complaints that should be presented to either their GP or a duty nurse or doctor at a walk in centre. To be adding to a problem and then have the gall to complain about highlights the moronic me first and sod everyone else attitude prevelant in todays society.

hear,hear,nursing staff do a great job.

What do you expect when the NHS is being wound down in favour of Privatisation. The biggest data grab in NHS history is to take place this year, to be collected by IT firm ATOS. They intend to gain contracts with your employers to assess employees if they become sick and also want to sell you health insurance.

I've personally waited in a completely empty A&E department (Darlington Memorial) for more than half an hour to be seen. I've seen Doctors & Nurses alike just sat around talking and doing whatever and they know there are people waiting to be seen. It's all about attitude - and the attitude of a lot if these people is not conducive to medically caring for vulnerable sick people in need of urgent care. So this comes as no surprise at all.

The people who work in these places have NO speed about them at all. They saunter around like they have all the time in the world.

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Respect is a two way street, we are all human but some feel they are entitled to the best yet behave the worst. This is not directed at this particular case rather a general comment on A&E in response to your words.
Your assumption seems much more of a preconceived ill judged opinion than PANDORICA (who I presume acts in a professional manor when working). My son once got in a bit of a state though booze but at least he phoned me to pick him up and did not ring 999 wasting valuable time.

IanfromCrook wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Respect is a two way street, we are all human but some feel they are entitled to the best yet behave the worst. This is not directed at this particular case rather a general comment on A&E in response to your words.
Your assumption seems much more of a preconceived ill judged opinion than PANDORICA (who I presume acts in a professional manor when working). My son once got in a bit of a state though booze but at least he phoned me to pick him up and did not ring 999 wasting valuable time.

I agree, respect Is a two way thing - who could argue with that? I also agree that the behavior and attitude of some of the undesirables who walk into A&E leaves a lot to be desired. But there are systems in place to deal with that.

And never forget that the training and professionalism of A&E personnel is supposed to equip them to deal with these scenarios. And the last thing the're supposed to do is come on here telling the world about how they judge people who walk in the door before they've even attended to them. That's preconceived and dangerous

Pandorica is a disgrace and should be sacked for gross misconduct.

Oh by the way, I didn't assume, have preconceived ideas or ill judgement about anything - I simply responded to the statement given previously by a supposed professional medical worker.

You, on the other hand 'assumed' the pandorica behaved in a professional manner when working - something they clearly don't as stated in their very own words.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

IanfromCrook wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Respect is a two way street, we are all human but some feel they are entitled to the best yet behave the worst. This is not directed at this particular case rather a general comment on A&E in response to your words.
Your assumption seems much more of a preconceived ill judged opinion than PANDORICA (who I presume acts in a professional manor when working). My son once got in a bit of a state though booze but at least he phoned me to pick him up and did not ring 999 wasting valuable time.

I agree, respect Is a two way thing - who could argue with that? I also agree that the behavior and attitude of some of the undesirables who walk into A&E leaves a lot to be desired. But there are systems in place to deal with that.

And never forget that the training and professionalism of A&E personnel is supposed to equip them to deal with these scenarios. And the last thing the're supposed to do is come on here telling the world about how they judge people who walk in the door before they've even attended to them. That's preconceived and dangerous

Pandorica is a disgrace and should be sacked for gross misconduct.

Oh by the way, I didn't assume, have preconceived ideas or ill judgement about anything - I simply responded to the statement given previously by a supposed professional medical worker.

You, on the other hand 'assumed' the pandorica behaved in a professional manner when working - something they clearly don't as stated in their very own words.

I try to think the best of people, and based on personal experience, believe the vast majority of NHS staff do behave in a professional manor.....therefore its not such a jump to believe Pandorica is part of the majority. On the other hand expressing your personal concerns/feelings on a comment thread in no way prohibits you from acting correctly at work. I did not think her words were so extreme that it would indicate that her actions would be influenced. Your words seemed a disproportionately strong response to what I see as a reasonable comment.............
Maybe we should agree to disagree on this point as from your response I think that our perception of the original comment are miles apart.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

IanfromCrook wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Respect is a two way street, we are all human but some feel they are entitled to the best yet behave the worst. This is not directed at this particular case rather a general comment on A&E in response to your words.
Your assumption seems much more of a preconceived ill judged opinion than PANDORICA (who I presume acts in a professional manor when working). My son once got in a bit of a state though booze but at least he phoned me to pick him up and did not ring 999 wasting valuable time.

I agree, respect Is a two way thing - who could argue with that? I also agree that the behavior and attitude of some of the undesirables who walk into A&E leaves a lot to be desired. But there are systems in place to deal with that.

And never forget that the training and professionalism of A&E personnel is supposed to equip them to deal with these scenarios. And the last thing the're supposed to do is come on here telling the world about how they judge people who walk in the door before they've even attended to them. That's preconceived and dangerous

Pandorica is a disgrace and should be sacked for gross misconduct.

Oh by the way, I didn't assume, have preconceived ideas or ill judgement about anything - I simply responded to the statement given previously by a supposed professional medical worker.

You, on the other hand 'assumed' the pandorica behaved in a professional manner when working - something they clearly don't as stated in their very own words.

Wow all of that cos you had to wait half an hour boohoohoo.

IanfromCrook wrote:

outragedofmiltonkeyn

es wrote:
But the fact remains that there are an awful lot of people going to A&E who have no need to. It doesnt matter who the blame for anything can be pointed at the fact remains that there is an element in society who love going to hospital simply for a bit of attention or because they have nothing better to do and no sense of responsibility or consideration.

I agree, though sometimes the 111 system maybe to blame, it is more often than not drunken and/or silly behaviour. Personally for the drunk who needs a bed purely due to his own behaviour I would say a nominal fine £50 would put most off future adventures....dear night out. I also think people choosing to do very dangerous things without precautions should be fined, you know the ones that decide to go up the peak district in winter wearing trainers and a cardigan.

B.l.o.o.d. y. well said.....
I have been saying this for years...
Any person who is admitted to hospital through drink related actions, should be given a fixed penalty fine of £80....
You would soon see the amount of A and E admissions drop by 3 quarters....
Time for the government to introduce a law doing this...That would be the first time most of the country would agree with the Con / Lib coalition....
Would any other family have taken their family member by car or by taxi? Well i could say probably a big fat "Yes "...

Blankface wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

IanfromCrook wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Respect is a two way street, we are all human but some feel they are entitled to the best yet behave the worst. This is not directed at this particular case rather a general comment on A&E in response to your words.
Your assumption seems much more of a preconceived ill judged opinion than PANDORICA (who I presume acts in a professional manor when working). My son once got in a bit of a state though booze but at least he phoned me to pick him up and did not ring 999 wasting valuable time.

