Ex-Army doctor struck off over Iraqi detainee death (From The Northern Echo)

I hope the MPTS that found Dr Keilloh guilty,and struck him off,ALL GO TO HELL, he did not kill the guy he was young and inexperienced at the tine of this happening,the QLR interogaters were the guilty ones,Dr Keilloh has been stiched up good and propper.Northallerto
n has now lost its best Dr & i hope the MPTS realise there BIG mistake and reinstate him.

I hope the MPTS that found Dr Keilloh guilty,and struck him off,ALL GO TO HELL, he did not kill the guy he was young and inexperienced at the time of this happening,the QLR interogaters were the guilty ones,Dr Keilloh has been stiched up good and propper.Northallerto
n has now lost its best Dr & i hope the MPTS realise there BIG mistake and reinstate him.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! The poor man has had his life destroyed while trying to protect innocent civillians in a war torn country. Dr.Keilloh is a brilliant G.P. and now we, his patients are to be deprived of his care. I am convinced that Dr.Keilloh has been used as a scapegoat. SHAME ON YOU ARMED FORCES, SHAME ON YOU MPTS!! What happened in Iraq should not in any way compromise the good he does on civvy street. Many doctors are found guilty of gross misconduct towards patient care but are given a suspension. Why then,in this case does the MPTS feel Dr. KEILLOH should be struck off ?

Dr Keilloh is the only Doctor to diagnose and control my condition. This is an OUTRAGE. This case has been re-hashed twice already, and he is now a civvy. Que a mass comp payment to Iraq eh? Typical Britain - go to war and then say sorry for it later. The media have made this worse. Hundreds of happy patients wrote to the GMC, just shows they dont give a **** and just want to be seen to do the right thing. His Clinical competence was never in doubt, just paperwork, and his word against anothers. ALL PATIENTS SHOULD EMAIL MPTS, AND SUPPORT HIM! I HAVE.

This is an outrage. Civvy street is a world away from a warzone. This man saves lives. The MPTS are merely being seen to do the right thing. Typical Britain, go to war and then say sorry later. Massive compo to Iraq next eh?
I hope all his patients lobby the MPTS to overturn this. I have already done so.
A whole town should not suffer the loss of a great Doctor whose Medical skills were never in question - of course the Media didnt help either with their portrayal of him. Be honest, after the inquiry some time ago did we really care overmuch? or did we shrug it off as war - yeah I bet we did.

kay2440 wrote:
This is an outrage. Civvy street is a world away from a warzone. This man saves lives. The MPTS are merely being seen to do the right thing. Typical Britain, go to war and then say sorry later. Massive compo to Iraq next eh?
I hope all his patients lobby the MPTS to overturn this. I have already done so.
A whole town should not suffer the loss of a great Doctor whose Medical skills were never in question - of course the Media didnt help either with their portrayal of him. Be honest, after the inquiry some time ago did we really care overmuch? or did we shrug it off as war - yeah I bet we did.

K2440 canyuo tell us how to get in touch with MPTS so i can give them a piece of my mind ?

kay2440 wrote:
This is an outrage. Civvy street is a world away from a warzone. This man saves lives. The MPTS are merely being seen to do the right thing. Typical Britain, go to war and then say sorry later. Massive compo to Iraq next eh?
I hope all his patients lobby the MPTS to overturn this. I have already done so.
A whole town should not suffer the loss of a great Doctor whose Medical skills were never in question - of course the Media didnt help either with their portrayal of him. Be honest, after the inquiry some time ago did we really care overmuch? or did we shrug it off as war - yeah I bet we did.

K2440 canyuo tell us how to get in touch with MPTS so i can give them a piece of my mind ?

yes the best way to contact MPTS is either by website www.mpts-uk.org
or via post
st james's building
79 oxford street
machester
M1 6FQ
the more people who get in touch the more pressure is put on them
its about time us the patients of doc keilloh had our say.

K2440 . Thanks ,I just hope eveybody does the same, its a crying shame what they have done to Dr KEILLOH he is THE best gp that northallerton has ever had.

I emailed this morning as soon as the press release hit, so the more that do the better. we have a right to say how we feel, we are the patients of Doctor Keilloh surely its time they heard us.
If it wasnt for Doctor Keilloh I dont know where I would be now, he has given me my life back, because he listened and was so lovely and caring.. I am sick of locum doctors who dont have a clue how to treat me and mess about with my medication. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring him back to northallerton

Don't worry, he can get a job with ATOS dianosing sick and disabled heathy and fit for work.

BTW, were any of you who support this man, aware of all the facts, or is it ok because the victim was an Iraqi and a possible enemy?

