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Homosexuality
9:53am Friday 10th July 2009 in
DAVID Cameron has taken it upon himself to apologise on behalf of the Conservative Party for various Thatcher government policies since becoming leader (privatising the railways and joining the Common Market are, sadly, not among them).
However, it is his apology for Section 28 I find most self-indulgent. Section 28, which prevented local authorities (therefore schools, libraries and social services) from promoting pro-homosexual material at public expense, was repealed five or six years ago now.
In my opinion, this may prove to be the “slippery slope” where it then becomes illegal not to promote homosexuality, and there may even follow discrimination against teachers who do not wish to promote it.
I have always supported equality for homosexuals, in terms of employment, pensions and civil partnerships, for example. However, in terms of same sex adoption and actively promoting homosexuality in our schools, I have always been opposed.
I do not oppose legitimate discussion on the issue in our schools (hateful and hurtful homophobia should not be tolerated). I do oppose subjecting children to adult issues.
Raising heterosexual awareness among the impressionable did not work in view of the increases in teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases; promoting homosexuality is just as absurd.
Des More, Darlington.
Comments(95)
Edmondsley
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11:33am Fri 10 Jul 09
CTRILEY
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12:02pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Mark Walker
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12:12pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Have you got any questions for Local MP (from Nottingham)Helen Goodman at her surgery in Tudhoe Community Centre at 5pm?
I have!
Say if you need a lift.
David Lacey
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12:18pm Fri 10 Jul 09
David Lacey
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12:18pm Fri 10 Jul 09
David Lacey
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12:18pm Fri 10 Jul 09
J.Moffatt
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12:18pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite
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12:18pm Fri 10 Jul 09
CTRILEY
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12:24pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Mark Walker wrote:Don't need it as I life only a short walk from the centre.
CT, Have you got any questions for Local MP (from Nottingham)Helen Goodman at her surgery in Tudhoe Community Centre at 5pm? I have! Say if you need a lift.
chriswhite
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12:24pm Fri 10 Jul 09
"As a Christian I can only quote the Bible which correctly describes homosexuality as an abomination."
And as someone inclined to read books slightly less old, I can only quote Sam Harris: You really think the creator of the universe is viscerally offended by something that people do while naked?
Mark Walker
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12:25pm Fri 10 Jul 09
But you say our policies disgust you? This is such a policy! Decent common sense -just like the rest!
Chris,
Derbyshire, Nottingham- Not here like us!
chriswhite
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12:27pm Fri 10 Jul 09
But given that your lot might one day be kicking people out the country based on where they come from you would do well to get it right.
Mark Walker
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12:31pm Fri 10 Jul 09
She has lived in both places- ask her , after all, she works for YOU!
chriswhite
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12:36pm Fri 10 Jul 09
I apologise, yes -- she was born in Nottingham. Mind you, I was born in Bishop but I'm still "from" Spennymoor.
She grew up in Derbyshire (which I keep typing as Derbyshite...) and went to school in Bakewell
Mark Walker
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12:45pm Fri 10 Jul 09
She went to school!!??
Well I suppose someone must have taught her how to fiddle expenses sheets!
CTRILEY
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12:52pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite wrote:So what when I asked her about her plans for Bishop Auckland I couldn't shut her up. When I asked her about what she would do to bring jobs to Spennymoor or to provided better facilities, you didn't have to be genius to realise she doesn't care.
Sorry Mark -- that was intended to be tongue-in-cheek; doesn't come across that well online. I apologise, yes -- she was born in Nottingham. Mind you, I was born in Bishop but I'm still "from" Spennymoor. She grew up in Derbyshire (which I keep typing as Derbyshite...) and went to school in Bakewell
In fact she is part of the team whose vision for Spennymoor is to turn it into a town where people live but work and entertain elsewhere.
As one Council official told me "other than fight to try and save the hospital, she has done nothing for this town".
Because the only people who care about the future of Spennymoor are those from Spennymoor.
Mark Walker
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1:03pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Not Derbyshire or Nottingham!
But sadly they'll still vote for her.
Or will they?...
chriswhite
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1:12pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Personally I think it's because Bishop is the larger part of the constituency so more votes come from there, and between that and the tendency of a large part of the electorate to instinctively vote for the red team, she doesn't have to care about Spennymoor.
Actually I think the idea of regional constituencies for the house of commons is pretty silly, but that's another matter entirely.
And we've gotten properly off-topic. My badness.