I agree, respect Is a two way thing - who could argue with that? I also agree that the behavior and attitude of some of the undesirables who walk into A&E leaves a lot to be desired. But there are systems in place to deal with that.

And never forget that the training and professionalism of A&E personnel is supposed to equip them to deal with these scenarios. And the last thing the're supposed to do is come on here telling the world about how they judge people who walk in the door before they've even attended to them. That's preconceived and dangerous

Pandorica is a disgrace and should be sacked for gross misconduct.

Oh by the way, I didn't assume, have preconceived ideas or ill judgement about anything - I simply responded to the statement given previously by a supposed professional medical worker.

You, on the other hand 'assumed' the pandorica behaved in a professional manner when working - something they clearly don't as stated in their very own words.

Wow all of that cos you had to wait half an hour boohoohoo.

Oh be quiet you pathetic child.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Really? this coming for you who complains at sitting in your local A&E waiting room for over half an hour apparently empty and the nurses and doctors according to you were doing nothing. Yes it is my job to judge. I have to judge who is seen first based on their reason for coming down to A&E, so in your case if you were sat for just half an hour, then come on here complaining about it making personal comments about my professionalism then i WILL assume you are one of these people who drain our NHS by complaining about stuff you could of probably gone to your GP about. If the staff in your A&E triaged you according to your history that you gave you clearly were breathng enough to moan then you did not require being seen to immediately. And yes i will say what i think. I made a general comment about the type of timewasters who abuse the system to get free taxis home from night outs, who think they can kick off and complain and expect us to treat them with respect when they dont show us any, and yes you probably fit into that bracket. So from other posts i have read that you have commented on, you dare have the nerve to say i should be sacked for gross miscinduct,and i shouldnt judge people and make assumptions, this coming from you who clearly has judged my professionalism. I have read posts on here when you have judged the travelling community and accused them of allsorts. Im dam good at my job and i show true respect and professionalism to all my patients, so dont dare question my professionalism you muppet. Its people like you who kick up the biggest fuss over the smallest of problems. Your personal attack against my character has been noted. Fool.

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Really? this coming for you who complains at sitting in your local A&E waiting room for over half an hour apparently empty and the nurses and doctors according to you were doing nothing. Yes it is my job to judge. I have to judge who is seen first based on their reason for coming down to A&E, so in your case if you were sat for just half an hour, then come on here complaining about it making personal comments about my professionalism then i WILL assume you are one of these people who drain our NHS by complaining about stuff you could of probably gone to your GP about. If the staff in your A&E triaged you according to your history that you gave you clearly were breathng enough to moan then you did not require being seen to immediately. And yes i will say what i think. I made a general comment about the type of timewasters who abuse the system to get free taxis home from night outs, who think they can kick off and complain and expect us to treat them with respect when they dont show us any, and yes you probably fit into that bracket. So from other posts i have read that you have commented on, you dare have the nerve to say i should be sacked for gross miscinduct,and i shouldnt judge people and make assumptions, this coming from you who clearly has judged my professionalism. I have read posts on here when you have judged the travelling community and accused them of allsorts. Im dam good at my job and i show true respect and professionalism to all my patients, so dont dare question my professionalism you muppet. Its people like you who kick up the biggest fuss over the smallest of problems. Your personal attack against my character has been noted. Fool.

It is NOT your job to judge anyone who walks through the doors of an A&E department you fool.

No wonder the NHS is in such an appalling state if they're employing idiots like you.

you should be sacked immediately for such a disgraceful lack of professionalism.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

I'm amazed you're working in a hospital environment with your shocking attitude towards those who come in for treatment.

It's a very slippery slope to take, being so judgmental of people in need of medical treatment - What next, you'll keep people waiting because you don't like the way they smell? or the clothes they're wearing?.

It's not your job to judge - It's your job to treat people with compassion, respect and professionalism. With people like you working in our hospitals, no wonder the wards are so bad. I'd resign immediately if I was you, before your ridiculous assumptions and preconceived ideas put someones life at risk.

Really? this coming for you who complains at sitting in your local A&E waiting room for over half an hour apparently empty and the nurses and doctors according to you were doing nothing. Yes it is my job to judge. I have to judge who is seen first based on their reason for coming down to A&E, so in your case if you were sat for just half an hour, then come on here complaining about it making personal comments about my professionalism then i WILL assume you are one of these people who drain our NHS by complaining about stuff you could of probably gone to your GP about. If the staff in your A&E triaged you according to your history that you gave you clearly were breathng enough to moan then you did not require being seen to immediately. And yes i will say what i think. I made a general comment about the type of timewasters who abuse the system to get free taxis home from night outs, who think they can kick off and complain and expect us to treat them with respect when they dont show us any, and yes you probably fit into that bracket. So from other posts i have read that you have commented on, you dare have the nerve to say i should be sacked for gross miscinduct,and i shouldnt judge people and make assumptions, this coming from you who clearly has judged my professionalism. I have read posts on here when you have judged the travelling community and accused them of allsorts. Im dam good at my job and i show true respect and professionalism to all my patients, so dont dare question my professionalism you muppet. Its people like you who kick up the biggest fuss over the smallest of problems. Your personal attack against my character has been noted. Fool.

It is NOT your job to judge anyone who walks through the doors of an A&E department you fool.

No wonder the NHS is in such an appalling state if they're employing idiots like you.

you should be sacked immediately for such a disgraceful lack of professionalism.

Oh and I'd like to add that the reason 'our' NHS is so drained as you put it, is because of the amount of deadwood that it's carrying ......Like YOU!

Once we get that massive problem sorted, then It'll run a lot more efficiently.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Call yourself a medical professional. Don't make me laugh!

No the only person laughing here is me, simply at you. You would pick a fight in an empty room. So seen as you clearly think you can judge me and my work ethic and then have the nerve to question it with your completely over the top comments, I would like to invite you to come spend a couple of shifts working with me in my department? If I am going to be accused of those things you have called me for then at least have the nerve to say it to my face after our shifts have finished? I deal with all kinds of people from all walks of life, and I treat everyone withe same respect, dignity and professionalism that I would expect if it was my family. You are a rude, I'll informed troll who is full of his own importance. I look forward to your reply. And of interest what profession are you in? Seems good communication skills isn't one of your strong points. I don't take kindly to your accusations on my character. The original comment I made was to inform the readers of how the system is abused, I never made any personal comments about anyone. Facts are facts. I dare say if you speak to any of my patients the way you spoke of me then you will probably be on the receiving end of someone's fist. I am able to deal with anything thrown at me, including cretins such as yourself.