At very least, he was incompetant.........
if so, how do you know he would not make vital mistakes with any of your family.
Or he was in breech of his Hippocratic oath if he was influenced by the military to turn a blind eye to events...........
whatever he was, be thankful he is now not your doctor.

I knew about this situation long before he came to Northallerton, and it has never bothered me or my family.. I would trust him with my life.
He is very well respected in Northallerton and he has alot of support. we know him and know he is an excellent doctor who takes the time to listen to his patients. I will be extremely pleased when he is back in the surgery

For those who have just been reading the gutter press, the transcripts for the military hearing and public enquiry should put you in the picture more accurately if you can read more than a few paragraphs at a time.

CynicaloldGit wrote:
At very least, he was incompetant.........

if so, how do you know he would not make vital mistakes with any of your family.
Or he was in breech of his Hippocratic oath if he was influenced by the military to turn a blind eye to events...........
whatever he was, be thankful he is now not your doctor.

It was not Dr KIELLOH who beat the prioner to death,they done the same to our boys who were captured.did John Nicoles take the soldiers who beat him up to court?

rockepe wrote:

CynicaloldGit wrote:
At very least, he was incompetant.........


if so, how do you know he would not make vital mistakes with any of your family.
Or he was in breech of his Hippocratic oath if he was influenced by the military to turn a blind eye to events...........
whatever he was, be thankful he is now not your doctor.

It was not Dr KIELLOH who beat the prioner to death,they done the same to our boys who were captured.did John Nicoles take the soldiers who beat him up to court?

Typical...........wh
at the enemy does is not what we do, we are supposed to be civilised, not barbarians.
And before you ask...........yes I was in the military and always played by the book, no matter what my emotions might have been..........
However, we aren't talking about line soldiers, who in the heat of battle or emotion at seeing their mates killed, we are talking about a doctor who was found guilty of misconduct as a PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL person.

The worst human crime that can be commited in fields of conflict is that doctors take sides and don't treat ALL humans from any side as human beings.............a soldiers job is to win wars, a doctors is to save life, any life

Sorry, I didn't finish..........as a soldier, I always believed that should I fall into enemy hands as a wounded casualty, that I could rely on the medical section of the enemy to trat me as what I was, simply now, a wounded human being...........if a soldier cannot believe that, then war and conflict becomes a fight to the death where no prisoners are taken and no noncombatant ( by being wounded) wants to be taken but will fight to the death.
You people should grow up and understand what it means to be a soldier and a medic.

CynicaloldGit your name says it all. People like you are what gives this country a bad name. Please keep you un-informed comments to yourself.

I note that the UK is paying millions to Iraq in compensation for such events - why are we not asking them for compensation for the many young British men tortured and killed by Iraqis?

For a well respected GP to lose his livelyhood over this is disgusting. I for one am going to contact the MPTS about this.

Earl_Lee_Dawes wrote:
CynicaloldGit your name says it all. People like you are what gives this country a bad name. Please keep you un-informed comments to yourself.

I note that the UK is paying millions to Iraq in compensation for such events - why are we not asking them for compensation for the many young British men tortured and killed by Iraqis?

For a well respected GP to lose his livelyhood over this is disgusting. I for one am going to contact the MPTS about this.

Because you fool, the Amis got in first to get contracts to build it up and receive contraqcts for oil production etc.......this country was hood winked by the Amis into helping them and then s*** on after the so called peace...........oh, and I do believe that we are all entitled to an opinion, so I will not keep my comments to myself, and FYI, it's little englanders like you who give this country the bad name it has around the world, not I.

CynicaloldGit - I love you too...

I fear this is only the start. .
Most people realise we did not cover ourselves in glory in Iraq and were booted out of Basra
We are probably beginning the same process in Afghanistan.
Its sad to see so many young people killed and injured and in the case of this doctor a career ruined.
The person to place the finger on is one Tony Blair who took 'us' into an illegal war.
The only way this will ever be reconciled is when the establishment have the guts to indict him and we see him stand in The Hague

spragger wrote:
I fear this is only the start. .
Most people realise we did not cover ourselves in glory in Iraq and were booted out of Basra
We are probably beginning the same process in Afghanistan.
Its sad to see so many young people killed and injured and in the case of this doctor a career ruined.
The person to place the finger on is one Tony Blair who took 'us' into an illegal war.
The only way this will ever be reconciled is when the establishment have the guts to indict him and we see him stand in The Hague

Along with 600 other MPs Spragger, I seem to remember that all told there were less than 50 objected to the war...........you know, all those lefties.

