Pickles tells North-East council leaders of "talking tosh" over spending cuts

The Northern Echo: Nick Forbes Nick Forbes

A CABINET minister yesterday told North-East council leaders to stop moaning about painful spending cuts - accusing them of talking "complete tosh".

Eric Pickles, the Communities Secretary, ripped into town hall bosses, insisting the savings could be found from smarter procurement deals, shared working with neighbouring councils and curbing administration costs.

Mr Pickles flatly rejected the evidence that poorer, urban areas were being hit by steeper cuts than wealthier parts of England - describing that claim as "absolutely ludicrous".

And he turned his fire on Nick Forbes, the Labour leader of Newcastle City Council, which plans to axe its entire £2.5m budget for arts organisations, as it strives to save £90m a year.

Accusing Mr Forbes of aiming to "send a message" to ministers, Mr Pickles said; "There's only one reason why it's been cut and that's Nick's decision.

"It's time he took some of the responsibility on to his own shoulders and dealt with it. And if he can't deal with it, then stand aside and let someone else deal with it."

The blast came a few weeks after the Association of North East Councils (ANEC) warned of a further £100m of "stealth cuts" - and an extra 1,000 job losses - about to strike the region's town halls.

They set out a grim future when local councils will have no money to do anything other than provide care for the vulnerable and collect the weekly rubbish.

But, talking to The Northern Echo at Westminster, Mr Pickles said: "It wouldn't matter if David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband, or Mao Tse-tung was running the government - the level of public spending was going to come down.

"Council leaders were warned it was coming down, they were warned by Labour it was coming down, and some chose to ignore that.

"And some have chosen to use the poor as a battering ram - and I think that's a dereliction of duty."

Mr Pickles urged any council wanting to raise more cash to face the voters - by staging and winning a referendum, required for any planned council tax rise above two per cent.

He added: "Funnily enough, in all these cries and screams of 'we can't cope' that's the one option they are not prepared to go with."

But Simon Henig, the Labour leader of Durham County Council - which has also cut £90m from its budget - said: "Eric Pickles is in complete denial about the impact of government cuts and the year-on-year nature of them.

"His department also appears to have done no monitoring of the impact of those cuts on individual councils. It's not just North-East councils making these comments."

And Mr Forbes added: "Mr Pickles is feeling the heat of our lobbying. I hope that we are beginning to persuade him of the consequences of many of the unfair government cuts.

"As leader of the city council, it is my job to fight for Newcastle - and if Mr Pickles does not like that, then I make no apology."

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11:34pm Thu 13 Dec 12

spragger says...

'And some have chosen to use the poor as a battering ram '
Yep, that's our Northern Labour Councils ..
The cheek, York Council is putting up CT whilst increasing Councillors expenses.
We still have £200k pa Chief Execs, get rid of them, no one will miss them.

Discretionary overtime, temporary workers, high salaries, gold plated pensions,
Loads of people with Climate Change, Political, compliance, european & Diversity in their job title. Non of which do anything for the taxpayer.

Come on Labour Councils, do something for your taxpayers instead of playing politics
'And some have chosen to use the poor as a battering ram ' Yep, that's our Northern Labour Councils .. The cheek, York Council is putting up CT whilst increasing Councillors expenses. We still have £200k pa Chief Execs, get rid of them, no one will miss them. Discretionary overtime, temporary workers, high salaries, gold plated pensions, Loads of people with Climate Change, Political, compliance, european & Diversity in their job title. Non of which do anything for the taxpayer. Come on Labour Councils, do something for your taxpayers instead of playing politics spragger

11:50pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Homshaw1 says...

Not a great fan of Pickles but there are large amounts of waste in local councils. Trouble is they cut in areas that suite their political agenda not in those that have a minimal effect on the ratepayer
Not a great fan of Pickles but there are large amounts of waste in local councils. Trouble is they cut in areas that suite their political agenda not in those that have a minimal effect on the ratepayer Homshaw1

1:09am Fri 14 Dec 12

fratia says...

He is a right pickle isn't he? Out of touch with the real world
He is a right pickle isn't he? Out of touch with the real world fratia

1:24am Fri 14 Dec 12

Graeme_r says...

spragger wrote:
'And some have chosen to use the poor as a battering ram '
Yep, that's our Northern Labour Councils ..
The cheek, York Council is putting up CT whilst increasing Councillors expenses.
We still have £200k pa Chief Execs, get rid of them, no one will miss them.

Discretionary overtime, temporary workers, high salaries, gold plated pensions,
Loads of people with Climate Change, Political, compliance, european & Diversity in their job title. Non of which do anything for the taxpayer.