The medical profession, rather like society, has the full spectrum of people, some will care less than others, but I think that the majority of them, especially nurses, care about their patients and the job they do. They'd hardly do it for the money. On the face of it I don't think the daughter comes out of this very well. Why would you complain to a regional paper about a long wait for what was, after all, not an emergency? I would say she was simply **** off and felt they'd not been treated quickly enough. I was admitted on a Friday night with a heart attack to A&E and there were almost as many police there as nurses. Two lads were unconcious with drink and the man in the next bed had been drinking with his medication when he had been asked not to. When they asked him about the amount he said he had only drunk a TUMBLER full of vodka. I was admitted at around 18.00 and was not admitted to intensive care until midnight. However the staff checked on me regularly and I have every confidence that they working on priorities, but simply overwhelmed with drunks and patients who perhaps should not have been there. I have the highest praise for all those who treated me. the ambulance crew made a special call to see I was OK before they went out on their next call. Its results that matter and I think the staff work well under a lot of pressure. In hindsight I'm rather surprised that The Echo gave such prominence to a long wait for a patient who was not strictly an emergency. Sorry to rabbit on but this type of moaning tends to get give people the wrong impression.

pandorica wrote:
No the only person laughing here is me, simply at you. You would pick a fight in an empty room. So seen as you clearly think you can judge me and my work ethic and then have the nerve to question it with your completely over the top comments, I would like to invite you to come spend a couple of shifts working with me in my department? If I am going to be accused of those things you have called me for then at least have the nerve to say it to my face after our shifts have finished? I deal with all kinds of people from all walks of life, and I treat everyone withe same respect, dignity and professionalism that I would expect if it was my family. You are a rude, I'll informed troll who is full of his own importance. I look forward to your reply. And of interest what profession are you in? Seems good communication skills isn't one of your strong points. I don't take kindly to your accusations on my character. The original comment I made was to inform the readers of how the system is abused, I never made any personal comments about anyone. Facts are facts. I dare say if you speak to any of my patients the way you spoke of me then you will probably be on the receiving end of someone's fist. I am able to deal with anything thrown at me, including cretins such as yourself.

Sounds to me like you've got a real angry streak too. I wouldn't want to be one of your vulnerable, in need of care patients that's for sure.

Either that or I've just hit a raw nerve?

It would be interesting to see how many needed to be in A & E.
- Since its 'free' some fools go to have their spots squeezed.

Or on a w/e, when they have had too much to drink.
Its a barmy world

Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

chaeley60 wrote:
Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

Note to pandorica.

This comment is why you shouldn't judge the people who come through the A&E doors.

I don't know how long you've been in the healthcare business, but it's sure as hell time you gave it up.

chaeley60 wrote:
Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

It sounds as if you have the full information, thank you for clarifying. It is a pity though that in many ways your short comment gave a better indication of the nature of the story than Mr Nelsons. Wonder if you should be asking for a job???

mark.wilkinson wrote:

chaeley60 wrote:
Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

Note to pandorica.

This comment is why you shouldn't judge the people who come through the A&E doors.

I don't know how long you've been in the healthcare business, but it's sure as hell time you gave it up.

Note to yourself, read the original comment yourself that was made, i never made any comments about this gentleman questioning the need to attend A&E. I actually did say if their was complications that may have deemed it necessary why he was brought in. I then highlighted why this poor gentleman had to wait a lot longer than we would of liked. I highlighted the facts of sytem abusers who kick off for having to wait, a bit like yourself. Then those who uses ambulances like taxis. All of these do put pressures on waiting times because every patient has to be seen. So as you thought i was such an easy target to pick on with your very judgemental attitude towards me and you still keep at it all you have done is show us all that you are one of these people who complain, moan at anything and anyone hiding away behind his keyboard. Im still waiting for a answer inviting you to come work with me. You seem to have all the answers. But knowing what a mouthy coward you are i very much doubt you will.

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

chaeley60 wrote:
Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

Note to pandorica.

This comment is why you shouldn't judge the people who come through the A&E doors.

I don't know how long you've been in the healthcare business, but it's sure as hell time you gave it up.

Note to yourself, read the original comment yourself that was made, i never made any comments about this gentleman questioning the need to attend A&E. I actually did say if their was complications that may have deemed it necessary why he was brought in. I then highlighted why this poor gentleman had to wait a lot longer than we would of liked. I highlighted the facts of sytem abusers who kick off for having to wait, a bit like yourself. Then those who uses ambulances like taxis. All of these do put pressures on waiting times because every patient has to be seen. So as you thought i was such an easy target to pick on with your very judgemental attitude towards me and you still keep at it all you have done is show us all that you are one of these people who complain, moan at anything and anyone hiding away behind his keyboard. Im still waiting for a answer inviting you to come work with me. You seem to have all the answers. But knowing what a mouthy coward you are i very much doubt you will.

'A mouthy coward' you see there you go again - being way to judgemental formyour own professional good. That seems to be a problem with you doesn't it.

There was a very interesting article
on Newsnight last night about the NHS and the people who work within it ( you can watch it on BBCi Player ) and I urge you to do so. It'll show you that my views are by no means uncommon but that nurses with your attitude towards patients are unfortunately very common. Anyway have a look, if you could give a monkeys that is. I'm sure you'll be a little enlightenened and maybe even a bit humbled. (Maybe!)

Pandorica: Id like to come and shadow you on a shift if possible. Im not sure how to get in touch with you privately though without muppets like the serial moaner on this thread jumping in. The reason for coming on shift is for professional reasons and if we can talk privately ill explain them.

Message to Mark Wilkinson

What are you moaning about - you are still here - your obvious near death experience was obviously treated by the Health Care professionals at DMH.

The fact you were "sat in A&E for half an hour" should probably tell you that you weren't in any danger of dying - which may i remind you is the purpose of A&E.

Next time go to your doctor and don't wasn't peoples time.

Message to Mark Wilkinson

What are you moaning about - you are still here - your obvious near death experience was obviously treated by the Health Care professionals at DMH.

The fact you were "sat in A&E for half an hour" should probably tell you that you weren't in any danger of dying - which may i remind you is the purpose of A&E.

Next time go to your doctor and don't wasn't peoples time.

Watch this if you're interested to see whats happening in the NHS

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/iplayer/episode/b01
qldd7/Newsnight_04_0
2_2013/

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

chaeley60 wrote: Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

Note to pandorica. This comment is why you shouldn't judge the people who come through the A&E doors. I don't know how long you've been in the healthcare business, but it's sure as hell time you gave it up.

