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Integration
11:55am Monday 8th February 2010 in
PETE Winstanley says I am talking “nonsense” about the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Britons from parts of their own homeland (HAS, Jan 30). I know it might be hard for Mr Winstanley to see this when residing in an area of Britain that according to the 2001 census was 97.7 per cent white.
You only have to travel to places like Bradford, Burnley, Oldham and Leicester to see entire districts where the indigenous population no longer resides.
Mr Winstanley puts it down to white people becoming more affluent than their ethnic counterparts and moving out of an area, allowing more people from ethnic minorities to move in.
Nonsense. Many poor indigenous Britons simply move to other economically and socially-deprived areas to be with their kin. This is not racism, but tribalism as human beings are tribal animals and prefer to live among their own kind.
If Mr Winstanley insists on more social engineering with forced integration and in saying I am wrong, then I challenge him to take me on in the General Election and let the people of North Durham decide what they want for themselves and their children’s future.
Pete Molloy, BNP Prospective Parliamentary Candidate, North Durham.
RALPH Musgrave thinks that I am not qualified to comment on matters of immigration and integration because of where I live (HAS, Feb 4).
Readers may be amused to learn that I live just two miles from Mr Musgrave, and that I lived much closer to him for 12 years before moving to my present address.
I am very familiar with the area of Newcastle where BNP regional organiser Ken Booth lives. Perhaps Mr Musgrave thinks that I just sit at home, and that nothing I say is based on experience.
I was born just south of London, and lived in Birmingham, York and South Wales before moving to Durham.
Until recently, I was a frequent visitor to Bradford and Leeds, because my children were at university there, my daughter living in a mainly Muslim area of Leeds. I regularly visit friends and close relatives in London and other British cities, and in several foreign countries.
On the basis of Mr Musgrave’s argument, BNP leader Nick Griffin is certainly not qualified to comment on life in Britain’s cities, because he lives on a farm in Wales.
Pete Winstanley, Durham.
Comments(24)
chriswhite
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12:46pm Mon 8 Feb 10
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The fact that these people are ethnic minorities tells you absolutely nothing else about them.
J.Moffatt
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1:06pm Mon 8 Feb 10
chriswhite
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1:17pm Mon 8 Feb 10
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The children or grandchildren of the first wave of carribean migrants are by and large as British as I am. They just happen to have darker skin.
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If if it did, what does that matter? Why do you assume that accomodating their culture is at the expense of ours? Culture is effectively the cumulative effect of individual behaviour. How I choose to act (within the law) doesn't remotely prevent you from acting as you wish.
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And as for crime, I'll repeat what I wrote on the other thread, since you obviously chose not to read any replies but to post and run again:
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14% of prisoners to be precise, or (as of June 2009), 11350 people. Thses people came from 165 countries. But just ten countries account for more than half of the foreign-national prison population, and one of the top three is the Republic of Ireland.
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Among British nationals, 20% of prisoners are from an ethnic group. Clearly they're overrepresented, but that's more to do with being more likely to be in poverty (for obvious historical reasons) than anything else.
J.Moffatt
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2:35pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Cheers Mr White of Spenny.
chriswhite
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2:42pm Mon 8 Feb 10
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No, not a further 20%. 20% of the British-born prison population. Ie 20% of 86%.
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And the overrepresentation of British-born minorities is due to historical inequality (and probably due to the attitudes of people like you). As I explained.
Pete Winstanley
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2:46pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Super steve wrote:Steve – if you read my previous letter properly, you will see that I describe the reasons for so-called “ghettoisation” as “complex” but “primarily economic.” You can’t do justice to a complex issue in a 200-word letter, but I did acknowledge that there are those who do not wish to live next door to people of another race. Fortunately, such people are in a minority these days.
White people are indeed becoming endangered species in many areas, Indeed according to the BBC White people are a minority in 5 London Boroughs already with more joining them within 10 years. Areas of Birmingham and West Yorks are almost totally devoid of white people. Even the Liberal left wing lovvies at the Guardian acknowledge the major issue of WHITE FLIGHT.
In any case, to describe what is going on as “ethnic cleansing” – meaning the violent removal by one ethnic group of other ethnic groups from the population – is not just wrong and alarmist, it is an insult to those who have suffered real ethnic cleansing, e.g. in former Yugoslavia.