Patients' fury? What about the fury of the deceased Iraqi detainees family. I'm sorry, but whatever this man is like now he failed in his duty of care, and more importantly he failed to act upon the abuse of prisoners by military personnel.

There are now winners here.

It his Doctor is a hero & so are the lads from 1QLR. I'm sick of hearing the whingers banging on about fair & humane treatment. Do the scum from Al Qaida let our troops know when they're going to detonate IED's or ram checkpoints or do sniper attacks.
Would they book any British prisoners into a 5 star hotel & give them the best treatment? No, they would beat the crap out of our soldiers or worse & then probably put it on the Internet. This Doctor was probably at best inexperienced & at worst just plain loyal to his Regiment. Loyalty, a quality which seems to be old fashioned & in short supply these days.
It's very easy for people in Civvy Street to make liberal judgements that we should not lose our tempers & 100% perfect in every situation. In the heat of the moment things happen & things are regrettable. Young Infantrymen are trained to be very aggressive this is how battles & wars are won. You're not going to win a combat engagement by hurling insults. These brave young men are trained to win & to be aggressive in situations that would want to make most people run away. Then people are reprimanded & court martialled when things go wrong. Just like those dubious Republicans in Northern Ireland trying to get formers soldiers of The Parachute Regiment prosecuted for Bloody Sunday which orchestrated in the first place by the IRA, a cowardly organisation tacitly supported by the establishment in Eire for the past 30 years.
I don't see why the UK should pay compensation to any Iraqis or anyone else for that matter. Including former members of the Mau Mau in Kenya.

Duke of Aycliffe wrote:
It his Doctor is a hero & so are the lads from 1QLR. I'm sick of hearing the whingers banging on about fair & humane treatment. Do the scum from Al Qaida let our troops know when they're going to detonate IED's or ram checkpoints or do sniper attacks.
Would they book any British prisoners into a 5 star hotel & give them the best treatment? No, they would beat the crap out of our soldiers or worse & then probably put it on the Internet. This Doctor was probably at best inexperienced & at worst just plain loyal to his Regiment. Loyalty, a quality which seems to be old fashioned & in short supply these days.
It's very easy for people in Civvy Street to make liberal judgements that we should not lose our tempers & 100% perfect in every situation. In the heat of the moment things happen & things are regrettable. Young Infantrymen are trained to be very aggressive this is how battles & wars are won. You're not going to win a combat engagement by hurling insults. These brave young men are trained to win & to be aggressive in situations that would want to make most people run away. Then people are reprimanded & court martialled when things go wrong. Just like those dubious Republicans in Northern Ireland trying to get formers soldiers of The Parachute Regiment prosecuted for Bloody Sunday which orchestrated in the first place by the IRA, a cowardly organisation tacitly supported by the establishment in Eire for the past 30 years.
I don't see why the UK should pay compensation to any Iraqis or anyone else for that matter. Including former members of the Mau Mau in Kenya.

Because you damned idiot, if the troops from the UK do as the enemy does, they loose the moral highground and become no better than the people they are fighting in the eyes of the world.
Then you have atrocites being committed by each side, esculating till we have the situation found on the Eastern front in that last war with troops of both sides torturing each other such as roasting over fires etc.
Al-Quieda may not be bound by Geneva convention, but this country is.
BTW, was the Maquis a cowardly organisation when using guerilla tackincs against the Germans or the Russian, Jugoslav or Czec partisans cowardly? Or is it simply a matter of who your emeny is.
Were the SOE cowardly as they didn't fight the Germans in uniform?

Try thinking that war is wrong, not how it's fought thatb is wrong.

This man was not only a medical doctor, but a commissioned officer. By turning a blind eye or failing to report abuse of prisoners he's failed in both his duty of care and as a responsible manager.

To those people here who seem to think abusing prisoners is acceptable, you need to be reminded that not only is it against the terms of the Geneva Convention, but leaves our own troops in danger of abuse when captured by enemy forces. The British Forces are supposed to have far higher standards of behaviour than that. This story is especially bad as Mr Mousa was not an insurgent but an innocent hotel worker- this story is regarding the death of a man who was tortured and abused. Derek Keilloh (ex doctor) may have been your friendly family GP, but he has a very dark past and the Medical Council view him now as being unsuitable to practice.

I hope this case reminds people who have a position of responsibility that they are not immune from prosecution if they fail to perform their duties properly.

9 years ago this happened. If u cynics think that doctor Keilloh is such a bad person, then maybe us as patients and in support of the said doctor should sue the GMC for putting our lives at risk. Legal proceedings wouldn't get further than the lawyers office though would they. Why? Because this P.C. country, with it's bloody human rights, doesn't protect us white British, does it.