CTRILEY
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1:13pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Mark Walker wrote:Rumour is she's from Raxacoricofallapator
Yup CT, Not Derbyshire or Nottingham! But sadly they'll still vote for her. Or will they?...
ius. In fact that's not her real name, does this ring a bell?:
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CTRILEY
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1:28pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite wrote:Good point but if people elect someone to office, that MPs duty is towards the interests of everyone with their constituency, not those who voted for her or those towns which provide the larger vote.
CT-- By the same logic the only people caring about Bishop Auckland would be from Bishop Auckland. Personally I think it's because Bishop is the larger part of the constituency so more votes come from there, and between that and the tendency of a large part of the electorate to instinctively vote for the red team, she doesn't have to care about Spennymoor. Actually I think the idea of regional constituencies for the house of commons is pretty silly, but that's another matter entirely. And we've gotten properly off-topic. My badness.
chriswhite
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1:47pm Fri 10 Jul 09
In practice they're always going to concentrate on where they're getting the most votes from. Never mind that fact that all the consitutents whose views aren't New Labour are effectively unrepresented anyway.
Regional consituencies to house of lords, party-list system for commons.
chriswhite
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1:48pm Fri 10 Jul 09
And what does "promotion of homosexuality" mean anyway?!
Super steve
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2:14pm Fri 10 Jul 09
1 Take us further into the EU
2 Free Mangelwurzels for everyone
3 Raise taxes
4 Make homosexuality compulsory for all
Super steve
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2:21pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite wrote:It means continuing to try and brain wash society into believing homosexuality is both normal and acceptable, when it clearly is neither.
Back on topic, Des's "slippery slope" is a preposterous straw man. And what does "promotion of homosexuality" mean anyway?!
But thanks to modern society objecting to those beliefs means you no longer deemed a good god fearing Anglican, just a homophobe!!! and being a proud north european Briton wanting to preserve his island nations culture simply means your a racist !!!
chriswhite
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2:28pm Fri 10 Jul 09
"Acceptable" -- What you're effectively saying is that because you personally happen to find the private consensual behaviour of adults to be distasteful, that they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
You'd condemn countless people to lifetimes of misery to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of you and all the others who have this weird obsession with other people's sex lives.
I mean ffs, didn't you people read Romeo and Juliet in school?
Super steve
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2:29pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Super steve
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2:33pm Fri 10 Jul 09
CTRILEY
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4:13pm Fri 10 Jul 09
When they are old enough (i.e. in their teens) they should be taught about the use of condoms to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancies.
But most of all they should be taught about relationships and responsibility.
So if someone things there man enough to get their girlfriend pregnant, they should be man enough to marry her and provide for their children.
Because the majority of MPS like the majority of teachers have no life experience outside of the academic world. So they think and act in simple terms of black and white, but life is shades of grey.
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The default sex for all mammals, including humans, is female. It is merely the introduction of the correct hormones 6 weeks into the pregnancy which turns a female into a male. Equally there’s a difference between the sex of the body and the sex of the brain. The levels of hormone produced by the mother during pregnancy are affected by bio-chemicals absorbed during pregnancy.
Depending on the levels of hormone produced for the body determines if that child
will be born male, female or an hermaphrodite. If the correct proportions are produced then the child will be born heterosexual. If no male hormone is produced then the body goes to the default sex and the child is born physically female but with male chromosomes.
Incorrect hormone proportions lead to homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality and transvestism, in which the body is one sex but parts of the brain are of the opposite sex. The inverse of which can lead to effeminate men and masculine women. Transexuallity is where the body is 100% one sex and the brain 100% of the other. Whilst influence on others levels can lead to people who are born one sex but which to become both (transgender) or neither, gender neutral.
So the whole sexuality thing isn’t as simple as it may first seem.
Super steve
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4:36pm Fri 10 Jul 09
J.Moffatt
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4:51pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite
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6:07pm Fri 10 Jul 09
"I think the original guidance in books like the Bible and Quoran should be adhered to."
Yeah! Let's start stoning people to death for collecting sticks on a Sunday!
chriswhite
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6:08pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Mark Walker
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6:30pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Mark Walker
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6:41pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Democracy???
CTRILEY
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7:07pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Super steve wrote:Although the first five books of the Torah/Bible are credited to Moses they weren't written by him. As the Torah didn't start to take place until after the enslavement of the Isrealites in Babylon.
