Islamic extremism (From The Northern Echo)

"It seems Mr Musgrave understands no more about Britain’s political system than the average Martian. For what possible reason would the Government seek to “Islamise”

the UK?

The only way Britain could become an Islamic state is if we vote for it."

Pete in you don't mind answering the following:

1) How did you vote in the referendum over Parliament transfer many of its powers to Brussels?

2) How did you vote in the referendum on the Maastricht treat?

3) How did you vote in the referendum so aspects of Sharia Law are incorporated in British law?

The truth is you didn't vote as these were all done against the wishes of the British public. But when placed in relation to your own arguement contradict and even disprove your own claims.

The Labour Government (and which ever party forms the next Government) doesn't desire to Islamise the UK, but rather it is elements of those Muslim extremists who've infiltrated the political system and have been able to get themselves into positions of power.

At Frankland prison near Durham City are several Muslims serving a life sentence for attempting to explosed a dirty bomb within the UK. Had they succeeded tens of thousands would have been murdered.

Last week it was reported in teletext that 5 Muslims had been arrested in Southern Ireland for planning a terrorist attack.

Tell those Islamic terrrorists how aren't connected tyo Islam4uk that there is no desire to make the UK into an Islamic state.

Peter we do not need to VOTE for islamifiction, its simply they will out breed us, or import more of their huge extended families to the UK.

In at least 5 London boroughs and parts of west yorkshire the indiginous Brits are a minority.

Less than 500,000 Britons moved into Africa and India during the days of the empire, and these were deemed invaders, imperialists and condemned for trying to change the indiginous cultures, The British were deemed evil for opening churchs and introducing British cultural traits to the african and asian cultures and over many years driven out of Africa and Asia. So why is it OK for them to affect the UK in a similar manner?

We have now recieved over 2.4 million muslims from Asia in the last 35 years, how does one accurately describe such huge numbers migrating and settling in another land if not an invasion or incursion?

Also the political leaders in Africa and Asia have stated that white europeans who's families have lived there for over 300 years will never be accept as African or Asian. So how do we respond to clasify the 2.4 million asiatics who have arrived here in the last 40 years ? Tourists?, Invaders?, Insurgents ?

If I may cite your letter slightly you point out that they make up less than 4 % of the population, Sir only 35 years ago they only made up 0.5 % , That is an alarming increase.

Asian culture does indeed have much wonderous facets to offer and benefit the UK, but the affect now is becoming destabilising.

I think you are being slightly conservatiove in your reflection about the numbers of muslims who are hostile to our western culture. There is little evidence showing integration of the muslims with everyone else, they dont in general socialise with us and heaven forbid the results of muslim childrens wanting to love and live with non approved , non muslims.

Large numbers of their community leaders and immams are openly hostile to Britain and its culture, According to the media the secret service is watching closely over 600 extremists in the UK alone.

The insidious neo nazi ideal of the far right and no different from the ideals of very large numbers of muslim extremists.

Peter with the utmost respect there is undeniable problems between the UK muslim community and most other UK cultures and faiths, and that has occured only over 30 or so years as the muslims rose to 4% of the population. How do you think our society is going to react or feel when those numbers surpass 5 , 6 or 7 % ?

I put it to you a lower percentage of Muslims in the UK would defuse much of the dissent and eliminate the extremists at my end of the political spectrum, That must be a good thing.

Keep writing the letters you trigger some good debating issues.

CT – I didn’t say that there was no desire to make the UK into an Islamic state. My point is that only a small minority of fanatics have that objective.
With regard to “incorporating aspect of sharia law into British law,” I think it important that readers of your post should know what you are talking about. Under the terms of Arbitration Act 1996, sharia courts in the UK are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, PROVIDED that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.
I think this is unfortunate, to say the least. To quote British Muslims for Secular Democracy (www.bmsd.org.uk):
“bmsd believes that the concept of parallel justice systems, is, in effect, a denial of inclusion and shared citizenship. The western legal systems grant men and women equal rights under a single set of rules, whereas some Islamic jurisprudence experts promote Sharia rules that contravene the Human Rights Act and civil liberties guaranteed under the English laws, such as freedom of expression, rights of women in cases of divorce, inheritance and testimony in court.”