Note to yourself, read the original comment yourself that was made, i never made any comments about this gentleman questioning the need to attend A&E. I actually did say if their was complications that may have deemed it necessary why he was brought in. I then highlighted why this poor gentleman had to wait a lot longer than we would of liked. I highlighted the facts of sytem abusers who kick off for having to wait, a bit like yourself. Then those who uses ambulances like taxis. All of these do put pressures on waiting times because every patient has to be seen. So as you thought i was such an easy target to pick on with your very judgemental attitude towards me and you still keep at it all you have done is show us all that you are one of these people who complain, moan at anything and anyone hiding away behind his keyboard. Im still waiting for a answer inviting you to come work with me. You seem to have all the answers. But knowing what a mouthy coward you are i very much doubt you will.

Well said Pandorica! This bloke is exactly what you say - a mouthy *****!

He's only happy when he’s bashing someone and spouting spurious tripe and drivel that can’t be backed up with any sort of evidence.

I was going to say something earlier, but you were doing such a good job of making him look the complete idiot he obviously is, i just sat back and laughed!

Your comments have been taken so far out of context that they are in another universe now. Well done and keep up the good work – on and off this forum!

chaeley60 wrote:
Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

Well said, particularly about his daughter not being told until late and then she got to him as soon as possible. A few on here jumped in feet first to criticise his daughter for the time she took to get there (including pandorica), without knowing the facts.

Suspect Package wrote:
Message to Mark Wilkinson What are you moaning about - you are still here - your obvious near death experience was obviously treated by the Health Care professionals at DMH. The fact you were "sat in A&E for half an hour" should probably tell you that you weren't in any danger of dying - which may i remind you is the purpose of A&E. Next time go to your doctor and don't wasn't peoples time.

Is this the point he was making? Or was it that the A&E Dept was completely empty, nurses and doctors were sat around chatting and he had to wait half an hour, for no apparent reason?

Perhaps there was a reason, but if the place was empty perhaps he could have been told what it was?

I see Jonn brings in the old 'Privatisation' chestnut again. Who cares whether the NHS is publicly owned or privately owned? The important thing is that the patient receives the best possible level of care, free at the point of delivery, at the lowest possible cost to the taxpayer. Keeping it in the public sector just for the sake of it makes no sense.

Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

If you want the truth about the NHS read Francis Midstaffs report tomorrow.

Its horrendous . ..

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

chaeley60 wrote:
Due to space not all full facts were reported on this story, First it was district nurse who called ambulance as there were complications with the patient ie trauma, Patient is disabled wheelchair bound and cannot drive or sit in a car and is reliant on the ambulance service. Daughter was not told where her father was until late evening and had arrange for children to be looked after , wait for transport and got to hospital as soon as physically possible where she waited with father all night and if it was possible would have driven him home herself but because of his disability has to depend on ambulance service.Lastly no criticisim was aimed at staff who were under a lot of pressure that day and dealt with the chaos very proffesionally. The idea to speak to paper was just to highlight the effect these cuts are having on the NHS

Note to pandorica.

This comment is why you shouldn't judge the people who come through the A&E doors.

I don't know how long you've been in the healthcare business, but it's sure as hell time you gave it up.

Note to yourself, read the original comment yourself that was made, i never made any comments about this gentleman questioning the need to attend A&E. I actually did say if their was complications that may have deemed it necessary why he was brought in. I then highlighted why this poor gentleman had to wait a lot longer than we would of liked. I highlighted the facts of sytem abusers who kick off for having to wait, a bit like yourself. Then those who uses ambulances like taxis. All of these do put pressures on waiting times because every patient has to be seen. So as you thought i was such an easy target to pick on with your very judgemental attitude towards me and you still keep at it all you have done is show us all that you are one of these people who complain, moan at anything and anyone hiding away behind his keyboard. Im still waiting for a answer inviting you to come work with me. You seem to have all the answers. But knowing what a mouthy coward you are i very much doubt you will.

'A mouthy coward' you see there you go again - being way to judgemental formyour own professional good. That seems to be a problem with you doesn't it.

There was a very interesting article
on Newsnight last night about the NHS and the people who work within it ( you can watch it on BBCi Player ) and I urge you to do so. It'll show you that my views are by no means uncommon but that nurses with your attitude towards patients are unfortunately very common. Anyway have a look, if you could give a monkeys that is. I'm sure you'll be a little enlightenened and maybe even a bit humbled. (Maybe!)

I will watch it thank you. And seems maybe you need to eat some humble pie as well. I'm dam good at my job and I deeply care an awful lot for all my patients and all my colleagues. My attitude towards you comes from you slurring my professional character, and from your disgraceful attitude towards me. You have little respect for anyone else who disagrees with you, I'm just one person, you argue with everyone. My invite still stands. I can handle a ignorant, aggressive, annoying troll such as yourself any day of the week. So better get yourself off to A&E as I have clearly hurt your pride.

pandorica wrote:
As a staff nurse working in a A&E every patient is triaged on arrival and placed into basically life threatning, urgent, non urgent etc etc. However if we are all busy in Resus pumping someones heart to try restart it, or working on anyone else critically ill, those waiting obviously are not seen as quick as they and us would like. I beleive this gentleman could of been seen by a Community Nurse, or indeed his GP rather than be brought in by a ambulance some distance from his home. However if their are other contributing factors such as other medical problems associated then maybye this is why it was deemed neccesary to bring the gentleman in. Not one member of staff wishes to leave patients as long as we do, but as ive commented on threads on here before the things we get brought in, and our crewes are called out to is just ridiclous. You can hear patients sat in the waiting room moaning even louder when you walk past even thou they have come in cos they fell over when out on a night out and have the most smallest graze on their leg. I even once not long ago took a drunk patient of a crewe who basically was called out to as he couldnt afford the taxi from one end of the city to the other, so he knew if he became ill and called an ambulance he would get hom quicker, ( and he did as he lived near the hopsital, and did a runner not long afterwards) Yes, idiots like this abuse the system all the time. I am too a bit perplexed as to why it took his daughter over 5 hrs to get to the hospital to see her father, then complain because of the wait. I can only guess when this gentleman was brought in he was triaged into a non urgent, hence the wait. If only the public could step foot in resus and see how terrible sad sometimes it is, for the patients, their familys, and just to see what we have to do day in and day out when they are complaining about how rubbish we are at our jobs, then perhaps they might think twice, because next time it might just be one of their children we are fighting like hell to save.