Hey we have had 45 years of Liberal attitudes towards sex, sexual deviancy, contraception, sex education and ever declining levels of morality, look at the mess we are now in. I think the original guidance in books like the Bible and Quoran should be adhered to. IE at least simply abstain from sexual activity until adult enough and financially stable enough to accept the responsibilitys that goes with it.
Genesis begins with references to the seven generations of the Babylonian Gods (this is reflected by the fact that Genesis 1:26 is written in the plural not the singular). Here there were also introduced to the story of Adam and Lilith which became Adam and Eve, and is based upon events within the 4000 BC when people made on of the first attempts at civilisation. The Babylonian myth of Uta-Napishtim became the Noah and the flood, and is based upon the memory of the breaking of the Bosporus portal in 5500 BC. Whlst the Tower of Babel is based upon the great temple towers built in the precincts of Eridu and Uruk during the late Uruk period of 2900 BC.
Whilst the Jewish faith itself was heavily influenced by the monotheology of Atenism.This is reflected by the Hebrew word `Adonai' meaning `My Lord' and when the pronoun `ai' (meaning `my or `mine') is removed the word remaining is `Adon' meaning `Lord'. When translating between Pharaohic Egyptian and Ancient Hebrew the Egyptian `t' becomes `d' and `e' becomes `o', making `Adon' the Hebrew word for `Aten'.
The original guidance, Please!!!!!!
CTRILEY
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7:09pm Fri 10 Jul 09
J.Moffatt wrote:Well actually it makes perfect sense if you've been educated beyond school level.
Having read CT Rileys last comment,he must surely be in for an award for talking gibberish.
Mark Walker
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7:25pm Fri 10 Jul 09
CTRILEY wrote:I was just going to say that CT!
Super steve wrote: Hey we have had 45 years of Liberal attitudes towards sex, sexual deviancy, contraception, sex education and ever declining levels of morality, look at the mess we are now in. I think the original guidance in books like the Bible and Quoran should be adhered to. IE at least simply abstain from sexual activity until adult enough and financially stable enough to accept the responsibilitys that goes with it.Although the first five books of the Torah/Bible are credited to Moses they weren't written by him. As the Torah didn't start to take place until after the enslavement of the Isrealites in Babylon. Genesis begins with references to the seven generations of the Babylonian Gods (this is reflected by the fact that Genesis 1:26 is written in the plural not the singular). Here there were also introduced to the story of Adam and Lilith which became Adam and Eve, and is based upon events within the 4000 BC when people made on of the first attempts at civilisation. The Babylonian myth of Uta-Napishtim became the Noah and the flood, and is based upon the memory of the breaking of the Bosporus portal in 5500 BC. Whlst the Tower of Babel is based upon the great temple towers built in the precincts of Eridu and Uruk during the late Uruk period of 2900 BC. Whilst the Jewish faith itself was heavily influenced by the monotheology of Atenism.This is reflected by the Hebrew word `Adonai' meaning `My Lord' and when the pronoun `ai' (meaning `my or `mine') is removed the word remaining is `Adon' meaning `Lord'. When translating between Pharaohic Egyptian and Ancient Hebrew the Egyptian `t' becomes `d' and `e' becomes `o', making `Adon' the Hebrew word for `Aten'. The original guidance, Please!!!!!!
CTRILEY
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8:32pm Fri 10 Jul 09
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This is the shocking truth about the Apple Tree in Genesis:
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This is the shocking truth about who the theory of relatively came to Einstein
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Super steve
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9:22pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite wrote:if one is a decent god fearing person one simply does not need a commandment forbidding rape because if you were raised half decently you would never ever consider such an act.
Oh, and a book that has 613 commandments but not one of them forbiddind rape is not one I would recommend turning to for guidance on "sexual morals"...
Mark Walker
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9:27pm Fri 10 Jul 09
I like your work.
We need to have a chat.
Contact me.
Super steve
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9:28pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite wrote:Hang on a second, it is not us mainstream hetrosexual normal people who are obssessed with other peoples sex lives, its the homoseaxual community who keep trying time after time by all sorts of often sordid means to tell us homoseaxuality is acceptable. Jeez I mean you dont see ordinary people have Straight Sex Parades, or Straight pride events, Straight nights in nioght clubs. it is the homosexuyual community trying to ram acceptance of their sexual tendancies onto our value system.