However, it is difficult to argue against sharia courts when the Jewish Beth Din courts have operated in Britain for over 100 years on the same legal basis, and resolve all sorts of civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes.
It is important to stress, however, that there is no way in which we, as non-Muslims, are being subjected to any aspect of sharia law.
Finally, despite what you say, I don’t think there is the remotest chance of an Islamic state being established in Britain unless we vote for it. Muslim election candidates must expose themselves to intense public scrutiny, and if they have a hidden agenda, it will be exposed.



Steve –
You say Muslims will “outbreed” us. I think you have been paying too much attention to your idiot leader, Nigel Farage, and the paranoid Lord Pearson, who is too influenced by the rabid Islamophobe, Geert Wilders.
In response to a similar point made in HAS to by Adam Walker, I wrote:
“His (Walker’s) fears of an “Islamised Britain” are unfounded. Muslims constitute between three and four per cent of Europe’s population, and their birth rates are falling in line with national averages.
High birth rates are associated with poverty and illiteracy, not religion. Burundi, East Timor and Congo, which are mainly Christian, have among the world’s highest birth rates.
Tunisia, which is 99 per cent Muslim, has a similar birth rate to France – slightly above Britain, slightly below Ireland.
Furthermore, for many Muslim thinkers, Western ideals of democracy and pluralism are in line with Islamic principles, and the very notion of an “Islamic state” is anathema.
Most Turkish people are Muslim and also opposed to an Islamic state.”




You should read this:
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/books/2009/aug
/15/eurabia-islamoph
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Most Turkish people are Muslim and also opposed to an Islamic state.”

And thats why they recently elected a noted fundamentalist president who insists his wife wears a head covering, and why the military is so worried by the rise of fundamentalist islam in Turkey that they considered a coup.

On what basis do you refer to Abdullah Gul as a “fundamentalist”
? Before his election in 2007, he declared that he had cut his ties to political Islam, and affirmed his commitment to secularism. He spent four years as foreign minister, working for democratic reform and Turkey's EU membership.
The fact that millions of Turks demonstrated against his appointment as president, and that the military warned it would intervene to protect the secular system if required actually SUPPORTS my contention that most Turks are opposed to an Islamic state.
99 percent of Turkish people are Muslims, and the number of Turks who want an Islamic state fell from 20% in 1999 to 9% in 2007, when Gul was elected.
Gul has been awarded the 2010 Chatham House prize, recognising him as “a significant figure for reconciliation and moderation within Turkey and internationally” and for “consolidating civilian democratic rule” in Turkey and bringing in “extensive political and legal reforms to bring the country closer to European standards of democracy and human rights.”
There is absolutely no basis for saying that he “insists his wife wears a head covering.” I expect she wears a headscarf because she wants to. It is hardly a sign of extremism!!

Oh good, another pointless thread where racists air their horrible views.

*shakes head slowly* wrote:
Oh good, another pointless thread where racists air their horrible views.

It gives you the chance to add nothing worthwhile as usual to the debate.

...and the point of your own comment was..??? You're not just racist - you hate everybody!!!!

SHS,Aycliffe,why do you persistently use numerous exclamation and question marks in your posts?Either you don't understand their correct usage or you use them in a pathetic attempt to emphasise your rather pointless posts-another billy sad in the making perhaps!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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paula46 wrote:
SHS,Aycliffe,why do you persistently use numerous exclamation and question marks in your posts?Either you don't understand their correct usage or you use them in a pathetic attempt to emphasise your rather pointless posts-another billy sad in the making perhaps!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Because he has nothing intelligent or positive to contribute to the Northern Winstanley, sorry Northern Echo .

Hey paula - you're in there!!!!!!
Make $'s fast by holding down SHIFT and 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLLLL!!!!!!!!

This isn't an exam, you nit-picker - and ss is not my yardstick of whether what I type is intelligent or not!!!!!! LOLLL!!!!!!!

Further proof that care in the community has been a disaster.

Super steve wrote:

paula46 wrote: SHS,Aycliffe,why do you persistently use numerous exclamation and question marks in your posts?Either you don't understand their correct usage or you use them in a pathetic attempt to emphasise your rather pointless posts-another billy sad in the making perhaps!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Because he has nothing intelligent or positive to contribute to the Northern Winstanley, sorry Northern Echo .

Funny, innit? Many other writers get as many letters into the Echo as I do (e.g. Geoffrey Bulmer) but Steve doesn’t start making jokes about the Northern Bulmer, does he?

Is this because he doesn’t get so hot under the collar about Mr Bulmer’s letters, or is he just making silly comments because he has no answer to what I said about the Turkish president, Abdullah Gul?