Come on Labour Councils, do something for your taxpayers instead of playing politics
"High Salaries", discretionary overtime and "Gold Plated Pensions" epitomise some of the Daily Mail influenced views being propagated. The salaries of many Council employees aren't much higher than the minimum wage and the proposed Career average scheme you may view as Gold Plated is in fact inferior to the Tesco Pension scheme. Do some research before touting this misinformed tosh.
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: 'And some have chosen to use the poor as a battering ram ' Yep, that's our Northern Labour Councils .. The cheek, York Council is putting up CT whilst increasing Councillors expenses. We still have £200k pa Chief Execs, get rid of them, no one will miss them. Discretionary overtime, temporary workers, high salaries, gold plated pensions, Loads of people with Climate Change, Political, compliance, european & Diversity in their job title. Non of which do anything for the taxpayer. Come on Labour Councils, do something for your taxpayers instead of playing politics[/p][/quote]"High Salaries", discretionary overtime and "Gold Plated Pensions" epitomise some of the Daily Mail influenced views being propagated. The salaries of many Council employees aren't much higher than the minimum wage and the proposed Career average scheme you may view as Gold Plated is in fact inferior to the Tesco Pension scheme. Do some research before touting this misinformed tosh. Graeme_r

5:16am Fri 14 Dec 12

BMD says...

Chief Executives Salary in the North-East :-

Roger Kelly - Gateshead - £252,957

George Garlick – Durham - £242,485

Dave Smith – Sunderland - £238,967

John Marsden – North Tyneside - £199,418

Barry Rowland - Newcastle upon Tyne - £199,101

Paul Walker – Hartlepool - £196,934

Ada Burns – Darlington - £187,573

Steve Stewart - Northumberland - £172,498

Ian Parker - Middlesbrough - £167,471

Amanda Skelton - Redcar and Cleveland - £167,329

Kersten England – York - £156,318

Richard Flinton - North Yorkshire - £138,968

Chief Executives Salary Total : £2,320,019

This does not include expenses, bonuses or pensions. Value for Money or has Mr. Pickles got a point?
Chief Executives Salary in the North-East :- Roger Kelly - Gateshead - £252,957 George Garlick – Durham - £242,485 Dave Smith – Sunderland - £238,967 John Marsden – North Tyneside - £199,418 Barry Rowland - Newcastle upon Tyne - £199,101 Paul Walker – Hartlepool - £196,934 Ada Burns – Darlington - £187,573 Steve Stewart - Northumberland - £172,498 Ian Parker - Middlesbrough - £167,471 Amanda Skelton - Redcar and Cleveland - £167,329 Kersten England – York - £156,318 Richard Flinton - North Yorkshire - £138,968 Chief Executives Salary Total : £2,320,019 This does not include expenses, bonuses or pensions. Value for Money or has Mr. Pickles got a point? BMD

8:43am Fri 14 Dec 12

Darloresident says...

Last year Darlington Council Tax payers had to pay an increase of over 5% despite the fact that if our profligate council had taken government money there would have been no increase to tax payers and there would have been a 2% monetary increase courtesy of the government..
Even with this massive increase this Darlington council in 2011/12 still cut services,staff and subsidies and increased across the board their income streams including car parking charges,domestic rubbish disposal etc..
I have no doubt that the 2% once again on offer from the government this year will not be accepted by our incompetent/useless/
inefficient Council - this will for another year give the residents once again an inflation busting tax increase together with service cuts and higher ammenity charges.
Believe it or not I am not political..Its just that year on year I see the mess this council leaves this town in with money spent on ill thought out/unwanted projects and then blames central goverment and lack of funds to justify anwarranted Council tax increases.
Next year its wheely bins...God help us when this shower try to implement another costly unwanted (by most) project
Last year Darlington Council Tax payers had to pay an increase of over 5% despite the fact that if our profligate council had taken government money there would have been no increase to tax payers and there would have been a 2% monetary increase courtesy of the government.. Even with this massive increase this Darlington council in 2011/12 still cut services,staff and subsidies and increased across the board their income streams including car parking charges,domestic rubbish disposal etc.. I have no doubt that the 2% once again on offer from the government this year will not be accepted by our incompetent/useless/ inefficient Council - this will for another year give the residents once again an inflation busting tax increase together with service cuts and higher ammenity charges. Believe it or not I am not political..Its just that year on year I see the mess this council leaves this town in with money spent on ill thought out/unwanted projects and then blames central goverment and lack of funds to justify anwarranted Council tax increases. Next year its wheely bins...God help us when this shower try to implement another costly unwanted (by most) project Darloresident

9:04am Fri 14 Dec 12

st-george1 says...

Stigma of the North East once again and Mr Pickles is spot on in my view … Every time there’s an attempt to excuse or hide things or blame the government, it creates the impression that there’s something much more fraudulent and maybe corrupt going on … especially in the Public Sector institutions …
Stigma of the North East once again and Mr Pickles is spot on in my view … Every time there’s an attempt to excuse or hide things or blame the government, it creates the impression that there’s something much more fraudulent and maybe corrupt going on … especially in the Public Sector institutions … st-george1

9:11am Fri 14 Dec 12

Idontknowaboutyoubut says...