If the hospital had more nursing staff. as put before a District sort of nurse present in the waiting area that could take the non urgent cases which in turn will allow the other staff to deal with the life threatening cases... It is obvious if an Ambulance has to wait with a patient then the system is not working... This is the reason why it takes Min's for an Ambulance to respond to a Min call...
We can all go on and on about this butuntill the wages to the bigbossess gets cut and more cash given to the hospitals WE ARE GOING TO GET NO WHERE....

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Nurses do an amazing job I know this as I have witnessed it first hand.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

Wind your neck in Mark, not exactly a horror story having to wait 30 minutes now is it. I've witnessed first hand the job nurses have to do (not sat in A E moaning) and they do an amazing job. You really need to climb down from your high horse and stop abusing people for no reason whatsoever, if not then I shall refer you to your own comment towards me of oh do be quiet pathetic child.

Welcome to 'The Big Society'

Blankface wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

Wind your neck in Mark, not exactly a horror story having to wait 30 minutes now is it. I've witnessed first hand the job nurses have to do (not sat in A E moaning) and they do an amazing job. You really need to climb down from your high horse and stop abusing people for no reason whatsoever, if not then I shall refer you to your own comment towards me of oh do be quiet pathetic child.

You're to thick to even think of arguing with.

Get back under your stone, fool.

You're an idiot Mark, everyone knows it, I even think that you know it too.

The Mid Staffs report has just been published. Can ANYONE be comfortable with the way that the NHS is run? The slaughter of hundreds of innocent people in this charnel house is a national disgrace. And remember - it was all carried out in the PUBLIC sector under a LABOUR GOVERNMENT. And guess what - nobody is to blame. Not one person named and shamed. NOT ONE!

Seems things are a lot worse than anyone could imagine in our NHS.

Nobody can argue with the reports published today.

The real travesty is that nobody will face any kind of justice for what's happened at this hospital. Those responsible will simply hide behind the very system that allowed them treat people in such an appealing way as to cause premature death on an industrial scale.

This is the thick end of the wedge. The bottom of that slippery slope I've previously mentioned.

Was a typical waiting in UHND then?

What are you trying to say SCPROF? I'm baffled.

David Lacey wrote:
What are you trying to say SCPROF? I'm baffled.

Sorry


Typical waiting TIME in University Hospital of North Durham (UHND)

I feel sorry for anyone called Mark Wilkinson attending an A&E department in the future. As its not exactly an uncommon name they might have to start wearing signs saying im not the pillock who comments on the echo website.

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es wrote:
I feel sorry for anyone called Mark Wilkinson attending an A&E department in the future. As its not exactly an uncommon name they might have to start wearing signs saying im not the pillock who comments on the echo website.

Isn't it amazing, even when faced with the truth you still get idiots like this who continue to live in lala land.

And why should i or any of my namesakes be worried about going to A&E? They're all caring, professional, non-judgemental, compassionate people remember. I'd be more worried being a tool like you, with your rose tinted specs on.

Continue to blow smoke up the backsides of our NHS staff if you like. You sound more like the kind of person who was in charge of that appalling hospital all over the news today, rather than someone who'd rather put right the many wrongs that exist within our NHS

# gullible fool

Just out of interest when you were forced to wait in A&E for half an hour, were you attending the department to have the pole removed from your arse?

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es wrote:
Just out of interest when you were forced to wait in A&E for half an hour, were you attending the department to have the pole removed from your arse?

Lets just take your previous (well though out) comment one step further shall we......

Do you think that the families of those affected by the Stafford Hospital blunders should be affraid to walk into their local A&E departments because they complained?

Should they be terrified of their local hospitals because they dared to speak out?

In fact should anyone connected to the Cure The NHS campaign that has exposed things for what they really are now live in fear of being admitted to a hospital?

You're a prat, incapable of formulating any kind of argument either way.

And this pole that's being extracted from my arse will fit much better in yours....where it obviously belongs.

Nice to get a balanced view from people (plural). I do not think any organisation is perfect, and indeed have a personal axe to grind about some aspects of NHS procedure. However still believe the vast majority of staff are professional and caring. In fact within the statements from the families hurt by the hospital in Robert Francis bears out the facts that even in this worst case some staff were caring. Putting professional qualifications above a caring vocation concerns me and getting paid to meet crass targets concern me......particularly as on a different thread with the end of life pathway BUT....BUT....in general the staff are mostly deserving of praise not scorn.

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es wrote:
Hang on a minute, if A&E was busy what do these people expect? A dislodged catheter can hardly be described as an emergency so why was he taken to A&E? In a ruddy ambulance for gods sake? And then taken home in one? The reason the department was busy was because people go there with complaints that should be presented to either their GP or a duty nurse or doctor at a walk in centre. To be adding to a problem and then have the gall to complain about highlights the moronic me first and sod everyone else attitude prevelant in todays society.

Have you tried a "walk in centre" recently? I took my wife who was in great pain as advised by the NHS advice line & we had to wait over 3 hours.
The elderly man had every right to go to A & E., which was probably busy due to boozed up injured chavs & other time wasters.

Duke of Aycliffe wrote:

outragedofmiltonkeyn

es wrote:
Hang on a minute, if A&E was busy what do these people expect? A dislodged catheter can hardly be described as an emergency so why was he taken to A&E? In a ruddy ambulance for gods sake? And then taken home in one? The reason the department was busy was because people go there with complaints that should be presented to either their GP or a duty nurse or doctor at a walk in centre. To be adding to a problem and then have the gall to complain about highlights the moronic me first and sod everyone else attitude prevelant in todays society.

Have you tried a "walk in centre" recently? I took my wife who was in great pain as advised by the NHS advice line & we had to wait over 3 hours.
The elderly man had every right to go to A & E., which was probably busy due to boozed up injured chavs & other time wasters.

In great pain? Then why not use your initiative and go straight to A&E and be asessed by a triage nurse who would determine the urgency of the condition and your wife would have been attended to accordingly.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

outragedofmiltonkeyn

es wrote:
Just out of interest when you were forced to wait in A&E for half an hour, were you attending the department to have the pole removed from your arse?

Lets just take your previous (well though out) comment one step further shall we......

Do you think that the families of those affected by the Stafford Hospital blunders should be affraid to walk into their local A&E departments because they complained?

Should they be terrified of their local hospitals because they dared to speak out?

In fact should anyone connected to the Cure The NHS campaign that has exposed things for what they really are now live in fear of being admitted to a hospital?

You're a prat, incapable of formulating any kind of argument either way.

And this pole that's being extracted from my arse will fit much better in yours....where it obviously belongs.