"Normal" -- it is: it's found in many, many species and is thought to play an important role in evolution. "Acceptable" -- What you're effectively saying is that because you personally happen to find the private consensual behaviour of adults to be distasteful, that they shouldn't be allowed to do it. You'd condemn countless people to lifetimes of misery to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of you and all the others who have this weird obsession with other people's sex lives. I mean ffs, didn't you people read Romeo and Juliet in school?
Romeo and Juliet??, surely in this day and age its Romeo and Romeo cos Juliet is off working in a battered wives hostel somewhere.
chriswhite
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10:28pm Fri 10 Jul 09
"if one is a decent god fearing person one simply does not need a commandment forbidding rape because if you were raised half decently you would never ever consider such an act."
Then all the various other commandments against murder, theft and suchlike should be equally unnecessary, no?
chriswhite
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10:35pm Fri 10 Jul 09
"Hang on a second, it is not us mainstream hetrosexual normal people who are obssessed with other peoples sex lives, its the homoseaxual community who keep trying time after time by all sorts of often sordid means to tell us homoseaxuality is acceptable. Jeez I mean you dont see ordinary people have Straight Sex Parades, or Straight pride events, Straight nights in nioght clubs. it is the homosexuyual community trying to ram acceptance of their sexual tendancies onto our value system."
I don't really grasp the gay pride thing either to be fair. If I were that way inclined I'd just tell people to p1ss off and mind their own business.
The point about Romeo and Juliet was that it parallels many people's attitude to same-sex relationships. Two people begin miserable and wind up dead just because "society" disapproves of their relationship.
Your preference not to be offended by the existence of same-sex relationships does not -- ever -- trump the right of people to live how they choose, where it harms nobody else.
'Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', they'd say in a civilised country.
Des More
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10:53pm Fri 10 Jul 09
I will also state, strongly, my letter was in no way intended to question those who practice homosexuality.
My nephew and namesake, is openly homosexual, I am confident that he would be the first to come to my defence if any insinuation of homophobia was offered.
My point on the “slippery slope” is not as “preposterous” as Chris White imagines, or chooses to imagine, The “promotion of homosexuality?,
That is why I why I made the point Chris, section 28 was brought in, solely because there was evidence that some “looney” Left wing councils were actively “promoting” homosexuality in schools, FACT!
I am on a no winner with the deluded Left am I?
They are no longer a relevance since the collapse of collectivism so they simply oppose any and every point those who disagree with them wants too make.
Look at any election and you will see that nobody is listening, even the “great” Arthur Scargil cannot muster a credible vote under the red flag of socialism, so they demonise the opposition, be it Tory, Unionist or BNP instead.
They don’t want democracy, they want their ideology imposed on the will of ingrates who should know better, which is why they defend murderous scum like Castro but state, straight faced, that Thatcher is the demon.
They are a minority, but they have the lot, Civil Service, local governments, health service, education, you name it, the Left have infiltrated it.
I have said it before, I will say it again. If you are not with them on every dot of their failed ideology, you are not to be considered mistaken or worthy of debate, their minds are made up, they are already right.
I am considered wrong if I point out flaws in Labour and now I am wrong for thinking, I will not vote for Cameron just because I despise Gordon Brown, (I always “liked” Blair), in-between times I am just “Right“
Anyway, I am off to Spain were I will debate the ownership of Gibraltar, or simply enjoy a week away from Blair/Brown Britain.
CTRILEY
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10:57pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Whilst other commandments within the Bible and the Quran, began as tribal laws turned into religious commandments written to suit the needs for the survival and running of a nomadic tribe.
Homosexuality prevents procreation and thus the survival of a tribe. Many minor crimes are punished by death because a nomadic tribe has no means to imprison someone who commits a crime.
As for normal. We use money to pay for things. We eat food cooked by machines. We live in buildings, lit by electricity from power stations. We sit at our computer sending out views into cyberspace.
We are entertained via machines which receive transmitted radio and satiability signals. Or from pieces of plastic read by a tiny laser.
As a species there's nothing normal any of this? If the human race acted as nature intended we'd all still be naked hunter gatherers.
If this is the will of God, then quite frankly most of you are missing the point. Theology is not the end of enlightenment but merely a first step. Enlightenment comes form thinking way outside the theological box and asking questions others daren’t.