Darloresident says"believe it or not,I am not political"
You are right.I don't believe it.Just like I don't believe"Fat Cat"Pickles.How that Bully Boy has the nerve to accuse LABOUR council leaders of playing politics beggars belief.The North East councils are faced with making MASSIVE cuts.Not their choice to do so.It is political ideology that is driving the cuts...right wing ideology!
JUST WHO IS PLAYING POLITICS,MR.PICKLES?
Darloresident says"believe it or not,I am not political" You are right.I don't believe it.Just like I don't believe"Fat Cat"Pickles.How that Bully Boy has the nerve to accuse LABOUR council leaders of playing politics beggars belief.The North East councils are faced with making MASSIVE cuts.Not their choice to do so.It is political ideology that is driving the cuts...right wing ideology! JUST WHO IS PLAYING POLITICS,MR.PICKLES? Idontknowaboutyoubut

9:31am Fri 14 Dec 12

BMD says...

My Christmas Wish.....

Could Mr. Pickles please send an audit team to investigate and advise DBC how to make savings without cutting vital services, because DBC are inept at management.
My Christmas Wish..... Could Mr. Pickles please send an audit team to investigate and advise DBC how to make savings without cutting vital services, because DBC are inept at management. BMD

10:16am Fri 14 Dec 12

Darloresident says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
Darloresident says"believe it or not,I am not political"
You are right.I don't believe it.Just like I don't believe"Fat Cat"Pickles.How that Bully Boy has the nerve to accuse LABOUR council leaders of playing politics beggars belief.The North East councils are faced with making MASSIVE cuts.Not their choice to do so.It is political ideology that is driving the cuts...right wing ideology!
JUST WHO IS PLAYING POLITICS,MR.PICKLES?
I am not actively involved in politics.I do however expect good value for tax payers hard earned money.You on the other hand seem to think the answer to any request to spend available money more efficiently is to ignore the reality of our current economic climate.You profess that poitical ideology and not economic circumstances are the motivators behind Eric Pickles broadside.
I suspect the public purse would soon be empty with views held by people like yourself...i
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: Darloresident says"believe it or not,I am not political" You are right.I don't believe it.Just like I don't believe"Fat Cat"Pickles.How that Bully Boy has the nerve to accuse LABOUR council leaders of playing politics beggars belief.The North East councils are faced with making MASSIVE cuts.Not their choice to do so.It is political ideology that is driving the cuts...right wing ideology! JUST WHO IS PLAYING POLITICS,MR.PICKLES?[/p][/quote]I am not actively involved in politics.I do however expect good value for tax payers hard earned money.You on the other hand seem to think the answer to any request to spend available money more efficiently is to ignore the reality of our current economic climate.You profess that poitical ideology and not economic circumstances are the motivators behind Eric Pickles broadside. I suspect the public purse would soon be empty with views held by people like yourself...i Darloresident

11:02am Fri 14 Dec 12

bingbong says...

Funny how Mr Pickles has a lot to say about "labour run" councils cutting services while accidentally "forgetting" about all the Tory run councils that are also slashing and burning their libraries, arts facilities, bus services, waste recycling centres, sure start centres etc etc. How come they can't find their savings by sharing services, better procurement etc?
.
And as usual, the chief exec pay thing is trotted out. Add up the pay and expenses of ALL chief execs for ALL north east councils and then sack them all. I bet you still wouldn't even come close to saving what just ONE council has to save.
Funny how Mr Pickles has a lot to say about "labour run" councils cutting services while accidentally "forgetting" about all the Tory run councils that are also slashing and burning their libraries, arts facilities, bus services, waste recycling centres, sure start centres etc etc. How come they can't find their savings by sharing services, better procurement etc? . And as usual, the chief exec pay thing is trotted out. Add up the pay and expenses of ALL chief execs for ALL north east councils and then sack them all. I bet you still wouldn't even come close to saving what just ONE council has to save. bingbong

12:47pm Fri 14 Dec 12

BMD says...

bingbong wrote:
Funny how Mr Pickles has a lot to say about "labour run" councils cutting services while accidentally "forgetting" about all the Tory run councils that are also slashing and burning their libraries, arts facilities, bus services, waste recycling centres, sure start centres etc etc. How come they can't find their savings by sharing services, better procurement etc? . And as usual, the chief exec pay thing is trotted out. Add up the pay and expenses of ALL chief execs for ALL north east councils and then sack them all. I bet you still wouldn't even come close to saving what just ONE council has to save.
Council Chief Executives value for money?
[quote][p][bold]bingbong[/bold] wrote: Funny how Mr Pickles has a lot to say about "labour run" councils cutting services while accidentally "forgetting" about all the Tory run councils that are also slashing and burning their libraries, arts facilities, bus services, waste recycling centres, sure start centres etc etc. How come they can't find their savings by sharing services, better procurement etc? . And as usual, the chief exec pay thing is trotted out. Add up the pay and expenses of ALL chief execs for ALL north east councils and then sack them all. I bet you still wouldn't even come close to saving what just ONE council has to save.[/p][/quote]Council Chief Executives value for money? BMD

1:44pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Pete Sakes says...