No old bean,im not a prat but i wont lose any sleep over you thinking i am. All you know is what you have watched and what you have read,yet when someone who actually knows what its like for A&E staff makes a comment you jump in with an ill informed opinion of their character based on a few lines contained within a comments box. Therefore my opinion of you would be a virgin who still lives with mother,was bullied mercilessly at school and is now taunted at work,a bit flabby and slightly sweaty and loves the internet because not only does it give you anonimity to hide behind it lets you be another person and girls will talk to you.

Have Nicholson & Burnham resigned yet?
Surely someone has to go over 1200 deaths?
MidStaffs NHS - Francis Report

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

outragedofmiltonkeyn


es wrote:
Just out of interest when you were forced to wait in A&E for half an hour, were you attending the department to have the pole removed from your arse?

Lets just take your previous (well though out) comment one step further shall we......

Do you think that the families of those affected by the Stafford Hospital blunders should be affraid to walk into their local A&E departments because they complained?

Should they be terrified of their local hospitals because they dared to speak out?

In fact should anyone connected to the Cure The NHS campaign that has exposed things for what they really are now live in fear of being admitted to a hospital?

You're a prat, incapable of formulating any kind of argument either way.

And this pole that's being extracted from my arse will fit much better in yours....where it obviously belongs.

No old bean,im not a prat but i wont lose any sleep over you thinking i am. All you know is what you have watched and what you have read,yet when someone who actually knows what its like for A&E staff makes a comment you jump in with an ill informed opinion of their character based on a few lines contained within a comments box. Therefore my opinion of you would be a virgin who still lives with mother,was bullied mercilessly at school and is now taunted at work,a bit flabby and slightly sweaty and loves the internet because not only does it give you anonimity to hide behind it lets you be another person and girls will talk to you.

The Internet gives me anonimity?

Really, and that's why I use my real name on here. Unlike......ooh let me think.....you?

Prize prat. I knew you were as dumb as I'd previously assumed.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

outragedofmiltonkeyn

es wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

outragedofmiltonkeyn



es wrote:
Just out of interest when you were forced to wait in A&E for half an hour, were you attending the department to have the pole removed from your arse?

Lets just take your previous (well though out) comment one step further shall we......

Do you think that the families of those affected by the Stafford Hospital blunders should be affraid to walk into their local A&E departments because they complained?

Should they be terrified of their local hospitals because they dared to speak out?

In fact should anyone connected to the Cure The NHS campaign that has exposed things for what they really are now live in fear of being admitted to a hospital?

You're a prat, incapable of formulating any kind of argument either way.

And this pole that's being extracted from my arse will fit much better in yours....where it obviously belongs.

No old bean,im not a prat but i wont lose any sleep over you thinking i am. All you know is what you have watched and what you have read,yet when someone who actually knows what its like for A&E staff makes a comment you jump in with an ill informed opinion of their character based on a few lines contained within a comments box. Therefore my opinion of you would be a virgin who still lives with mother,was bullied mercilessly at school and is now taunted at work,a bit flabby and slightly sweaty and loves the internet because not only does it give you anonimity to hide behind it lets you be another person and girls will talk to you.

The Internet gives me anonimity?

Really, and that's why I use my real name on here. Unlike......ooh let me think.....you?

Prize prat. I knew you were as dumb as I'd previously assumed.

The rest of our previous comment isn't worth responding too.

It's the kind of rebutle even school kids would be ashamed of making. In fact it wouldn't even be worthy of the playground it's so pathetic.

F minus I'm afraid old boy.

And it would appear that you have missed the point that my last comment was making. Anyway who cares ive got friends and a social life and ive actually seen a woman naked in real life who isnt my mother. Unlike you.

In defence of NW I can see why he feels the way he does, I have seen two grandparents die at this Hospital and their care was APPALLING!!, yes we did complain. Yes there are some brilliant Nurses and carers in the NHS but please don't give me the "overworked and underpaid angels" sob story, a lot of the time it just simply isn't true, there are some lazy under worked and overpaid Nurses in our NHS, hence the terrible reports some hospitals earn! BTW I retired as a RN in 2001.

That should be MW of course.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

Ah, Newsnight....... the bastion of British broadcasting whose entire management structure was brought down by the lies and deceipt of those in charge. Jimmy Savile, Lord McAlpine ring any bells?

Without being disrespectful Mark, and with the benefit of 40 years service in the NHS on the frontline so to speak, you really do need to experience what the average member of nursing staff has to deal with each shift in general and without going anywhere near a A&E department which has its own unique set of pressures and stressors that go with it. Don't believe what you see. Because the waiting room is empty it does not mean that behind the scenes someones life is not being saved. You don't know that. You don't know how many people are in bays being monitored, how many in resus are having life saving interventions.
I would strongly urge you take Pandorica up on her offer, follow her around for a shift, make it a Friday or Saturday night and you really will come away with a different opinion / view.
The NHS in the time I have served has changed out of all recognition, successive governments have seen to that, stripping it down, building it up, stripping it down again, putting it on a business footing where the most important thing is the bottom line on a budget sheet, creating a culture where targets and finances come first at all costs and patients are incidental, like tins of beans on a shelf. Now its all coming home to roost with the Mid Staffs Inquiry report and another 5 hospitals to follow.
Perhaps when all this is done and dusted we will get back the NHS we all deserve. A one that cares for everyone free at the point of delivery, puts patients first and clinical need at the top instead of targets and money!

HH1954 wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

Ah, Newsnight....... the bastion of British broadcasting whose entire management structure was brought down by the lies and deceipt of those in charge. Jimmy Savile, Lord McAlpine ring any bells?

Without being disrespectful Mark, and with the benefit of 40 years service in the NHS on the frontline so to speak, you really do need to experience what the average member of nursing staff has to deal with each shift in general and without going anywhere near a A&E department which has its own unique set of pressures and stressors that go with it. Don't believe what you see. Because the waiting room is empty it does not mean that behind the scenes someones life is not being saved. You don't know that. You don't know how many people are in bays being monitored, how many in resus are having life saving interventions.
I would strongly urge you take Pandorica up on her offer, follow her around for a shift, make it a Friday or Saturday night and you really will come away with a different opinion / view.
The NHS in the time I have served has changed out of all recognition, successive governments have seen to that, stripping it down, building it up, stripping it down again, putting it on a business footing where the most important thing is the bottom line on a budget sheet, creating a culture where targets and finances come first at all costs and patients are incidental, like tins of beans on a shelf. Now its all coming home to roost with the Mid Staffs Inquiry report and another 5 hospitals to follow.
Perhaps when all this is done and dusted we will get back the NHS we all deserve. A one that cares for everyone free at the point of delivery, puts patients first and clinical need at the top instead of targets and money!