But Steve also makes a good point in that if the gay community want acceptance they shouldn't try and force acceptance onto others. As with all things this only produces the opposite effect.
chriswhite
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11:07pm Fri 10 Jul 09
chriswhite
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11:11pm Fri 10 Jul 09
dan29
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1:22am Sat 11 Jul 09
isabel04
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9:24am Sat 11 Jul 09
Pete Winstanley
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10:09am Sat 11 Jul 09
Like Des, I have a nephew who is gay, I know a few other gay people, and I’m sure of one thing: being gay is not a “lifestyle choice,” it is just how some people are. It is not, as Steve believes, unnatural, perverted or sinful. To put it in a way that some of you so-called Christians might understand, God made most people heterosexual, but a few homosexual.
Steve points out that there are no “straight pride” marches. Of course there aren’t – heterosexuals are not a persecuted minority. Gay pride events take place because some gay people want to stand up publicly in the face of hostility and prejudice and say, “We are who we are, we are not ashamed, and we will not be victimised.” Without the widespread hostility towards gay people, there would be no need for gay pride marches.
As for clause 28, David Cameron wasright. It is clear that children need to learn that prejudice or hostility towards people on account of their sexuality is no more acceptable than racism. With luck, the next generation may grow up without the dreadful homophobia which evidently afflicts the likes of J Moffatt and Steve.
Perhaps some of you are parents. Suppose one of your children turned out to be gay – how would you feel if your own son or daughter was the subject of the remarks you have made? Or of your Bible-bashing condemnations?
HESMITH
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2:30pm Sat 11 Jul 09
David Lacey
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4:46pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Colin Wood
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10:02pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Trouble is the more freedom they get the worse they get, fights and veneral disease are common place round Darlingtons Gay night every Monday.
I personally think the rainbow flag that flies over the Town Hall should be taken down and burnt.
Colin Wood
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10:43pm Sat 11 Jul 09
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10:52pm Sat 11 Jul 09
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isabel04
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10:54pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Colin Wood
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11:23pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Des More told me about the gays provoking fights on a Monday night.
CTRILEY
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2:14am Sun 12 Jul 09
AIDS and other STDs continue to spread amongst hetrosexuals because people think only certain types of people can get infected.
As for your comments about Pete, if he sued you for libel you'd deserve it.
Those who have nothing against gays do so because they are secure within their hetrosexuality.
Some oppose homosexuality simple upon the principle of religious belief, whilst others do it because they aren't sure of their own sexuality.
I'm a hetrosexual man, so I've no reason to know where the nearest gay clubs are, what goes on in there nor do I need to know the internet addresses of gay advice sites.
Colin Wood
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7:37am Sun 12 Jul 09
Link proves my point if you read gadd paper includes evidence the rainbow flag flies over our Town Hall when the beautiful St George Cross should, the gays are strongly into AIDS awareness campaigns and there is cooperation between the police and Gay community to get more people arrested on a Monday night.
The question is CTRILEY in your loony left mind are you trying to turn it into a crime because a Heterosexual wrote post?
Another thing I would like to know is do you think getting involved in Marks family guy games are healthy or are you taking the pea out of him?
Super steve
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10:13am Sun 12 Jul 09
isabel04 wrote:You must remember and accept that the HIV pandemic was caused in general by the activities of the homosexual community, especially in California. Even AFTER HIV had been identified many gays in California continued to practise unsafe sex. Then when via Bisexuals and gays selling blood to hospitals spread this aweful disease to the hetrosexual community. It was the gay community that spread HIV globally first, then by selling infected blood past it onto the Haemaphiliacs then the rest of society. You accuse the other chap of ignorance but omit to point out that the higher transmission of STD among hetrosexuals is normal because hetrosexuals outnumber gays by 10 to 1. I can remember watching editions of the US TV news prog 24 Hours years ago when gays thought HIV was a government plot against homosexuality and they in great numbers refused to use condoms or stop having lots of one night stands. You are trying to distort the sad but unpleasant true about the spread of HIV.
What an ignorant little man you are Colin. Why not take a look at some actual statistics from the department of health and other reputable sources then add a comment. Sexual transmitted disease and infections are much more common in hetrosexual relationships and are rising rapidly, and generally the gay men that I know are the ones who are vigilant about contraception. Where did you get your information about the fights that take place on a Monday night may I ask? Are the levels of violent crime significantly higher than on another week day? Why dont you answer Petes question? How would you react if you found out that your son or daughter were in a same sex relationship and were vilified by homophobes like yourself? Your comments are really offensive and harmful. In the past, I worked with a very troubled teenager who killed himself as he could neither bring himself to tell his family he was gay or live a lie. Your comments could be read by someone as vulnerable as him. And p.s, dont believe everything read, look at a variety of sources if you want to be truly informed, otherwise Im afraid you look a tad foolish.