One cut I haven't seen is in the number of useless MP's we have. Why do we need 650 of these worthless overpaid, over expensed parasites? If we must have any it should be limited to only one for each county, and blow the rest out. The country, i.e. us, would save an absolute fortune.
One cut I haven't seen is in the number of useless MP's we have. Why do we need 650 of these worthless overpaid, over expensed parasites? If we must have any it should be limited to only one for each county, and blow the rest out. The country, i.e. us, would save an absolute fortune. Pete Sakes

2:46pm Fri 14 Dec 12

loonyleft says...

Pickles is a dam liar, if we burned his fat carcase,you could keep a power station going for a week!!!
Pickles is a dam liar, if we burned his fat carcase,you could keep a power station going for a week!!! loonyleft

4:54pm Fri 14 Dec 12

the-big-yin says...

D.c.c. are a total waste of space...they appear to have jobs for the boys for life...
wasting money left, right and centre..
they let their workers take vehicles home and you see their workers riding around in them out of council hours...In Crook there are at least 15 vehicles there...So times that by all areas and that is a hell of a lot of money wasted allowing them to use the vehicles to go to and from work....
Which other company do you know that allows the use of vehicles in this way?
Stop the overtime and chauffeur driven cars, free food and drinks and the the gadgets given to councilors.
plus the £25,000 each councilor gets to give away to good causes or charities. This is usually the local football or cricket club....
ALL COUNCILS WASTE CASH AND IT WILL KEEP GOING ON FOREVER AS THEY LOVE THE " GRAVY TRAIN " THEY ARE RIDING
D.c.c. are a total waste of space...they appear to have jobs for the boys for life... wasting money left, right and centre.. they let their workers take vehicles home and you see their workers riding around in them out of council hours...In Crook there are at least 15 vehicles there...So times that by all areas and that is a hell of a lot of money wasted allowing them to use the vehicles to go to and from work.... Which other company do you know that allows the use of vehicles in this way? Stop the overtime and chauffeur driven cars, free food and drinks and the the gadgets given to councilors. plus the £25,000 each councilor gets to give away to good causes or charities. This is usually the local football or cricket club.... ALL COUNCILS WASTE CASH AND IT WILL KEEP GOING ON FOREVER AS THEY LOVE THE " GRAVY TRAIN " THEY ARE RIDING the-big-yin

8:16pm Fri 14 Dec 12

loonyleft says...

big yin, The whole point is the gravy train is ending for everyone eventually,if you think council officials are doing well for themselves the people enforcing the cutbacks to the councils are doing ten times better.
big yin, The whole point is the gravy train is ending for everyone eventually,if you think council officials are doing well for themselves the people enforcing the cutbacks to the councils are doing ten times better. loonyleft

9:48pm Fri 14 Dec 12

cllrmarkwilkes says...

the-big-yin wrote:
D.c.c. are a total waste of space...they appear to have jobs for the boys for life...
wasting money left, right and centre..
they let their workers take vehicles home and you see their workers riding around in them out of council hours...In Crook there are at least 15 vehicles there...So times that by all areas and that is a hell of a lot of money wasted allowing them to use the vehicles to go to and from work....
Which other company do you know that allows the use of vehicles in this way?
Stop the overtime and chauffeur driven cars, free food and drinks and the the gadgets given to councilors.
plus the £25,000 each councilor gets to give away to good causes or charities. This is usually the local football or cricket club....
ALL COUNCILS WASTE CASH AND IT WILL KEEP GOING ON FOREVER AS THEY LOVE THE " GRAVY TRAIN " THEY ARE RIDING
big-yin

The £25k you refer to isn't all spent on football teams. To give an example in my area we have used money to build new play areas, towards regenerating Pity Me Front St which had seen no investment for decades, to put new equipment into the local leisure centre, to resurface roads and footpaths, to put solar panels on a parish pavillion which is saving money and will bring in thousands in income over the next 20 years, to install speed visors to promote slower driving and improve road safety............th
ere is a smaller grant fund which can be used to help local sports teams, but I see no reason why we shouldn't promote sport.

I would also point out that I got the £12k spent on councillor buffets scrapped over a year ago. Although you may be interested to know that the position Chairman of Durham County Council gets a £12800 clothing allowance over 2 years, which the council haven't even been publishing, on top of £6650 for being chair and £13300 for being a councillor. Opposition councillors called for a cut in councillor costs but Labour voted it down - I wonder why?