People need targets. We all live with them in whatever walk of life we work in. The NHS is no exception.

Fact is, people can't be trusted to work without targets - that's why we have them.

It's not the targets that are the problem. Targets are just a part of the system and the system cannot be held in isolation. After all, it's people who run the system from the top down. The failings in the NHS are down to the people in it and therefore it's up to those same people to change it if it's not working.

What happens is that people hide behind this 'system' - they blame their shortcomings on it - But don't just take my word for it - listen to what the people involved in the Cure The NHS campaign have to say about it. There is no accountability, and never has been and that's dangerous and disturbing from a patient point of view.

justsayingso was a RN back in 2001 - But i suppose her views are nonsense as well.

And don't go placing to much emphasis on my somewhat trivial example of my half hour wait in a completely empty A&E department. It was merely one example - my most recent experience of poor standards within the NHS. Also, for your information, there were at least half a dozen staff in that night, who were plainly visible, who quite clearly were not dealing with anyone else at the time. Unless of course you can do so whilst laughing and joking and discussing what's for tea the following day, all huddled around perched on the desk - So save it for someone who's daft enough to swallow it ok. More like it was nearing the end of their shift and they simply couldn't be arsed to see to me. That's a lot closer to the truth.

And I'm not interested in following anyone around for a shift.Why would I be? It's your job, you chose it, I pay for it and I expect you to do it properly. It's quite a simple business arrangement really.
If you can't stand the heat as they say.....

HH1954 wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

Ah, Newsnight....... the bastion of British broadcasting whose entire management structure was brought down by the lies and deceipt of those in charge. Jimmy Savile, Lord McAlpine ring any bells?

Without being disrespectful Mark, and with the benefit of 40 years service in the NHS on the frontline so to speak, you really do need to experience what the average member of nursing staff has to deal with each shift in general and without going anywhere near a A&E department which has its own unique set of pressures and stressors that go with it. Don't believe what you see. Because the waiting room is empty it does not mean that behind the scenes someones life is not being saved. You don't know that. You don't know how many people are in bays being monitored, how many in resus are having life saving interventions.
I would strongly urge you take Pandorica up on her offer, follow her around for a shift, make it a Friday or Saturday night and you really will come away with a different opinion / view.
The NHS in the time I have served has changed out of all recognition, successive governments have seen to that, stripping it down, building it up, stripping it down again, putting it on a business footing where the most important thing is the bottom line on a budget sheet, creating a culture where targets and finances come first at all costs and patients are incidental, like tins of beans on a shelf. Now its all coming home to roost with the Mid Staffs Inquiry report and another 5 hospitals to follow.
Perhaps when all this is done and dusted we will get back the NHS we all deserve. A one that cares for everyone free at the point of delivery, puts patients first and clinical need at the top instead of targets and money!

People need targets. We all live with them in whatever walk of life we work in. The NHS is no exception.

Fact is, people can't be trusted to work without targets - that's why we have them.

It's not the targets that are the problem. Targets are just a part of the system and the system cannot be held in isolation. After all, it's people who run the system from the top down. The failings in the NHS are down to the people in it and therefore it's up to those same people to change it if it's not working.

What happens is that people hide behind this 'system' - they blame their shortcomings on it - But don't just take my word for it - listen to what the people involved in the Cure The NHS campaign have to say about it. There is no accountability, and never has been and that's dangerous and disturbing from a patient point of view.

justsayingso was a RN back in 2001 - But i suppose her views are nonsense as well.

And don't go placing to much emphasis on my somewhat trivial example of my half hour wait in a completely empty A&E department. It was merely one example - my most recent experience of poor standards within the NHS. Also, for your information, there were at least half a dozen staff in that night, who were plainly visible, who quite clearly were not dealing with anyone else at the time. Unless of course you can do so whilst laughing and joking and discussing what's for tea the following day, all huddled around perched on the desk - So save it for someone who's daft enough to swallow it ok. More like it was nearing the end of their shift and they simply couldn't be arsed to see to me. That's a lot closer to the truth.

And I'm not interested in following anyone around for a shift.Why would I be? It's your job, you chose it, I pay for it and I expect you to do it properly. It's quite a simple business arrangement really.
If you can't stand the heat as they say.....

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es wrote:
And it would appear that you have missed the point that my last comment was making. Anyway who cares ive got friends and a social life and ive actually seen a woman naked in real life who isnt my mother. Unlike you.

Disgusting. I hope your sister reported you.

mark.wilkinson wrote:

HH1954 wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

Ah, Newsnight....... the bastion of British broadcasting whose entire management structure was brought down by the lies and deceipt of those in charge. Jimmy Savile, Lord McAlpine ring any bells?

Without being disrespectful Mark, and with the benefit of 40 years service in the NHS on the frontline so to speak, you really do need to experience what the average member of nursing staff has to deal with each shift in general and without going anywhere near a A&E department which has its own unique set of pressures and stressors that go with it. Don't believe what you see. Because the waiting room is empty it does not mean that behind the scenes someones life is not being saved. You don't know that. You don't know how many people are in bays being monitored, how many in resus are having life saving interventions.
I would strongly urge you take Pandorica up on her offer, follow her around for a shift, make it a Friday or Saturday night and you really will come away with a different opinion / view.
The NHS in the time I have served has changed out of all recognition, successive governments have seen to that, stripping it down, building it up, stripping it down again, putting it on a business footing where the most important thing is the bottom line on a budget sheet, creating a culture where targets and finances come first at all costs and patients are incidental, like tins of beans on a shelf. Now its all coming home to roost with the Mid Staffs Inquiry report and another 5 hospitals to follow.
Perhaps when all this is done and dusted we will get back the NHS we all deserve. A one that cares for everyone free at the point of delivery, puts patients first and clinical need at the top instead of targets and money!

People need targets. We all live with them in whatever walk of life we work in. The NHS is no exception.

Fact is, people can't be trusted to work without targets - that's why we have them.

It's not the targets that are the problem. Targets are just a part of the system and the system cannot be held in isolation. After all, it's people who run the system from the top down. The failings in the NHS are down to the people in it and therefore it's up to those same people to change it if it's not working.

What happens is that people hide behind this 'system' - they blame their shortcomings on it - But don't just take my word for it - listen to what the people involved in the Cure The NHS campaign have to say about it. There is no accountability, and never has been and that's dangerous and disturbing from a patient point of view.

justsayingso was a RN back in 2001 - But i suppose her views are nonsense as well.