Super steve
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10:20am Sun 12 Jul 09
CTRILEY wrote:No sir I believe you are wrong. The outbreak of this tragic disease originated in the gay communitty of Los Angeles and San Franciso, it first spread to the hetro sexual community via Bisexual activity and primarily with gay men selling blood to hospitals ( innocently as most had no idea they were infected) This caused the spike of HIV in Haemaphiliacs in the short term, then the wave of hiv spreading into the hetrosexual community.
Although AIDS became well known when it struck the gay community the early 80's it began an amongst hetrosexuals and spread partly because of religious doctrine which bans people using condomns and becuase of their ignorance. AIDS and other STDs continue to spread amongst hetrosexuals because people think only certain types of people can get infected. As for your comments about Pete, if he sued you for libel you'd deserve it. Those who have nothing against gays do so because they are secure within their hetrosexuality. Some oppose homosexuality simple upon the principle of religious belief, whilst others do it because they aren't sure of their own sexuality. I'm a hetrosexual man, so I've no reason to know where the nearest gay clubs are, what goes on in there nor do I need to know the internet addresses of gay advice sites.
Super steve
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10:23am Sun 12 Jul 09
Colin Wood wrote:Good Grief Sir that is totally out of order, Why do you want to make such a nasty and unfounded remark ?
You are mistaken with your statistics 96% of people want their children to look like themselves or their partner.I am not speaking to Pete because he sits in parks watching children play. Des More told me about the gays provoking fights on a Monday night.
The truth is a good enough tool to destroy the politicaly correct left wing crap spouted by excusers and apologists, But to make comments like that is utterly WRONG.
Super steve
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10:34am Sun 12 Jul 09
Charles Hawtry one of my favourite comedy actors was once asked if he had ever had sex with a woman he replied " No but I'm sure it is very nice but it cant be as nice as the real thing" !!!
Some of my greatest heros were Gay like TE Lawrence and Alexander the Great, its how people live their lives and what they contribute to society, I've never read of any great homosexual or hetrosexual campaigning to promote their sexuality.
isabel04
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10:51am Sun 12 Jul 09
Colin Wood
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10:59am Sun 12 Jul 09
Super steve wrote:That is the truth not nastiness.
Colin Wood wrote: You are mistaken with your statistics 96% of people want their children to look like themselves or their partner.I am not speaking to Pete because he sits in parks watching children play. Des More told me about the gays provoking fights on a Monday night.Good Grief Sir that is totally out of order, Why do you want to make such a nasty and unfounded remark ? The truth is a good enough tool to destroy the politicaly correct left wing crap spouted by excusers and apologists, But to make comments like that is utterly WRONG.
Super steve
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10:59am Sun 12 Jul 09
isabel04 wrote:Now that is the best and most sensible post in this thread.
AVERT.org is a good up to date source of information. This gives information on levels of AIDS and HIV for both homosexuals, heterosexuals, drug users, and children born to mothers who are infected.
CTRILEY
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11:29am Sun 12 Jul 09
Colin Wood wrote:Colin, regardless of someone’s sexual orientation people should be strongly involved in raising awareness of AIDS other STDs, and drug abuse which can also act as a means of transmission. Because AIDS kills, whilst STDs, drug and alcohol abuse not only effects peoples health, but can be passed onto children during pregnancy. Causing children to be born HIV positive, with drug addictions, physical or mental disabilities. As for the violence, I’d ask myself if the violence is because they’re gay, the result of attacks on them by anti-gays, or as I suspect the direct result of binge drinking?
How can Pete bring a libel case when it was him who wrote it about the children of Brixton? Link proves my point if you read gadd paper includes evidence the rainbow flag flies over our Town Hall when the beautiful St George Cross should, the gays are strongly into AIDS awareness campaigns and there is cooperation between the police and Gay community to get more people arrested on a Monday night. The question is CTRILEY in your loony left mind are you trying to turn it into a crime because a Heterosexual wrote post? Another thing I would like to know is do you think getting involved in Marks family guy games are healthy or are you taking the pea out of him?