Some councillors do work hard to cut the waste and stop excessive expenses.
[quote][p][bold]the-big-yin[/bold] wrote: D.c.c. are a total waste of space...they appear to have jobs for the boys for life... wasting money left, right and centre.. they let their workers take vehicles home and you see their workers riding around in them out of council hours...In Crook there are at least 15 vehicles there...So times that by all areas and that is a hell of a lot of money wasted allowing them to use the vehicles to go to and from work.... Which other company do you know that allows the use of vehicles in this way? Stop the overtime and chauffeur driven cars, free food and drinks and the the gadgets given to councilors. plus the £25,000 each councilor gets to give away to good causes or charities. This is usually the local football or cricket club.... ALL COUNCILS WASTE CASH AND IT WILL KEEP GOING ON FOREVER AS THEY LOVE THE " GRAVY TRAIN " THEY ARE RIDING[/p][/quote]big-yin The £25k you refer to isn't all spent on football teams. To give an example in my area we have used money to build new play areas, towards regenerating Pity Me Front St which had seen no investment for decades, to put new equipment into the local leisure centre, to resurface roads and footpaths, to put solar panels on a parish pavillion which is saving money and will bring in thousands in income over the next 20 years, to install speed visors to promote slower driving and improve road safety............th ere is a smaller grant fund which can be used to help local sports teams, but I see no reason why we shouldn't promote sport. I would also point out that I got the £12k spent on councillor buffets scrapped over a year ago. Although you may be interested to know that the position Chairman of Durham County Council gets a £12800 clothing allowance over 2 years, which the council haven't even been publishing, on top of £6650 for being chair and £13300 for being a councillor. Opposition councillors called for a cut in councillor costs but Labour voted it down - I wonder why? Some councillors do work hard to cut the waste and stop excessive expenses. cllrmarkwilkes

9:12am Sat 15 Dec 12

mark.wilkinson says...

Talk about stating the bleedin obvious! Mr Pickles.

Here's an idea for you, instead of just stating the bleeding obvious, why don't you and the fat pigs down there in Westminster do something about it?
Talk about stating the bleedin obvious! Mr Pickles. Here's an idea for you, instead of just stating the bleeding obvious, why don't you and the fat pigs down there in Westminster do something about it? mark.wilkinson

5:51pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Lifetime Townie says...

Darloresident wrote:
Last year Darlington Council Tax payers had to pay an increase of over 5% despite the fact that if our profligate council had taken government money there would have been no increase to tax payers and there would have been a 2% monetary increase courtesy of the government.. Even with this massive increase this Darlington council in 2011/12 still cut services,staff and subsidies and increased across the board their income streams including car parking charges,domestic rubbish disposal etc.. I have no doubt that the 2% once again on offer from the government this year will not be accepted by our incompetent/useless/ inefficient Council - this will for another year give the residents once again an inflation busting tax increase together with service cuts and higher ammenity charges. Believe it or not I am not political..Its just that year on year I see the mess this council leaves this town in with money spent on ill thought out/unwanted projects and then blames central goverment and lack of funds to justify anwarranted Council tax increases. Next year its wheely bins...God help us when this shower try to implement another costly unwanted (by most) project
Exactly, why do Darlo Council blow money on things that the public don.t want and then blame the gov. for having to increase CTax. We don't wheelie bins and there is no case whatsoever to have them and why do they still force the Darlington Together propaganda mag. on us costing US thousands of pounds each year. They are not looking after public interest only playing at politics using our money after we voted them in. We need a good clean out in the town hall from top downwards . Give us some sensible town managers! Would the council hierarchy please read read this, it applies to you
[quote][p][bold]Darloresident[/bold] wrote: Last year Darlington Council Tax payers had to pay an increase of over 5% despite the fact that if our profligate council had taken government money there would have been no increase to tax payers and there would have been a 2% monetary increase courtesy of the government.. Even with this massive increase this Darlington council in 2011/12 still cut services,staff and subsidies and increased across the board their income streams including car parking charges,domestic rubbish disposal etc.. I have no doubt that the 2% once again on offer from the government this year will not be accepted by our incompetent/useless/ inefficient Council - this will for another year give the residents once again an inflation busting tax increase together with service cuts and higher ammenity charges. Believe it or not I am not political..Its just that year on year I see the mess this council leaves this town in with money spent on ill thought out/unwanted projects and then blames central goverment and lack of funds to justify anwarranted Council tax increases. Next year its wheely bins...God help us when this shower try to implement another costly unwanted (by most) project[/p][/quote]Exactly, why do Darlo Council blow money on things that the public don.t want and then blame the gov. for having to increase CTax. We don't wheelie bins and there is no case whatsoever to have them and why do they still force the Darlington Together propaganda mag. on us costing US thousands of pounds each year. They are not looking after public interest only playing at politics using our money after we voted them in. We need a good clean out in the town hall from top downwards . Give us some sensible town managers! Would the council hierarchy please read read this, it applies to you Lifetime Townie

6:51pm Sat 15 Dec 12

spragger says...

Graeme_r wrote:
spragger wrote:
'And some have chosen to use the poor as a battering ram '
Yep, that's our Northern Labour Councils ..
The cheek, York Council is putting up CT whilst increasing Councillors expenses.
We still have £200k pa Chief Execs, get rid of them, no one will miss them.