And don't go placing to much emphasis on my somewhat trivial example of my half hour wait in a completely empty A&E department. It was merely one example - my most recent experience of poor standards within the NHS. Also, for your information, there were at least half a dozen staff in that night, who were plainly visible, who quite clearly were not dealing with anyone else at the time. Unless of course you can do so whilst laughing and joking and discussing what's for tea the following day, all huddled around perched on the desk - So save it for someone who's daft enough to swallow it ok. More like it was nearing the end of their shift and they simply couldn't be arsed to see to me. That's a lot closer to the truth.

And I'm not interested in following anyone around for a shift.Why would I be? It's your job, you chose it, I pay for it and I expect you to do it properly. It's quite a simple business arrangement really.
If you can't stand the heat as they say.....

I think you are wasting your time, I know what you say has truth in it, most my family know too and I know people who have heard their friends with similar stories of neglect, particularly with older patients. Oh and I am a he lol

mark.wilkinson wrote:

HH1954 wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:

pandorica wrote:

mark.wilkinson wrote:
Have any of the detractors on here watched last nights Newsnight yet? As I said previously, there's a very enlightening piece on there about our good old NHS and some of the people who work within it.

Seems you're all a bit blinded by poor old nursery nursery having to deal with drunken yobs. The truth is somewhat different!

No, regarding the daughter all I said was I was a bit perplexed as to why it took a while to get to the hospital, but as this paper only used half the information probably to cause this much reaction, it didn't lay out the whole story at all. That is unfair and disrespectful to the family involved. And if you think that programme really truly represented an A&E department then you clearly are as stupid as you sound. We don't just deal with drunks, but hey you have an open invite to see this for yourself. Must be so easy being a professionally paid troll. You have the nerve to say I have no right to judge anyone yet you judged not only me but my fellow nurses when you judged them to be sat doing nothing when the waiting room was empty. A&E doesn't stop there, and you really do not have a clue. And I think maybe the family of the gentleman at the centre of this story should express their concerns about the NHS to the Health Minister as well as the papers. Because it seems the goverment see A&E the same way as Mr Troll Wilkinson, both muppets who lash out abusing their powers hiding away behind everyone else.

Let me put it this way.

I'd be more inclined to believe a Newsnight report than the words of a judgemental little hitler nurse who's a bit long in the tooth now and has forgotten some of the fundamentals of caring for the sick .

So, this coupled with some of my own personal horror stories whilst in the care of the NHS,I believe the Newsnight report to be wholly accurate and also as they stated, believe it to be the tip of a very big iceberg.

Our NHS and some of the staff within it are definately not fit for purpose. That's why we're have having so many sweeping changes made. Bring them on!

Ah, Newsnight....... the bastion of British broadcasting whose entire management structure was brought down by the lies and deceipt of those in charge. Jimmy Savile, Lord McAlpine ring any bells?

Without being disrespectful Mark, and with the benefit of 40 years service in the NHS on the frontline so to speak, you really do need to experience what the average member of nursing staff has to deal with each shift in general and without going anywhere near a A&E department which has its own unique set of pressures and stressors that go with it. Don't believe what you see. Because the waiting room is empty it does not mean that behind the scenes someones life is not being saved. You don't know that. You don't know how many people are in bays being monitored, how many in resus are having life saving interventions.
I would strongly urge you take Pandorica up on her offer, follow her around for a shift, make it a Friday or Saturday night and you really will come away with a different opinion / view.
The NHS in the time I have served has changed out of all recognition, successive governments have seen to that, stripping it down, building it up, stripping it down again, putting it on a business footing where the most important thing is the bottom line on a budget sheet, creating a culture where targets and finances come first at all costs and patients are incidental, like tins of beans on a shelf. Now its all coming home to roost with the Mid Staffs Inquiry report and another 5 hospitals to follow.
Perhaps when all this is done and dusted we will get back the NHS we all deserve. A one that cares for everyone free at the point of delivery, puts patients first and clinical need at the top instead of targets and money!

People need targets. We all live with them in whatever walk of life we work in. The NHS is no exception.

Fact is, people can't be trusted to work without targets - that's why we have them.

It's not the targets that are the problem. Targets are just a part of the system and the system cannot be held in isolation. After all, it's people who run the system from the top down. The failings in the NHS are down to the people in it and therefore it's up to those same people to change it if it's not working.

What happens is that people hide behind this 'system' - they blame their shortcomings on it - But don't just take my word for it - listen to what the people involved in the Cure The NHS campaign have to say about it. There is no accountability, and never has been and that's dangerous and disturbing from a patient point of view.

justsayingso was a RN back in 2001 - But i suppose her views are nonsense as well.

And don't go placing to much emphasis on my somewhat trivial example of my half hour wait in a completely empty A&E department. It was merely one example - my most recent experience of poor standards within the NHS. Also, for your information, there were at least half a dozen staff in that night, who were plainly visible, who quite clearly were not dealing with anyone else at the time. Unless of course you can do so whilst laughing and joking and discussing what's for tea the following day, all huddled around perched on the desk - So save it for someone who's daft enough to swallow it ok. More like it was nearing the end of their shift and they simply couldn't be arsed to see to me. That's a lot closer to the truth.

And I'm not interested in following anyone around for a shift.Why would I be? It's your job, you chose it, I pay for it and I expect you to do it properly. It's quite a simple business arrangement really.
If you can't stand the heat as they say.....

Fair do's.
You stick to Newsnight for the truth and let not the truth get in the way of a good story eh? You say it how you see it, I'll say it how I see it and we'll agree to disagree.

But thats the whole point, Im sure there are thousands of people who only have great experience of the NHS, just PLEASE appreciate the many many thousands who have seen another side to it.

justsayingso wrote:
But thats the whole point, Im sure there are thousands of people who only have great experience of the NHS, just PLEASE appreciate the many many thousands who have seen another side to it.

I do agree with this comment. I have had many good experiences and one absolutely abysmal one (at UHND). If your one experience was bad you should equally appreciate that all NHS staff should be tarnished because of it. As for comments about everyone needs targets mentioned by, I think, Mark above I am afraid I strongly disagree. Targets have become the bane of this society..........inc
entives that blinker in all walks from education to banking to NHS. They give the appearance things are fine when in reality they may not be the front room looks fine but the rest of the house is falling down. Ticky box society without a heart, surveys and enquiries that are meaningless. A complete waste of time and money. Maybe they could have been a help but targets are not an aid they are the be all and end all.

behonest wrote:

outragedofmiltonkeyn

es wrote:
And it would appear that you have missed the point that my last comment was making. Anyway who cares ive got friends and a social life and ive actually seen a woman naked in real life who isnt my mother. Unlike you.

Disgusting. I hope your sister reported you.

Its alright i was hiding in the wardrobe and she didnt see me