When were you last in Birmingham, Steve? A survey for the Barrow Cadbury Trust in 2008 found that:
“Three-quarters of 18 to 24 year olds and four-in-five 25 to 34 year olds believe
Birmingham’s different ethnic groups enjoy good relations. Generally, there are positive
opinions across the board toward integration in Birmingham, although attitudes become
less positive when looking at the older generation groups.
Among younger groups not having friends from different backgrounds is virtually
unknown. Less than 2% of people under 25 do not have friends from different
backgrounds, three-quarters mix with people from other backgrounds on a daily basis and a further 10 per cent do so once a week.”
See:
http://www.bctrust.o
rg.uk/pdf/Beyond_Pan
cakes_and_Popadoms.p
df
chriswhite
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2:47pm Mon 8 Feb 10
chriswhite
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2:48pm Mon 8 Feb 10
J.Moffatt
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4:16pm Mon 8 Feb 10
chriswhite
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4:21pm Mon 8 Feb 10
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But positive discrimination? Do you have any evidence of that?
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And it's still unwise to make inferences about a group from the behaviour of one individual.
Adam Walker
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11:11pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Colin Wood
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10:13am Tue 9 Feb 10
Pete Winstanley
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10:36am Tue 9 Feb 10
My post about Birmingham (above) was in response to super steve’s comments about “white flight” and Molloy’s about tribalism and ethnic cleansing.
I have not said that you hate anyone, I have said that you are a member of a racist, neo-Nazi party, which is opposed to any form of integration between different ethnic groups, opposes mixed-race marriage, and seeks, through racially discriminatory policies, to persuade as many non-whites as possible to leave the country. That the policies and constitution of the BNP are divisive and racist is surely beyond dispute. And I will not enter into yet another silly argument with you about dictionary definitions.
I have no idea why anyone of an ethnic minority background would want to be your friend – you’ll have to ask them. Maybe they are as Islamophobic as you are. Maybe you are just talking about people you happen to know who either don’t know that you are a BNP activist, or don’t know what the BNP stands for. Or maybe they feel sorry for you.
Adam Walker
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5:58pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Pete Winstanley
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6:55pm Tue 9 Feb 10
"Listen to the fool's reproach! it is a kingly title!"
Super steve
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8:21pm Tue 9 Feb 10
chriswhite wrote:Let us not forget that as places like Bradford and Halifax have become ever more asiatic the end result has been a huge increase in Muslim extremism and fundamentalism, not to mention producing terorists in copious amounts ( 2000 being watched according to the BBC)
Steve, why does the ethnic makeup of an area actually matter? Why is it any more important than, say, the number of gingers that live in a particular place? . The fact that these people are ethnic minorities tells you absolutely nothing else about them.
It matters when it comes to community cohesion, especially when left wing lovvies wish to pander to ethnic minorities.
The lefties screamed RACISM in east London when it was suggested that housing be set aside for white east enders to secure the community abnd family ties. Yet those same lefties a few yeatrs further on starting saying housing in the East End of London should now be set aside for Somali families so THEY can maintain cultural and family cohesion.
One fact simply unavoidable is the comment by the Former Metrolpitian Commisioner of Police that in London areas with high numbers of black people crime is much higher. Indeed he commented that over 90% of street crime was being carried out by kids of ethnic origin ( that started the left screaming racism yet again).
It would have been bad enough/ tragic enough if these packs of ethnic thugs were tyargetting their own communities but the sad fact was most of the crime usually steaming, happy slapping, street robery, mugging etc was directed at whites and asian commutors and tourists.
Entire wards and estates have become completewly no go areas for many white people because the migrant population is not only dominant and numerous but often extremely hostile to white Britons.
It matters a great deal.
chriswhite
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9:24pm Tue 9 Feb 10
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As for no-go areas for whites, that was in the news recently and subsequently proven to be complete rubbish. I'm typing this from a predominantly BME part of London and never have any bother at all.
Adam Walker
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8:46am Wed 10 Feb 10
Super steve
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5:23pm Sat 13 Feb 10
Labour like the pro diversity pro multi culturalists lied and decieved us for their own political ends.
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1249797/Labour-threw
-open-doors-mass-mig
ration-secret-plot-m
ake-multicultural-UK
.html
Super steve
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5:26pm Sat 13 Feb 10
chriswhite
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2:03pm Sun 14 Feb 10
David Lacey
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9:19am Mon 15 Feb 10
Irrespective of the source of Steve's information we now know that it is true.
Super steve
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9:57am Mon 15 Feb 10
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Super steve says...
12:27pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Even the Liberal left wing lovvies at the Guardian acknowledge the major issue of WHITE FLIGHT.