Discretionary overtime, temporary workers, high salaries, gold plated pensions,
Loads of people with Climate Change, Political, compliance, european & Diversity in their job title. Non of which do anything for the taxpayer.

Come on Labour Councils, do something for your taxpayers instead of playing politics
"High Salaries", discretionary overtime and "Gold Plated Pensions" epitomise some of the Daily Mail influenced views being propagated. The salaries of many Council employees aren't much higher than the minimum wage and the proposed Career average scheme you may view as Gold Plated is in fact inferior to the Tesco Pension scheme. Do some research before touting this misinformed tosh.
Thats OK Council employee but those that pay Council Tax and Income tax need to see this Council gravy train halted . .
[quote][p][bold]Graeme_r[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: 'And some have chosen to use the poor as a battering ram ' Yep, that's our Northern Labour Councils .. The cheek, York Council is putting up CT whilst increasing Councillors expenses. We still have £200k pa Chief Execs, get rid of them, no one will miss them. Discretionary overtime, temporary workers, high salaries, gold plated pensions, Loads of people with Climate Change, Political, compliance, european & Diversity in their job title. Non of which do anything for the taxpayer. Come on Labour Councils, do something for your taxpayers instead of playing politics[/p][/quote]"High Salaries", discretionary overtime and "Gold Plated Pensions" epitomise some of the Daily Mail influenced views being propagated. The salaries of many Council employees aren't much higher than the minimum wage and the proposed Career average scheme you may view as Gold Plated is in fact inferior to the Tesco Pension scheme. Do some research before touting this misinformed tosh.[/p][/quote]Thats OK Council employee but those that pay Council Tax and Income tax need to see this Council gravy train halted . . spragger

9:17pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loonyleft says...

lifetime townie, How much do you propose paying these managers you want to bring in,minimum wage?
lifetime townie, How much do you propose paying these managers you want to bring in,minimum wage? loonyleft

9:26pm Sat 15 Dec 12

spottycow says...

WHY dont our councils fetch money out of the reserves to tie them over this bad patch or are they just happy to see us all suffering these cuts were all in it together so you fat cats do your BIT.
WHY dont our councils fetch money out of the reserves to tie them over this bad patch or are they just happy to see us all suffering these cuts were all in it together so you fat cats do your BIT. spottycow

9:29pm Sat 15 Dec 12

spottycow says...

WHY dont the fat.cat concils fetch reserves out to tie us over or are they hiding something from us .
WHY dont the fat.cat concils fetch reserves out to tie us over or are they hiding something from us . spottycow

10:52am Sun 16 Dec 12

the-big-yin says...

loonyleft wrote:
big yin, The whole point is the gravy train is ending for everyone eventually,if you think council officials are doing well for themselves the people enforcing the cutbacks to the councils are doing ten times better.
exactly.....
things need to change....
but they never will, until there is a change at the top....
[quote][p][bold]loonyleft[/bold] wrote: big yin, The whole point is the gravy train is ending for everyone eventually,if you think council officials are doing well for themselves the people enforcing the cutbacks to the councils are doing ten times better.[/p][/quote]exactly..... things need to change.... but they never will, until there is a change at the top.... the-big-yin

10:59am Sun 16 Dec 12

the-big-yin says...

cllrmarkwilkes wrote:
the-big-yin wrote:
D.c.c. are a total waste of space...they appear to have jobs for the boys for life...
wasting money left, right and centre..
they let their workers take vehicles home and you see their workers riding around in them out of council hours...In Crook there are at least 15 vehicles there...So times that by all areas and that is a hell of a lot of money wasted allowing them to use the vehicles to go to and from work....
Which other company do you know that allows the use of vehicles in this way?
Stop the overtime and chauffeur driven cars, free food and drinks and the the gadgets given to councilors.
plus the £25,000 each councilor gets to give away to good causes or charities. This is usually the local football or cricket club....
ALL COUNCILS WASTE CASH AND IT WILL KEEP GOING ON FOREVER AS THEY LOVE THE " GRAVY TRAIN " THEY ARE RIDING
big-yin

The £25k you refer to isn't all spent on football teams. To give an example in my area we have used money to build new play areas, towards regenerating Pity Me Front St which had seen no investment for decades, to put new equipment into the local leisure centre, to resurface roads and footpaths, to put solar panels on a parish pavillion which is saving money and will bring in thousands in income over the next 20 years, to install speed visors to promote slower driving and improve road safety............th

ere is a smaller grant fund which can be used to help local sports teams, but I see no reason why we shouldn't promote sport.

I would also point out that I got the £12k spent on councillor buffets scrapped over a year ago. Although you may be interested to know that the position Chairman of Durham County Council gets a £12800 clothing allowance over 2 years, which the council haven't even been publishing, on top of £6650 for being chair and £13300 for being a councillor. Opposition councillors called for a cut in councillor costs but Labour voted it down - I wonder why?