I'm not taking the pea out of Mark. Why would I want to? The reference to these video clips was in direct reference to the Bible, in which no reference to Mark is made. Whilst video references prior to this are largely about having digs at people which Mark and myself both know. In fact yesterday when I spoke to Mark and his brother Adam, he made it clear that he found my comments and references funny, so in effect they’re a private joke between friends. Equally if I had anything against Mark or his brother Adam not only would I have no dealings with them, but I’d use HAS to attack them and their party. Whilst I’d cease attacking the actions and policies of the national and local Government (which I’ve done long before anyone had heard of the Walker brothers), as this would be counter productive.
I used to be what some would describe as “Looney Left”, because I’m willing to give the alternative viewpoint which others don’t want to hear. I’m willing to listen to what others have to say, I get to know them and judge purely upon their qualities as individuals, not upon their race, creed, colour or sexual orientation, which is not only why I’ve friends on the political Left, Right and Centre.
CTRILEY
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11:39am Sun 12 Jul 09
Super steve wrote:Steve although you are right in what you say. But the conext in which I wrote it was to make reference to the fact that AIDS began in Africa where it and spread amongst hetrosexuals.
CTRILEY wrote: Although AIDS became well known when it struck the gay community the early 80's it began an amongst hetrosexuals and spread partly because of religious doctrine which bans people using condomns and becuase of their ignorance. AIDS and other STDs continue to spread amongst hetrosexuals because people think only certain types of people can get infected. As for your comments about Pete, if he sued you for libel you'd deserve it. Those who have nothing against gays do so because they are secure within their hetrosexuality. Some oppose homosexuality simple upon the principle of religious belief, whilst others do it because they aren't sure of their own sexuality. I'm a hetrosexual man, so I've no reason to know where the nearest gay clubs are, what goes on in there nor do I need to know the internet addresses of gay advice sites.No sir I believe you are wrong. The outbreak of this tragic disease originated in the gay communitty of Los Angeles and San Franciso, it first spread to the hetro sexual community via Bisexual activity and primarily with gay men selling blood to hospitals ( innocently as most had no idea they were infected) This caused the spike of HIV in Haemaphiliacs in the short term, then the wave of hiv spreading into the hetrosexual community.
But was taken by abisexual to the USA it spread through the gay coommunity of LA and then onto bisexuals and hetrosexuals.
So we're both right.
Colin Wood
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12:40pm Sun 12 Jul 09
They also announced muggins outside the stadium in Johannesburg cannot be investigated.
20,000 had AIDS in Africa before Mandela got out of prison, whites did not mix with the people who had the virus until it reached the USA.
Pete Winstanley
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12:52pm Sun 12 Jul 09
Some time ago, I mentioned in HAS that I had been sitting in a park in Brixton waiting for my car to be repaired. I noticed that black and white children played happily together while their parents, black and white, chatted nearby, and that I had seen mixed-race couples, one black parent, one white, with brown-skinned children. I mentioned this in the context of the BNP doctrine of “racial separatism” – the belief that people of different races cannot, and should not, co-exist in peace.
It is presumably because I detest that doctrine, and because he does not wish to confront his own racism and homophobia, that Mr Wood does not wish to speak to me. I have no wish to speak to a nasty piece of work like him either.
For the record, I am heterosexual and a father of two daughters.
Colin Wood
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1:18pm Sun 12 Jul 09
I do hope your children are not obsessed by this Trotsky inspired 'racism' as you are.
Colin Wood
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1:59pm Sun 12 Jul 09
CTRILEY
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4:36pm Sun 12 Jul 09
Colin Wood wrote:Blacks and whites may not have mixed within South African until Mandela was released. But South Africa is one country of 53 which form the continent of Africa.
Think there is wildcat strikes in South Africa at the minute that will probably mean the world cup stadiums are not built on time, the problem FIFA has been employing illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe etc for £3. They also announced muggins outside the stadium in Johannesburg cannot be investigated. 20,000 had AIDS in Africa before Mandela got out of prison, whites did not mix with the people who had the virus until it reached the USA.
Equally the references I've found on the origins of AIDS virus state it originated with primates in the
African sub-Saharan and was transferred to humans during the late 19th or early 20th century. For example
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Origin_of_a
ids
CTRILEY
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4:48pm Sun 12 Jul 09
Pete Winstanley
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6:12pm Sun 12 Jul 09
It wasn't the truth. It was a deliberate distortion of the truth, and a malicious and unfounded insinuation. But a suppose for him, that counts as "the truth."
What does that tell you about him? Is it really worth debating with his sort?
CTRILEY
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6:48pm Sun 12 Jul 09
Pete Winstanley wrote:I totally agree with you Pete.