CynicaloldGit you come across as pretty arrogant & dismissive of other people's views, telling people to grow up, calling others fools, calling me a damned idiot when you've never even met me.
I respect other people's views on this site even though I may not agree with them without resorting to name calling or insults.
You banged on about the UK taking the moral high ground, what use is this when many other countries don't do the same or obey international laws or pay lip service to it.
Take for example, Hilary Clinton sticking her nose into our affairs concerning the Falklands. Also, in the past Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams was welcomed to the White House despite the British Govt's strong objection to this.
Can you imagine the uproar in America if the British Govt. welcomed officially to London a high ranking member of Al Qaida?
Internationally, the UK always plays by the rules be it with the EU or Commonwealth but we're really no better thought of. Even if we had continued giving Mugabe millions he still would have thrown all the white farmers out & still blamed Britain.
Millions are handed out to India & their govt isn't even remotely grateful whilst they waste Rupees on a Nuclear arms race with Pakistan. Human rights lawyers jump on the gravy train & encourage elderly former Mau Mau members in Kenya to sue the UK.
We continue to help prop up the EU which seems to be like the Titanic heading towards the icebergs, whilst other EU members choose to enforce & ignore whatever EU laws when it suits them.
Sorry, my rant is over however, if members of our armed forces are to be held account for their actions, then maybe Tony Blair & George Dubbaya Bush should also.

Danfio21 wrote:
9 years ago this happened. If u cynics think that doctor Keilloh is such a bad person, then maybe us as patients and in support of the said doctor should sue the GMC for putting our lives at risk. Legal proceedings wouldn't get further than the lawyers office though would they. Why? Because this P.C. country, with it's bloody human rights, doesn't protect us white British, does it.

It doesn't matter if he is is a good doctor now, but he has failed in his duties in the past. Both as a medical practitioner and a supervising officer.

He is responsible for the death, either directly or indirectly, of a man who was in his care. He was aware of the abuse of prisoners, and failed to act upon it.

I think that the GMC are in a far stronger position to assess what makes a "good" doctor than we are. Just because you like someone doesn't make them fit to perform their duties.

I remember elderly ladies being interviewed about Dr Fred West several years ago. They all thought he was a "good" doctor too......

DoA, I apologise for my calling you an fool, but I don't suffer fools gladly, and your posting came across to me as a typical patriotic SUN or Daily Mail type Little Englander, my country right or wrong.

This last post you sent, was nothing like your first and I agree with just about everything you say with regards to the UKs standing in the world.
However, 2 wrongs never make a right and because of the stupid politicians we have, the Amis have always treated this country with perhaps, the contempt the MPs deserve, rather than the country.

I agree also that Blair and Bush should be charged.

However, just because this doctor did what he did, or failed to do 9 years ago, doesn't negate him from guilt..........if you will allow some hyperbole, Mengele, another doctor was not allowed to be free of his obligations 40 years after his crimes, and had he been caught, he would have been dealt with.

This man,may have been a grand doctor in Northallerton, but in Iraq, he failed an innocent human being, both as a British Officer and as a doctor.

Ariver can have a spotless driving record over many years, but if he kills someone due to one incident of reckless driving, he will feel the full weight of the law.

johnny_p wrote:

Danfio21 wrote:
9 years ago this happened. If u cynics think that doctor Keilloh is such a bad person, then maybe us as patients and in support of the said doctor should sue the GMC for putting our lives at risk. Legal proceedings wouldn't get further than the lawyers office though would they. Why? Because this P.C. country, with it's bloody human rights, doesn't protect us white British, does it.

It doesn't matter if he is is a good doctor now, but he has failed in his duties in the past. Both as a medical practitioner and a supervising officer.

He is responsible for the death, either directly or indirectly, of a man who was in his care. He was aware of the abuse of prisoners, and failed to act upon it.

I think that the GMC are in a far stronger position to assess what makes a "good" doctor than we are. Just because you like someone doesn't make them fit to perform their duties.

I remember elderly ladies being interviewed about Dr Fred West several years ago. They all thought he was a "good" doctor too......

Yes, I like Dr.keilloh, not only from a colleagues point of view but also for the good patient care he has given to me, after 3 G.Ps failed to help me when I returned from being hospitalised in Egypt. 8months I lay in pain, housebound and unable to tolerate most foods. It was dr.keilloh who arranged scans, medication and consultancies with hospital specialists. I have seen various gps since dr.keillohs absence and I'm just told that I have a condition that I do not have, verified by a consultant. It is very wrong what went on in Basra, but DR.KEILLOH's feet had hardly touched the ground in Iraq before he was presented with this awful situation. The army are responsible for this.