Some councillors do work hard to cut the waste and stop excessive expenses.
Why should you as councilors be given this money?
In Crook where i live it always seems to be given to Crook cricket club, that was when councilor Murphy was welcome there and now it is Crook football club where he has wormed in now....This money is tax payers money.....
Why don-t you publish a list on here of all those hidden expenses, benefits and benefits given to councilors. In the future why not make the councils none political and have people running the council that really do care about their communities....so come on fill these comment pages with all of the above perks....Oh and by the way i think your a decent councilor for doing those things, however all perks should be stopped...
[quote][p][bold]cllrmarkwilkes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the-big-yin[/bold] wrote: D.c.c. are a total waste of space...they appear to have jobs for the boys for life... wasting money left, right and centre.. they let their workers take vehicles home and you see their workers riding around in them out of council hours...In Crook there are at least 15 vehicles there...So times that by all areas and that is a hell of a lot of money wasted allowing them to use the vehicles to go to and from work.... Which other company do you know that allows the use of vehicles in this way? Stop the overtime and chauffeur driven cars, free food and drinks and the the gadgets given to councilors. plus the £25,000 each councilor gets to give away to good causes or charities. This is usually the local football or cricket club.... ALL COUNCILS WASTE CASH AND IT WILL KEEP GOING ON FOREVER AS THEY LOVE THE " GRAVY TRAIN " THEY ARE RIDING[/p][/quote]big-yin The £25k you refer to isn't all spent on football teams. To give an example in my area we have used money to build new play areas, towards regenerating Pity Me Front St which had seen no investment for decades, to put new equipment into the local leisure centre, to resurface roads and footpaths, to put solar panels on a parish pavillion which is saving money and will bring in thousands in income over the next 20 years, to install speed visors to promote slower driving and improve road safety............th ere is a smaller grant fund which can be used to help local sports teams, but I see no reason why we shouldn't promote sport. I would also point out that I got the £12k spent on councillor buffets scrapped over a year ago. Although you may be interested to know that the position Chairman of Durham County Council gets a £12800 clothing allowance over 2 years, which the council haven't even been publishing, on top of £6650 for being chair and £13300 for being a councillor. Opposition councillors called for a cut in councillor costs but Labour voted it down - I wonder why? Some councillors do work hard to cut the waste and stop excessive expenses.[/p][/quote]Why should you as councilors be given this money? In Crook where i live it always seems to be given to Crook cricket club, that was when councilor Murphy was welcome there and now it is Crook football club where he has wormed in now....This money is tax payers money..... Why don-t you publish a list on here of all those hidden expenses, benefits and benefits given to councilors. In the future why not make the councils none political and have people running the council that really do care about their communities....so come on fill these comment pages with all of the above perks....Oh and by the way i think your a decent councilor for doing those things, however all perks should be stopped... the-big-yin

1:56pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Lifetime Townie says...

loonyleft wrote:
lifetime townie, How much do you propose paying these managers you want to bring in,minimum wage?
Pay them in proportion to their responsibilies and the number of staff that they supervise. i.e. Between a third and a half of what they get now would be fair. National minimum wage doesn't really apply in this case. And then as there is not much money to spend on services then there wouldn't be the amount of work to do for the present squad of councillors, they could be reduced in quantity aswell
[quote][p][bold]loonyleft[/bold] wrote: lifetime townie, How much do you propose paying these managers you want to bring in,minimum wage?[/p][/quote]Pay them in proportion to their responsibilies and the number of staff that they supervise. i.e. Between a third and a half of what they get now would be fair. National minimum wage doesn't really apply in this case. And then as there is not much money to spend on services then there wouldn't be the amount of work to do for the present squad of councillors, they could be reduced in quantity aswell Lifetime Townie

2:04pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Lifetime Townie says...

Quote
Chief Executives Salary Total : £2,320,019

This does not include expenses, bonuses or pensions. Value for Money or has Mr. Pickles got a point?”
Yes he has a good point. If we add NICs, health benefits, golden pensions, staff cars and other perks then we could add 40% to the basic figures making about £3,248,026
Quote Chief Executives Salary Total : £2,320,019 This does not include expenses, bonuses or pensions. Value for Money or has Mr. Pickles got a point?” Yes he has a good point. If we add NICs, health benefits, golden pensions, staff cars and other perks then we could add 40% to the basic figures making about £3,248,026 Lifetime Townie

3:18pm Sun 16 Dec 12

loonyleft says...

I've said before and i was told i was wrong ,eventually as well as the rank and file having to do with less pay ,bosses will have to have their pay reduced,and judging by the methods used to get the economy back in line that will continue for years to come.
I've said before and i was told i was wrong ,eventually as well as the rank and file having to do with less pay ,bosses will have to have their pay reduced,and judging by the methods used to get the economy back in line that will continue for years to come. loonyleft

11:23pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Homshaw1 says...

