Almost 18,000 families in the North-East and North Yorkshire hit by child benefit changes (From The Northern Echo)

Cuts needed to be made, of course they do, however they should be fair and equitable and they are simply not.
It beggars belief these decisions are made by so called intelligent people entrusted to run the economy and they have dropped another almighty clanger!

It is reasonably fair. Two people earning £35K = £70k in total will keep their entitlement, but will probably incure substantial child care costs. A single earner on £70K with a wife at home will not incure any child care costs, but will also lose the benefit entirely. Some people will lose out, but overall it is a fair policy.
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What concerns me is the way that Red Rob has once again written this article. Yet again we have pure Labour Party hatred on view. How the Echo can continue to employ this champagne socialist, living in London and pretending to understand life up here is a complete mystery to me.

Incur - sorry.

'most letters went to the seat of Stockton South'.

Enjoy the next two years, Mr Wharton, 'cos it's bye bye in 2015.

i'm on a four day week at Thorn lighting taking home £220 a week and dont get jack of the state. these people are living in cuckoo land. try living on the real bread line.

We are now beginning to see the stupidity of taking peoples money in tax and then giving some of it back as benefits, or credits.
The classic Labour trick of creating the 'client state'.
In among all this we are being charged millions of pounds for this to be administered, by legions of public servants.
The answer is reduce benefits and credits and allow people to keep more of THEIR earned income. Then they can decide what to do with it.

Reduce taxation and therefore Government interference.

Its a pity the gvernment werent as aggressive against all the legal tax dodges that cost billions in lost reveue. Our benefits system is in chaos and bordering on meltdown thanks to decades of dithering, incompetance, fraud and ignorance, in its present form its unsustainable as those taking out of the system contributing little or nothing outstrip those who put in and get zero back. There is a growing call from politicians and observors to move to a contribution based system whereby a basic safety net is provided but payments out are based on what you have put in. The current system is far to generous to those who contribute nothing whilst penalsing those who are the contributors. The current restrictions being imposed are only the vanguard of some very painful cuts to come in the future, benefits should never be a lifestyle option whereby recipients are better off than those working which has proven to be a kick in the teeth for hardworking taxpayers.

spragger wrote:
We are now beginning to see the stupidity of taking peoples money in tax and then giving some of it back as benefits, or credits. The classic Labour trick of creating the 'client state'. In among all this we are being charged millions of pounds for this to be administered, by legions of public servants. The answer is reduce benefits and credits and allow people to keep more of THEIR earned income. Then they can decide what to do with it. Reduce taxation and therefore Government interference.

Exactly thats the reason this was a universal credit and, of course, was origianally paid to the mother (whichever sex that might be now). Means testing benefits are for more expensive to administer. Its another of Osbornes **** ups. The intention is perhaps fair but it has not been thought through. What about those households where neither partner knows what the other earns or one where the one who thinks they're the main earner find they are not. Some interesting family discussions will take place. On top of this I worked for the Revenue before I retired and I can guarantee that it will be an administrative **** up (much like the upcoming Universal Credit which IDS suddenly seems to have stopped talking about). Osborne should not have cut income tax for the very rich in the first place and should have given the Revenue a kick up the backside to get some of the tax that companies are evading.

spragger wrote:
We are now beginning to see the stupidity of taking peoples money in tax and then giving some of it back as benefits, or credits.
The classic Labour trick of creating the 'client state'.
In among all this we are being charged millions of pounds for this to be administered, by legions of public servants.
The answer is reduce benefits and credits and allow people to keep more of THEIR earned income. Then they can decide what to do with it.

Reduce taxation and therefore Government interference.

100% right

stevegg wrote:
Its a pity the gvernment werent as aggressive against all the legal tax dodges that cost billions in lost reveue. Our benefits system is in chaos and bordering on meltdown thanks to decades of dithering, incompetance, fraud and ignorance, in its present form its unsustainable as those taking out of the system contributing little or nothing outstrip those who put in and get zero back. There is a growing call from politicians and observors to move to a contribution based system whereby a basic safety net is provided but payments out are based on what you have put in. The current system is far to generous to those who contribute nothing whilst penalsing those who are the contributors. The current restrictions being imposed are only the vanguard of some very painful cuts to come in the future, benefits should never be a lifestyle option whereby recipients are better off than those working which has proven to be a kick in the teeth for hardworking taxpayers.

100% right

Agree is Spragger. The tax and benefits system is horrifically complicated, costing the country a fortune each year to administer and keeping an army of paper pushers in work. Whatever you think that costs the tax payer to administer, you're probably out by a factor of 10. It all needs simplifying back to basics - who really understands it all? The Government certainly doesn't.