"DR.KEILLOH's feet had hardly touched the ground in Iraq before he was presented with this awful situation. The army are responsible for this.”

Yes..............War is Hell!

CynicaloldGit wrote:
"DR.KEILLOH's feet had hardly touched the ground in Iraq before he was presented with this awful situation. The army are responsible for this.” Yes..............War is Hell!

COG for once I disagree with you but only in the severiry of his punishment. You're quite right he was let down by the army and his senior officers. The panel at the hearing did not, in my view, take into account the extenuating circumstances. You are right that to act as animals and kill civilians does surrender the high moral ground but the doctor was in a front line situation and between a rock and a hard place. He may have suspected that to shop his comrades may have left him open to "friendly fire". The panel must have had other options than depriving him of his livelhood, suspension, working under supervision etc.

Cynical, did I just see you compare Dr Keilloh to Mengele? What are you smoking? We will pull ourselves apart claiming "the moral highground" in any conflict we are involved in. Have you ever heard of loyalty to your comrades? I doubt it, Pink boy.

The old giffer wrote:
Cynical, did I just see you compare Dr Keilloh to Mengele? What are you smoking? We will pull ourselves apart claiming "the moral highground" in any conflict we are involved in. Have you ever heard of loyalty to your comrades? I doubt it, Pink boy.

No you didn. that's what Hyperbole means, an example in the extreme..........I was refering to the time, that because what happend did so 9 years ago, some people seemed to think that that made his "crime" nul and void.
As for loyalty to your comrades, you mean like watching them rape the civilian inhbitants but saying nothing about it?

The more people try to defend this man, the more they show their complete lack of morals.

However, I will ask you all a question.
Suppose the doctor was a Dr Husein who was a brilliant doctor and good with all his patiets etc, and who had settled here after the Iraqi war and then it was discovered that during the conflict he had served with Saddam's forces and stood by as Iraqi troops had beated to death a british soldier.............
would you all be up in arms if he was struck off?
I have a feeling that you all would be demanding that he be jailed also.

CynicaloldGit wrote:

The old giffer wrote:
Cynical, did I just see you compare Dr Keilloh to Mengele? What are you smoking? We will pull ourselves apart claiming "the moral highground" in any conflict we are involved in. Have you ever heard of loyalty to your comrades? I doubt it, Pink boy.

No you didn. that's what Hyperbole means, an example in the extreme..........I was refering to the time, that because what happend did so 9 years ago, some people seemed to think that that made his "crime" nul and void.
As for loyalty to your comrades, you mean like watching them rape the civilian inhbitants but saying nothing about it?

The more people try to defend this man, the more they show their complete lack of morals.

However, I will ask you all a question.
Suppose the doctor was a Dr Husein who was a brilliant doctor and good with all his patiets etc, and who had settled here after the Iraqi war and then it was discovered that during the conflict he had served with Saddam's forces and stood by as Iraqi troops had beated to death a british soldier.............

would you all be up in arms if he was struck off?
I have a feeling that you all would be demanding that he be jailed also.

Perfect- I agree. Your comment has silenced this thread. All those who think his behaviour was acceptable are giving the green light for our own troops to be abused when they are captured.

By all accounts Mr Mousa's injuries made him resemble someone who had been in a serious road accident but this Doctor played down his injuries in his report and said "he just a had a little blood round his mouth".

And I hope other serving officers are brought to account over this. They have behaved no better than Nazi interrogators did- and that is not hyperbole.

Thanks JohnnyP.......I can never understand, well yes I can, the UK is filled with biggoted little englanders, my country right or wrong.
That is why this man received so much support for his totally unacceptable behaviour

You haven't silenced us at all. Your just so opinionated and aggressive that we actually feel that our energy would be better channeled elsewhere than arguing with the likes of you!

Danfio21 wrote:
You haven't silenced us at all. Your just so opinionated and aggressive that we actually feel that our energy would be better channeled elsewhere than arguing with the likes of you!

Yes, it's aways difficult and wearysome to argue against the truth and what is right, it's like trying to strike the wind and win.

The torture by British soldiers was appalling,but at the trials it was agreed that Dr Keilloh not only was not involved in the cruelty but tried to resuscitate Mr Mousa.
The 10pm BBC1 news on the Dec 21, the day of the GMC decision, mentioned in the same news item both the action against Dr Keilloh and the fact that the British Government was paying out millions (14K up to then) to victims of torture, in some cases without court evidence.This seems to suggest that Dr Keilloh is being used as a scapegoat to reduce the chance of further such demands from Basra.
The overwhelming views of his Northallerton patients of this exceptional GP seem to have been largely ignored.