I can't believe councilors are allocated 25K to spend whether it is needed or not.

If people want to play cricket great but why would you expect the rate payer to pay for it

It sounds very much they are using ratepayers money to make sure they are reelected

They cut back on vital services claiming they have no cash and allocate money to councilors for non essential services

Councils should be replaced by by contractors. This sort of thing is a joke
I can't believe councilors are allocated 25K to spend whether it is needed or not. If people want to play cricket great but why would you expect the rate payer to pay for it It sounds very much they are using ratepayers money to make sure they are reelected They cut back on vital services claiming they have no cash and allocate money to councilors for non essential services Councils should be replaced by by contractors. This sort of thing is a joke Homshaw1

2:57pm Wed 19 Dec 12

CynicaloldGit says...

BMD wrote:
Chief Executives Salary in the North-East :-

Roger Kelly - Gateshead - £252,957

George Garlick – Durham - £242,485

Dave Smith – Sunderland - £238,967

John Marsden – North Tyneside - £199,418

Barry Rowland - Newcastle upon Tyne - £199,101

Paul Walker – Hartlepool - £196,934

Ada Burns – Darlington - £187,573

Steve Stewart - Northumberland - £172,498

Ian Parker - Middlesbrough - £167,471

Amanda Skelton - Redcar and Cleveland - £167,329

Kersten England – York - £156,318

Richard Flinton - North Yorkshire - £138,968

Chief Executives Salary Total : £2,320,019

This does not include expenses, bonuses or pensions. Value for Money or has Mr. Pickles got a point?
It's strange that when the ordinary plebs question high executive wages in the banks etc, the Gov't of which Fat Eric belongs, always say that these high salaries are needed to attract the best people.
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Chief Executives Salary in the North-East :- Roger Kelly - Gateshead - £252,957 George Garlick – Durham - £242,485 Dave Smith – Sunderland - £238,967 John Marsden – North Tyneside - £199,418 Barry Rowland - Newcastle upon Tyne - £199,101 Paul Walker – Hartlepool - £196,934 Ada Burns – Darlington - £187,573 Steve Stewart - Northumberland - £172,498 Ian Parker - Middlesbrough - £167,471 Amanda Skelton - Redcar and Cleveland - £167,329 Kersten England – York - £156,318 Richard Flinton - North Yorkshire - £138,968 Chief Executives Salary Total : £2,320,019 This does not include expenses, bonuses or pensions. Value for Money or has Mr. Pickles got a point?[/p][/quote]It's strange that when the ordinary plebs question high executive wages in the banks etc, the Gov't of which Fat Eric belongs, always say that these high salaries are needed to attract the best people. CynicaloldGit

5:28pm Wed 19 Dec 12

David Lacey says...

Well that didn't happen with the banks did it? Bunch of crooks! And it certainly hasn't happened in the LAs.
Well that didn't happen with the banks did it? Bunch of crooks! And it certainly hasn't happened in the LAs. David Lacey

5:45pm Wed 19 Dec 12

CynicaloldGit says...

David Lacey wrote:
Well that didn't happen with the banks did it? Bunch of crooks! And it certainly hasn't happened in the LAs.
my point exactly, but why is it a reason for bankers and executives of insurance. and charties, but not for LA c es? Just another case of one rule for some and another for others
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Well that didn't happen with the banks did it? Bunch of crooks! And it certainly hasn't happened in the LAs.[/p][/quote]my point exactly, but why is it a reason for bankers and executives of insurance. and charties, but not for LA c es? Just another case of one rule for some and another for others CynicaloldGit

7:06pm Wed 19 Dec 12

davesmithabc says...

Nick Forbes playing an obvious Labour card picking the thing to cut to get the highest attention. He couldn't care less about the arts, just looking after himself like all the rest. Don't hear him ever suggesting cuts in salaries of the fat cats at the Civic Centre - always playing politics, and not a very good player at that. Pickles is right - stand up and be counted... if you have the balls that is!
Nick Forbes playing an obvious Labour card picking the thing to cut to get the highest attention. He couldn't care less about the arts, just looking after himself like all the rest. Don't hear him ever suggesting cuts in salaries of the fat cats at the Civic Centre - always playing politics, and not a very good player at that. Pickles is right - stand up and be counted... if you have the balls that is! davesmithabc

7:11pm Wed 19 Dec 12

loonyleft says...

It's amazing how many communists get on this site, so everybody has to have hardly any money to make everyone the same,Stalin and Lenin would be over the moon!!
It's amazing how many communists get on this site, so everybody has to have hardly any money to make everyone the same,Stalin and Lenin would be over the moon!! loonyleft

11:48am Thu 20 Dec 12

David Lacey says...

Hello Dave Smith. Good message. But it's Labour that have the balls. Red Ed. God help them.
Hello Dave Smith. Good message. But it's Labour that have the balls. Red Ed. God help them. David Lacey

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