If you earn it, you pay tax and then the rest is yours, you have a brain, you are educated, if you can afford 3+ children then that's your choice, you support them up to adult-hood. If you can't then don't procreate so often. Getting benefits on a salary of £50K a year is absurd when others are really on the bread-line and reliant on food-banks and charity.

We're a civilised country and we can't let people starve. Benefits for £50K earners seems unaffordable and inappropriate in the current economic climate.

Ally F wrote:
Agree is Spragger. The tax and benefits system is horrifically complicated, costing the country a fortune each year to administer and keeping an army of paper pushers in work. Whatever you think that costs the tax payer to administer, you're probably out by a factor of 10. It all needs simplifying back to basics - who really understands it all? The Government certainly doesn't.

If you earn it, you pay tax and then the rest is yours, you have a brain, you are educated, if you can afford 3+ children then that's your choice, you support them up to adult-hood. If you can't then don't procreate so often. Getting benefits on a salary of £50K a year is absurd when others are really on the bread-line and reliant on food-banks and charity.

We're a civilised country and we can't let people starve. Benefits for £50K earners seems unaffordable and inappropriate in the current economic climate.

But what about the 2 high earners on £49k each with a joint income of £98k who escape this cut but a family with a low earner say on £10k with their partner on £51k are penalised. Another pastie/caravan tax. I agree higher earners shouldnt get it but the way they have gone about it is inept.

Ally F wrote:
Agree is Spragger. The tax and benefits system is horrifically complicated, costing the country a fortune each year to administer and keeping an army of paper pushers in work. Whatever you think that costs the tax payer to administer, you're probably out by a factor of 10. It all needs simplifying back to basics - who really understands it all? The Government certainly doesn't.

If you earn it, you pay tax and then the rest is yours, you have a brain, you are educated, if you can afford 3+ children then that's your choice, you support them up to adult-hood. If you can't then don't procreate so often. Getting benefits on a salary of £50K a year is absurd when others are really on the bread-line and reliant on food-banks and charity.

We're a civilised country and we can't let people starve. Benefits for £50K earners seems unaffordable and inappropriate in the current economic climate.

100% right.

stevegg wrote:

Ally F wrote:
Agree is Spragger. The tax and benefits system is horrifically complicated, costing the country a fortune each year to administer and keeping an army of paper pushers in work. Whatever you think that costs the tax payer to administer, you're probably out by a factor of 10. It all needs simplifying back to basics - who really understands it all? The Government certainly doesn't.

If you earn it, you pay tax and then the rest is yours, you have a brain, you are educated, if you can afford 3+ children then that's your choice, you support them up to adult-hood. If you can't then don't procreate so often. Getting benefits on a salary of £50K a year is absurd when others are really on the bread-line and reliant on food-banks and charity.

We're a civilised country and we can't let people starve. Benefits for £50K earners seems unaffordable and inappropriate in the current economic climate.

But what about the 2 high earners on £49k each with a joint income of £98k who escape this cut but a family with a low earner say on £10k with their partner on £51k are penalised. Another pastie/caravan tax. I agree higher earners shouldnt get it but the way they have gone about it is inept.

I agree with you on both counts. A family on £100k a year can possibly still claim full child benefit, but another family on £60k a year get nothing - the same as someone on £160k a year. And yes, the highest earners should be targeted but these changes are unfair.

It's actually worse than the Tories initial proposal, which was to stop those on the 40% tax bracket from getting it. Then, a couple earning £80k equally between them could claim. Now it's £100k!

When it comes it properly thought out, fair and targeted measures, this Tory lot are clueless.

They'll be imposing a minimum price of alcohol on the entire population next, just to tackle alleged 'teenage binge drinkers'! Oh, hang on...

Where was Red Robs article on Labours plan to get people off benefits that was announced over the weekend? Did I miss it?

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greenfinger wrote:
i'm on a four day week at Thorn lighting taking home £220 a week and dont get jack of the state. these people are living in cuckoo land. try living on the real bread line.

I work 24 hours a week and will not work anymore hours due to this kind government. I receive working tax and child tax and can manage living on £300 a week for 5 of us. So why do people say they cannot survive. Shop around........

the-big-yin so you openly admit to not wanting more work because the state will handout a slice of my tax in a benefit. i really look forward to the day it stops for you. 5 people living on £300 a week. i bet your quality of life is great. enjoy your summer holidays this year.

"In stark contrast, only 270 households contain someone earning more than £50,000 in Middlesbrough - and just 280 in Easington."

Most likely because those earning more than £50k choose to live elsewhere!