With regard to his nasty remark, Wood wrote, "That is the truth not nastiness." It wasn't the truth. It was a deliberate distortion of the truth, and a malicious and unfounded insinuation. But a suppose for him, that counts as "the truth." What does that tell you about him? Is it really worth debating with his sort?
But what is tells me is that Colin needs to take a real good look at himself.
isabel04
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7:14pm Sun 12 Jul 09
Dean M
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10:28pm Sun 12 Jul 09
STDs have been around for ever and AIDs is another one, albeit much more dangerous. However, diseases that afflict certain sections, or all, of society is a totally separate issue to the morality question of homosexuality.
Homosexuality, like STDs, has also been around around for ever. I also do not believe it is a lifestyle choice but a genetic thing.
What two consenting adults do in private, provided it causes no harm to anyone else, is their own business - no-one elses.
And as soon as some religious nut startes spouting biblical sh*te about the sin of homosexuality then I know their argument is lost.
Insh'allah.
Colin Wood
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2:31pm Mon 13 Jul 09
Support the silent majority and vote British National Party next Thursday in the Whessoe parish election.
We will campaign strongly for CCTV to be put up in all Darlington parks.
Dean M
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3:06pm Mon 13 Jul 09
Colin Wood wrote:Colin,
I am not happy about sticking minorities sexual activity on yet another Darlington election. Support the silent majority and vote British National Party next Thursday in the Whessoe parish election. We will campaign strongly for CCTV to be put up in all Darlington parks.
Does this mean (I could Google it and find an official answer but I thought I'd ask you) that the BNP will not condemn or legislate against any adult on the basis of their sexual orientation?
Colin Wood
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5:39pm Mon 13 Jul 09
Better family orientated stories will be on Emmerdale Farm, 7/7 will be more important than paedophile pop stars dying,democracy and elections will definitely be more important in the press than Obama fever and sex accusations etc, etc
Dean M
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6:38pm Mon 13 Jul 09
Also, I've never seriously considered voting BNP before, but if you stand for better family-orientated stories on Emmerdale Farm then that is a major step forward for this country. Well done!
Colin Wood
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9:02pm Mon 13 Jul 09
isabel04
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7:11am Tue 14 Jul 09
Your comment made me consider CTRILEY's quote- 'Those who have nothing against gays do so because they are secure within their heterosexuality. Some oppose homosexuality simply upon the principle of religious belief, whilst others do it because they aren't sure of their own sexuality'.
Maybe time for some reflective thought I think.
Colin Wood
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11:39am Tue 14 Jul 09
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Kw
Colin Wood
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11:47am Tue 14 Jul 09
True, so why have the police done nothing about it?
I was expecting someone to tell me toilets have been demolished as I am going back a couple of years before there was pride nights etc, does it still go on there?
isabel04
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11:57am Tue 14 Jul 09
HESMITH
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12:20pm Tue 14 Jul 09
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=VZ2d3h_Tg
U0&feature=related
Colin Wood
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1:37pm Tue 14 Jul 09
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=GPgm69pMR
UU&feature=PlayList&
p=9798EFD813658144&p
laynext=1&playnext_f
rom=PL&index=43
HESMITH
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2:08pm Tue 14 Jul 09
Colin Wood wrote:In English?
Too bad my security word was form-yeah.lol http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=GPgm69pMR UU&feature=PlayL
ist& p=9798EFD813658144&a
mp;p laynext=1&playne
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Colin you're so deep in the closet you're in Narnia.
isabel04
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2:27pm Tue 14 Jul 09
Super steve
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4:17pm Tue 14 Jul 09
Colin Wood
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3:14pm Wed 15 Jul 09
HESMITH wrote:I see your arsehole is getting plenty of action talking this crap.
Colin Wood wrote: Too bad my security word was form-yeah.lol http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=GPgm69pMR UU&feature=PlayL ist& p=9798EFD813658144&aIn English? Colin you're so deep in the closet you're in Narnia.
mp;a mp;p laynext=1&playne xt_f rom=PL&index=43
Why should any business care about Spennymoor when there is not even any accommodation for visitors, cmon first things first, talk about woollybacks.
Colin Wood
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4:40pm Wed 15 Jul 09
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Mark Walker says...
11:04am Fri 10 Jul 09
We are even prohibited from commenting on the said party and this is called 'Hear All Sides'. It should be called Hear Some Sides'!